>muh wrestling >muh weakpoint
while you try to attack a tiny slit with your dagger, he attacks any point on your body with his sword
this will not end well for you in 99% of situations
>a body covered in metal plates is a weapon in on itself.
I just realized how annoying it would be to try to wrestle someone who has that point on their helmet. If you're unarmored yourself, that would be very scary.
multiple dudes
if you dont have multiple dudes. Grappling
the scary thing about fighting a knight in armor as a peasant isnt exactly the superior equipment as much as it is that the person behind the armor will likely be 20 lbs heavier than you and have 10 years of fighting experience in his belt.
if youre more skilled than the knight and you have a weapon but less armor you will still beat the shit out of the well armored dude in a 1v1.
The value of armor is in preventing "lucky" blows like stray arrows or a spear you didnt see in the chaotic battlefield. But in a 1v1 melee it doesnt matter as much as skill and strength
Lol no. Armor is fucking invaluable in a 1v1 fight because it kets you completely ignore defending some of your body. You can outright throw your arm into most weapons if you're in harness and be fine, or disregard pretty much anything being thrown at you single handed and just kill the other bastard while he's open.
your almost not completely fucking wrong. Being more skilled doesnt make your steel sharper. Gear matters, then physical quality, then skill.
Skill is and has always been down on the list of most important things for personal combat. And if you expand it small groups or full blown warefare, then personal skill becomes maybe the least important factor. British troops didnt have 10 times a 100 times more skill than Zulu warriors who had trained their whole lives, they had guns, and an empire of logistics.
Not really, defeated knights were usually taken to be ransomed. Otherwise, once a knight is down in the dirt, you'd need either a warpick/warhammer to pierce the plate or just a dogpile with a couple daggers, stick em in the plate jounts and bleed em'.
Important to note is that you can't really a knight that's still up and about and swinging his (probably superior) weapon about, without taking horrid casualties.
No. Knights on foot aren't even vaguely clumsy. I own plate, I can run, jump, climb, do pullups, whatever. Literally the only things I can't do are swim or sit comfortably on a couch. Some unarmored retard closing on me is going to die unless I don't know he's there, he has a LOT of friends, or I'm exhausted/stuck under a horse.
You use a purpose-made weapon for it, like the one the guy is holding. Duh.
Also you better be wearing armor yourself, otherwise you're at a tremendous disadvantage. Duh.
Knights have a few counters:
Bad terrain/mud + archers (agincourt)
Overran in a melee while exhausted or otherwise encumbered (mud, distracted, stuck under dead horse)
Other knights with better kit, ability or numbers
At Agincourt and Crecy, the archers ran out of arrows and joined the melee fight. The fontlines taking the brunt of the assaults were all dismounted guys like OP’s pic.
The english victories were mostly due to a combination of defensive advantages, a static position avoiding the risk of disorganisation inherent to an assault with middle age type of armies, and united troops resulting from being ounumbered in a foreign land and having worked together for a whole raid.
The French defeats were mostly due to their feudal disorganisation and lack of experience at army level battles. The longbow wasn’t the decisive weapon of the future, and their effect is a bite overblown: they didn’t stoped French knight assaults, english knights did.
Who wants to watch this? >Oh yeah he just totally beheaded that horse, so cool!
They make such stupid movies that are not enjoyable ways of spending your time
Given the time period, he usually was the guy on the horse. Fully armored knights usually didn’t dismount until the odds of getting flanked by enemy cavalry were reasonably low, usually for that exact reason. Kind of like how non-retarded nations typically don’t deploy armor without infantry support and air cover
With a hand cannon and an easily defendable position. Failing that, obliterating his liver with a warhammer or pole arm. If I’m armored up as well, tackle him to the ground and shove a rondel through his visor of under his armpit.
Use force thaumaturgy to knock him on his ass and then get in some downward strikes with a sledgehammer or maul; Derrin can also keep him busy while you try to go around to his side and hit him. If you can't find a weapon with decent crush or impact this'll work just as well.
Seriously, you need to stack advantages like surprise, numbers, specialized weapons, favorable terrain, and being better rested. Remember that better armor is often worn by better fighters so someone in full plate has probably been training from childhood as well so don't you Dare feel bad about fighting dirty.
Something like this was actually a thing. If a knight didn't pay a loan back to another knight, the obligee could insult him until he will pay. Insulting someone like this when he didn't owe you anything was punished with same wergild as murder.
The ”neckmail” is part of the helmet, with padding underneath. It’s worn above the cuirass and the mail. It’s nice to be able to quickly put on and remove your helmet, cause fighting is like 0.00001% of your life.
Don’t worry, if you’re in a situation where a blade can sneak under toward your neck, there’s plenty more uncovered areas with a far easier access to kill you.
>Ridiculous
It's really not, you're not getting at any of that from the front without extreme difficulty. And really, that suit is fucked. Armholes too big, no culet, ect.
A large, blunt object ought to do the trick. Preferably mounted on the end of a stick for easier use. If you're feeling fancy you can put a point on the end so you can stab while you smash.
Why has nobody mentioned a halberd or pollaxe yet? Go ask Charles the Bold how well his "clothes ought to make you unable to hurt him" worked out versus the Swiss levies.
We literally have records of duels where people were hit 20+ times with a poleaxe and kept fighting. They aren't some magical anti armor weapon, the reality is you're usually STILL going to have to grapple.
you dont, unless you have superior numbers
>muh wrestling
>muh weakpoint
while you try to attack a tiny slit with your dagger, he attacks any point on your body with his sword
this will not end well for you in 99% of situations
Shoot him from afar or tire him out.
Even if you try to do as
suggests, a body covered in metal plates is a weapon in on itself.
>a body covered in metal plates is a weapon in on itself.
I just realized how annoying it would be to try to wrestle someone who has that point on their helmet. If you're unarmored yourself, that would be very scary.
multiple dudes
if you dont have multiple dudes. Grappling
the scary thing about fighting a knight in armor as a peasant isnt exactly the superior equipment as much as it is that the person behind the armor will likely be 20 lbs heavier than you and have 10 years of fighting experience in his belt.
if youre more skilled than the knight and you have a weapon but less armor you will still beat the shit out of the well armored dude in a 1v1.
The value of armor is in preventing "lucky" blows like stray arrows or a spear you didnt see in the chaotic battlefield. But in a 1v1 melee it doesnt matter as much as skill and strength
Lol no. Armor is fucking invaluable in a 1v1 fight because it kets you completely ignore defending some of your body. You can outright throw your arm into most weapons if you're in harness and be fine, or disregard pretty much anything being thrown at you single handed and just kill the other bastard while he's open.
your almost not completely fucking wrong. Being more skilled doesnt make your steel sharper. Gear matters, then physical quality, then skill.
Skill is and has always been down on the list of most important things for personal combat. And if you expand it small groups or full blown warefare, then personal skill becomes maybe the least important factor. British troops didnt have 10 times a 100 times more skill than Zulu warriors who had trained their whole lives, they had guns, and an empire of logistics.
Shoot his horse out from under him and watch him drown in the mud.
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What if it's dry ?
Then you hope that the poor bastards by the front can get on top of him before he gets up/out from underneath his horse.
Wait, according to Hollywood, middleages were dark, brown-grey and muddy.
>dark, brown, grey, and muddy
So, England?
Dry? On the english isles? Don't be silly now.
Was there a kind of warrior who specialized in killing clumsy dismounted knights? After all, such knight is still alive, just less mobile.
Not really, defeated knights were usually taken to be ransomed. Otherwise, once a knight is down in the dirt, you'd need either a warpick/warhammer to pierce the plate or just a dogpile with a couple daggers, stick em in the plate jounts and bleed em'.
Important to note is that you can't really a knight that's still up and about and swinging his (probably superior) weapon about, without taking horrid casualties.
No. Knights on foot aren't even vaguely clumsy. I own plate, I can run, jump, climb, do pullups, whatever. Literally the only things I can't do are swim or sit comfortably on a couch. Some unarmored retard closing on me is going to die unless I don't know he's there, he has a LOT of friends, or I'm exhausted/stuck under a horse.
You idiot, I can just attack you when you’re on your couch or at the swimming pool than. What a waste of your money.
>Implying I swim and don't just sit poolside to make eye contact with thots
>Implying I don't just sit on the couch anyway
Checkmate, peasant
Picrel defeats you and OP.
What if the knight is not a pedo?
Blonde mommy in a pink tank and jean short? That'll defeat anyone
Dismounted men-at-arms were anything but vulnerable. It was a big part of their doctrine in the late medieval/early Renaissance to dismount and fight.
There is ought you can do.
Push him into a body of water deep enough that he will drown.
>MFW some pampered nobleman in steel outfit tries to start some shit
You use a purpose-made weapon for it, like the one the guy is holding. Duh.
Also you better be wearing armor yourself, otherwise you're at a tremendous disadvantage. Duh.
You take weapons that can hurt him and politely inform him that he was misinformed when he was told that it ought to make him invincible.
Plant yourself on a plain surrounded by muddy fields and laugh.
t.Henry V
Agincourt, 1415, colourized
That wizard just turned the ground to quick sand
Wrestle him on the ground, open visor, stick blade into his face.
Knights have a few counters:
Bad terrain/mud + archers (agincourt)
Overran in a melee while exhausted or otherwise encumbered (mud, distracted, stuck under dead horse)
Other knights with better kit, ability or numbers
At Agincourt and Crecy, the archers ran out of arrows and joined the melee fight. The fontlines taking the brunt of the assaults were all dismounted guys like OP’s pic.
The english victories were mostly due to a combination of defensive advantages, a static position avoiding the risk of disorganisation inherent to an assault with middle age type of armies, and united troops resulting from being ounumbered in a foreign land and having worked together for a whole raid.
The French defeats were mostly due to their feudal disorganisation and lack of experience at army level battles. The longbow wasn’t the decisive weapon of the future, and their effect is a bite overblown: they didn’t stoped French knight assaults, english knights did.
Since he's on foot, I could easily run him down with a horse. Plate armor or not, getting slammed by a charging 1300lbs beast is no joke.
What if he's a big guy?
Why is the horse complete again when it goes down?
he sliced head off so fast that cells didn't realize they got sliced and rejoined again
Magnets.
Don't ask me how they work.
Who wants to watch this?
>Oh yeah he just totally beheaded that horse, so cool!
They make such stupid movies that are not enjoyable ways of spending your time
Given the time period, he usually was the guy on the horse. Fully armored knights usually didn’t dismount until the odds of getting flanked by enemy cavalry were reasonably low, usually for that exact reason. Kind of like how non-retarded nations typically don’t deploy armor without infantry support and air cover
Warhammer
Gun
Bomb
Crossbow
Warhammer to the head or get the lads together and rush him with picks
With a hand cannon and an easily defendable position. Failing that, obliterating his liver with a warhammer or pole arm. If I’m armored up as well, tackle him to the ground and shove a rondel through his visor of under his armpit.
Why does he wear a skirt? What a fag.
Blunt force trauma
Fuck outta here laceration fags
Pound the pommel of your sword on his helmet until he can't see straight.
Hope he's incompetent enough to let you get him on the ground. More plausibly, outnumber him.
Nothing ye olde Handgonne can’t solve.
>Check out this powder I bought from a israelite in Constantinople
>powder I bought from a israelite in Constantinople
That's how you catch plague and incur the wrath of God upon your village, anon.
I can't catch the Plague, I've got a stone with a hole in it!
Use force thaumaturgy to knock him on his ass and then get in some downward strikes with a sledgehammer or maul; Derrin can also keep him busy while you try to go around to his side and hit him. If you can't find a weapon with decent crush or impact this'll work just as well.
With Great Difficulty.
Seriously, you need to stack advantages like surprise, numbers, specialized weapons, favorable terrain, and being better rested. Remember that better armor is often worn by better fighters so someone in full plate has probably been training from childhood as well so don't you Dare feel bad about fighting dirty.
Lure them into very muddy terrain of even better a swamp
make fun of him and hurt his feelings!
Something like this was actually a thing. If a knight didn't pay a loan back to another knight, the obligee could insult him until he will pay. Insulting someone like this when he didn't owe you anything was punished with same wergild as murder.
Pin 'em and hit 'em.
THE DESIGN IS VERY HUMAN
You use weapons thst can actually hurt him
Gun
Shouldn't he wear this neck mail under the breast plate? It would prevent a sword from slicking under the mail.
The ”neckmail” is part of the helmet, with padding underneath. It’s worn above the cuirass and the mail. It’s nice to be able to quickly put on and remove your helmet, cause fighting is like 0.00001% of your life.
Don’t worry, if you’re in a situation where a blade can sneak under toward your neck, there’s plenty more uncovered areas with a far easier access to kill you.
>there’s plenty more uncovered areas with a far easier access to kill you
What exactly (besides eyes)?
Holy shit, that's ridiculous. I guess knights who didn't want to get killed had mail sewn to their gambesons to protect weak spots.
>Ridiculous
It's really not, you're not getting at any of that from the front without extreme difficulty. And really, that suit is fucked. Armholes too big, no culet, ect.
There are both
A large, blunt object ought to do the trick. Preferably mounted on the end of a stick for easier use. If you're feeling fancy you can put a point on the end so you can stab while you smash.
Why has nobody mentioned a halberd or pollaxe yet? Go ask Charles the Bold how well his "clothes ought to make you unable to hurt him" worked out versus the Swiss levies.
We literally have records of duels where people were hit 20+ times with a poleaxe and kept fighting. They aren't some magical anti armor weapon, the reality is you're usually STILL going to have to grapple.
Pin them down and fart into their face mask until they give up
Burn him alive,
Bludgeon damage shouldalso still be effective as well
Is this board retarded? The obvious answer is to just bash him with a heavy war hammer
a cannon
Molotov cocktail.