How hard would it be for Ukraine to make their own Shahed 136?

How hard would it be for Ukraine to make their own Shahed 136? Most of components are Western in nature from the engine, electronic chips, to the GPS. If not for this war but for the next one.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They can but would be a waste of time and resources. The HIMARS already is far better as military weapon. And attacking directly russian territory, not the occupied one, would be worse for ukraine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except for one thing: range. Since the Biden Administration has been too afraid to deliver ATACMS, a few dozen large, propeller-powered cruise missiles might be enough to pull off an attack on the remainder of the Kerch Strait Bridge.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These things suck. They could only create some chaos in Russian cities with no lasting effect on military targets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They could only create some chaos in Russian cities with no lasting effect on military targets.

      >blows up your oil refineries
      >no effect on your military
      lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > oil refineries
        You need a bigger boom for those I'm afraid. 50kg won't do it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Just send more than one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the goal is making hohols lives even more miserable than they are and its doing a pretty good job if you ask me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They seem pretty happy fucking russia into the dirt.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did you see anons 14 post Deep dive in the Shahed a couple of days ago? He claimed that the price/performance ratio is pretty poor, the fact that it is all Russia can get now is quite telling.
    Ukraine could probably build a superior version for less since they have the full backing of the western Military Industrial Complex. The Shadman is the way it is due to sanctions on Iran making parts of it harder to create.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's pure INS and Glonass/GPS. Not even a camera, lol. It can barely be called a drone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Shadman is the way it is due

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >deploy shadman drone
        >entire enemy force turns around and leaves battlefield
        Tactical genius

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >shadman drones

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. His point was that is rather poorly designed by people with limited understanding of 100 year old aviation engineering, who also have to source parts under sanctions. Unfortunately for Ukraine, all of the aerospace engineers have fled to Israel. Otherwise, they could make a much better loitering munition.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I did say that Ukraine has the full backing and support of the western MIC, I bet companies are tripping over each other to offer Ukraine their latest creations. Just look at how much exposure the Turkish Bryaktar drone has got from this conflict

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Unfortunately for Ukraine, all of the aerospace engineers have fled to Israel. Otherwise, they could make a much better loitering munition.
        bro ukies have almost full line of indigenous drone designs and even still keep popping new out during the war. It was always about severe lack of investment in those projects.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Shadman

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know HIMARS exist?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine can't really produce their own weaponry right now. It's more effective to have countries that aren't in war to produce weapons for them.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not really worth it. I always laugh at the picture that was spammed here a while back of one chasing a Ukrainian soldier because they borderline useless for military targets, even quadcopters with grenades have proven more effective. The Shahed is a civilian annoyance drone, it knocks out power for a while and makes everyone a bit angrier at Russia, then they already are. At best its greatest tactical value is eating a stinger missile.
    If there was any drone that the Russians have that the Ukrainians might bother to copy or get their own, it would be the Lancet. It's not incredible by any means but it's better than the small Switchblades and has managed to take out some valuable targets like air defense.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i mean, if it is gps-guided, it can be used against the trenches(as uks have enough info to make it somewhat viable) and as a blyatiful psy-ops: use these things to bomb the shit out of the trenches half the time and other half just drop the engine with a bit of gas and a remote starter to scare the shit out of russians in trenches(at night)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        so yeah, someone should make this happen - a modern v1 with a loud-ass engine and some Hispanicy load and it will probably be cheaper(as iran smuggles half the components and russia buys it at premium), more lethal and have actual military purpose with a side-effect of terrorising private conscriptovich to shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they aren't accurate enough to hit a trench though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that's why it' better to have a different payload. instead of dollar-store m31a1 munition(shasneed uses 7mm tungsten squares iirc), you use incendiary or something else that you wouldn't want to be within 10m even in a trench

          >Verification not required.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >i mean, if it is gps-guided, it can be used against the trenches
        That would be pretty terrible. These things have a CEP of 50m while the whole point of a trench is that you need a direct hit to actually hurt the people inside. What you will most likely end up with is a bunch of these crashing outside of the trenches, basically $20,000 fireworks. Even if one is on course to hit, they are so big and loud you can clear out of their path.
        The drone to use against trenches is quadcopters, they are small, fairly quiet and can get far over top the trench unnoticed and drop a small anti-personal bomb right on top of the enemy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >These things have a CEP of 50m while the whole point of a trench is that you need a direct hit to actually hurt the people inside
          More like 3-5m CEP if no GNSS jamming, if jamming present than more, depends how far away from target GNSS was jammed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nonfoldable X wing
      This thing must be a logistics nightmare with a profile like that, there is a reason why burgers design everything to be foldable, from tomahawks to switchblades.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You could stack those, you just interleave the wings on each one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but it's still not as good as folding.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what is strategic bombing
      The Lancet might be more precise, but that's beside the point.
      It's a cheap flying bomb that can damage infrastructure and is disproportionately more difficult and expensive to counter. Because they are too small for MANPADS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >better than the small Switchblades
      Only if marginally. You can clearly see that it barely scratches anything that isn't straight up inflammable ammo and such, and even then has some problems.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What would be the tactical advantage of terrorizing the Russian civilian population when the abilities of the Russian government far exceeds anything Ukraine could accomplish?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone want to make a shitty, inaccurate, push-prop cruise missile that can't hit a 200m barn door?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Ukraine had already designed and built a superior long-range drone?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How command are shahed attacks? Do they happen every day or is everyone still shitting their pants over the attacks a few weeks ago?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >command
      common*

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trivial, you could literally make one in your garage in a week. It wouldn't be as aerodynamically optimized, so you'd give up some range, but it would work just fine. The guidance system is just a Pixhawk that you can buy on Amazon for around $100-$150, less on Alibaba.

    Biggest expense is the engine; they are $21,000 and $29,000 respectively, but Alibaba is "out of stock" on both models (probably because Iran bought all of them). Yes, I checked.

    t. R/C modeler for the last forty years.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The guidance system is just a Pixhawk that you can buy on Amazon for around $100-$150, less on Alibaba.
      Iranians use custom made controller boards.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How does wasting resources terrorbombing Russian civs help Ukraine?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Military targets only is fine
      Like oil depots, oil pipelines, gas pipelines, electrical infrastructure

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this is how i know PrepHole has no understanding of the conflict. Russian oil pipelines currently run through Ukraine and neither side wants to touch them. for the first few month of the war ukrainanes were literally working for the russians to get gas to germany and money to moscow.

        ebil russians genociding the propaganda line i though PrepHole was smart enough to look at a pipline map

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, no.
          There is a lot of infrastructure they can hit without doing damage to that pipeline.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How hard would it be for Ukraine to make their own Shahed 136?
    They did, and it cost around $6000 per piece (nearly half of that for the explosives and incendiary material)/

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ofc they could, remember that they have unlimited money and tech access to basically everything
    but why would they?
    its a poor mans cruise missile
    it can only hit static targets that are not defended by any sort of AA
    basically its only good for exactly what the russians are using it: terror bombing innocent civilians and civilian infrastructure
    i do not think ukrainians are that low and desperate that they have to resort to these kind of tactics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukrainians are not low enough to resort to terror bombing
      Tell that to the poor Russian warships that got bombed by hohol terrorist boats 🙁

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Attacking military targets is not terrorism you stupid nucking figger.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you mean like the daily shelling on Donetsk?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If Donetsk was half as shelled as shills claim it would've been rubble by now because the damn city is right on the fucking border

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If Donetsk was half as shelled as shills claim it would've been rubble by now because the damn city is right on the fucking border

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          New York immediately after "the worst terrorist attack on US soil"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/shelling-in-donetsk-idUSRTR46GX2

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how much does an arty shell cost? if the 'drone' price is low enough they could be the perfect weapon for harrassing the entrenched troops and concentrated forces. Rus will have the same problems intercepting these as ukr have, maybe even worse if they are used smart and taking russians' incompetence shown so far

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb 155 shells costs like "500". It's probably more costly the wear of the barrel than the round itself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >how much does an arty shell cost?
      Estimates for the Shahed drone is $20-50,000 made with cheap Iranian labor. Artillery shells made in America cost about $1,000 and even dumb fire artillery is, far, far more accurate than the Shahed, especially if it has a spotter drone. Worse, the Shahed is so loud and slow you can see it coming miles away.
      Shahed is borderline useless as a military weapon. It's best to put that money into things that will actually get the job done.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Estimates for the Shahed drone is $20-50,000
        More like up to +100k$ because of required smuggling shenanigans.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The components themselves are not that expensive. Coupled with cheap labour, 20k might be the real price.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Did you not see the anons breakdown of the cost.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              parts of it were disputed by other anons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Disputed by retards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lol these have nothing to do with artillery. Artillery has a range of tens of km. These have a range of 1000+ km. The problem is that they are incredibly imprecise. Russia can't hit a building with them, let alone troops in a trench.

      To make them more precise would bump up the cost with with advanced electronics. But then, just use something like Switchblades.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread

    Wow many cope today.

    Ukraine has been newtured

    Russian objectives have are accomplishment

    Now we annoy NATO because amuses us

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Such a sad story. Four hours later, that man died of a catastrophic copium overdose

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Speaking of copium addicts, will we ever see Armchair copelord again? Or has he succumbed to his baldness?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 3rd hairline collapsed and Ukrainians exploited the breakthrough, he did not make it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the goal is making hohols lives even more miserable than they are and its doing a pretty good job if you ask me

      [__][_l:][__]

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not every hard. Ukraine however has no use of weapon that can only be reliably used to terrorize civilians.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shahed use by the Russians is efective because Shahed is used for strikes inside occupied territory and usually goes too slow for most long range SAM acquisition radars.
    And manpads have issues locking on to them.

    The only thing operating Shahed proves is that Ukraine has no more air-air capability left to contend the sky with and Russia can literally fly anything they want.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd buy up and mod target drones. Only way I can realistically acquire the mass in say a year time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Target drones were not intended to use a 50kg warhead

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In fact you can, the frenchs did it, they just added 50 kg to that drone, although they used it as reconnaissance drone.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They already built it, but any weapons require time for maturing, the current version of bayractar, leleka, pd2... had years of incremental improvements before becoming an effective tool

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Both sides should just build V-1 flying bomb clones. A pulsejet can be made in a garage out of tube steel for a few grand and if you use a GPS guidance system it would be plenty accurate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Has anybody successfully built some at home?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A kiwi did it ~20 years ago.
        >idea of a cruise missile
        http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml
        >100lbf pulsejet engine
        http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/pjet100.shtml

        http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I heard about an Aussie building on in the outback and getting V&, no idea if it is true. Also, supposedly the US V-1 clones made right after WWII were way more efficient because they had some kind of minor improvement that cost very little, but idk about the details.

        As far as I know, something like a cheap flying bomb is the only sensible use for a pulsejet. I know of no other use, besides target drones, and those also blow up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pulse jets fuel efficiency is fairly shit, but you could probably increase it with off the shelf parts like car turbochargers, hell you could nearly build a ghetto jet engines off of those, at least the compressor section, you cant just dump burning fuel in to the hot gas section of a turbo.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Efficiency is important for loitering munitions, but not for these single-use missiles. I guess it matters for op range a bit but you know

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I agree about the efficiency but if you can get by with a ~200 mile range on a giant warhead it's ultimately not a problem.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Efficiency is important for loitering munitions, but not for these single-use missiles. I guess it matters for op range a bit but you know

          Thats not the point, you want your weapons to be as light and hence as fuel efficient as possible to make logistics less of a clusterfuck than it already is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon the only way to do that is with a gas turbine engine, which costs a fortune. The point of a pulsejet is that it can be cheaply made with zero sophisticated industry. If you assume a 200 mile range and a $15000 unit cost, and say an 800kg warhead and 10M GPS based CEP you'd have a system that you could use to spam the hell out of your enemies.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://youtube.com/results?search_query=homemade+turbo+jet

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine doesn't benefit from terrorizing Russian civilians.

    What should have happened is the transfer of ATACMS in response to Russia's attacks on civilian infrastructure. Justify it on grounds that they can reach out to saheed launch sites (they wouldn't try but it's plausible as a justification).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Some of the Shaheds are being launched from sea, I think

      That's fair game

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    gnomish Defense industry graft simply won't allow for it. Honestly stop posting anti semitic stuff like this!

    STOP ASKING WHY THE USA CAN'T MAKE THEIR OWN VERSINO OF THE SHAHED

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE gnomish DEFENSE INDUSTRY AND GRAFT!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a fucking motorbike with wings that misses its target by 500 m. Every country in the world (except Russia) could produce it.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why not fly them into the enimies air space and exhast their air defence system. It would be a smart way to waste the enemies money

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      AAA will chug thus durka drones by dozens before ammo cost hits the value of a single drone production.
      Problem is not that it's an wunderwaffen with no countermeasures, it's that no one prepared right ones because no one was expecting fucking RC planes, when you make the opponent to expect them, they will also lose their expected purpose.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why delta wing? Can't be that fast with a pusher prop. And delta is shit at low speeds.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >And delta is shit at low speeds.
      That will depends on the efficiency goal and airfoil. Delta wings is more convenient to be launched from boxes and also are more forgiving about the CG location.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why delta wing?
      Wingspan limitation. Can't have long wing. Also delta wing is naturally good at high angle of attack so it is good for launch dynamics, drone would not stall before it picks up speed

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You would get better result by making the V1 again. Cheaper and somehow just as accurate.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ponytail ppl can't into technology

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would be trivial, but why would they? The Shaheds are useless for anything but terror bombing civilians, which is usually counterproductive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would they want that? They got plenty of dumb bombs and artillery if they need a horribly inaccurate weapon that's only good for terrorizing civilians

      Ukraine doesn't benefit from terrorizing Russian civilians.

      What should have happened is the transfer of ATACMS in response to Russia's attacks on civilian infrastructure. Justify it on grounds that they can reach out to saheed launch sites (they wouldn't try but it's plausible as a justification).

      If Ukraine gains the capacity to strike power plants within Russia(not just belgorod) maybe they can come up with an agreement not to strike each others electric grid.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would Ukraine bother to produce an already outdated design when they have direct access to better equipment?
    What the fuck is this vatmoron cope?

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would they want that? They got plenty of dumb bombs and artillery if they need a horribly inaccurate weapon that's only good for terrorizing civilians

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How hard would it be for Ukraine to make their own Shahed 136
    Would need to find Chink willing to take contract as Iranians did and I doubt CCP would allow that.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are supposedly making drone with range up to 1000km and capacity of carrying 75kg war head. Pic related. Make it what you will.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    won't be that hard when they've managed to jerry-rig an aliexpress drone to hit that refinery complex

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