How is S&W supposed to compete with a price point like this? Even Hi-Point are probably sweating bullets now

How is S&W supposed to compete with a price point like this? Even Hi-Point are probably sweating bullets now

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Well considering how fricking dogshit the sub2k is to use...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The S&W is actually really amazing value. MSRP is $659, so about $300 more, but for that extra money you get;
      >A nice range bag
      >THREE(3) magazines and a really neat mag holder that keeps the extra mags with the gun
      >the gun with all the mags on it unloaded is still under 6 pounds
      >Takes standard M&P handgun mags, which is huge if you already stocked up on them for your also really good M&P pistol
      >much better handguard with more space for accessories
      >Much nicer stock and pistol grip with swappable grip panels
      Just coming with more than 1 mag almost makes it a generous deal these days, but you get a bunch of other shit on top of that and interchangeable mags and parts with one of the most popular handguns. I don't even like the idea of PCCs but even I'm saying "damn, that's nice." If I were interested in a PCC I'd almost definitely get one of these.

      Friendly reminder that unlike S&W the Sub 2000 is COMBAT PROVEN

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We know that it shoots bullets, that's all you ever need to be eligible for such a dogshit achievement

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Good enough for the ukies good enough for me

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Russian claws typed this post, the combat record speaks for itself:

            Kalashnikov<Florida man

            CAN WE NOT BRING UKRAINE INTO EVERY SINGLE FRICKING THREAD YOU wienerSUCKING REDDITBlack person

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Russian claws typed this post, the combat record speaks for itself:

          Kalashnikov<Florida man

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The S&W is actually really amazing value. MSRP is $659, so about $300 more, but for that extra money you get;
    >A nice range bag
    >THREE(3) magazines and a really neat mag holder that keeps the extra mags with the gun
    >the gun with all the mags on it unloaded is still under 6 pounds
    >Takes standard M&P handgun mags, which is huge if you already stocked up on them for your also really good M&P pistol
    >much better handguard with more space for accessories
    >Much nicer stock and pistol grip with swappable grip panels
    Just coming with more than 1 mag almost makes it a generous deal these days, but you get a bunch of other shit on top of that and interchangeable mags and parts with one of the most popular handguns. I don't even like the idea of PCCs but even I'm saying "damn, that's nice." If I were interested in a PCC I'd almost definitely get one of these.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine if Kektec made a 10mm version

      I'm pretty sure I could buy plenty of mags and a range bag for $300

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm pretty sure I could buy plenty of mags and a range bag for $300
        You could, but you'd still be stuck with a shitty kel-tec jam-o-matic. And, again,

        I forgot to mention the Smith FSC has last round bolt hold open. Sub2000 doesn't even have that most basic of features.

        FPC is just a flat out better gun in a much nicer package.xkwnn

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is it so much better than a 9mm ar? For $659 you could even buy a folding stock adaptor, and maybe even one of the special boy's that allow you to shoot with a folded stock.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Are 9mm ARs that cheap? Do they take common mags like glock or m&p mags?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Are 9mm ARs that cheap
              They can be
              https://gun.deals/product/16-9mm-ar-9-rifle-build-kit-31499-code-10off

              >Do they take common mags like glock

              They can if you buy an adapter. I will admit that the adapter isn't cheap tho.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I would argue that most of the AR9s out there these days have a dedicated glock mag lower and dont need the magwell conversion like the earlier cold patterns

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are 9mm ARs that cheap? Do they take common mags like glock or m&p mags?

                3D print the lower or adapter

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They use either glock or Colt SMG straight stick 32 round mags

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            9mm ARs handle poorly because they use standard rifle uppers, they decided to cram a straight blowback bolt in a reciever that wasn't designed for it. As a result they tend to have even more recoil than direct impingement .223/556 rifles. Really the only benefit you're getting from the conversion is a familiar manual of arms and the ergonomics of an AR.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And saving $200-$300

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                but why not just have a normal AR with better ballistics and handling and then buy a S&W FPC that fills the PCC niche like 100x better than a 9mm AR?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because a 9mm AR is cheaper than the s&w and is cheaper to modify and repair.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You spend $250 for the mcarbo trigger and another $150 so you can actually mount an optic on the sub2k. It’s a cheap baseline but the upgrades cost more than the gun.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is the trigger upgrade really necessary?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I put ~200 rounds through my gen1 keltek with the stock trigger/feed ramp and i had 0 malfunctions. I do plan on putting a metal feed ramp in however, eventually.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I forgot to mention the Smith FSC has last round bolt hold open. Sub2000 doesn't even have that most basic of features.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget the other huge advantage, being a side-folder means that unlike the lel-kek you can keep an optic on it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is the one real advantage I think. Like a point you can argue.

        Lrbho is nice but not critical. MP5 guys have done without for decades. Glock mag AR guys are always "getting" theirs to work reliably.

        Quality kind of drops out of the equation when you look at the price tags. As well as a fricking bag and magazines. If anything, keltec appeals to more because they make models with varying magazine compatibility.

        S&W figuring out how to make a sub2k with a usable optic rail is the argument. Do you need a red dot on your balisong 9mm carbine? S&W then. It's a $250 option and let's say $250 for your holosun. Is it worth it? Probably. It's up to you if you want the advantage.

        I always wanted a sub2k for lulz but I keep coming back to the idea that a takedown AR or just a short barreled AR in two sections is roughly as fast to equip and ballistically superior. The sub2k is still not a bad option, but the AR exists.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Buy an ad
      Also nobody cares about gay SW mags lmao

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How is Kel-Tec allowed to be this dangerously based?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kel-Tecs look and feel exactly like those pop gun rifles you got at the state fair for a shitty prize on the midway.
    I honestly would be afraid to drop that plastic piece of crap, let alone shoot it

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it's kind of a shitty gun though. a friend has one and he had some weird issues until he swapped pretty much everything with M Carbo shit and bought a tungsten bolt for it. and you cant mount optics to it, not easily. I like the S&W design much better.

    that said, it's a dream suppressed with the tungsten bolt. we shoot with nods and it sounds like a nailgun

  6. 1 year ago
    MilSurpDude

    By having their product not be a Sub-2k. That alone puts it on top. I don't even know what S&W gun is being discussed here, but it's not a Sub-2k so I know it's better.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Folding Pistol Carbine.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        is this a mech-tech M&P pistol?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's basically just an M&P with a foldy barrel

          why anyone needs these is beyond me, when you can get a takedown JRCarbine that is made 100% better

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            thats pretty cool. what are the pou's of a pcc? the main advantage i see is steel shooting on your personal range and suppressor quiet shooting. anything else? i dont have either so am having hard time justifying one

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't understand the point of a "take down" AR. Aren't they all already take down? Unpinning the upper and lower receiver makes them pretty portable.

              These are compact and can be stored easily in a backpack. Taking an upper and lower apart would give you a shorter package, so you could always do that. Most of these are designed so they won't expose too much of the rifle's guts where there's going to be carbon/grease though. Stuff an upper and lower into your bag, you'd probably want to put them in a liner sack or something or else get filth all over everything in the bag and the bag itself.

              Plus like you mentioned, they're run to shoot, you can carry more ammo vs. larger caliber ammo, magazines are more compact so you can carry more of them, and subsonic 9mm is easily suppressed (if you live in a free country that allows suppressors).

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Part of your question & the possible answers revolve around: What do you already have? What are the intended uses? No, I don't want you personally to answer that, just posing the generic context.

              If you already have weapons that do what these PCCs do, then you do not "need" one, even if you want one or they offer conveniences. You won't be able to justify one as per "need."

              If you currently lack weapons that fulfil needed holes in your inventory, then the PCCs offer various benefits. To what degree also varies on anyone's individual inventory.

              I'll use myself as an example. I do not have any suppressed weapons right now. The ones I own would not adapt to a suppressor very well, or cheaply. I am invested in 9mm for home and personal defense for various reasons. I do not own a carbine, meaning a weapon that does not require handgun licensing, that also digests 9mm. That would be enormously convenient. I happen to be invested in Smith & Wesson, and just also happen to have a nice M&P v2.0 ... so suddenly a PCC that takes the same ammo and the same magazines becomes even more enormously convenient.

              I have several weapons that fulfill my home defense needs, so a PCC isn't exactly "needed" in my case. However, if I needed to respond to a home break-in or something similar, I'd sure love to strap on my pistol with several spare mags on the rig, and pick up my S&W M&P FPC, with a suppressor, and be able to use it without shattering my eardrums. Currently, if I strapped on a pistol, I'd pick up a 12 lb 12 or 20 gauge shotgun with limited capacity and ~30" overall length and live with tinnitus for the rest of my life when I start blasting away inside a hallway.

              So, "needs" and "wants" and "convenience" are all contextual. In some cases, if you pick up a PCC and it works out well for you, then getting rid of one or two other guns may make your life a bit less cluttered.

              And other points I missed, but you get the gist of it by now, I hope.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                dude "zombies" is a lot shorter way of saying it

                the "market" for the "Folding PCC" is the
                >"zombie/apacalypse/survival/(head cannon) guy"
                OR
                some random nig that got his hands on one,
                or maybe an obscure mass shooter,
                that through a comedy of errors some how came to posses one

                they are "viable gimmicks"
                "you want to buy some dumb shit?"
                -"well.. at least its GOOD dumbshit!"

                there is nothing to "hate" about a folding-rifle PCC with obvious suppressor hosting abilities that works right with suppressors/ammo (&and diverse ammo in general)
                its like a modern "sten" or "grease-gun"
                >the bare absolute minimum you would trust your life to
                if the zombie apacalypse happend and someone handed you a keltec-subk2k(glock)
                >SHEEEEEEEEEEEIT

                8tvmh4

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's basically just an M&P with a foldy barrel
            It's literally not at all. Not even slightly. It doesn't even use the same operating mechanism let alone share parts.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand the point of a "take down" AR. Aren't they all already take down? Unpinning the upper and lower receiver makes them pretty portable.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Optic.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > tl;dr thread summary:
    48 hours after Smith & Wesson released it's M&P FPC on the open market, Kel-Tec shits its anus inside out and dumps its now useless inventory.

    Kind of a tell right there.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely don't trust anyone who likes keltec and defends the sub2k

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dont think anyone asked

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      T. Russian prisoner who was supposed to be calling his mom.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just realized the UA is probably giving these to the sabotage groups they are sending into Russia, they can be easily concealed and you can carry alot of ammo.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nibba hi-point has probably been sweating ever since you could get an APX for under 300 bucks

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