How is it possible that reflex sights are so terrible in 2023?
>breaks if you set your gun down wrong
>retarded blue tint for no reason except it makes it look fancy to boomers
>open emitters - if it rains or dust falls on the sight, good luck!
That will be $899.99 (plus tip)
How hard is it to make an SRO with a weather cover and at least as much durability as a fucking smartphone?
>retarded blue tint for no reason except it makes it look fancy to boomers
You could at least pretend to have done a tiny bit of research before you started shitposting. Either way, the only job of a red dot is to superimpose a little dot onto your vision. You are not focusing through the optic on a pistol like you do through a magnified rifle scope. You pull it up and are just looking at the target. Why do retards like you even bother posting?
>it's colorful so it's better!!! My simple ageing brain is stimulated by surface level qualities!!
You're exactly the same as the retards who wear pic related
You genuinely don't know why treating the glass has the side effect of bluing the glass, do you? You genuinely think that manufacturers are making the glass blue as some kind of gimmick. Welp! Not my problem that you're retarded.
>treating the glass has the side effect of bluing the glass, do you?
The reason it's blue is because they think (or they advertise) that a red dot is more visible if you make the surrounding image blue. And, of course, it makes the front of the optic look colorful and attractive to boomers who think colors = magically better optics.
It's not some manufacturing byproduct of strengthened glass
Good, you've done a little bit of googling.
You're a fucking retard.
>Pretending like they still cant make the dot bright enough to not need the awful timt like its 1991
I hate the mic cargo cultist brands!
I hate the mic cargo cultist brands!
I hate the mic cargo cultist brands!
Well, it could be inherently brighter, but better life would suffer.
*battery life
Which wouldnt be an issue if they made a modern battery tray design
Do you mean Trij? Or pistol RDS companies in general? I'm pretty sure the SRO and the new RMR have made it so you don't need to remove the dot to replace the batteries. If you're talking about constantly swapping batteries, just make it easier, that's not gonna fly. Even budget red dots are expected to push 5 digit battery lives. If anyone wants brighter and doesn't care about battery life, they can turn existing red dots up and buy a model with side or top load.
Yes, SRO is top load. Dunno about the other two new ones. Rmr is kind of an outlier in terms of needing to remove it vs having a tray or topload.
I had to look again and both the HD and the RCR are now top load. Only took a decade or so, but trijicon got it. Right as soon as I was looking to pick up an rmr too.
for what its worth, I'm an astigmatist, and all the higher end tint-y optics i've looked through are perfectly clean to my eye. All the holosuns and romeos have clearer glass but starburst like a bitch
god i hate the fucking acro. I'm sure you could get used to it but it just feels like such a retarded device to look through.
what I've never got is why its a gradient of blue on the top and gets more clear near the bottom. the difference in color is what throws me off, not the color itself
>astigmatist
Huh, I always assumed all red dots were bad so I recommend range boomers with cheapo red dots complaining about blooming prisms like them primary arms ones.
>fucking acro
seconded
Wrong. You're not going to get people to give you the answer by pretending to be retarded though. Go find out for yourself.
>You genuinely don't know why treating the glass has the side effect of bluing the glas
I genuinely don't and I think you are full of shit.
But if you aren't please explain.
All manufacturers apply a coating that reflects red light, so your light isn't wasted/visible through the front in the dark. This has the side effect of shifting the image blue since the coating also reflects red light coming in (which also gives the front a red-orange look).
Thanks.
Just to add, a big part of this is optimizing battery life. It should go without saying, but it takes more energy to make a red dot stick out brightly against a redder background than it does to make a red dot stand out against a bluer background. The bluing is an issue with larger optics because you are actively looking through the glass and need to see clearly through it. With a magnified scope, you want visual fidelity to know what you're shooting at. With a red dot, you could honestly just duct tape the far end of the optic and if you could still see the dot shoot very accurately. Feel free to try this, if you don't believe me, by the way — with an unmagnified red dot, cover the far side of the sight and aim. If you are shooting with both eyes open and a target focus, you'll find that the dot is still superimposed on your vision and you can still aim and shoot.
From this, it follows that the blue tint on a highly-miniaturized pistol red dot doesn't really matter at all.
That was a lot of words to say they should just use a green emitter.
Green is supposedly worse for your night vision, not that it would ever actually matter to 99.9% of end users, but there is a reason.
It's also hungrier on energy and green is much more common in nature than red. Everything is a tradeoff.
The shade of green used in optics illumination is very obviously a shade not encountered in nature. If you had ever looked through one outside, you would know this. I would even argue the green one is more visible outside than the red ones are.
Quit spreading fuddlore on things you don't know.
You can get green emitters, or for that matter amber as a halfway point between green and red. It's not like these solutions don't exist OP is just a noguns braindead homosexual who can't do his own research.
Now youre just making shit up, tinting the glass (thus making it darker) will cause it to Absorb the light, converting it into heat, wasting power because you cant see that heat unless you're wearing thermals.
You're right. My mistake! It's just blue because boomers think it's cool.
those glasses are cool and you're gay and retarded
lol this nigga still thinks pit vipers are cool
Sooo......
... what are those.... glasses
The brand name is written across the bridge of the lens
Once again another shitposters has drank his own koolaid
Blue tint is always a big red flag that Chinese glass was used
>Chinese glass
Yes, their silica sand molecules are well known to be too narrow and almond shaped to turn into a liquid properly when heated past it's melting point.
I just wish they would stop adding all this dead space to their optic frames.
It's not """"dead space"""". It's structural. Housings are either plastic or aluminum. Holosun makes a meme titanium housing. Neither aluminum nor plastic are all that good at withstanding shock without "clever" engineering. Glass is very fragile, and you need to overengineer the housing to protect glass from very slight shocks.
The SRO would suggest otherwise.
No, it wouldn't. An arch is incredibly structurally sound. There are archways erected four thousand years ago without mortar that are still standing. The tradeoff here is physical size. The SRO is extremely large for a pistol RDO.
>There are archways erected four thousand years ago without mortar that are still standing
May I see them?
Roman arch, they used concrete, which is stronger than mortar. Also, this is fucking stupid. We're comparing pistol optics, not buildings. You don't see many buildings designed to endure recoil cycles.
>what is wind
>what is weather
>what is sun
Yeah the recoil from a pistol is way more devastating than anything that pussy Mother Nature can throw at us!
>You don't see many buildings designed to endure recoil cycles.
Earthquakes!
So strong that only the rmr and one of the holosuns stand up to Aaron Cowans drop tests.
>but but but but
I don't fucking care what you have as a rebuttal, it's wrong and you are stupid.
so what your telling us is that you made this thread not to have a discussion, but to state your opinion and then shit on anyone who has a dissenting opinion?
we have plenty of "i hate pistol red dot' people already. we really don't need more.
He's probably fresh off the boat from arfcom or weekendgunnit or something. Cut him some slack, he's new the whole social anonymity thing and is caught up on the idea that he can be aggressively retarded about anything he likes to and unlike in high school (graduated last year) no one can pop his little solipsistic safety bubble.
i dunno hes probably one of the ten or so gun luddites who argue that a 6-shot snub and some practice with point shooting is all you need and anything else is larp cringe. Its classic PrepHole contrarianism in response to guns becoming a more popular hobby. they will eventually become black powder nerds.
You somehow think I'm OP? Can you even read?
I'm defending the fucking rmr you moron.
Probably samefag but if not you are equally fucing dense.
that's just for standing straight up, not for being dropped on the top or having things dropped on top of it. the arch on the sro makes it extremely fragile at the top as the energy has a very small surface area it passes through meaning more is transfered into the glass. Squared off means the energy is spread out, but you get less view space with the dot. That's the trade off here with the SRO.
>The SRO would suggest otherwise.
Retarded homosexual. I have an SRO on my fullsize handgun, and I love it, but it's WAY WAY WAY more fragile then an RMR or Holosun design or whatever and the only way it works for me is via adding more protection (thin foam+steel) which duh makes it much thicker. SRO was made for competitions, not duty carry. It's not remotely as durable and Trijicon is extremely upfront about it. I went to the trouble of lower 1/3 cowitness rather then just depend on the optic in part because I know the SRO is a lot more liable to break.
And you can get plenty of fully enclosed designs if you want, SRO isn't that either.
Holosun has a litany of tough pistol dot sights, and none of them have erroneous amounts of dead space in their optic frames.
They're newer designs, and tough but not as tough, but that also doesn't matter, and they still aren't the huge round window and thin bezel of the SRO, which if you've been on /k/ and own guns at all in like the last 4+ years you'd know all about. Handgun owners here have always been clear that:
- Trijicon are lazy fucks who had something solid early but then have sat on their asses and milked guvbux since.
- You are not an EL1T3 OP3RAT0R fighting through jungle, chinksun durability is just fine you will never need RMR's extra 5% and it's not worth the ripoff cost or lack of futures or worse visiblity.
And also if you actually know perfectly well there are decent more modern sights why were you such an absolute raging homosexual in your thread? Could have just gone for a Trijicon Are Greedy Non Innovating homosexuals thread and that would be fine.
Well the RMR HD was made like last year and it still has the stupid horns. So it is modern and still has the excessive plastic horns.
Being made last year doesn't make it modern retard. It makes it the absolutely laziest most minimal effort way Trijicon could turn the RMR into a closed emitter to at least bullet point compare to Chinksun. They're still milking it.
Not very successfully though.
It sounds like you think the RMR HD is an enclosed emitter. It's not.
Oh right that's the RCR their other """new""" """modern""" sight. I don't pay close attention to trijicon's lazy garbage because I'm not a fucking retard. You seem strangely fixed on whining about it though.
dumb frogposter
>Verification not required.
You okay, man?
Are you OP?
Man, your ego is working overtime today. It's okay to lose sometimes. It's normal. Superman loses sometimes. It doesn't mean he's a bad person.
I'm sorry about how hard you're seething at getting absolutely btfo child. Maybe you'll be allowed to get some guns someday ok?
What does that even mean? Why are you trying so hard to avoid admitting you made a small mistake?
lol at that seethe and desperate goalpost shifting
>every reflex sight is bad guiz
>by which i mean exclusively trijicon and refuse to acknowledge anything else
>look at these made up fuddlore to prove it too
>Not very successfully though.
Yeah that's why I stick with irons.
I fight my own retardation in a temperate jungle every summer.
509T/EPS are the most durable pistol dots on the market. I don’t how you can even talk about “reliable” while it still has an exposed emitter.
The SRO is known for breaking extremely easy.
you're fucking dumb bro
My man SROs literally break when you take them out of the box before even shooting.
Cute sight.
You should wear gloves next time, though.
The acro looks exceptionally retarded.
The 'horns' on the other sights are for impact distribution (though i do think it looks silly, the sro is clearly the best/cleanest looking)
>the sro is clearly the best/cleanest looking
Isn’t it also the easier to break out of every model in those 3 pictures?
companies make protective shells for the SRO but its still a competition dot, not a duty grade dot like the RMR.
Yeh, i want an exposed chunk of plastic, that can easily/cheaply be replaced once it gets scratched up.
Just get the holosun retards
Shit bait thread
how long until prismatic pistol sight?
I have astigmatism
>acro, but the xboxhueg housing actually contains a prism sight and etched reticle
Nice.
>I have astigmatism
So? Can't you wear glasses, or contacts.
>contacts for astigmatism
6 MOA EPS. The larger the dot, the dimmer you can set it, and the less it streaks.
I want the one that doesn't use any batteries, perfect for electromagnetic zombies' scenario.
Completely useless when the Matrix machine wars happen.
Enter holosun EPS being made of aircraft grade metal, having the clearest glass I've seen for a red dot and an enclosed emitter to keep shit out from the emitter
>breaks if you set your gun down wrong
Most are reliable enough for regular duty use. But anything mass produced will have lemons. That's why warranties exist. Getting a bad one isn't an indictment on a company. Getting shitty service fixing or replacing it is though.
>retarded blue tint for no reason except it makes it look fancy to boomers
The notch filter is literally there out of necessity Anon. Without it the red dot wont work. Yes there are some with less tint, if you actually used the RDS you would know those don't work as well in varying lighting conditions. It also doesn't matter. You don't look through a pistol sight like you do a rifle sight.
>open emitters - if it rains or dust falls on the sight, good luck!
You can get an enclosed optic if you want. But people were using open emitters without problems for years. Seems to me, the ones complaining about open emitters the most tend to be those who do the least with their pistol. Stop worrying about hypotheticals and go shoot. You'll find out what's important when you use your gear.
Knew a guy who got the P365 SAS when it first came out, and after several months of pocket carrying lint/dust blocked the tritium sight/vial. I know it’s not the same thing, but it just makes me nervous, would rather just not even take the risk.
So he didn't maintain his equipment. Tough to have any empathy for both of you. If you aren't going to clean your shit and maintain it regularly, then you can't expect it to work very well.
not like it matters. the SAS sights are useless
Don’t have to clean optics on any other gun when not in use, why should I on my carry? It should just work, EPS Carry is only like $300. Are you too poor to afford to afford the peace of mind?
That's just bad maintenance anon. You gotta keep your shit clean. I can understand the argument that enclosed emitters keep mud out if you have a risk of regularly dropping your sidearm in the mud. But for CCW? Come on now.
Yeah.
Why would I worry about cleaning it when I can I get an enclosed emitter in the same form factor for like $300?
Enclosed emitters have drawbacks too. They aren't necessarily better. They are larger which makes concealing more difficult and can also interfere with holster compatibility depending on what you've got. The seal can also fail which can allow moisture in that will fog up under changing conditions. The extra lens also lowers light transmission, can make them less useful with NODs. But some say pistol shooting with NODs is mostly silly anyways. They also usually have a smaller "window" than open emitter optics. Neither setup is always better than the other. It really depends on what you need. Open emitters are fine for most users most of the time. Closed emitters really shine when you expect your shit to get dirty a lot.
By the seal failing you mean like the ACKro consoomers love shilling? Also we’re talking about carry dots so why the fuck should I care about NODs/light transmission? You seem like the one concerned over asinine bullshit larper. You will never use your NODs for anything besides shooting cardboard targets several nights a year. Honestly hilarious to hear someone talking about practicality and NODs in the same post.
>Also we’re talking about carry dots so why the fuck should I care about NODs/light transmission? You seem like the one concerned over asinine bullshit larper. You will never use your NODs for anything besides shooting cardboard targets several nights a year. Honestly hilarious to hear someone talking about practicality and NODs in the same post.
It's like you read NODs and started foaming at the mouth lmao. He was listing that as a consideration if someone gave a shit, not a necessity you sperg.
Why would you be using a microcompact carry gun, which we were talking about, under NODs? And because he was framing it as civilians don’t need an enclosed emitter because they aren’t getting their equipment dirty and it’s not a necessity, and then immediately goes into NODs usability as if that’s more realistic than some shit getting into your sight.
>Also we’re talking about carry dots so why the fuck should I care about NODs/light transmission?
I have shot an infinitely more raccoons under NODs than I have people while carrying.
FWIW, my hierarchy of pistol dots goes
RMR>MPS>407=PA Classic Mini>Truglo
Well you’re actually using them for a practical purpose, so it makes sense. Still like my 509T.
That’s fine. NODs are great, but they’re definitely pretty deep down the iceberg as it were, and they aren’t a trivial investment.
But honestly so are pistol dots, lmao.
>I wish my friends would buy nods, night shoots and lights out driving is a lot more fun with friends.
Why would I waste money on a microdot that couldn't later be pressed into service as a piggybacked rifle dot or on a full size pistol for non-carry use?
Maybe not making dumb decisions is why I can afford multiple sets of NV. And land to use it on.
The lens tints are functional coatings, also. Micro red dots with without the tint also generally use alternative coatings the block a lot of IR.
What are you even talking about?
Anon take your meds. I don't even mess with pistol dots under NVGs. I was just posting considerations.
>Also we’re talking about carry dots so why the fuck should I care about NODs/light transmission?
We are? Says who? Pretty sure we were talking about enclosed versus open emitters and why you might choose one or the other. Besides, RDS on CCW is stupid anyways.
>You can get an enclosed optic if you want. But people were using open emitters without problems for years. Seems to me, the ones complaining about open emitters the most tend to be those who do the least with their pistol. Stop worrying about hypotheticals and go shoot. You'll find out what's important when you use your gear.
This. Though it will probably forever be the case that armchair "experts" work themselves into a lather over theorycrafting 1 in a million scenarios that don't fucking matter and any amount of actually getting off the armchair and out into the world actually doing shit would teach them that instantly.
Ive literally filled my holosun open emitter dot with dirt during a 2 gun match and just poured it out and blew it off and it worked fine
Now do it with wet snow
just blow on it lol or stick your shirt in their or something like it's just water or powder lmao
>it's just water or powder
Sweet summer child, I...
>t. lives in alabama and has only heard about snow
post times where open emitter on a handgun had an issue with snow causing anyone any problems lmao
>b-b-but what if I pour my water bottle all over it and let it freeze on the ground for a few hours!?!?
just put it in your jacket or sleeping bag with you and melt it off again are you for real get out and shoot in the winter
Was about to say this. It snows a lot where I live and I'm not just gonna stay inside. I like to shoot a lot, and I got so annoyed by snow falling into the emitter channel and having to wait until it evaporates that I just went with a closed emitter. No more problems with that.
If you're truly doing lots of handgun target shooting at distance in heavy wet snow/under trees then sure that's a scenario that'd justify a closed emitter of which there are plenty, but it's not an issue for a defense gun.
Exactly. You know snow. How do you keep it out of the window itself? Nothing more annoying than trying to scrape an optic lense full of snow/sleet/ whatever out, your body heat melting it, then it refreezing on you.
I just dont use optics in the snow if I cant put a cap on them.
Yeah.
OP is the same retard who made the this thread from yesterday, guaranteed.
ah yes, 9AM-11AM EST, time for eastern-hemisphere shitposters
naggerS TONGUE MY ANUS
NONE OF YOU OWN GUNS
I OWN GUNS, IM REAL, IM AMERICAN, IM ALIVE, IM AMERICAN, FUCK YOU
WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THEORY, YOU DON'T EVEN PRACTICE. MY LEFT NUT GOT MORE BALLS THAN ALL 25 POSTERS HERE
the p2 has the clearest and best glass of any of them, it's the best shooting experience it also has a superior mount system
Just use iron sights
They take time to master, but I have grown to love them. They present a substantial advantage at distance and while moving.
And my newest Echelon. Put the ACSS on it, and my G34 got my 507 Comp.
You will never need to use your pistol at distance while moving. You will need to use it for a close range snap shot. When that time comes, anything that slows down your draw will be a threat to your life. That includes the optic. It adds a small amount of weight and is a snag hazard. Don't be like this guy.
>You will never need to use your pistol at distance while moving
Thanks, Nostradamus. Good thing naggers and Hispanics are oh so predictable and always travel alone.
the only thing that slows down your draw is your lack of practice. whats your fastest bill drill?
by god anon, YOU'VE DONE IT!
YOU'VE CRACKED THE CODE!
My startup company would like to sign you up RIGHT NOW!
>OP doesn't own a pistol-sized red dot and is just buttmad they cost so much
I'm the only one with a gun on /k/
> 92 with RMR
Bretty classy, anon.
> SCAR
Ooh, nice.
> Fucking Strike Eagle or Viper, when you've got FN money
I'm not buying the VCOG until my Viper breaks and I'm already 3 560rd ammo cans deep with my SCAR
I have 3 more 560rd Saltech cans on order
The glass doesn't make the shooter, anon
spoken like a true poorfag
help a niggah out
I'm an American with a house in Mexico. I want to get in good with the local police. I was thinking about getting them some red dots for their rifles.
Apparently they are Galils, I'm not really sure.
What red dot or similar do you think they would like, and fit on their rifles?
What is living in mexico like? Ive always though it looked beautiful in pictures but naturally i only hear about the cartels and how dangerous it is down there.
My house is south of Puerto Vallarta. I see truckloads of full uniformed with weapons national guard, marines, and army driving around. They ride in the beds of the trucks. They keep tourist areas safe. The cartels problems are far north.
View from my house, it's down by where they filmed the movie Predator. Trail cams have captured pics of jaguars and pumas by my house.
Mad jelly anon, thats an amazing view.
I think id like to learn spanish and go visit mexico sometime. Ive got no real interest in going to a resort but theres got to be other tourist things to do besides pay for overpriced drinks.
in my area it's fishing, hiking, zip lining, quads trails, or you can ride a donkey up the mountain, botanical gardens are about 1 mile away too
What do you do for work? Your pictures are making me question my life plan. Maybe i should marry a mexican qt3.14 and live down there instead of slaving away up north
Security contractor, I don't work often. I was in Mexico twice in the past 2 months, going again soon.
Jobs there pay like shit, but you can find condos for under $80k, but the cheapest way is to rent.
plenty of big booty girls, too many, but they probably want husbands, they cook good tho
I would also like a big booty latina to cook for me and give me lots of children.
Im trying to go to medical school, maybe the best course of action is to work in the states half the year and work in mexico the other half. Putting the cart way before the horse but its nice to have dreams.
you could specialize as an expat doctor in a tourist town
That actually sounds like a great gig.
Now ive just got to make a pretty lady my wife before i turn 40 and uglier.
Any big booty Latinas who want to be single moms over there?
I've been there before. Someone wanted to charge me a dollar to pet his iguana, and another wanted to sell me some marijuana. Fun times.
That is Boca de Tomatlan, Mismaloya is north a bit, both are nearby
I'll let you chase geckos out of my house for free
Why isn't everything yellow? Did you use some kind of filter to remove all the yellow in Mexico?
>tfw I'm a poorfag who can't afford an optic
>tfw I'm a poorfag and can't afford ammo to practice shooting
I'm glad that Taurus has the g2c so I can afford to carry at all, but I realize I'm going to get absolutely obliterated in any scenario where I have to shoot against someone who had enough money to actually train at a range. I've only been able to afford 50-100 rounds total. I think a sight like OP posted would be useful in overcoming my complete lack of ability to practice but unfortunately the sights cost more than my whole gun and enough ammo to fill one magazine with hollow point and the other with normal ammo did.
Literally does not matter since you likely already have more range time than the average criminal you’d be in a gunfight with.
Lol look at the acro. 90% housing 10% sight picture what a piece of plastic shit lmao. At least the others dont have such a shitbox window
And it’s still less durable than the 509T/EPS
The ACKro looks like it was designed to be mounted on a HiPoint
have you ever even shot an Acro? or any RDS on a handgun for that matter?
Just get a cheap dot and call it done.
It's not like 400 extra dollars for something that is basically a solved technology is going to make 400 dollars worth of difference.
Also co-witness is for gays. Just high enough to see if the glass breaks is fine. Irons are a backup on a dot gun. They don't need to be in the middle of the damn sight picture.
ALSO also, laser beams are the superior targeting tool for pistols anyway. Fast, precise, and MUCH more maneuverable. If you want to line up sights, buy a rifle. Ditch the sights altogether and buy a laser
>ALSO also, laser beams are the superior targeting tool for pistols anyway
no they aren't lol. lasers are only acceptable under nods when you can reliably see the whole beam.
>Also co-witness is for gays. Just high enough to see if the glass breaks is fine. Irons are a backup on a dot gun. They don't need to be in the middle of the damn sight picture.
You shoot with both eyes open for a dot so it doesn't matter. Have you ever shot a gun?
>ALSO also, laser beams are the superior targeting tool for pistols anyway.
Absolute fucking retard.
>ALSO also, laser beams are the superior targeting tool for pistols anyway. Fast, precise, and MUCH more maneuverable. If you want to line up sights, buy a rifle. Ditch the sights altogether and buy a laser
they hated him because he spoke the truth and btfo all their gay consooom sights and optics.
>get $30 grip laser
>draw gun
>put little glowing dot on target
>can have it at your side or be lying on ground under/behind cover or whatever you want
>pull trigger
>nooooo muh queer "stance"
>nooooo muh "sight picture"
>nooooo you have to stand tall exposed to counter fire cover is unmanly!!
heh nothing personal
have you actually tried doing any of the things you promote? outside of your bedroom that is.
Unlike most people, I have both on my carry gun
My WML is also a laser
T. X400U owner
why isn't there something like an SRO with a super thin bezel and plastic instead of glass? why does it need to be glass
>why does it need to be glass
Light transmission and scratch resistance.
I have a Steiner MPS. I like it a lot, but the mount system kind of sucks, it takes a weird battery, and other people have had durability issues, which is why the RMR is the better choice if you’re buying your first pistol dot or first “””nice””” pistol dot. I would still buy another MPS before I bought another Holosun 407, unless I ended up with a gun or slide with a mounting plate designed for the 407k and it’s gay little integral rear sight notch over the elevation adjustment screw.