How good are the Vatican soldiers (The Swiss guard)? their weapons:. >Traditional weapons

How good are the Vatican soldiers (The Swiss guard)?
their weapons:

>Traditional weapons
Halberd (guards only, main weapon)
Partisan Polearm (corporals and vice-corporals only)
Flamberge great swords (corporals and vice-corporals only)
Command batons (Sergeant to Colonel)
Dress Swords (all rank)
Rapiers (Officers)
>Modern weapons
SIG Sauer P220
SIG SG 550
SG 552
RSG-2000 pepper spray
Glock 19
Heckler & Koch MP7

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They also keep all the weapons they used to have in a gigantic armory, so there's always backup plans

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine being part of some muslim black ops team who try to assassinate the pope and you just hear "FORM RANKS! READY POWDER!"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine the uproar if something like this happened...

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let's see
    >Come from a country whose last shooting war happened before the advent of smokeless powder
    >Might be trained thoroughly but haven't been in a real situation either
    >Would rely on Italy if push really came to shove
    They can have all the weapons they want but they haven't had real-life experience in several generations.
    They are glorified night watchmen, no matter how much mountain garden gnomes on PrepHole fap on them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Getting shot at and forced out by sandmorons aint an achievement.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you have to be a trained soldier in the swiss army before you can join the guard

        And here we got the mountain garden gnomes who fap on vatican night watchmen
        >Getting shot at and forced out by sandmorons aint an achievement.
        It's practical experience, no matter what you think about it.
        >you have to be a trained soldier in the swiss army before you can join the guard
        Oh wow, so you have to be trained by an army whose last shot fired in anger happened around the time when barbed wire was invented.
        Pretty impressive. Especially since shitzerland drafts every young male.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          does it count as experience if you bomb goat farmers and still manage to lose against them?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >does it count as experience if you bomb goat farmers and still manage to lose against them?
            Yes it does, mountain garden gnome.
            Because any form of live shooting action not only gives you real combat experience but tells you if your guys, tactics, strategies, equipment succeed under fire.
            I know people whose nation hasn't been in war don't get this but that's like it is.
            You can develop and train just this much during peacetime. Only real shooting wars tell you if everything works as supposed.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              fighting in a desert shooting missiles from a drone at people with a 50 year old rifle isnt the same as protecting and fighting inside a modern urban enviroment where hostiles are hiding amongst civilians (that you arent allowed to blow up and claim they were combastants)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As I wrote: I know people like you don't understand it. That's okay, just don't act like you were hot shit or even relevant.
                Switzerland is completely irelevant when it comes to warfare and other military stuff. Everything you got and know is unproven or third hand sourced so fuck off unless you manage to get some experience.
                And while you're at it: Stop eating dogs you disgusting mountain inbreds.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what does any of that have to do with the swiss guard you retard
                the fact that there were no succesful attacks kinda proves they're doing a good job

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what does any of that have to do with the swiss guard you retard
                Because, as some other Switzoid stated earlier (he wanted to use it as some badge of merint) Swiss Guards come from Switzerland, have been trained by the Swiss Army. Thus their training and experienced is based on the docrtines and principles of an Army that's a) irrelevant and b) as inexperienced as humanly possible.
                If you look at world history, there are few other countries who haven't been involved in wars for such a long time.
                >the fact that there were no succesful attacks kinda proves
                exaktly nothing.
                Countries with much, much more experience in contemporary warfare get attacked all the time. Swiss Guards are night watchmen in funny dresses. If shit starts boiling they would call Rome's police, swat and the italian army.
                No amount of swiss shit modern firearms in the Swiss Guard's armory changes those facts.
                Just get it: Not everybody loves to circlejerk over some glorified armed ushers

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some glorified armed ushers

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you should shake that ass of yours

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Go whine somewhere else, Cletus

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We Cletii actually quite respect the Swiss. They show us what the Appalachians could be with independence and a bit of luck.
            t. literal hillbilly

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >t. literal hillbilly
              Based as fuck.
              Also I can't get over that Cletus itself is a Latin name. I can only imagine a redneck in full Segmentata screaming moron at Celts and Germans while throwing pikes at them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rednecks have some pretty wild cultural influences. Like the entire Memphis thing in Tennessee. The world's 10th largest pyramid is a Bass Pro Shop.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think the Swiss train their soldiers by having them stand in a straight line and shooting in volleys? Besides, it isn't like their job is to go out into warzones and protect a massive frontline. They're guarding one guy and some buildings, which is further protected by an experienced NATO trained army. You don't need Otto Skorzeny for something like that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's 150 people, total, probably 40 per shift, half of whom are literally LARPing, to protect a small city, that sees tens of thousands of guests a day, and has a couple hundred VIPs living there, with hundreds of visiting VIPs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Getting shot at and forced out by sandmorons aint an achievement.
        Those who have this experience, win or lose, will always win over those that don't.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you had experience from the iran-iraq war and still lost in afganistan

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you have to be a trained soldier in the swiss army before you can join the guard

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the Swiss army last saw a conflict when?
        150 years ago?
        And then when was the last time the Swiss guard actually saw combat? When they failed to protect the king during the French revolution?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And the Swiss army last saw a conflict when
          WW2, I think. I remember they shot down both allied and axis planes but don't know if they did more.

          They are guarding a tiny piece of land, they are more than capable for that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Were talking about cops with military training, who cares about your shit takes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they are a security/police force not a military
      more than capable of doing their job
      but most importantly it's the most PrepHole force on the planet, which is the only thing that really matters

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more than capable of doing their job
        How does anyone know that when they didn't have to manage a real situation in several decades?
        When was the last time they really had to fight instead of shooing lost Vatican tourists?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their job has nothing to do with "a real situation". They're just glorified cops, they seem to handle that just fine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And they boot them out at 30, so any of the security type experience they do get get matrixed out.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The vatican doesn't train them dummy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure your grandpa losing both of his legs to some shit smeared punji sticks gave you lots of intergenerational experience.
      May his ancestral blessings guide your bullets, amen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mountain garden gnomes
      German detected. Thanks for the Nazi gold, we're putting it to good use :^)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are a guard, they guard shit. Also they do PSD work. That’s it. They are literally policemen.
      It’s not like the Vatican is under threat of invasion.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Medieval weapons
    Obviously their first thought would be to let the firearm wielding security handle things but I'm sure if pressed they could easily back off a crowd or disembowel an attacker in the off chance they needed to.
    They're not like, trained elite melee infantry, but they're still soldiers and they've probably been taught how to hit something with a stick.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Supposedly even the PrepHole ones carry SMG's under their robe

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can we talk about the Pope who commissioned the Guard in the first place here too? As far as I can tell he was a supreme autist
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Julius_II
    >he chose his papal name not in honour of Pope Julius I but in emulation of Julius Caesar
    >he first succeeded in rendering it impossible for the Borgias to retain their power over the Papal States. Indeed, on the day of his election, he declared:
    >I will not live in the same rooms as the Borgias lived. He [Alexander VI] desecrated the Holy Church as none before. He usurped the papal power by the devil's aid, and I forbid under the pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again. His name and memory must be forgotten. It must be crossed out of every document and memorial. His reign must be obliterated. All paintings made of the Borgias or for them must be covered over with black crepe. All the tombs of the Borgias must be opened and their bodies sent back to where they belong – to Spain.
    >In 1506, Julius II established the Vatican Museums and initiated the rebuilding of the St. Peter's Basilica. The same year he organized the famous Swiss Guards for his personal protection and commanded a successful campaign in Romagna against local lords.
    >As part of the Renaissance program of reestablishing the glory of antiquity for the Christian capital, Rome, Julius II took considerable effort to present himself as a sort of emperor-pope, capable of leading a Latin-Christian empire. On Palm Sunday, 1507, "Julius II entered Rome ... both as a second Julius Caesar, heir to the majesty of Rome's imperial glory, and in the likeness of Christ, whose vicar the pope was, and who in that capacity governed the universal Roman Church."
    >Julius, who modeled himself after his namesake Caesar, would personally lead his army across the Italian peninsula under the imperial war-cry, "Drive out the barbarians." Yet, despite the imperial rhetoric, the campaigns were highly localized.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also as a testament to his prowess at waging war
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_League_of_Cambrai
      The powers on each side keep changing teams every 2 to 3 years like a lobby of TF2. This war ended in a status quo and changed literally nothing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >His name and memory must be forgotten
      Borgia who?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also as a testament to his prowess at waging war
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_League_of_Cambrai
      The powers on each side keep changing teams every 2 to 3 years like a lobby of TF2. This war ended in a status quo and changed literally nothing.

      Sounds more BASED than autist.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was certainly autistic with his obsession with Rome (may be the first documented Romaboo now that I think about it), but he was a based autist.
        Also his little war cry of "drive out the barbarians" is even funnier considering his allies were the Germans up north (HRE), and he usually fought against other Italians. The one time I can think of that he wasn't fighting Italians is in the war I linked to, where he accidentally introduced the French into the country to deal with the Venetians only to realize the French became a bigger problem. He was also the Pope who allowed Henry VIII to marry Catherine of Aragon (his brother's widow, he made an argument that they just never had sex so the remarriage to him was valid, although I'm pretty sure the Bible actually covers marrying yout brother's widow if they were childless anyways), unwittingly setting up the Church to lose England later when Henry would petition Julius's successor for an annulment from her.
        Oh, he also had an obsession with Michelangelo's art, and he would send messengers to harass him asking him to make more art for the Church. His final, ungranted request was for him to make Julius a giant mausoleum in the center of Rome, which Michelangelo was becoming increasingly too anxiety-ridden to do. Julius would send him several messages that became increasingly desperate until he died. After this, the Vatican just carved a hole into the wall and shoved him in there, with a modest front stone to cover it. Michelangelo made that one at least. If you ever take a tour of the Vatican you can find it if you wander just off the tour route in one place. You are technically allowed to be there, but a clergymen will probably ask you to go so you don't disturb anyone's business.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So are we just calling any form of ambition or conviction "autism" now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I mean he was obsessed with these things. He liked the Roman Empire and spent most of his time larping as Caesar. He liked Michelangelo's art enough that he was spending all the indulgence money on more of his art, to the point that Michelangelo had practically no other patrons than Julius throwing bucketfuls of gold at him.
            I'm not saying this like he was wrong in doing any of these things, or that he was even a bad guy. I just like laughing at fellow autists, doubly so when they're connected to me in some way. For you all, we share this site. For Julius, we share the same faith.
            I like to think God can have a sense of humor enough that this would be permissible.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All the tombs of the Borgias must be opened and their bodies sent back to where they belong – to Spain.
      Based pope hating on the depraved Hispanics

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gays yet again hating on the true succesor to Roma

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >heir to the majesty of Rome's imperial glory
      Ironically, a pope transferred the right to imperial succession to a worldly ruler from the north about 500 years earlier.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Arguably the Pope never even had the right of imperial succession since the other half of the Roman Empire still existed at that time.
        I'm not even sure how that idea came about. For some reason everyone at the time was of the belief that only the Pope could choose the Roman Emperor despite the last western Emperors being a hereditary line and before them being handpicked successors chosen by the sitting Emperor.
        But I guess crazier things have happened, like a country saying "people can own any weapons they want" and then making the ATF centuries later to violate that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Arguably the Pope never even had the right of imperial succession
          That's not arguable, that's an absolute truth. The donation of Constantine was fake.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >right of imperial succession
          For most of the roman empire that amounted to having the bigger army or even just the praetorian guard on your side. The will of the supreme spiritual leader oozes with legitimacy compared to that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This.
            Imagine thinking you're legitimate sinply for killing the guy who killed the previous emperor lmao. The empire's succession was a clusterfuck

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The real problem was Byzantium was ruled by an Empress, Irine. So as far as the Latin-German West was concerned under Saline Law, there was no emperor at the time.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Byzantium was ruled by an Empress
            >as far as the Latin-German West was concerned under Saline Law, there was no emperor
            Fucking based, ignore women

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Latin-Christian empire

      UNFATHOMABLY BASED

      Although , he should have waited for King Charles the Ist of Spain for that .

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably really good at protecting the vatican

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >more than 6 million tourists visit Vatican city every year
    >no accounts of police brutality
    >no Pope shooting since 1981
    They are doing alright.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    100% gays that have never shot at anything. Totally irrelevant and unheard of by anyone but autists. Also look like clowns. 0/10

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >unheard of by anyone but autists
      What shithole do you live in? Even in my North Carolinian public high school did people know about these guys, if only to make fun of how they look.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not good.
    Best case they are mid tier euro police, which is equally to underfunded small town police in in the Midwest US.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >135 men
    >at any given time ~50 on duty who aren't dressed as clown LARPers
    Shit, Disneyland has a better security force.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder who makes their melee weapons. The swords, soecifically. Are they real swords, or non-functional ones like in most militaries?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably just reusing the historical armaments, not like they actually use them

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The traditional weapons are clearly dummy weapons with blunt edges based on that pic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also his jacket has a zipper

      Fucking why, though? What's so fucking hard about giving your guys authentic equipment? Literally living history larp amateurs do it better, fuck

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The true God is on their side

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rather fucking good. Their job is mostly to be a protection service for the pope, and they get some very good training.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the Vatican procure little boys for them too or do they just sloppy seconds from the pope and cardinals?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do know that a teacher is more likely to diddle your kids than a priest right? It's like an astronomically higher chance.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only because there are loads of teachers...
        Priests still have a higher kiddy rape rate than teachers. The main issue was always that the Catholic church was covering up and protecting the pedos, anyways.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You do know that a teacher is more likely to diddle your kids than a priest right? It's like an astronomically higher chance.

        Well no shit. A kid goes to school every day, but goes to church once a week.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why arent you more pissed about teachers then retard

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they use anything other than medieval weaponry, it'd be over too quickly. War's got to be sporting, right?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always what would happen if there was a terrorist attack on The Vatican who would take the reigns on the response? From what I've heard it's the Italians.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From what I've heard they're actually one of the best fighting forces. I base this entirely on rumor and hearsay.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How friendly is this guards? I was in vatican this year and i wanted to take a photo with this guys but i kind of scares to ask or come close to them because of the guard videos of england. It's similar also in my country so i didn't ask

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >check the German Wikipedia page on the Swiss Guard
    >Historisch verwendete die Schweizergarde einige besondere Munitionstypen, wie die 12,7 mm Remington Papal. Es wurden folgende Patronenbezeichnungen mit besonderem Bezug zur Schweizergarde bekannt:

    12,6 × 45 R Papal Remington
    .50-70 Papal Remington
    12,7 mm Remington Papal
    12,7 mm Remington Pontificio
    12,7 × 45 R Papal Remington
    12,7 × 45 R Remington Pontificio
    12,8 mm Pontifico
    12,8 × 45 R Papal Remington
    12,8 × 45 R Papal Remington Vatican Guards
    12,8 × 45 R Vatican
    12,8 × 45 Remington Vatican

    This got to be a joke right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’re all almost dimensionally identical and normal .50-70 will shoot in any papal rolling block just fine with good accuracy and reliability
      t. Has shot a papal rolling block rifle before

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I own one, it’s an excellent piece, had to make my own loads, when you fire 50/70 through it the brass expands ever so lightly, as even though they are similar to the 12.7x45R the round needs to be resized. Those black powder rounds will still make it out to 1000 yards, kicks like a mule.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Swiss haven't seen action for a century know. So take a guess.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Last Papal death due to murder was over a thousand years ago, and considering the Swiss guard has been around for half of that, they have a better track record then any other personal guard on Earth as far as I'm concerned.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not PTRS/Halberd hybrids?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i see you funny hellsing klan

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what i know:
    >they have to be swiss and cattholic
    >one of them got postal with a sig handgun many years ago
    >their uniform is the heaviest of any militaries
    >the uniform was designed by michelangelo or donatello or raffaello, don't remember who, but was a ninja turtle for sure.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just checked the official recruitment page
      >Practicing Catholic
      >Male
      >At least 1.74 meters tall
      >Perfect Health
      >Completed Trade School
      >Completed Swiss Military School
      All of that and you might get a chance to become a swiss guard and earn a whopping 15k Euros a year
      There is no reason to become a swiss guard unless you are a devot catholic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There is no reason to become a swiss guard unless you are a devot catholic
        Funny how that works

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