How effective is jamming of Russian glonass guided missiles

How effective is the Ukrainian jamming of Russian missiles relying on Glonass (or the Chinese constellations) and which systems have been provided to Ukraine to jam Russian guidance? Are the Russians using some workarounds when they launch their weekly missile/drone barrages?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure a lot of their newer bombs use GPS, but I might be wrong on that. GLONASS sucks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't the us deny them the use of gps?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only by degrading the unencrypted signal for everyone in a large area

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even when choosing a name for their GPS they couldnt stop thinking about ass

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >GLONASS is much more resistant to jamming than GPS. Receivers are better at rejecting spurious signals and can maintain lock under weaker signal conditions.
    Half a year ago Russians launched several hundred glonass guided KABs at Antonov bridge trying to dislodge Ukrainian marines from their side of an river. Not a single one landed even few hundred meters from Antonov bridge forcing Russia to fire 10 million dollar rocket at it instead

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >GLONASS is much more resistant to jamming than GPS
    sure it is

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >GLONASS is much more resistant to jamming than GPS.
    GLONASS works like ass regardless of jamming so operators don't notice the difference.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    no idea what the frick you're smoking but GLONASS even if it is actually better at jamming, the accuracy is basically useless unless your target is a whole building block lmao

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >We tested GLONASS and GPS and GLONASS is more resistant to jamming
    >no we didn’t have SAASM or M-coded GPS
    >Only relates to maritime GPS and not to any military applications
    So you conflated a civilian test of a system and incorrectly surmised it applies to the military side (which the system is designed for)?
    We have video evidence showing GLONASS repeatedly fail during this war, we don’t need a civilian paper to demonstrate that Ukrainians know how to jam a system they helped create.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can't jam GLONASS if it's already non functional as part of its standard operation. Big brain time

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    GLONASS is indeed more resistant to jamming, but the accuracy is so poor that you are effectively going to be equally accurate with INS as you will with GLONASS except for very long range weapons (300km+)

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    I think the Ukrainian military and entire western military industry can figure out how to jam better than some Norwegians doing a small test.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >months of Ukie power stations blowing up
    can we see them?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >And yeah GLONASS failed right out of Avdiivka huh
    Considering that every single day Russia losses 1 tank that fell into KAB hole that missed Ukrainian positions by ~1km, I'd say yes

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >And the last several months of Ukie power stations blowing up on their own out of sympathetic embarrassment at being missed so bad.
    Remember when Russia was using oil refineries to jam GPS of Ukrainian drones?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/f9iwfv5.jpeg

      Remember when Russia used S-400 to jam GMLRS

      https://i.imgur.com/TH0KaJs.jpeg

      Or when they used train barges to jam ATACMS

      how's the summer offensive going? have you reached Moscow yet?
      Surely youve at least taken Russian land.
      Wait, youre not still in Ukraine are you?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bilhorod trembles in fear, zister, but the moscow is still safe, no need to worry.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when Russia used S-400 to jam GMLRS

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Or when they used train barges to jam ATACMS

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if 2008 Georgia is anything to go by you don't have to be very effective in jamming it to cause people to have to figure out anything else to use instead. that wasn't even it being jammed, they just were denied usage of GPS and had to immediately go to paper maps. given that russian pilots are putting trucker GPS's or using their phones for GPS, it seems either effective, or GLONASS is trash.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone please tell Russians to stop using its military and economic assets as GPS jammers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hospital of Horrors
      Oh, if only the walls could speak, what stories they'd tell

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We'll never know for sure wrt GLONASS because it has not proven accurate enough to really tell if it is degraded/jammed, plus the Russians seem to have pretty poor targeting data even if they had accurate PGMs. All that said I'm not confident that you can really jam these systems effectively. In GWII we took out Iraqi GPS jammers with GPS guided bombs because a properly designed bomb will have an accelerometer that keeps it roughly on track in the event of signal loss. I think that it is impossible to have a real scientific answer about jamming resistance of various APNT&T systems in the contex of PGM use during this war, sadly.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    I think last words of a Russian soldiers being "BUT WASHINGTON POST SAID THAT YOU'RE JAMMED" is pretty funny

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i mean, looks like the jamming is doing something, but not nearly enough.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    I'll take that as a
    >I saw it in an Instagram post
    and somehow no other evidence exists.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >GLONASS is much more resistant to jamming than GPS.

    Doubt it, basic GLONASS is shit in itself.

    There's also no such thing as general "GPS", the signal types vary from legacy to block 3 military variants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_signals
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_Block_III#New_navigation_signals

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >And yeah GLONASS failed right out of Avdiivka huh.
    Yes. Hence why the wudnerwaffe FABs kept missing over and over and Russia had to spend tens of thousands of men in continous meatwaves to finally manage to push the Ukrainians out.

    >muh power stations
    Russia having to spend hundreds of missiles to achieve single-digit numbers of hits ain't the own you think it is, Vanya.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >It was a military test
    Holy shit you fricking moron, it is not an actual military test at all.
    >As the Leica receiver has no access to the military P-code at the L2 frequency it has to use a
    specific processing technique (semi codeless processing) in order to extract L2 phase
    and ranging measurements
    This is on page 51 of the study you referenced, you imbecile. They lacked both SAASM and M-code to actually test, hence this study is just conjecture to actual military application.
    >Source: https://fhs.brage.unit.no/fhs-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/2389675/Glomsvoll.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Vatnik makes a wild claim about Russian equipment again
    >gets refuted hard
    >Attempts to proof post
    >Filters themself so hard they get laughed off the thread
    I hope this ride never ends.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about Russian jamming of GPS seems they can make systems like Excalibur nearly useless and massively deteriorate the CEP of just about anything besides ATACMS when in jamming area.

    Why nobody has made yet a drone that can home in to jamming systems? Would it be hard to design and make such a drone?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow dude you just invented the Wild Weasel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >seems they can make systems like Excalibur nearly useless and massively deteriorate the CEP of just about anything
      Why yes, they deterioated the CEP of Excalibur and HIMARS from ~20 cm to like 10 meters. I'm sure the mobik that's still in the kill radius is appreciating it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If Excalibur doesn't hit the tank directly it's pretty useless at it's anti tank role to be honest. 10m away is not going to cut it. Excalibur munitions are regarded as almost useless when the environment is jammed just like jdams.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GLONASS is absolute shit. If Russia has managed any precision strikes its thanks to smuggled Chinese GPS chips, which the Chinese are now running low on.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Disassembled systems by the Ukranians have shown the use of upgraded GLONASS modules (Kometa I think) with greatly enhanced accuracy. Probably made with Chinese electronics, but nothing the Russian military uses has been found with GPS. Even the Shaheeds bought directly from Iran had their GPS modules replaced with GLONASS modules.

      GPS’s weakness to jamming is VERY well-known and old news but this information seems to have broken the war tourists. GLONASS was first conceived by the USSR as answer to GPS, but it was really slow to get off the ground so the Russians were able to work in a lot of much more recent advances in terms of signal tech. GPS is legacy 70s tech which has been improved various ways to for military usage but the underlying tech is ancient and suceptible to jamming. GLONASS is a lot newer and therefore not as susceptible. GLONASS was in fact garbage in the early days and up until fairly recently but it’s now close to GPS’s constellation size and has update stations all around the world same as any other nav constellation. As of 2022 it was only 2 meters less accurate than GPS, and that gap has likely shrunk since then after the launch of GLONASS-K2 that added some more frequencies late last year. Meanwhile GPS Block III was delayed for a long time. The full M-Code implementation only started going up in 2018 and there’s only 6 in flight right now, meaning it hasn’t been widely adopted yet and Ukraine is stuck with baseline GPS and whatever tweak manufacturers can get them (as with SDBs). The US dropped the ball and Europe had their thumbs stuck in their mouths as usual, just own it already.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/Kometa%20think/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why are the Russian missiles notoriously imprecise in Ukraine? I even remember some videos of them missing a few rather wide bridges by several meters. Same with airfield.

        GPS is indeed being jammed heavily in Ukraine, I wonder if starlink constellation can be used as gps since they are so much lower orbit and so numerous of they could be used to triangulate anything they should be amazingly precise. I am not sure if non geostationary satellites can be used for triangulations though.

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