How is Russia supposed to counter NATO drones, missiles and planes when it can't even protect its territory against Ukrainian drones?

How is Russia supposed to counter NATO drones, missiles and planes when it can't even protect its territory against Ukrainian drones? And their AA defence is still continuously being attrited right now

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SAME AS IT EVER WAS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Letting the drones fly in
      Let them hit an oil storage
      Letting the drones fly in
      Vatniks hiding under ground

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you think this dude got raped in prison?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I kind of doubt it, thus far Rust only ever stated to have been treated well during his 2 months of detention.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rust went to prison for rape, so maybe he learned something behind the iron curtain.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, reading the wiki on this
      >Several high ranking officers got fired for this
      >Including WW2 fighter ace
      Imagine being a survivor of WW2, thinking you'll sit pretty until your pension, only to get fricked by some random Kraut landing in Moscow unopposed. At least Soviets fired their failures.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All those firings were scapegoats for the real cause of problem, some general who sold off his SAM's radar dish for vodka money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          During those times it was primarily "da general glorious technology all works (according to paper)". Scrapping that which was rightfully perceived as scrap came a couple of years later because after all what good is military junk for in a world devoid of war?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rust provided an excuse for Gorbachev to purge the government of political opposition.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think people understand how critical the A-50 program was for the USSR. The SA-5/S-200, despite being mocked by everyone, was a legitimately great interceptor for high altitude/high speed targets. The SR-71 was able to fly around it, but only on the far end of its range. Against a hypothetical high altitude B-52 attack, ignoring the presence of SRAMs/Hound Dogs/etc, it would have done wonderfully. Its presence alone forced the USAF to move towards the low altitude/high speed/stealth/long range fires model that it settled on by the 70s and 80s. The B-2 was basically the perfection of this model. Long range, stealth, long range fires.

    The A-50 was meant to counter the low altitude stealthy cruise missile. For a relatively small investment you can have coverage of most of inhabited Russia, 24/7, without the need for expensive and geographically spread out radar sites.
    The A-50 program failed and Russia was only barely able to resurrect it. The E-3 and its successors (now the E-7) may have been a mistake, but the A-50 was malice. It is almost impressive how badly that program was managed. Despite vatnik cope about the A-50 that was shot down a while ago being easily replaceable, they are not. They are artisanal planes that take years to make.

    I'd say they're fricked, anon. If Ukraine really steps up the long range UAV attacks they're going to feel it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >lose Moskva, bulwark of blacked sea fleet AD coverage
      >get crimean AD net repeatedly shit on, including main command bunker
      >then lose your A-50 to a SAM trap trying to bullseye Su-25s over Krynky
      Even if you couldn't make those logical leaps russia sobbing that they didn't need it through snot and tears was a good enough indicator.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >artisanal planes that take years to make
      They are not being made.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >artisanal planes
      This A-50 was hand-crafted by our expert machining team using top of the line components... Admire its beautiful radar dish, rivets, and engines. Take in the hand-painted coat, observe the quality of the hand-mounted radar systems that were placed within it perfectly. This one of one model is truly a unique and magical piece of military tech...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All designers long dead from natural causes, if they weren't executed in a gulag in siberia for a vague accusations of treason and embezzlement. good luck flying it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If Ukraine really steps up the long range UAV attacks they're going to feel it.
      hmm

      [...]

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ukraine gets a single line of long range drone systems running
    >dispite how shitty they are, they're gonne wreack havoc because russia isn't defending it's own assets
    wouldn't that be funny.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    most people don't understand how big Russia is, it's just impossible to cover all of it with air defense

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cover all of it with
      Kek, they can't even cover their two biggest cities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      on the other hand they have only two cities that matter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Three. Vladivostok is important.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As I said this is what the A-50 was/is for. The idea is you have regularly spaced air bases with interceptor aircraft (the MiG-25/Su-27/Su-35/MiG-31/MiG-29 are all suitable), you have A-50s up along with ground based early warning, and you vector fighters onto missiles as you spot them. You put ground based air defense along likely approach routes (in the Cold War this would be north near Murmansk along with spots near the European border) then cover the rest with aircraft. This way you can at least provide early warning for your civilians to take shelter and sortie aircraft/disperse troops before the nukes hit, and at best you can shoot them down hundreds of miles from their targets.

      But yeah if you're modern day Russia, it's impossible to cover all of it.

      >artisanal planes that take years to make
      They are not being made.

      Unless you have a source to the contrary, I was under the impression that they were working on A-50s up until at least the sanctions of 2022, and test flew an A-100 around February 2022? Do you have a source that states they've stopped building them since?

      I'm not being a shill. I'm legitimately curious.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Working on as in upgrading old A-50s to A-50Us.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No motherfricker! Building new ones!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Post new A-50.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Where?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              In Russia! Where else would they build them!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They only need to guard putins neighborhood, everyone else is expendable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is... le big!!!
      reminder that Russia is two cities and a frozen swamp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          h-hatosisters... our response..?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's around 1000-2000 tigers in the US (in captivity of course) vs 400 wild tigers and some in zoo in russia

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And most of those are in Texas.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          h-hatosisters... our response..?

          There's around 1000-2000 tigers in the US (in captivity of course) vs 400 wild tigers and some in zoo in russia

          How appropriate that since the fall of the USSR (1990) the only tigers they have are on rightful Korean lands, it isn't just missiles they need to outsource.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody's asking them to cover everything, just the critical military infrastructure and major population centres, and they can't achieve that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They don't need to cover the reindeer in Siberia, just critical structures near the fricking border.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why Ukraine needs to begin attacking BEYOND the Ural Mountains. That area is bound to be wide open by now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it's just impossible to cover all of it with air defense
      that's why you cover the main targets homosexual

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >more seething from the little goblin that keeps showing up over here
    please do, you're already practically on your knees crying.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nato doesnt have anything left, they gave it all to ukraine already

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funny post but this is actually what some vatniks will claim.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I like that they think that, maybe they'll actually try something and we can hasten TZD.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Then why not get some quick clay grabs with the Baltic states and finally link up Kaliningrad with Russia?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >zigger is still fantasizing about taking avdiivka
    you guys have turned extra delusional the last few days lmao.
    russia still hasn't come any closer but you're running the routine because russia is attacking and losing an absolutely ridiculous amount of men and equipment there?
    you need to get your head checked lmao.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    what about it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This place looks like it's in artillery range from all directions. How do they survive at all?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they have their own artillery

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you see yellow zone? firing artillery in that range is suicide

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It seems that literally all russian troops are inside that zone, though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            now you're getting it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Exactly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bingo.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >tiny change in territory
    yeah?
    that's what you're dilating about? damn ziggers are practically falling apart aren't they, you sound like a beaten housewife.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >look up gains
    >it's this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I see strategic wood resources for making pallets. This is a dire blow to HATO.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How is Russia supposed to counter NATO drones, missiles and planes when it can't even protect its territory against Ukrainian drones?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    nope, still doesn't
    russians are losing to one of the weaker militaries in europe.
    it also has no mercenaries, you can continue to seethe about it if you want.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >ukraine has the largest EU army
    no lmao, also typical for a /misc/tard to not understand the difference in quality between an actual NATO army and ukrainians
    >you are already out of artillery
    well the ukrainians aren't out of artillery and are continueing to even the gap by destroying so much russian arty, and we still have a shitton of our own artillery, doubly so now that finland entered because of russia's moronation.

    it's really sad how much you have to delude yourself to make russia feel less pathetic for losing to ukraine.

    seriously, this question has been asked a million times but your ilk dodge it every time.
    why doesn't russia just take the baltics then?
    if the entirety of european NATO is such a pushover compared to mighty ukraine, why not take them? surely we can't defend it with out 0 artillery?

    >inb4 no real answer and cope response

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They can’t

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My guess is they sent a bunch of AA to Ukraine thinking tha NATO will tard wrangle Ukraine from striking Russia proper, and after losses in combat alongside A-50 being shot down, they just don't have enough to defend it all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the poor frickers forgot to read the fine print
      The rules are that Ukraine cannot launch strikes into russia proper... using western military aid deliveries
      Anything the Ukrainians can make on their own is fair game

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bingo. We basically told the Ukrainians, "You blow up whatever you like.....just don't have our fingerprints on the weapons, lol."

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not very well, a gas terminal near St. peters was just struck
    https://yle.fi/a/74-20070489
    https://www.reuters.com/world/fire-erupts-russias-novatek-baltic-sea-terminal-after-explosions-heard-2024-01-21/

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They don't.
    Guess we should see what striking enemy army infrastructure really looks like now.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How likely are we to finally see strikes on their main oil pipelines? Aren't they pretty much the economic lifeline of Russia at the moment?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      An even better target would be the power substations that power a lot of their electric-driven trains and subways. Hitting the oil export terminals would also be a big deal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That would definitely shut down a lot of enemy infrastructure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      While that's fun and all, don't believe that Ukraine's shit is all perfect. I've spoken to plenty of Ukrainian's who work in brigades that got Western stuff and they are just as critical of shit they received. Outside of the gucchi stuff that goes to the 'elite' units, you're lucky if you get a half-dead M113 in other units. The reason why armies moved away from masses of vehicles to small militaries is exactly because maintaining such stuff is costly and time consuming. You literally have numbers - on paper - to deter people. Which is what Russia worked with. Same logic with their nukes. But the issue with nukes is, they only need one to work and one to hit a major city to cause serious issues with global consequences.

      Also, remember, that if each side was truly having such terrible technical malfunctions, there would be rapid progress because if you got no vehicles, all you got is guys and therefore the side with vehicles AND guys will win.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How is Russia supposed to counter NATO drones
    that's the neat part

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia won't attack NATO and there is only one Russian asset worth protecting--Putin.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why? Because everyone hates Russia, and they provide nothing of value to the world. They actually continually destabilize the world.

    > state secedes SHIT country
    > becomes independent country
    > SHIT country tries to steal independent country, which is ILLEGAL
    > rest of world, which hates SHIT country, helps independent country not get ILLEGALLY stolen

    And let’s even get more basic. It doesn’t matter how shit or non-shit your country is, if you’re going take an independent country, you better have the geo political power and clout to do it. do you understand this you DUMB FRICK RUSSIAN

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    because Russians are literally a different species and need to be contained

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literal orcs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >all the cleanliness in the streets just pissed me off
      THis is what I mean, russians are not people like the rest of us

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If it's not an independent country, why does it have a different government from russia?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Not an independent country

    Ukraine will be more free than Russians could ever dream of.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    In the distant past russia provided scientific knowledge, culture (such as ballet and literature), etc.
    Now, russia provides absolutely nothing to the world except crude oil, chemicals, some food, occasional assasinations, shit quality weapons, nuclear war threats, and more fricking russians.
    Russians are really just a slave race that will take absolutely any abuse their government throws at them as long as they can feel like they're somehow spiting the rest of the world who they hate and envy.
    it would be best if russia just collapsed into little republics and if russians focused on deposing their horrible leaders, fixing their corruption and generally improving their own horrible ghetto communities before trying to flex their krokodil addled muscles on the rest of the world

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    By that logic, the British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgian empires still exist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The British and French Empires absolutely do. Britain's in the form of the Commonwealth and Anglosphere, while France's is far more diseased (think Spain 19th century) where they meddle in the Francosphere to nobody's benefit.
      Not that this gives Russia any credence.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you let them go, and then signed a security guarantee protecting their sovereignty. But because you are russians, and you only open your mouths to lie, it was just a delaying tactic. As a people you've not learned integrity yet. It's like when you tried selling algeria "new" MiGs and they discovered they were like 30 years old and rusted to shit. You're not really people in the normal sense, you're just a sentient malevolence

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    By that logic russia is a part of Mongolia.

    [...]
    By that logic, the British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgian empires still exist.

    they still exist in my heart

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Technically the French has an empire still. The British do technically as well. The only other European empires still to exist are arguably Spain, Portugal, Norway and Denmark.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        By that logic the Dutch (and Portugese kinda) have empires left as well, in the form of the ABC islands and the Azores respectively.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I forgot the Dutch but did mention Portugal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I'm tired.
            I don't know if you're

            [...]
            By that logic, the British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgian empires still exist.

            , but it's kinda funny that apart from Belgium (which isn't a real country anyway), all those empires technically still exist.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I am yeah. No worries. I guess also Finland is technically one due to Aaland?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I guess also Finland is technically one
                Kinda? The definition of empire is nebulous enough that quite a few more countries would probably fit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I do chuckle, one of the little island nations that is part of the Netherlands has a capital called 'The Bottom'. It always makes me giggle.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It’s part of Russia
    It's literally not.
    Puccia is not Kievan Rus.
    Ukraine is Kievan Rus.
    Puccia is Muscovy.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >le cia coup
    I thought that all ukrainians are nazis, and that's why it's alright for you to genocide them, and replace with vatniks
    Or they will become your brothers again, if they would only allow to get oppressed by another nepotic money embezzling pro-russian piece of shit?

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love coming into these threads and seeing a dozen or so deleted posts that were clearly made by some vatnig who keeps ban evading and then cries when he gets banned again.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You did that yourself Russia via centuries of oppressing the Ukrainians.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The only times Russia has ever contributed to human progress has been those times when it was run by Europeans and not russians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia couldn't even do that right. They never truly reformed their societies. Change was top-down and superficial.

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