How do you protect your petroleum infrastructure from hundreds of cheap, long range precision suicide drones?

How do you protect your petroleum infrastructure from hundreds of cheap, long range precision suicide drones?

Is it unironically over for Russia or is there anything they can do? What kinds of systems does Russia have that could help with their SHORAD problem around these oil refineries?

Is it unironically over for Russia if they can't protect their oil infrastructure?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hang nets from barrage balloons

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hang nets from barrage balloons
      I would like to see this.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure the 24 hour downtime will cripple the Russian economy
    Just two more years

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think cracking towers can be rebuilt in 24 hours?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He probably thinks they can get replacement parts from alibaba overnight

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It took less than 24 hours to destroy, I would have thought it'd take less than 24 to repair

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You do understand that oil refineries take 5-6 years to build and require a ton of specially produced custom parts, right? One does not simply erect a 100 foot refinery tower overnight

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It took less than 24 hours to destroy, I would have thought it'd take less than 24 to repair

            I gotcha anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In Russia they take 10-12 years to build because someone pockets half the money all the while. Russia overwhelmingly exports crude because they can't into refining, like the average under-industrialized 3rd world country.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              To give you an idea: Japan, a country with effectively no oil reserves where everyone takes public transport because cars are impractical in megalopolises, refines more gasoline than Russia.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No fricking way. Not a chance in hell those slant eyed tech drones are processing more oil than Russia is

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Look it up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It makes sense though. Given the opportunity to sell crude oil directly, after just pumping it out of the ground, or spending even more time in effort to refine it into a refined product, which is easier? selling the crude oil directly is easier. And requires less technology and investment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia selling raw materials/commodities because they can't refine them
                Many such cases:
                Ukraine was the main world producer of neon up to the war by refining Russian "boiled liquid air" (from steelmakers) as raw material.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, it really doesn't, have russians never heard of selling value added products? Hedging your bets on crude prices? Selling crude is certainly easier but you are at the mercy of the international market for crude prices and have no way to make money back when you're a price taker, it's just bad business to not refine it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I want you to look over the last three years and think about the way the entire Ukrainian invasion has been handled. And then ask yourself a question as to whether anybody in Russia is interested in investing in anything, or has any sort of long-term view. I think it’s pretty obvious why they wouldn’t build refining plants. They have zero view of a future state. Just what they can steal right now today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're right, I don't know if I'll ever be able to truly understand russians, but perhaps the first step is to actually abandon all hope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well, the thing with russians is the smart ones, the ones the system haven't crushed quit as soon as they can, as for the rest, they are lower than shitskins, some shitskins may still manage to pull some progress here or there, some local or national victory against corruption and poverty which shows another ardorous step in the path of historical evolution, even the fricking houthis believe they are fighting their government corruption... russians, they have no hope, they have just given up in the name of an ever more fragile stability and security any chances to fight back their own corruption and poverty.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Russia has given all hope to fight corruption
                > meanwhile USA will replace Biden with Trump
                hope, huh? guess it amounts to screeching "murica number one" in the internet and hope that in 5 years China and India won't leave you behind.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > meanwhile USA will replace Biden with Trump
                Do you people actually believe this?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He was ahead in the polls last time I looked and none of the 'one weird trick to stop trump, just donate to this sketchy lawyer' suits are going to work

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Polls are irrelevant due to various biases. If you don't have a phone, they can't poll you, and as a result Biden's voter base - lower incoming working class - isn't completely represented.
                Biden is likely to sweep through a bunch of Trump states and keep all of the ones he won last time. Texas and North Carolina will go blue, and Florida is a toss up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Texas and North Carolina will go blue, and Florida is a toss up
                You're fricking high or moronic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Biden's current election strategy is literally to flip those three states. He isn't even bothering with Georgia, which is allegedly the toss up according to "the polls". Face it, it's over. Putin lost.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Putin is running for president of the United States?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Biden's current election strategy is literally to flip those three states.
                Then he's going to lose. The dumbfrick is underwater in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin and you think he's going to flip fricking Texas and Florida? That's the stupidest fricking thing I've ever heard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He isn't 'underwater', and you've already been told why. Listening to "the polls" is like listening to a tarot card reader.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Biden's voter base - lower incoming working class

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Even beggars have smartphones you vile Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >none of the 'one weird trick to stop trump, just donate to this sketchy lawyer' suits are going to work
                Fun fact: most people say this before they hire the right sketchy lawyer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Trump's lead on RCP is 1.7+ so far, which might as well be a toss-up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the polls
                >"Hello mister Registered Republican from a staunchly red district - Are you going to vote for the R or the D?"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >perhaps the first step is to actually abandon all hope
                Correct. Russia is hell, and their only temporary pleasure is dragging others into hell with them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What you're seeing get hit right now is USSR-era facilities that have been expanded and upgraded by foreign investors and partners. Russia does understand value added goods, the post-USSR brain drain and collapse of its education system has left it unable to provide those without significant outside help.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Long-term investment
                >Yacht right now
                I wonder which one Russia will choose.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It makes sense though. Given the opportunity to sell crude oil directly, after just pumping it out of the ground, or spending even more time in effort to refine it into a refined product, which is easier? selling the crude oil directly is easier. And requires less technology and investment.

                Having your own refineries is also a national security thing, since crude is easier to acquire, you can make deals with countries for crude and secure your own refined supply.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lol seriously. You need to post that as an infographic.
                I knew they exported a lot of crude, but I had no idea it was that lopsided.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No fricking way. Not a chance in hell those slant eyed tech drones are processing more oil than Russia is

                lol seriously. You need to post that as an infographic.
                I knew they exported a lot of crude, but I had no idea it was that lopsided.

                >ITT: lies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Notice the trend in your chart. Japan overtook Russia last year.
                And with the current happenings in Russia, it's probably below Venezuela by the end of the month.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, no. The light blue at the bottom refers to 2010, the dark blue at the top to 2022. Japan's refinery capacity decreased, it didn't increase.

                https://www.statista.com/statistics/273579/countries-with-the-largest-oil-refinery-capacity/

                If you have information contradicting this please post a source

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, it seems like Russia produces about 20% more gasoline than Japan:

                >Russia in 2023 produced 43.9 million tons of gasoline
                https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-bans-gasoline-exports-6-months-march-1-2024-02-27/

                > In 2022, the production volume of regular gasoline for automobiles in Japan amounted to approximately 41.19 million kie-girlters
                https://www.statista.com/statistics/744969/japan-main-petroleum-gasoline-volume/

                43.9 * 1.351 = 59.3 kie-girltres
                https://www.qatarenergy.qa/en/pages/conversionfactor.aspx

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wait i am moronic, didn't convert from tons to tonnes, it reduces Russias production to ~53.7 kie-girltres, which is still greater than Japan's 41.2.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To give you an idea: Japan, a country with effectively no oil reserves where everyone takes public transport because cars are impractical in megalopolises, refines more gasoline than Russia.

                What the actual frick are this posts? What's the point of blatantly lying about it? Before the war Russia was third country by oil refinement

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >are this posts
                Calm down, ESL monke.

                Russia mostly refines shit like mazut rather than high octane gasoline.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, majority of post 2011 build or refurbished oil refineries are using western tech and are at 96-99% "depth of refinement"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People are talking past each other, one is mentioning crude oil and the other is just talking about gasoline.
                I don't know enough about Japanese gasoline production to know who is bullshitting, though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >vranyo doesn't feel so good on the other side of it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia was
                That kinda sums it up, doesn't it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, which is why it's important to point out how much Russia was refining, so one can understand how crippling it will be once most of those refineries are gone

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >was

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People are talking past each other, one is mentioning crude oil and the other is just talking about gasoline.
                I don't know enough about Japanese gasoline production to know who is bullshitting, though.

                https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?product=gasoline&graph=production&display=rank

                To give you an idea: Japan, a country with effectively no oil reserves where everyone takes public transport because cars are impractical in megalopolises, refines more gasoline than Russia.

                This anon claimed gasoline production here not crude oil refining as a whole.
                You shifted it to whole capacity where you are correct they do more crude overall but they make less gasoline than Japan.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently I deleted the last part of that post where I said that info is outdated by a decade and comparing it to anything recent is hard. If you take everything and just extrapolate it out Russia would be producing more than Japan by now. But we all know it doesn't work that way.
                Anyone find more recent numbers let me know.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Notice the trend in your chart. Japan overtook Russia last year.
                And with the current happenings in Russia, it's probably below Venezuela by the end of the month.

                Also, this is total crude oil refining capacity, not gasoline production.

                Russia's refineries are notably inefficient and gasoline is their main product.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >is their main product.
                is NOT*

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"Noooo, you cannot adjust GDP for PPP! It's poor people points!" the chart
                You are not aware that Iran would have higher motorization than any european country in a 1v1.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are not aware
                now aware*

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                PPP is a better measure for living standards than GDP, but you can't buy cruise missiles and fighter jets with it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If Venezuela doesn't invade Guyana then Maduro will officially be smarter than monke.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >someone pockets half the money all the while
              CAPITALIST LIES!!! SOMEONE POCKETS ALL THE MONEY, AND PUT UP A SAUDI TIER CUTRATE PILE OF DOGSHIT AT THE LAST MINUTE

              TO THE REEDUCATION CAMPS FOR THIS ONE.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In Russia they take 10-12 years to build because someone pockets half the money all the while. Russia overwhelmingly exports crude because they can't into refining, like the average under-industrialized 3rd world country.

            That's if they can get the parts

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          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You do understand that oil refineries take 5-6 years
            Only because of bureaucracy. Building itself takes year or two and russian can probably speed it up with slave labor and using spare parts. So these attacks unless sustained(which is possible) will frick up russian oil production only for few months to a year.

            How quickly can russia build nets around all of their oil production facilities? Can they do it faster than Ukraine is blowing them up?

            Hint: At current rate, Russia will have zero oil refining capacity within 2 weeks

            Hitting ones further away is going to be more difficult so unlikely albeit not impossible

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Building itself takes year or two and russian can probably speed it up with slave labor and using spare parts.

              Almost all of the oil infrastructure in Russia was built by western companies. Especially specialty stuff like Cracking towers. So they will need to smuggle all the parts/experts in at extremely high prices. Minimum of a year at least until any of these can start running again

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Almost all of the oil infrastructure in Russia was built by western companies. Minimum of a year at least until any of these can start running again
                I'm pretty sure china can build them too, but I also myself stated it might take a year.

                >experts in at extremely high prices.
                Slavery can fix that issue.

                >speed it up with slave labor and using spare parts.

                Riiiiight
                >Yes, just round up a few buryats with advanced degrees in chemical engineering off the streets and pick up some fresh distillation column PLC on the way back, m'kay? Oh, and maybe some vodka, too.

                >Yes, just round up a few buryats with advanced degrees in chemical engineering off the streets and pick up some fresh distillation column PLC on the way back, m'kay? Oh, and maybe some vodka, too.
                You would be suprised how fast things can get completed if you'll force people work on it for 16 hours a day 7 days a week with threats to them and their families and random violence. Their drone industry already has shades of this and i expect them to double down on it after today elections.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China will buy as much crude oil as possible if Russia doesn't explicitly ask them for refineries.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China and India, at least China pays in yuan, India pays in rupees

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Point being is that said technical experts do not live in Russia at all to begin with.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You would be suprised how fast things can get completed if you'll force people work on it for 16 hours a day 7 days a week with threats to them and their families and random violence.
                Anon, you know why Liberty (and Capitalism) beat Authoritarianism (and Socialism) every single time? Because people don't like being slaves. They will do the absolute minimum they can get away with. But more importantly: they will never help improve the system they're caught in. And it's continuous improvement that wins the race. That's why the West has literal Wunderwaffen and the russians have a quickly depleting stock of Soviet archaetotech (which was, even then, vastly inferior to Western tech).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >”capitalism” wins because people don’t like being slaves even doe capitalism is closer to slavery than socialism is
                anyway your premise is completely false. “Improvements to the system” come from universities, which pretty much can’t operate under the free market (powerhouses like the UC system are public universities aka socialism). Rapid organization is also important and it’s something the free market is notoriously bad at

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, you know why Liberty (and Capitalism) beat Authoritarianism (and Socialism) every single time?

                America: dilapidated slowly collapsing shithole (liberty and capitalism)
                China: former shithole constantly being upgraded and improved (authorianism and socialism)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                IMPLESSIVE

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >artificially inflates GDP by building ghost cities in your path
                What now, chang?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What now, chang?
                Let's the ghosts to live and work in those cities.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well they'll certainly have lots of ghosts to take care of with a declining population, smart thinking.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Soviet archaetotech
                Very Battletech. Apparently it's a meme in Russia to refer to the vestiges of the Soviet aerospace programs as the remains of an ancient advanced civilization.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Minsk SPG Array
                >Inoperable after COMSTAR was forced abandon the facility.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *HPG
                FRICK

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You would be suprised how fast things can get completed if you'll force people work on it for 16 hours a day 7 days a week with threats to them and their families and random violence
                So where are Russian Sukhoi SJ-100, where are Su-57, where are Armatas, where is working Kuztetsov? Turns out just random threat of violence can't magically create high technological and sophisticated product, what category oil cracking tower belongs too?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So where are Russian Sukhoi SJ-100, where are Su-57, where are Armatas, where is working Kuztetsov?
                Everyone that could actually invent something new ran away from that shithole, with latest 2 waves after initial invasion and mobilisation, mind you many of them still support putin, russia and the war, they just don't want to live in russia, or under putin and definitely dont want to fight in invasion they support. Problem is oil refinining isn't new thing and you don't need top tier geniuses for it. And they also might even find third worlders willing to share oil refining tech if it turns out all mildly talented enginers ran away after upcoming post election mobilization. So I stand by that they will be able to restore them within year (assuming ukrainians wont just bomb them during repairs)

                >You would be suprised how fast things can get completed if you'll force people work on it for 16 hours a day 7 days a week with threats to them and their families and random violence.
                Anon, you know why Liberty (and Capitalism) beat Authoritarianism (and Socialism) every single time? Because people don't like being slaves. They will do the absolute minimum they can get away with. But more importantly: they will never help improve the system they're caught in. And it's continuous improvement that wins the race. That's why the West has literal Wunderwaffen and the russians have a quickly depleting stock of Soviet archaetotech (which was, even then, vastly inferior to Western tech).

                >Anon, you know why Liberty (and Capitalism) beat Authoritarianism (and Socialism) every single time?
                That's nice but totalitarianism and slavery has been winning again and again in central europe for last 3 hundred years.
                >That's why the West has literal Wunderwaffen and the russians have a quickly depleting stock of Soviet archaetotech (which was, even then, vastly inferior to Western tech).
                Too bad americans can't agree to send more and europeans with possible exception of Poland(and even they should be spending more and do other likely unpopular reforms) aren't willing to spend enough to mass produce their weapons. And so situation is slowly deteriorating and the longer it goes the harder it will be to turn around.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Its not going to be just a case of ordering new parts and installing them, they'll end up needing to dismantle some of the good undamaged parts of the refinery to get the new vessels into place, then re-build it all; or grading and preparing a whole new site 1 mile away and re-routing the entire plant to the new site which is the easier solution.
                So you need to survey your damaged site, decide on your solution, get enough engineering done to give an estimate, get budget from someone to pay for it all agreed, agree who is getting paid to provide it all (potentially interesting in a corrupt place like Russia how that gets agreed) and then - and only then - does the order get place for your equipment replacements.
                This isn't the military with agreed supply chains, these refinery sites aren't set up to place orders tomorrow for 20 new vessels complete with ancillaries.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I gotta wonder how many of their experienced millwrights, welders, pipefitters, ect have been cubed by now

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                probably not cubes but definitely diverted to war production or left the country
                universal skills get you employment opportunities in not shit countries

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >That's nice but totalitarianism and slavery has been winning again and again in central europe for last 3 hundred years.
                NATO, for the last 30 of those 300 years, has had a remarkable effect in the region by providing a security guarantee that can repel such totalitarianism and slavery. Much like how syphilis was a severe problem in Europe for centuries until the introduction of penicillin.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > So I stand by that they will be able to restore them within year (assuming ukrainians wont just bomb them during repairs)

                Yes that. Ukraine will not stop. At best Russia will try to play whack a mole, trying to save some while others go up in smoke. It takes weeks to make a batch of uavs ar Ukraine will not ever stop.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >That's nice but totalitarianism and slavery has been winning again and again in central europe for last 3 hundred years.

                What the frick are you talking about anon?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Slavery can fix that issue.
                You cant reliably enslave experts in a field like chemical engineering because they are too rare and specialised, anyone with the skills and opportunities to become a chemical engineer possesses by default the skills and opportunities needed to avoid being enslaved
                You also can't reliably turn slaves into experts in a field like chemical engineering because high end engineering is a lifelong professional commitment and anyone who isn't there voluntarily will not have the willpower to make it through even if they are intelligent enough to pass
                >I'll just point a gun at their head and tell them to learn or die
                Then they will die, because learning is impossible under such conditions.
                Slave economies are non viable in the modern for this specific reason and it is also why dictatorships tend to build shittier weapons

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why dictatorships tend to build shittier weapons
                >even doe the nazis were a dictatorship and had some of the most advanced weaponry in the world at the time (albeit held back by deteriorating industry and a shortage of good metals for alloys)
                >even doe the ussr was also a dictatorship according to /k/ yet had better tanks, interceptors and air defense than nato for most of the cold war and got assault rifles 16 years before the democratic usa did
                >even doe the “dictatorship” of the CPC has its own 5th gen fighters and good a2a missiles while every nato country has one or the other but not both
                Your brain on ayn rand brainrot

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Basically to create good weapons you need:
                (1) A large educated class to keep the general tech level up
                (2) Industry for developing and manufacturing weapons in large quantities
                For (1), you need a massive education and research system. It pretty much has to be a central government function because otherwise paying for an (unsubsidized) education or doing research in mathematics (very useful but not immediately) isn’t worth it, so you’re left with a small talent pool and no research in certain important topics
                For (2), you need the MIC
                Even America has figured out that pure capitalism is a failed system, which is why we have the public education system, the public university system and the MIC.
                In terms of incentivizing workers, pretty much any system other than true communism has some inequality and thus some room for good engineers and researchers to be rewarded for their contributions

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >some of the most advanced weaponry in the world at the time
                as advanced as they were raw and underdeveoped
                >had better tanks, interceptors and air defense than nato for most of the cold war
                Lol
                >CPC has its own 5th gen fighters and good a2a missiles
                lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >nazis had some of the most advanced weaponry in the world at the time
                You do realize why "Wunderwaffen" is a joke to begin with, right? The nazis only had a technological advantage at the start of the war (because they had been preparing for it for years and because Germany had been such a technological/scientific powerhouse) which they lost as the Allies shifted into gear. By the end of the war they were outmatched in every single military tech field. V2s and Me 262s and other cool stuff were pointless high-cost-low-impact acts of desperation ordered by incompetent morons.

                See also https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/online/5299/The-scientific-exodus-from-Nazi-Germany
                Again: the vast majority of smart people will never want to work in an authoritarian regime, they will devote their smarts on figuring how to get the frick out, instead.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the V program was the result on the germans being banned from getting heavy caliber guns by the Versailles treaty so rocket artillery it was.
                By the ned of the war the allies where a month or two away from starting mass production on their own fighter jets.
                But the first operational ones where used by the brits to hunt don V weapons (that due to spy shenanigans where for the most part aimed several dozen miles shot anyways)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You do realize why "Wunderwaffen" is a joke to begin with, right
                Because the nazis were so fricked that their superior tech couldn’t save them. For example, they had the first fighter jets but not the metals necessary to make the alloys needed for good engines.
                >https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/online/5299/The-scientific-exodus-from-Nazi-Germany
                This is mainly because the nazis persecuted israelites, who happened to be the top mathematicians and scientists at the time. israelites are happy to live in authoritarian apartheid states that carry out genocide as long as they’re not the ones getting genocided (see: Israel)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >their superior tech couldn’t save them
                In many ways the US had superior tech, from VT fuzes to actually deploying the first combat drones in the Pacific.
                >Jews are happy to live in authoritarian apartheid states that carry out genocide
                Not giving a particular frick about collateral is a war crime, but not a genocide.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                North Korea attempted to do that to create a film industry, ever heard of a nork blockbuster? You should already have noticed the only reason Russia somehow managed to take that much land was by burning through what's left of their soviet stock and talented human capital(western trained finance ministry, somewhat still maintained nukes, well crafted propaganda programs thanks to decades of refinement) real life isn't 40k, damn, even in 40k slave work often don't manage to achieve shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pulgasari was pretty fun though

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So they will need to smuggle all the parts/experts in at extremely high prices.
                The thought of taxing the russians for old failed QC parts, makes me so hard im having stomach pains.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >speed it up with slave labor and using spare parts.

              Riiiiight
              >Yes, just round up a few buryats with advanced degrees in chemical engineering off the streets and pick up some fresh distillation column PLC on the way back, m'kay? Oh, and maybe some vodka, too.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >*sends one drone again after the repairs*
              Oh no

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Only because of bureaucracy. Building itself takes year or two and russian can probably speed it up with slave labor and using spare parts. So these attacks unless sustained(which is possible) will frick up russian oil production only for few months to a year.
              Sure if you have western capital and know how, the fact they are already struggling with things like building their Cold War era may indicate they will have a hard time, and there is still the fact you may end up a potential fuel bomb due vranyo and smekalka doing their thing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >using spare parts
              Lmfao so any machines that break now don't have a spare part stockpile
              You've traded a working machine in one place for a demolished one in another

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes, theyre orkz, theyre so delusional that they can warp reality with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The russian economy is already crippled.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why every day life is the same as it was for Russians as it was two years ago. Yep. Totally collapsing economy. How’s it going in burger land btw? Rumor has it you’re about to submit all of your guns to Biden like good cattle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Rumor has it you’re about to submit all of your guns to Biden like good cattle
          Unlike Russia where individual freedom to bear arms is respected by the LMAOO

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Post eggs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he can't, too busy measuring them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Eggs reporting
            No brown eggs itt.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              White eggs look like they were made in a factory out of plastic. I never eat them not even when I was a kid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I grew up in bongistan and currently live in straya, I've never seen white eggs irl outside of American films and TV shows. I never understood the weird phobia that burgers have about consuming raw egg until I learned about why their eggs are white.
                >FDA requires eggs to be washed with diluted bleach
                >this strips the waxy outer coating from the shell
                >eggs subsequently have to be refrigerated at all times
                >you still can't consume raw egg, to the point that you're strongly advised against eating things like raw cookie dough
                >the rest of the civilized world immunise their chickens against salmonella
                >eggs can be kept at room temperature or eaten raw

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't have anything to do with egg color what the frick are you talking about

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I like eggs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna be fair to the burgers here and point out that medicating livestock is the most massively moronic thing humanity has ever done and is cooking up a batch of super plagues that are resistant to all treatments. All to save a few dollars

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Immunisation has nothing to do with the massive overuse of antibiotics in the agricultural sector

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're advised against eating raw cookie dough because of the flour, concerns about eggs are secondary.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't have anything to do with egg color what the frick are you talking about

                They are white for the same reason mass production chickens and turkeys are white: 1.5-20% of a birds protein intake goes to pigmentation. No pigment: more efficent.

                The washing thig is big ag BS though, unwashed eggs don't need refrigeration. If they have to be washed and chilled it creates a barrier for any local/small producers as was intended.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Which is why every day life is the same as it was for Russians as it was two years ago. Yep. Totally collapsing economy
          Are /k/ ready for the stab in the back part 1989 : the black snow Boogaloo after the war? The best part is the result don't matter this time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Petrol State says it doesn't need Petrol.

      Holy KEK

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically, that's true. Most of their money comes from export of crude oil, not from petroleum.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the 24 hour downtime
      You lying h*h*l shill, they're down for one hour. Maybe two.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The prophetic copelord has spoken.
        Refinery attacks will be the final straw that ends Putin's regime.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My brother in Christ frick hohol piggies and they’re western puppeteers but I swear does putin have this dudes nuts hooked up to a car battery? This is next gen shilling

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I will forever admire his ability to completely ignore what russians themselves say about a situation and forge his own reality.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is the case with virtually every Russia sympathiser living in the west, and why they're utterly worthless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You know what his countercope is: Something about Russians being always pessimistic, the Russian Spirit, yet always managing to win against overwhelming odds (insert historical analogy du jour)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's one of the reasons why you can usually just ignore most of them - whenever they're wrong, they won't continue to discuss about it, they'll just memory hole it and move on while pretending it never happened. They're like children in that sense, and arguing with them will never get you anything because they'll skulk away and come back whenever opportunity presents itself. You can't humiliate them into shutting up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Damn. I was wondering how much research I’d need to get a ballpark figure on the impact, but a Copelord proclamation of this magnitude? I mean, it’s not like he’s ever been right before.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy kek
        Monke could be hanging from a rope in the middle of red square and copelord would still be tweeting about how he's playing 5d chess and the wect will be finished in 2 weeks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I doubt any of this has disrupted production for more than an hour or two.
        Refineries confirmed for entirely out of commission

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly what I was thinking, this might actually be a lot bigger than it appears in terms of impact on the war given the wording of copelords response

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what kind of chemicals do they use for polishing canons?that stuff cannot be healty

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If Ukraine attacks Russian Industry then Russia will attack Industry centers in the west!!!

        What?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lets just say that his hair& brain cells are like russian refineries.they are sharply declining in numbers every day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >lets just say that his hair& brain cells are like russian refineries.they are sharply declining in numbers every day.
            Made me giggle

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If you think getting the entire 4th Tank Division stolen in 2022 was bad
            >Your mums boyfriend died on the outskirts of Avdiivka in 2023 was bad
            >Standby for the the great RUSSIAN REFINERY MALDING of 2024

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I wish they would.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >New Pentagon Strategy
        Yeah I bet the Ukrainians really needed American input on this one. Nobody has ever considered such an audacious idea as attacking the enemy's piggy bank.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just when I think he can't get any dumber. Either the Russians have some serious dirt on him, or he really hates his own country enough to embarrass himself like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hes been honeypotted by them, hes clearly got some "unconventional" sexual interests.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being some Russian spook who finally managed to get US Army officer under his influence after 4 year long operation costing over 9000 man hours and 4.2 million rubles (about 285 dollars). The said officer goes by the callsign "Vampire Six" so he must be important.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hes been honeypotted by them, hes clearly got some "unconventional" sexual interests.

          There's a 50% chance of that, but he could always just be a moronic homosexual. You can't discount just how many people are mentally fricked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >24 hour downtime
      1800 COME ON NOW

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      homie, I don't think you understand how engineering works

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How quickly can russia build nets around all of their oil production facilities? Can they do it faster than Ukraine is blowing them up?

      Hint: At current rate, Russia will have zero oil refining capacity within 2 weeks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I want to see them try anyway. It would be hilarious

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          With old tires strewn across the top of the nets, don't forget

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus christ....

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Think that's impressive?
              Check out this artisanal, bespoke smekalka,
              Notice the fine, descriminating choice of tires, the close adherence to form...
              Truly magnificent.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Looks like the shit I used to do to people who fell asleep at house parties

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Finally someone managed to get the ring onto the spike

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Son of a b***h

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what's the purpose of this?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To prove to your superior officers that you are doing something to protect your valuable air resources

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                but is there any advantage to it? as a layman it just looks stupid and potentially damaging to the aircraft.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >drone drops grenade
                >bounces off

                Only in cartoon logic world, but after everything I've seen of this war? I just shake my head

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Vanya we need to do SOMETHING
                >- Da, komrade lieutenant, I did thing!
                >Good, you can have this can of sprats and a bottle of vodka
                It’s like the people queueing to buy toilet paper a while ago, vague unease that demands action but no real idea what to do => do whatever, as long as you’re seen doing something because you’re at least aware of the problem or something

                In reality it’s 100% useless, of course

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not 100% useless. Only 95% useless. It DOES mask some of the signature given off by the plane, and at this point they are like "anything helps".
                If it fools the automated detection algorithm for a cursory glance, that's something. Obviously a human will see it instantly and get a small laugh out of it, but pattern recognition is not computer's strong suit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >mask a little the signature of an huge fighter in an airbase
                Anon...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The word you’re looking for is security theater.

                [...]
                Having your own refineries is also a national security thing, since crude is easier to acquire, you can make deals with countries for crude and secure your own refined supply.

                It’s completely a national security issue. And just a sort of thing that doesn’t get done in a kleptocracy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Turns a 3 hour repair job into a total loss tire fire. That way you don't have to lose your life to a patriot lobbing glide bombs at hohols.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >what's the purpose of this?

                Tires absorb radar waves, this prevents surface scanning radar satellites from spotting them. Optical spy satellites cannot see trough cloud cover, radar satellites can.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yuo see Ivan, they will never think to attacking the Michelin Man

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                plane was tired

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/WstzSpf.jpg

            Think that's impressive?
            Check out this artisanal, bespoke smekalka,
            Notice the fine, descriminating choice of tires, the close adherence to form...
            Truly magnificent.

            You know, Russia, we made these things called hangars in the West. Helps keep your very expensive investments safe.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No good, hangars already filled with Yachts. To keep safe from Wectern thieves.
              Only Russian SOVL would understand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >At current rate, Russia will have zero oil refining capacity within 2 weeks
        Why are people so gay with extrapolating shit. Life isn't linear you wienersuckers. A month ago refineries weren't even hit. And not all can be targeted by Ukraine now just due to geography and available weapons.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The drone will br forces to dig under the net

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this is true, walls just don't work bro
        we need unlicensed drone operation reform

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Fire 2 shots to create a hole
      >Let the drone fly through the hole

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'm sure the 24 hour downtime will cripple the Russian economy
    Just two more years

    You sound like you need a drink

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        is that how soes pee??? I imagined it would be more like a dog.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think most ungulates pee in that fashion, male or female

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            is that how soes pee??? I imagined it would be more like a dog.

            Female exactly like that, males look like it is coming out their belly button because of where their penis comes out.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i miss tire posting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tire posting
      never get tiring

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shill activity is increasing again today, I see. Every day swan lake comes closer

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    anon do your country an actual favor and join Shtorm Z instead of shitting up this board
    they'll take you, they take anyone, anyone, even convicts and druggies

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Black person

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    #ObsessedWithBBC
    a true

    [...]

    classic

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A very valid question in this day and age, so it's only natural that the thread gets derailed by shills, bots and people feeding them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone serious ITT should ignore the shills and morons.

      What can Russia realistically do to halt this?

      >nets
      Will take too long and be impractical
      >Shorad
      Possible, but will require pulling back much needed capacity from inside ukraine
      >Jamming/EW

      There were already some drones which landed near moscow- presumably were aimed at nearby oil facilities but got jammed

      I think their best bet is a combo of SHORAD (emphasis on improvised stuff like spotlights, shotguns and older AA) along with EW and some small nets around the most sensitive components like cracking towers

      The question is: how long will this take, and what other vulnerable oil infrastructure can ukraine target? When will Ukraine start targeting for instance, crude pipelines?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Shorad
        I can't wait for them to accidentally engage one of their own refineries

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cracking towers are the new forbidden heat signature

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What can Russia realistically do to halt this?

        Flak towers in a ring runt the refineries. Barrage balloons with nets could help by forcing the drone to climb.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just connect drone to cable, what do?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    stability

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drones-have-hit-12-russian-oil-refineries-kyiv-source-says-2024-03-17/

    That's 12 so far. Obviously "hit" does not mean "destroyed" but so far they seem to be able to target the parts that are most difficult to repair/replace, like distillery towers and cracking units and such. Lot's of high tech there, most of them built by foreign companies. Automated processes, computerized controls.

    So even if the damage is limited, it will likely mean a longer downtime as they have difficulties getting replacement parts. And that means reduced production, and that means less fuel for the military (and civillian markets). higher gas prices, more empty stations with "no fuel" signs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lot's of high tech there,

      High tech from the early 1900s.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes if you want to waist over half the crude and get massive black sooth plumes that frick air, land and water in several hundred km's than you can make do with early 1900's
        if you want to refine fuel in a way that you have an actual profit you are going to need more modern kit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >yes if you want to waist over half the crude and get massive black sooth plumes that frick air, land and water in several hundred km's-

          >russian siloviki: say no more, I want it done by next month, blyat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not having to deal with the suns warm life giving shine is probably a bonus to the orcs
            but the point still stands that older facilities simply aren't economically viable anymore
            >they care
            not necessarily but you can still hit those "newer" old tech ones and you are now sinking a lot of money building installations you are going to have to shut down

            I mean you can do vid related but I somehow doubt that you are going to keep the russian economy running on them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >VLADIMIR, CHOOSE BEAUTIFUL MODERN COUNTRY, OR NIGHTMARE SOVIET UNION FAILED STATE TOXIC WASTE DUMP.

            CYKA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >higher gas prices, more empty stations with "no fuel" signs.
      That's why they've blocked petroleum exports temporarily, to (try to) prevent exactly this

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://rocketnews24.com/2017/12/18/995339/

    https://rocketnews24.com/2016/11/06/822018/

    hey racist big alien eye face ADHD White ugly chimpanzee! Use a knife to have a nice day.do it !

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Deploy a fleet of self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (SPAAG) with advanced radar systems.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only six remaining within 1000 km range.
    Personaly rooting for Kinef

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How much of Russia's production comes from the ones in range?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The vast majority of Russian refinery capacity and markets is in European Russia, since that's where their main population centers are. What we're witnessing is a live demonstration of deindustrialization.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Enough that Russia is apparently considering rationing measures if the telegrams are to be believed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I’ve been trying to find a breakdown of plants by barrels per day. It’s been slow going, since the news articles so far all seem to focus on whatever plant just got hit, or on the total across the entire country. That said, it looks like well more than 50-70% of capacity is within the 1000km range, which makes sense.

        The vast majority of Russian refinery capacity and markets is in European Russia, since that's where their main population centers are. What we're witnessing is a live demonstration of deindustrialization.

        True, and it’s also closest to their (former) most prominent customer base. Which leads to the question: if only the far eastern refineries remain, how much hassle/added expense is transit across several thousand km to get it to the frontline and the Civilian industry that needs it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >rue, and it’s also closest to their (former) most prominent customer base. Which leads to the question: if only the far eastern refineries remain, how much hassle/added expense is transit across several thousand km to get it to the frontline and the Civilian industry that needs it?
          This is a a good point to check.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Which leads to the question: if only the far eastern refineries remain, how much hassle/added expense is transit across several thousand km to get it to the frontline and the Civilian industry that needs it?
          Does Russia have pipelines for transferring refined petroleum from east to west, or are their pipelines only for unrefined products and gas?

          Because if they don't have pipelines for transporting refined product then they'll have to rely on lots of very long trains, in a country with a railway system that is already highly strained by the logistics of supporting the war, In a country with long isolated train lines going through vast unprotected expanses of nothing.

          dis gon b gud

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dis gon b gud
            Kind of my takeaway on needing rail transit, too. As near as I can figure out so far the Soviet pipeline infrastructure was skewed towards that western part of Russia where 90% of the country lives, but be warned that I still haven’t found anything truly conclusive.
            Still looks like a shitshow in the making, though.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              here's a couple maps I collected, unverified & unsourced, but they should give some fundamental idea

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I picked this one up in 2014 when the question arose "Why Crimea & all those juicy petrodeposits?"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dis gon b gud
            Kind of my takeaway on needing rail transit, too. As near as I can figure out so far the Soviet pipeline infrastructure was skewed towards that western part of Russia where 90% of the country lives, but be warned that I still haven’t found anything truly conclusive.
            Still looks like a shitshow in the making, though.

            You know Lenin's slogan "Peace, Land, Bread!"
            The Bread part referenced a food shortage in the West, towards the end of Russia's part in WW1. Why was there a food shortage?
            Ah, that would be because the rail lines were tasked with transporting both War Material and Foodstuff. War Material won out.
            So the Russians of today will have a choice made for them, as well.
            >dis gon be gud
            Indeed...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is a pipeline under construction that ends in the port facility between Vladivostok and the Nork border coming from eastern Siberia if i'm not mistaken.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every refinery is in range if you launch from inside Russia.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Surely the Russian border is secure? R-right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            as secure as putin is destitute

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I imagine pic related got launched from inside puccia when they target those IL-76s

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >small cruise missile.
      I think a drone with an attitude and a lit gay end could shut these places down with a massive panic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if chink submarine launched cruise missiles have enough range to reach the Texas coast and the oil refineries and liquid natural gas shipping ports when launched from the Pacific near the Mexican coast.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So far as I can find their longest ranged sub launched cruise missile is the YJ18 with a top end range of ~540km. so probably not.
        even if they do have a weapon with sufficient range they would have a lot of obstacles.
        USN secret squirrel sub detection nets are an unknown quantity but we do know they were quite effective in the cold war.
        Chinese subs are known to be fairly loud
        it's likely any cruise missile they launch would be detected since they'd likely have to launch somewhere in the Gulf of Baha and that's a lot of civilian air traffic control radar to fly through, including getting somewhat close to Naval Air Station Corpus Christi.
        Relatively slow speed gives alert fighters a good amount of time to take it down, but I don't know what response times are like these days.
        I'd say it's a long shot.
        Not to mention North America as a whole has a lot of petro capacity and you'd have to do way better than blowing up one refinery to do much more than raise gas prices by 20 cents.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    these just stop oil activists are going a bit too far if you ask me

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's stopping the cartels from doing the same in America?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They have nothing to win.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would they for starters? The other reason is that doing so would put them at a real likelihood of getting designated a terrorist group, and even if they didn't it would see a massively coordinated response by both law enforcement and financial agencies to cripple them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >messing with american oil megacorporations
      good luck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not wanting to die I'd assume. They got a good deal with spooks, drugs flow and they get monies, but they dont frick with tourists or industry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They only exist because the CIA allows it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If oil tycoons stop making money how will their heirs and people working for hedge funds afford the coke?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did you forget the time that the Coca Cola corp. sent a PMC death squad to Colombia one time over unions stopping production?
      Imagine that but 500x worse if oil production is interrupted at all.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In the name of The United Fruit Company!
        GERONIMOOOO!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cartels like to keep a low profile in the US and let street gangs do most of the violent acts. They only get violent when directly threatened.
      Cartel violence would also spur the US political environment and would only lead to more support for stricter immigration laws and tougher/broader border security.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so what happens when Russia's oil refinery capacity is reduced to 1/3?

    Do they just switch to crude oil engines?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >switch
      They were already there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >crude oil engines

      how does that work? Crude oil isn't "standardized" like refined oil because of al the different elements (like sulfur) that are found in each crude extraction site.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look up "Hit and Miss" engines. Their primitive, can run on basically anything, and are nearly indestructible. They can run basically forever with minimal repairs or down time. You used to see them all over regions where oil and gas wells were setup, the derricks were all powered off gas and crude oil coming off the well heads. Their only flaw is that their low horsepower and heavy. You also have to constantly add water to keep them cool.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Do they just switch to crude oil engines?
      They'll use crude oil export revenue to buy petroleum from abroad. Not a joke. USSR use the same oil revenue to buy wheat in US and Canada (because commie economy suck much dick, especially in agriculture).

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's been said khokhols are taking out distillation columns, the manufacture of one of those takes several months to a year. Like, you can probably cut corners and do it faster but you will NOT get a new one in less than a couple of months because thats how long it takes and there aren't just spare ones lying around. The next bit is even funnier because russians were known to rely on western companies for the installation of this kind of machinery which will be highly problematic now. They basically need to beg the Chinese to help them out.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Simply avoid invading your neighbors m. It’s that easy

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmao is that really all the refineries in le mighty Pussia? No fricking way, even single states in the USA have more.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Okay, I'll bite.

      Which US state has over 36 refineries?

      According to EIA there are 125 refineries in the US. With that, the ratio isn't too far off with russia having around 30% of US refining capacity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Which US state has over 36 refineries?
        Texas
        https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/rcn-db.pdf

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ahem

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so 100 mil tons refinery capacity is already wasted

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's unironically over for Russia in two more weeks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But Ukraine hasn't hit any more refineries. It could be that they used up all their long range drones on this effort and now they'll have to wait months before another strike.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sorry, but this sounds a lot like wishful thinking

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >anyone puncturing my bubble is wishful thinking
          Cheerleading a team doesn't win wars. Ask yourself why optempo isn't faster.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thanks for outing yourself as Kremlin "cheerleader"
            maybe you listen to your own words and reconsider your choices

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >anyone who talks about logistics is a russian shill
              Listen to yourself. Grow up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukraine blows up 25% of Russia's capacity in two weeks
            >Russia blows up 3 tanks, 3 helicopters, grandma, and her dog.

            H-ha ha, a-h'ha ha... ha WOW... bros what's TAKING Ukraine so long? Come on Ukraine, hurry up and show us what you've got! That's it? Fricking weak!

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    which refinery will be next?
    make your bets

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    move them outside of the operating range of the drones

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Best bet would be a CRAM style system set with specific firing arcs to prevent self ownage in combination with nets around the facility at least 40 meters high.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically, but they don't need to anything.
    1. Those refineries don't matter that much _in the grand scheme of things_. Sure, they'll have less petroleum, but they won't lose all of it, because some of the refineries are outside the range that Ukraine can hit. Some are in bumfrick shitholes like Omsk, some are even further away closer to Vladivostok.
    2. To hit russia hard you need to frick over their oil production, not refining. Because oil is what gives them hundreds of billions of dollars of export revenue, not petroleum. And those production (pumping) facilities are in far away shitholes which can't be reached by drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the ukies have already carried out drone attacks from inside russia so distance isn't a guarantee for safety

      they do get most of their money from exports but just like any more or less modern economy, their economy runs on petroleum.
      If they can't keep up with production for the domestic market there will have or ration or import and eat the cost.
      It isn't a war winner in and of it's self but it has the possibility to seriously frick up their economy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the ukies have already carried out drone attacks from inside russia so distance isn't a guarantee for safety
        Trust me, the distances are just too big for shitty drones, even if you somehow launch one from inside russia - you won't be able to get the drone to the city with the production facilities, because those cities are in bumfrick locations where people often don't even live, nobody travels there for shits and giggles, they go there to work on 3-6 month shifts, with the company providing transport and shit.

        >but just like any more or less modern economy, their economy runs on petroleum.
        Pidors continue to receive hundreds of billions of dollars worth of export revenue. They can import petroleum like cucks from Kazakhstan and such. They have the money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Trust me, the distances are just too big for shitty drones
          the ukies have a 200km round trip scout drone that fly missions without any sort of outside direction.
          said drone fits in a couple of gun cases
          You could smuggle one it, program it to fly to the refinery at the height of the level of the distillery tower you want to hit.
          Carrying the payload will reduce the range of the drone but 120-150 km seems feasible.
          Can you get every one of the refineries like this? No, but you can get enough of them too frick with the russian to the point that they are running at 1/3 or less pre war capacity.

          They can still import to make up the difference but refined fuel costs a pretty penny more than crude oil. So that is going to eat into the russian budget, a budget that is already going into the red like crazy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh, please check where Omsk, Surgut, Khabarovsk, Komsomolsk and other shit it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you can't get within 150 km of those places with a suitcase or two

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                1. Some of them don't even have actual road to them.
                2. Most drones used for this won't fit into a suitcase or two.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Some of them don't even have actual road to them
                yes and I pointed out that you don't need to hit all of them to frick up the russians
                >Most drones used for this won't fit into a suitcase or two
                the drone I mentioned is being set up at around min 9 in this video.

                you can fit in a suitcase or two

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >And those production (pumping) facilities are in far away shitholes which can't be reached by drones.
      Yes of course. Everybody knows to destroy the production facilities you need three Azerbaijani mujaheddin

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Idk if small drone attacks are good response to full scale invasion

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Small insertions into much much larger bodies describes your sex life.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just woke up. No refinery getting blow up today? I'm a bit disappointed tbh, it was like a comfy ritual while eating my croissants. Should I go back to watch suicideniks webms?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Should I go back to watch suicideniks webms?
      Is there ever a bad time to eat croissants and watch suicideniks webms?

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