How does Aegis defeat ASM's beyond CIWS?

How does Aegis defeat ASM's beyond CIWS?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ESSM, SM-2, SM-3, SM-6.
    That's not including the array of countermeasures carried and queued by the Aegis system.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      SM-6

      What's the intercept success rate?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        (for SM-6)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Don't know but due to its extended range, any leakers can be re-engaged by the cheaper and shorter ranged SM-2s and ESSMs, without needing to spend multiple SM-6s per incoming missile.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It hasn't been fired in anger yet. The most recent action was USS Mason off Yemen, and she used SM-2s and ESSMs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        IOC was in 2013
        >2014
        SM-6 intercepted a supersonic sea skimmer surrogate and a mid range subsonic surrogate
        >2015
        SM-6 kills a ballistic missile surrogate in terminal phase
        >2016
        five targets knocked down in tests earlier in the year, then later hit a maneuvering MRBM surrogate, which the yanks claim means it can hit DF-21/26s
        >2017
        Another MRBM killed
        >2021
        engaged two MRBM's failed to hit one but struck the second.
        So 10/11 intercepts = 90% success rate

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SM-6

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CIWS is a complete scam. Does not work reliably.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      CIWS is just a class of weapon systems. The Phalanx CIWS is rather shit and its intended use is as an "OH SHIT OH FRICK THAT MISSILE IS GONNA KILL US FIRE EVERYTHING" gun. It's not intended to be used except as a last resort.

      The RAM CIWS is far more reliable using short range guided rockets to intercept instead of just chucking a bucket of bullets towards an incoming missile.

      SeaRAM CIWS is quickly becoming the US standard for CIWS going forward and at this point going forward I doubt we see too many Phalanx CIWS installations.

      Long term the navy is working on a 300-600kW laser CIWS for the DDG(X) in the mid to late 2030s or 2040s.

      • 1 year ago
        Dennis

        tl:dr CIWS can't offer reliable protection. Not even against subsonic missles. Especially not against modern hypersonic threats. Realistically it's over for you, mutt carrier.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Then it's a good thing the CIWS is like the 3rd or 4th line of defense and not the one and only.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Especially not against modern hypersonic threats.
          Laser CIWS is faster than hypersonic.
          The speed of light is hard to beat.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            lasers don't work against things already hardened against hypersonic heat

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Can you prove that or is that just your mental fantasy you decided sounded true?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                if they have real low altitude hypersonics or reentry vehicles lasers won't work against them, but they don't have real low altitude hypersonics

                I can demonstrate it if you give me a tile off of the space shuttle and let me borrow a laser CIWS system

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >tile off of the space shuttle
                do we need to remind you how fragile those were?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That was due to NASA mass autism, the thermal performance can be replicated or improved upon easily at the cost of mass

                Lmao concentrated 600kw laser is not the same as atmospheric reentry.

                should be the same order of magnitude, what's the spot size on the 600kW laser
                remember that during reentry it had nowhere to radiate heat to, the laser only occupies a small part of the sky

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >can be replicated or improved upon easily at the cost of mass
                Ahh, good thing mass isn't a significant factor in missiles or anything

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your own chart shows a peak at 120W/cm2

                We are talking about a 600,000W laser.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                over what spot size?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Who the frick knows because it's all classified as frick. But you're insane if you think you can brush it off by bringing up shuttle reentry numbers.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Typically less than 1,000cm2 (about a square foot or so). Also, combat lasers tend to pulse, which increases peak thermal loading compared to overall average heating.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >. Also, combat lasers tend to pulse
                Nah. Things that are currently designed for military applications they are all continuous power

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > nowhere for the heat to radiate outwards
                Firstly Heat resistant materials are insulating by nature, meaning that if you heat one part of the insulating layer, then the heat doesn’t easily dissipate to other areas.
                secondlt , the rate at which heat is lost due to radiation is dependent on the temp differential between the surface and ambient temperature , surface area and a correlation of other factors. For a small area being heated by a laser , to radiate the amount of heat away that the laser is suppling would require a temperature differential that would melt the material anyway.
                You clearly don’t understand how heat works.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                radiate as in black body radiation, it gets hot and glows and this dumps heat back into the environment
                can't do this during reentry as the surroundings are already glowing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao concentrated 600kw laser is not the same as atmospheric reentry.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If it is already that hot then adding lasers into the mix will certainly not help

                Either way COADE taught me that lasers are basically useless little flashlights even in space so I reckon a railgun based CIWS that can fire rounds very quickly might work better

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The navy dropped all research and development work on the rail gun project last year and the navy and other branches are investing heavily into a high powered 600kW class laser, currently pouring hundreds of millions a year into it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Heat is additive, moron.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The missile is not going to be in effective range of the laser for more than a few seconds, so it better be in the megawatts.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The laser doesn't need to destroy the missile entirely, just damaging the sensors or control surfaces would be enough.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >someone puts time and effort into answering your question
          >you ignore 90% of it just to shitpost

          you are not allowed to ask why the quality of posting is going downhill on this site because YOU are part of why its happening.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the endless Chinese hypersonic shit posting
            I genuinely believe this is an intel gathering attempt by the PRC. Is PrepHole really a space to try and up your standing on the world stage? Obviously no.
            >Post shitty US bad/China Navy stronk bait
            >enraged vet/AD USN posts counters
            >more shitty bait
            >spills classified spaghetti to prove why USN would stomp a haze-grey mudhole in the PLAN

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Works in Warthunder

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Genuinely plausible. There's a reason most "hacking" is just asking an idiot for their credentials and why the principal intelligence gathering technique is still a prostitute with a tight c**t and a good memory.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Hypersonics are completely useless against anything but an extremely large, totally immobile target.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So a carrier? Even at maximum speed, it may as well be sitting still compared to a hypersonic.

            The era of imperialist American naval dominance is over.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              lol no, carriers have decent manoeuvrability and their top speed is classified for a reason.

              I've even heard that a CSG's operating speed is limited by the escort ships, not the carrier.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I've even heard that a CSG's operating speed is limited by the escort ships, not the carrier.
                Basically yes. Nuclear reactors don't particularly care about fuel efficiency so a CVN can run at flank speed until the propeller falls off. Conventional ships have an efficient cruising speed of ~20 knots or so and would only last a couple hours at full speed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                why do American radar suits and wirings look so primitive compared to the Chinese?
                is there any electrical engineer left in mutt land? Or all the smart ones have become bankers?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The current generation of sensors are based on designs that were designed before integrated masts were a thing and many of the ships these sensors were designed for were built decades ago. So the non-integrated mast trend continues in the USN because we have a LOT of hardware designed for regular masts. We have SOME integrated mast hardware, but it's not applicable for everything, so even now we have new ship designs using integrated masts. This might eventually end, but the USN hasn't deemed it necessary enough to FORCE integrated mast adoption across the board.

                A decade and a half before the Type 55 went into service, the US had ships with integrated masts(pic related), it's just not been done on the US destroyer yet (unless you count Zumwalt).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >using integrated masts
                using non-integrated masts

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Actually, a nuclear powered carrier could still move a mile or two between when a hypersonic missile launched and when it lands. A hypersonic might take 3-5 minutes to reach the carrier and the carrier moves at about 35 knots.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Like a city. We should totally put a nuclear weapon on a hypersonic missile or something!

            ....wait

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >tl:dr CIWS can't offer reliable protection.
          Hello. This is why AEGIS doesn't rely on Phalanx and Phalanx itself is ditched in the favor of the RAM.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What does the reddit frog have to do with that?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >reddit frog
        >over half a decade after ADL declared it a hate symbol
        Boy, pepe sure made the normies seethe for you guys to hold a grudge this long

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Implying reddit isn't a hate site too.
          Come on gay

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Normalgay detected

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're right, it's not just the Reddit frog, it's the Twitch frog too

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Does not work reliably
      Has there been an instance of CWIS not working and it NOT being due to some moron turning it off or it not being operational when entering the theatre of war in the first place?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gulf war, silkworm (?) Attack and cows somehow targeted chaff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Depends. RAM is quite good. Gun CIWS on ships is ass.
      CIWS on land, when in the CRAM configuration is quite good for mortars and rockets.

      Basically gun CIWS as envisioned for naval usage was a failure, but it developed useful technologies and turned out to be really, really useful for the army so it kinda worked out.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Basically gun CIWS as envisioned for naval usage was a failure
        Not a failure, just not as good as they'd like and is actively being replaced in favor of RAM systems that are far more effective.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not going to make the argument that it's useless, because it has frankly barely been used, but its track record is not good.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ticos are gonna get retired soon. bye bye ticos

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    These cruisers and destroyers are basically designed around air defense.
    A better question is how exactly they will engage in surface warfare if they have to.
    8 harpoons is pretty pathetic against pseudo aegis destroyers like the Chinese ships, presumably SM-2 and SM-6 will be the main anti-surface weapon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No the better question is how is the Navy going to fight with the limited ammunition they have. The Navy doesn't even have enough missiles to fill the all the cells in the existing fleet. The PLAN doesn't even need to sink the USN to win. They can just missile spam with relatively inexpensive missiles until the USN runs out of AD and is forced to exit the theater of combat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >what is soft kill for $1000?
        This "missile swarm to overwhelm the fleet" shit posting is old. It's not a new threat. In fact, it's the primary threat AEGIS was designed and built to counter.

        https://i.imgur.com/GUH9Uep.jpg

        CIWS is a complete scam. Does not work reliably.

        https://i.imgur.com/bz2UDXL.jpg

        How does Aegis defeat ASM's beyond CIWS?

        https://i.imgur.com/hW6A9Qp.jpg

        CIWS is just a class of weapon systems. The Phalanx CIWS is rather shit and its intended use is as an "OH SHIT OH FRICK THAT MISSILE IS GONNA KILL US FIRE EVERYTHING" gun. It's not intended to be used except as a last resort.

        The RAM CIWS is far more reliable using short range guided rockets to intercept instead of just chucking a bucket of bullets towards an incoming missile.

        SeaRAM CIWS is quickly becoming the US standard for CIWS going forward and at this point going forward I doubt we see too many Phalanx CIWS installations.

        Long term the navy is working on a 300-600kW laser CIWS for the DDG(X) in the mid to late 2030s or 2040s.

        This is accurate. CIWS is an "oh shit" Hail Mary of a weapon system against ASMs. This is not exclusive to the US; this is every CIWS system.

  6. 1 year ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    PLAY COLD WATERS DOT MOD OR WATCH VIDEOS OF PEOPLE PLAYING.

    how can we be asking these questions in 2023?

    Watch dis and shut up

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  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of heat shielding do hypersonic missiles use? I'd assume ablative rather than something like the space shuttle.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > Chinese TV reported that it is able to intercept incoming anti-ship missiles up to a speed of Mach 4 with a 96% success rate

      lmao

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_730_CIWS#Type_1130
    What's this?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The bug is afraid, it knows it's not the top dog in technology game anymore

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