How does the USA manage to supply McMurdo station which is cold as fuck year-round without any corruption or shortages?

How does the USA manage to supply McMurdo station which is cold as fuck year-round without any corruption or shortages?

Kind of baffles me especially seeing they had their own delivery on demand pizza down there

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People doing their jobs honestly and in good faith is perceived as fucking black magic by a lot of the world and that's depressing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fpbp

      You have a large group of talented people working hard, in good faith, and trusting each other, all of which is necessary to survive there. It is a perfect meritocratic society. Western europe is the only place that can build societies like this apparently. If it weren’t for the turd world we’d have McMurdough on Mars by now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. The US isn't magic people just do the bare minimum in burgerland

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because in the USA if you offer a police officer a bribe, you go to prison. If you bribe a judge, he reports it, and you go to prison. If you bribe someone and they don't report it, then the next person to find out reports it, and everyone who offered or received the bribe goes to prison. If you fuck with numbers to steal from the government, you are not only going to prison, you are also given a bill for everything you stole (or lost). If you somehow get to Russia tier where you're stripping down reactive tank armor and selling the internals, if you somehow don't get reported by any of the men you order to do this, you will get caught by one of the many investigators, undercover agents, and routine inspectors who will immediately look for the people who had access to that equipment. And then you will go to prison.

    Anti-corruption must be a societal and moral value to work. Yeah it can happen at the top levels, but even then, too much of it undermines you, because your enemies can use it to destroy your public/professional support. But in countries where you're expected to pay the cops $50 to get through a checkpoint or traffic stop, the normality and acceptability of that small level makes it expected and tolerated at higher levels.

    And, once you have a societal level of rejection of corruption, you can develop incredibly advanced logistics systems that enable shit like this. The shipping company isn't skimming off the top, the heating repair guy is not going to source cheap parts that break all the time, and overall you're going to have a well-oiled machine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You bribe a lawyer and win. USA is insanely corrupt but yeah good for them fucking over the regulaar person.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >USA is insanely corrupt
        It's not. You're just a first worlder with no understanding of true corruption.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. There are situations that feel unfair and shitty, but it's only first world upbringing that even enables one to be indignant about such things. In a truly corrupt system you don't even notice because you're just angling for your own little piece of the graft.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This. There are situations that feel unfair and shitty, but it's only first world upbringing that even enables one to be indignant about such things. In a truly corrupt system you don't even notice because you're just angling for your own little piece of the graft.
            In the first world it's now also become trendy to use "CORRUPTION!!!" for
            >I am mad things didn't go my way or that the law isn't what I want it to be. I am mad public opinion doesn't agree with me. Or just mad in general. I don't wish to acknowledge that reality, or the hard work involved in changing it. So I will pretend that reality actually is secretly in my favor but somehow its being subverted instead.
            Which is unfortunate because it undermines from a different angle the "societal level of rejection of corruption" that

            Because in the USA if you offer a police officer a bribe, you go to prison. If you bribe a judge, he reports it, and you go to prison. If you bribe someone and they don't report it, then the next person to find out reports it, and everyone who offered or received the bribe goes to prison. If you fuck with numbers to steal from the government, you are not only going to prison, you are also given a bill for everything you stole (or lost). If you somehow get to Russia tier where you're stripping down reactive tank armor and selling the internals, if you somehow don't get reported by any of the men you order to do this, you will get caught by one of the many investigators, undercover agents, and routine inspectors who will immediately look for the people who had access to that equipment. And then you will go to prison.

            Anti-corruption must be a societal and moral value to work. Yeah it can happen at the top levels, but even then, too much of it undermines you, because your enemies can use it to destroy your public/professional support. But in countries where you're expected to pay the cops $50 to get through a checkpoint or traffic stop, the normality and acceptability of that small level makes it expected and tolerated at higher levels.

            And, once you have a societal level of rejection of corruption, you can develop incredibly advanced logistics systems that enable shit like this. The shipping company isn't skimming off the top, the heating repair guy is not going to source cheap parts that break all the time, and overall you're going to have a well-oiled machine.

            talks about. Even though there actually is very little corruption if everyone comes to BELIEVE there is then it's about as bad because the bar is lowered. Very dangerous when populists start lying that the only way anyone opposed them can win is cheating, that's straight to monke-land.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Very dangerous when populists start lying that the only way anyone opposed them can win is cheating, that's straight to monke-land
              I suppose it's less corrupt to just assume Mr Liverspots received more votes than Democrat Jesus without even campaigning.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh and not just assume but use your connections with tech companies to censor anyone who raises the question. Because that kind of transparency is a hallmark of a just regime.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon where I come from bribing someone for their services is just called paying them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If all it took to win was paying enough money to lawyers high profile cases like Rittenhouse would have gotten the conviction demanded by the big boys.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not at all. I cam start a business tomorrow with relative ease, just have to pay a few fees for licenses and I'm good to go. Compare it to Mexico where the local gangs, police, and politicians want a cut of your share in exchange for the right to do business. And at any time either of those groups could shut down your entire operation for any reason.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And at any time either of those groups could shut down your entire operation for any reason.

          In mexico? they'd just get some gangbanger to kill you

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're also leaving out the part where the government taxes the shit out of you and embezzles it all so none of the public works that are necessary for business function properly, and everyone else is too poor to take advantage of your service because of it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but even then, too much of it undermines you, because your enemies can use it to destroy your public/professional support.
      You got that right you pony faced soldier

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The shipping company isn't skimming off the top, the heating repair guy is not going to source cheap parts that break all the time,
      I wouldn't go that far. This shit does happen all the time but it's built into the process. There are tons of acquisitions that undercut the competition by fulfilling the technicalities of the contract and then offer a shitty fucking product or service that the government has to compensate for with additional contract work or man hours.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This applies to everyone below the equivalent of the Senatorial Class. Above that you have the usual "laws don't apply to Nancy Pelosi's husband or Joe Biden's son" bullshit, but it's kind of startling how well off the US is compared to most. If we got rid of the Democrats, most of the high-end corruption would vanish too since it's nearly always them getting a free pass since it's their side that believes justice is just a weapon to turn against their enemies.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's some partisan bs, both sides do slimy shit

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the lack of corruption is the normal situation outside of Russia.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I imagine it'd be quite comfy
    >be me, 6 years old
    >go skiiing in scandi countryside
    >cold as fuck, gets -20C some days with wind
    >night is dark as fuck, but the moon is really bright and yellow
    >the place where we stay at is on a small mountain
    >just 100m or so away there's a bigass lodge with a pizzeria inside
    >get your pizza and coca cola
    >TV reception is also good
    >get to look out at the big ass fucking moon
    Sort of like that but with more northern lights instead

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it helps that mcmurdo has generally consistent supply and demand

    number of people staying there is controlled per year
    and while they cant land ships half the year, they can plan out the other half so that they can plan out what they will need for the other half
    so while its difficult, its consistently difficult, which gave them a lot of time to plan ahead

    if you want a true challenge, thats amudsen-scott station
    can only recieve supplies via plane or via 4-week overland journey
    and almost zero ways to leave the station, even for medical emergencies, over the winter
    that truly tests the logistical capability of the people

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder what happens to the female staff in Antarctic Bases.

    According to Argentina there is a lot of fucking going on in their Arctic Stations.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bureaucracy has a lot of down sides, namely being expensive as fuck but has the positive of getting things done at least semi properly, while the russians can't supply their bases because the commanders have embezzled all the money, the us bases are supplied ( albiet at an astronomical cost ) because they have 30 department managers and supply contractors checking up on things.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've wanted to go work there but you gotta get vaxxed now...

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's very cool but it's not a military installation so I really struggle to see what the relevance to weapons is.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This may seem surprising to you, a non-American, but we have these little things called "cars" and "planes" and we use them to transport large amounts of goods whenever or wherever we want, and the people who drive the cars or fly the planes wake up on time to go to their jobs on time to deliver the goods on-time. Now I won't say USA is perfect, because it's not, there are definitely a lot of bad things about the USA (like Protestantism) but it's really baffling that in 8000 years of recorded human history nobody else figured out that you need to keep a steady supply of food to your outposts.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Order of the blue nose here.

    In the North it's not bad because it's all run by the Danish. They are paid so extremely well that they would be fools to fuck up the sweet ride. Janitors made $150k US a year and got 6 months of vacation (didn't have to overwinter). Other skilled jobs were paid accordingly higher. The dane-holes get taxed over 50% so a shit Job there has to pay way more to compensate. Then they went overseas and made that same rate but no taxes.

    Reading about McMurdo it seems a bit more extreme because they don't get flights in the winter. But in Gronland we got maybe 2 or 3 flights the whole winter because they get cancelled. And for personnel leaving it becomes a shit show as the planes get more and more backed up. As a regular person there was no chance to get off the Island during the winter anyway.

    Dry supplies came by ship until the port froze. Otherwise it just got really sparse at the store. Chow hall, and even the bar the closer we got to Spring.

    Corruption was the normal shit of people fucking, drinking, stealing, etc. It wasn't more than anywhere else in the world. People didn't seem to "get crazy after all that dark" or any other dumb shit you've read. We were miserable and worked and just stayed inside.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >posts corruption PERCEPTIONS index
    That is part of the entire problem anon.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beat me to it.
      Nobody can tell me that say, Bulgaria and Czechia and Italy are all in the same league, and India and South Korea are about the same, while somehow the UAE is somehow less far corrupt than everywhere else in the middle east, to the point that they are on par with most of Europe. It tells us next to nothing about the actual prevalence and impact of corruption.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    McMurdo exists at the pleasure of the US Navy

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