I feel like no one under the age of 50 cares at all about single shot cartridge guns, which is a shame because they offer several advantages over other firearm types. Is it even possible to convince people or should single shot enjoyers just keep it to themselves?
Make a sequel to Zulu
Making them cheaper than bolt actions would be a good start.
CVA Scouts costs 300$, come with stainless CHF Bergara barrels and a better trigger than any bolt gun you'll find sub $1k
Filtered.
>being four to six inches shorter with the same barrel length
>simpler, lighter
>some offer swappable chambering (way beyond what an AR can do)
>no worries about magazine length or feeding so you can put all your crazy handloads with no issue
>CVA Scouts costs 300$, come with stainless CHF Bergara barrels and a better trigger than any bolt gun you'll find sub $1k
>Laughter in Savage Arms
Make single shot guns $150 and people might care.
>Filtered.
Lost the plot.
I am under that age and I care
They're just more expensive than post-1900s firearms and much less of them exist compared to all other firearms. And the ammo is VERY expensive if you don't make it yourself
This
>Making them cheaper than bolt actions would be a good start.
>Sharps or Rem rolling block for $400? FUCK YES!
Thread/
Even Henry single shots are too expensive for what they are
I dare you to find another American-made gun with blued steel barrel, milled steel receiver, American walnut stocks, and iron sights for a better price
>break-action
Yeah, no thanks.
My problem with it is that it's not even a copy of a historical single shot rifle
Shut the fuck up they offer no advantages and you’re too poor and stupid to make use of any supposed ones. Stop making this boring ass thread.
>Shut the fuck up they offer no advantages
He's right they do offer advantages, for example stronger actions or they are better platforms for silencers or experimenting with multiple calibres like the contender. Please under stand in teh real world AR/Glock gays are the very bottom tier of gun owners and knowledge right down there beside noguns and vidya players.
>or they are better platforms for silencers
They are not. There is no advantage to a single shot over manual cycling from a mag or tube when it comes to suppression. They're all identical in terms of not depending on gas for operation and thus immune to backpressure considerations.
>which is a shame because they offer several advantages over other firearm types
Like?
Sex factor, and they're a lot easier chamber in really powerful and boutique cartridges.
old single shots have the sex factor, but new ones don't. New single shots can have a low price, but old ones don't. It is an unfortunate balance.
considering single shot 12 gauges are 150 I don't see why that would be difficult
shut up fag
>old single shots have the sex factor, but new ones don't.
Wrong
Make modern copies of the Berdan, Martini-Henry, Gras, etc. etc. that are shootable without having giga autism or being a millionaire.
That's basically the only one
>That's basically the only one
>Martini-Henry
>shootable without having giga autism or being a millionaire.
This is 100% what I'm saying.
If some motherfucker out there could put together a Martini for me in like 308 and have it cost $750 or less, I'd legitimately buy one tomorrow.
I'd go to California and hand select some Redwood burl wood blanks to make polished figures stocks for it.
Imagine if they set one up with some kind of savage-style barrel system, so I could swap the barrel out for 8.6blackout, and have a 10" barrel suppressed Martini Henry, or 6.5Creed and have a 24" super-sniper Martini Henry.
God this is honestly what I want.
It's all I've EVER wanted.
sexo
>Sex factor
I think they look worse then bolts. At any rate that's not an "advantage" just your subjective (wrong) taste.
>and they're a lot easier chamber in really powerful and boutique cartridges.
Ie, stupid expensive ones for no actual benefit. One can get bolts or even semis in as powerful a cartridge as a civilian can legally have already. There are lots of super interesting reload options that fit easily within conventional systems as well. Bolts are super trivial to swap around.
If you are super into reloading really strange stuff for your own fun price be damned and you really like single shot then hats off to you, enjoy. Seriously. But you should not be surprised either that that's a niche within a niche within a niche. Most don't even reload at all, let alone reload off the beaten path, let alone reload so far off the beaten path such a thing might be of value to them.
>I think they look worse then bolts.
How little you know
I'd love a Dreyse, now let me get my wallet out and I'll just…OH MY GOD
Thats only like $100 more than a nice AR
That's an early bid not a final price
Oh, damn. Maybe look for other needle rifles like Chassepots or Carcanos.
Yeah they go for cheaper, but watching those numbers go up and up from autists who just can't let poorfags win gives me crippling depression
I have one of his civilian designs, small lil thing. Think they call it a "lady gun"
>>I think they look worse then bolts.
>How little you know
I don't understand what your point is here anon. Are you trying to tell me the Dreyse looks bad and I shouldn't think it or other bolts look better than single shot?
Ok, I'll spell it out for you. Having a bolt action and being single shot are not mutually exclusive. There are many single shot bolt actions. Any action can be made single shot.
Sure in theory you could have a gas operated fully automatic capable single shot gun but why. And for 1800s guns like that not having a magazine is fine and there is historic value, but OP's isn't a fucking 1800s gun it's modern as fuck and a rifle. And their response to being asked about advantages wasn't mag capable either. The context here is brand new rifles, what is the advantage of actively getting rid of a magazine for an action that is perfectly capable of running with one if that's your question? Minimum OAL with max barrel is the best shown so far and makes sense, it's just a hell of a premium for a very small advantage.
I don't care what OP said. You implied that bolt actions can't be single shot and thats what I was correcting you on.
>Sure in theory you could have a gas operated fully automatic capable single shot gun but why.
Recoil management and case extraction come to mind. Case extraction can be difficult on the more extreme end of high powered rifle cartridges, and advance primer ignition can greatly decrease the recoil of a weapon but would be completely illegal to manufacture on a civilian weapon due to machine gun laws.
>what is the advantage of actively getting rid of a magazine for an action that is perfectly capable of running with one if that's your question
"Getting rid" implies that the action started life with a magazine and it was removed. If the weapon is a new design it may simply never have a magazine. As to why: increases cost of manufacture, adds weight to the firearm, and requires the firearm to be built around it. You need to have space alloted for the external magazine or for an area to load the internal magazine, which can interfere with scopes or where the shooter places his hand.
>it's just a hell of a premium for a very small advantage.
Is it though. There are plenty of scenarios in which repeating fire isn't needed. This is why target shooters often use single shots, they don't need to make followup shots.
>I don't care what OP said. You implied that bolt actions can't be single shot and thats what I was correcting you on.
No, you just are a WELL AKSHUALLY sperg who can't read context.
>As to why: increases cost of manufacture, adds weight to the firearm, and requires the firearm to be built around it. You need to have space alloted for the external magazine or for an area to load the internal magazine, which can interfere with scopes or where the shooter places his hand.
This is all theorycraft though, not real. In real life, BOM is a tiny tiny fraction of the cost of any gun. What determines actual cost mostly comes down to mass manufacture or not. Mag fed guns are superior and in more demand in nearly every situation, are thus orders of magnitude more popular, and in turn very well shooting ones can be had very cheaply. They have enormously more gun options to fit any need or niche as well.
>Is it though.
Yes, it is. Like, that's objective reality anon. That single shots aren't popular vs mag fed rifles is just fact.
>min OAL with max barrel
why would adding a magazine increase OAL? I can't think of basically any funs with mag behind action
>why would adding a magazine increase OAL? I can't think of basically any funs with mag behind action
Look at
. That thing will do up to 300 RUM, serious rounds, and OAL is 1.57" longer than barrel. Compared to the falling block that has, even the most simple mechanism on a mag fed gun needs more than 1.5" for extractor and cycling. That is indeed neat.
But also still niche for a bunch of tradeoffs, I'd rather have a mag bolt bullpup. The weight is very light, but it's so light recoil is much worse. Barrel length is only helpful if you're pushing enough range for something to drop through transsonic transition without squeezing a touch more MV, but for that kind of range shaving off a few lbs/inches isn't as important anyway.
It's cool though.
>How little you know
Opinion vs objective fact, learn to google.
>Sex factor
Mauser 98
>and they're a lot easier chamber in really powerful and boutique cartridges.
Mauser 98
they're very expensive
>be quality single-shot weapon
>be relatively hard to get
>be relatively expensive
>be chambered in fuckoff powerful rounds that are also hard to get and expensive
>"Y no younger people liek????"
Idiot OP
OP is probably talking about the cheaper options and using readily available rounds, which is retarded since the best use that most have found for this kind of gun is to test custom handloads like
laid out.
Autism more than likely.
Every person I showed my single shot loved it. In Europe they are known as kipplauf but very expensive for a good one. PrepHole is not real life and most people here do not own or shoot guns of any kind.
>people here aren't interested in my fav gun because they don't own or shoot guns
OP what the actual fuck is wrong with you
Not that guy but yes, that makes plenty of sense to me.
Why would I own your shitty gun when I can buy other vintage European stuff your countries ban?
If I want a full power rifle I’ll get a k98 not eurofud nonsense
>other vintage European stuff your countries ban?
There actually aren't many Euro countries with outright handgun bans
No but many like Germany make them the hardest type of legal gun to get and so they’re unavailable to near all
Used to be a lot easier in Germany too, they're just turbocucked in every way now
>PrepHole is not real life and most people here do not own or shoot guns of any kind.
But I do own guns and I have shot guns.
Go away, gay.
>You will never convince nogun zoomers, reddit invaders, and gpt bots of anything, ever.
Single shots are dumb.
Box Magazines are better, No guns is a dumb insult because a fucking nail gun is still a gun, dumb gay.
Call it a firearm you fucking illiterate.
you have to play to their strengths, which is mostly hilarious reloadability, I don't know how many whippersnappers are into reloading and/or weird calibers. they are great platforms for suppression, but again, we are looking at a small vinn diagram to capture. I'd like one in .44mag, .350L, and .45-70.
You will never convince nogun zoomers, reddit invaders, and gpt bots of anything, ever.
Why would a 20 year old who more than likely just shoots his AR with factory ammo care?
I want to sell my Buffalo Classic towards an 1886, somewhere down the road
price tag on them loses favor quickly
I'm a Euro noguns (no, airguns don't count), but the one singleshot I'm fascinated with is the Pfeifer SR2. See the hinge at the back? that's where you load it. you get a full 66cm barrel length at an OAL of 70cm.
>Euro noguns
post country and what the fuck is wrong with that trigger
Germany. and that reverse "trigger" is the cocking lever. you carry the rifle loaded but decocked, and only cock it when you're ready. the button is the actual trigger. light trigger pull at 500 gram (about 1 lb), if you buy the optional adjustable trigger you can even go down to 150g.
yeah, i checked and they're really expensive with the basic model being over 3k (see pic related), and all sorts of custom options cost extra. the base price almost doubles if you want a carbon fiber stock.
Even if all regulations on guns were to be abolished here tomorrow I wouldnt buy one, it's just not reasonable to me. but cool to look at nonetheless
Italy also has one. It is very expensive from what I know.
Is that a FAMAS?
>I'm a Euro noguns (no, airguns don't count), but the one singleshot I'm fascinated with is the Pfeifer SR2. See the hinge at the back? that's where you load it. you get a full 66cm barrel length at an OAL of 70cm.
One of the few that's actually cool, but isn't that and the italian one damn expensive? You have to really love the whole system and setup and be counting every single inch and gram. Or else own everything else you want already.
>I'm a Euro noguns (no, airguns don't count)
Air guns fucking count.
https://wikidiff.com/firearm/gun
LEARN HOW TO USE THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE YOU FUCKING SAVAGE.
lust-provoking image
irrelevant, time-wasting question
aren't contenders getting hard to come by nowadays? single shots only really make sense for swappable barrels or cheapo shotguns
>aren't contenders getting hard to come by nowadays?
Yeah. SSK just started manufacturing a clone again, but they're charging something like $1800 per receiver, which is ridiculous.
What advantage do they offer over other firearms?
>what advantage
Buy yourself a M249 anon, it is the most advantageous firearm you can buy
>OP: single shot rifles offer several advantages over other firearm types
>Anon: What advantages are these?
>You: OH WELL WHY DON'T YOU BUY A SAW AND HAVE ALL OF THE ADVANTAGES HUH
bruh you might actually be retarded
He already answered your questions
counter
For me the act of operating a bolt is great as well. Me and the gun, without taking eyes off the target, the act of reaching up to the big lever and cycling as part of the whole sequence, dunno, really gets me in a different zone. I don't expect anyone else to feel that way about bolts by it's almost like a ritual somehow that feels great. I assume for some people opening up a single shot or turning and operating a lever can also be like that but it'd be a different ritual then mine is all.
>subjective aesthetics and a niche of a niche application that a bolt gun can be used for 99% of the time
Wow I'm sold.
>He already answered your questions
Sex factor is not an advantage as that is an opinion over actual use case and form.
>MUH SEX FACTOR.
Subjective as fucking hell.
>He already answered your questions
Also you said SEVERAL, you gave only one, and that was not even an advantage, just an opinion.
>Buy yourself a M249 anon, it is the most advantageous firearm you can buy
>DUDE BRO WHAT DO YOU MEAN DIFFERENT FIREARMS AND DIFFERENT GUNS OFFER DIFFERENT UTILITY USE CASE.
Holy fucking shit fuck.
I need to use a nail gun to drive nails into the wall, an AKM would not be used to drive nails into wood.
However an AKM can be used to not only hunt but to defend myself.
IN SOME JURISDICTIONS, I cannot use an AKM to hunt and some animals cannot be harvested when shot with 7.62x39mm.
So MAYBE using a fucking .22LR or 12 gauge birdshot is a better idea than using a fucking Belt fed which is A) hella expensive and B) hella fucking shit to carry through the woods over the hills and shit.
GOD FUCKING DAMN I hate this fucking site so fucking much, bunch of fucking cock sucking, slack jawed fucking nit picking gay fucks.
I aint using a fucking Elephant rifle to snag a few hares for food, I aint using a fucking NAIL GUN to shoot long range competitions.
WHAT DOES A SINGLE SHOT OFFER OVER MODERN, BOLT ACTION, BOX MAGAZINE RIFLES.
Jesus fuck.
None really. In the case of the T/C Encore, the receiver stretched if you used the bigger cartridges and heavier loads. Eventually this could result in a catastrophic failure, i.e., kaboom.
About the only real positive I can think of is for training new shooters. You don't have to worry about your eight-year-old not realizing the gun is still loaded after he fires that one round off.
Advantages like what?
>How do we get more people interested in single shots?
Make make it tacticoool and arm the hero with it in a wildly popular movie series?
But ask yourself, do you really want something to become popular? Seems every time something becomes cool and mainstream, it's quality suffers greatly, driving out the passionate fans to find new, unspoiled hobbies.
I only like them if they can be suppressed and fit in a backpack because in my country it's forbidden to shoot on public land but only if you get caught
How do you like the little badger anon?
It's not a great gun but it's perfect for the purpose I bought it for. Fits in a regular backpack and with a suppressor and CCI Quiets it's movie silent.
I have shot it in my parents' backyard without the neighbors noticing
>only if you get caught
The most dangerous game.
Bring back Alofs reloader. It's soul.
Not enough people would buy it. Companies need to make money
The turks have brought it back, import to america is inevitable imo
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/05/18/sulun-arms-auslof/
A site in Canada has been selling them here already and with a 13 inch barrel option.
https://www.tacticalimports.ca/nonrestricted-firearms-c-1/auslof-p-717.html
Sulun also makes double barrel shotguns (both side by side and over under) and a revolver shotgun with 10 inch barrels, which are legal in Canada. It is one of the few ways Canada has better gun laws than the US. However, only factory manufactured barrels can be under 18 inches, if you saw off a shotgun yourself to 10 inches that is illegal, you can saw it down to 20 inches though. This is retarded and you could have two identical guns of the exact same model and barrel length, but one with a factory barrel and one with a sawed off one, and the sawed off is illegal while the factory one is fine.
Semi autos also become restricted class once they have a barrel under 18.5 inches, which means they must registered, there is additional licensing requirements and transport restrictions, which is all just a pain in the ass.
Sex, Frank?
Hey you get down the fiddle and you get down the bow
Kick off your shoes and throw 'em on the floor,
Dance in the kitchen till morning light,
Louisiana Saturday night.
Waiting in the front yard sitting on a log,
Single-shot rifle and a one-eyed dog
Yonder come the kinfolk, in the moonlight,
Louisiana Saturday night.
My brother Bill and my other brother Jack,
Belly full of beer and a possum in a sack,
Fifteen kids in the front porch light,
Louisiana Saturday night.
I've had my eye on some of those old Stevens single shot 22s at guns shows but I ain't paying $600 for one
I did.
It's a nice little thing but I don't shoot it often enough
I've always wanted one of these, they're so neat.
I just make do with my ever growing collection of $150 H&R/NEF singles.
I've got four now lol.
Felt a bit bad dropping 600€ on another .22 rifle but they're really neat
God I could thread the end of that thing for a suppressor and just plink off my back porch until the end of time as a happy man.
Tempted to do it because I like the Stevens a lot more than the Badger but most of the time I can't shoot a noisy gun
I've thought these little pistols are neat plinking pieces
Please don't get any more people interested in single-shots, the really cool ones are already starting to approach and even break $10k these days.
>why wont people pay more for a gun that does less?
1. make them not suck
2. make them cheaper
I just don't have a use for one tbh. I also don't have the expendable income to have guns just for fun
AR for home defense. swap the upper to hunt larger game when that becomes a thing for me. 5.56 is plenty for coyotes and bighorn
M&P for cc
next gun will probably be a 10/22 for casual plinking
after that, most likely a lever gun for the cowboy LARP with a matching revolver
>How do we get more people interested in single shots?
Why would i do that you liberal gay?
My first gun was a 4570 single shot since I figured a budget ar wouldnt have been as fun. Spent less than 500 on it and can make 2 watermelons into a fine pink mist with after the single punch to the shoulder from the damn thing. Why more anons dont do this I havent a clue.
>Why more anons dont do this I havent a clue.
That's pretty simple. They've been browbeaten by video gamers online into accepting only what's min-maxed for their CQB larp fantasies.
>The reason first timers in the shooting scene don't buy a single shot rifle in a round you have to handload for is video games and le minmaxing
I can't tell if you're baiting or if the contrarian fart huffing here has actually reached terminal levels
I'm obviously exaggerating in a joking manner, anon. But there is certainly some truth to what I wrote, and I don't think anon's question was directed to first-time shooters specifically but rather just anons in general. Anytime you see single-shots brought up you get the capacityfags talking about how much they suck. Those are the people I am calling out as larping fags.
> in a round you have to handload for
Whut? You can buy .45-70 off the shelf. I totally agree that something you would have to handload for, like say a Martini-Henry, would be silly for a new shooter.
>You can buy .45-70 off the shelf
Sure, for like 185cpr as the basic price. Whereas 5.56 is 38cpr and even 308 is 71cpr. Why the fuck would most people's "first gun" be some high recoil single shot that isn't going to do anything for them vs normal stuff with ammo that expensive?
>Why the fuck would most people's
It wouldn't be most people's choice. But it's strange that when it's *someone's* choice a bunch of fags come out of the woodwork and berate them for it. If someone told me they just wanted a gun I'd probably recommend something like an AR. But if someone wants something else because that's what they like who am I to bitch about it?
>But it's strange that when it's *someone's* choice a bunch of fags come out of the woodwork and berate them for it
It's strange that you feel so defensive about making a claim that it should be a first gun and getting BTFO that you then feel the need to strawman everyone's replies afterwards anon.
>buying a common, cheap reliable gun with dirt cheap standard factory loads is "mix-max" vs some weird unusual thing that costs a minimum of 3x cpr
If anon is willing to pay for the more expensive ammo then who are we to question that?
Non-historical single shots just aren't interesting to me in any way (barring the Contender which is sexy)
Same as modern straight-pull rifles, no reason to get one over a K31 or M.95
Are you actually asking why first timers aren't picking a single shot gun they have to hunt for in an expensive round over a semi-auto, readily available, low recoil gun chambered in a fuckcheap round that handles everything from gophers to people?
>stop liking what you like
>you have to like what I like
Maybe anon wants a big boom more than he wants to magdump?
What the actual fuck are you talking about? The quandary was
>I don't know why more anons don't do this
And I explained why it's absolutely ludicrous to expect more to go that route. At no point did I dictate what should or should not be liked. Can you at least try to not be completely disingenuous?
>And I explained why it's absolutely ludicrous to expect more to go that route
You tried, but you didn't establish that.
>low recoil
Maybe anon wants a big boom and recoil is the goal?
>ammo harder to find any more expenisve
Maybe anon can afford the ammo and doesn't care that it's harder to find, and is willing to pay more for the bigger boom.
>semi auto
Maybe anon doesn't care? I certainly didn't when I bought my first rifle.
You're an idiot. Probably willfully so.
Are you a chatbot or intentionally trying to push people away from owning a single shot gun?
>first gun
>4570 single shot
>Why more anons dont do this I havent a clue.
Life is sure full of mysteries.
That's not what's being questioned. What's being questioned is "why don't first time shooters choose this vs a solid $500 AR-15 or shotgun or the like!?!????" and the answer is frankly pretty fucking obvious.
>and the answer is frankly pretty fucking obvious.
It is? Someone brought up ammo cost as a potential reason and I pointed out that doesn't necessarily apply.
>muh rainbow trajectory
That's what I mean about min-maxing. Most people aren't shooting anywhere near that far, they literally don't care.
>It is?
if you're not cripplingly autistic and/or willfully ignorant yeah it's pretty obvious why newbies are going to go for the cheap AR in .223 vs a single shot 45-70....
As I said before, I completely understand that most people will go for muh tacticool AR, but what's confusing me is why people feel like criticizing those who don't make that choice. I don't have a problem with people buying ARs, I have a problem with the people saying noooooo you can't have a 45-70.
>but what's confusing me is why people feel like criticizing those who don't make that choice
literally no one is doing that you fucking sperg although I'm feeling like maybe I should given that you're an autistic weirdo and not making folks who don't make that choice look good.
>literally no one is doing that you fucking sperg
You're doing it right now. You're claiming the only people who would buy a single-shot are "autistic" or "willfully ignorant".
Can you read? I said you were autistic and/or willfully ignorant if you were having trouble understanding why new shooters aren't going to go for a single shot big bore rifle.
And you think that distinction matters? The point is you're being hostile when the question comes up. You won't answer the question rationally, you throw around insults instead. You can't fathom that there are other people with different priorities and interests than you and things which you consider obstacles may not be obstacles for another.
anon can I ask you a serious question? do you hate single shots? or are you that earlier anon or agree who thinks it should be gatekept away from normies? just wondering why you try to make single shot enjoyers look like irritating assholes who can't read?
you are actually brain damaged holy shit
You are such a gay that I'm going to cancel my plans of ever getting a TC. No, seriously, you've ruined single-shot shit for me.
Sigh. Here we go again, unbridled hostility for anyone who dares to have a different opinion from the min-max group think. You can't handle deeper thinking on guns.
apparently a common trait of single shot owners is illiteracy...
This thread is legit embarrassing to read through
single shots are fun
I like them because they are fun
>he thinks the TC is the only single shot firearm
>You're doing it right now.
No I'm not.
>You're claiming the only people who would buy a single-shot are "autistic" or "willfully ignorant".
No, I'm saying that YOU are autistic and willfully ignorant, because you are, and you insist on this make believe that no anons argued.
are you a fucking illiterate? seriously, are you?
It’s reassuring simply knowing you can
>minmax
Not really
Guns since the Springfield have been able to do that
Yes, it is. And cost does necessarily apply when talking about the general population. The vast, vast majority of people care about cost to shoot.
>That's what I mean about min-maxing
Ok, so you're just a literal retard with head canon made up definitions. Choosing the normal, non-archaic, cheaper, wider gun variety, wider load variety, lower recoil, superior round isn't "min-maxing" it's "being normal." You're the one min-maxing with a single shot lol.
>Most people aren't shooting anywhere near that far
Hence why 5.56 or 9mm even is fine for most people and immensely superior to .45-70.
>The vast, vast majority of people care about cost to shoot.
That doesn't necessarily mean the .45-70 is more costly than the AR. Round-for-round it certainly is, but I dunno about you, I send a lot more rounds downrange when I shoot my AR than I shoot larger bore rifles. Focusing on the cost of ammo alone is disingenuous.
>Ok, so you're just a literal retard with head canon made up definitions
You just tried to prove that the 556 was a better choice than a 45-70 because of a trajectory graph. And now you're telling me that you're not trying to min-max?
>Hence why 5.56 or 9mm even is fine for most people and immensely superior to .45-70.
Superior how? You have no idea what anon's application is because he never said and you didn't bother to ask. If anon's goal is to have a big boom and a kick on his shoulder than .45-70 sounds like a much better choice than 556. And vice-versa of course, if anon wants to shoot fast a magdump a single shot is beyond retarded. But we can't pretend to know what's "superior" without knowing more information.
i love my .22lr little badger so much.
single shot proponents are proving to be insufferably asinine in this thread for some reason
When you’re a modern version of type of gun that was undesirable by ww1 and is solely used by fuds in countries that ban better
You need some cope
Iver big Johnson
>act indignant about teenagers not flocking to your niche interest and ask why that is
>get told why
>have sperg meltdown and sob about being persecuted
WDHMBT
Is it easier to just buy a new single-shot in Europe rather than try to go through the headache of transferring it from America?
Yes. If you have an importer, then ask the importer
We had this as a .222 in Hunting class, fun to shoot and very intuitive. Enough for foxes, racoons, badgers and roebuck while not disturbing other animals too much.
Was really tempted to get one in .300 blackout but never pulled the trigger
>I feel like no one under the age of 50 cares at all about single shot cartridge guns, which is a shame because they offer several advantages over other firearm types. Is it even possible to convince people or should single shot enjoyers just keep it to themselves?
Just admit you committed a felony and cant own anything with a box magazine.
Or you live in a BAN state/country.
wow so cool i have only one shot so cool
Supressed subs out of a single shot are actually pretty cool. Since there's no length for action either, you can make them super concealable. Not a bad weapon for urban sniping. Read Fry the Brain, that's a perfect application for them in martial setting.
What you are missing is value. This is a common failing of min-max magazine-heads (MAGot brains). .45-70 is actually a better value in single shot. We'll compare it to the common "cheap" semi auto round, 22lr. Earlier someone said it was $1.85/rnd. Let's call it $1.50 for argument. Now .45-70 has 3450 ftlb of stopping power, and is also 11.6mm. Having it be single shot adds another 50% of deliberate appreciation. So 3450*11.6*2.5=100050 value. Meanwhile non-singleshot 22lr is only 131*5.7*1=747. So out of a single shot .45-70 is 133 times more value which means that it's only $1.50/133=$0.012 in real cost, that's far cheaper than even 22lr. You don't mag dump at the range. That makes you a better shooter too.
>Having it be single shot adds another 50% of deliberate appreciation
that makes no sense
you get more value only because you burn through your ammo slower and can therefore spend more time at the range
therefore single shot .22 is best
>picrel
I like my single shot 45-70 because my laws allow primitive hunting with any single shot modern breechloader that's .35 caliber or larger
If it's a law workaround thing that's perfectly reasonable, same as various straight wall specialty cartridges or the like. No issue with that, everyone has to work within their own frameworks. That's not a general technical advantage is all.
Single shot guns are obsolete and on their way out. They'll be extinct in 50 yrs tops.
Hey I'd kill for a new production rolling block in a cartridge I could easily source. Way I see it the 2 big use cases of a single shot (barring strict laws) are:
>Cheaper than the alternatives plinking and/or utility gun (hunting, pest control, putting down cattle, etc.)
>Cool old thing bought for sovl
But most every one I see is either an overpriced pendersoli reproduction or some ugly still comparatively expensive modern thing in black polymer that manages to both fall short for aesthetics and utility-for-dollar-value all in one package. Only real option in my view is antiques and surplus, and that just becomes a nightmare when you don't reload.
>single shots
> offer several advantages over other firearm types
> Is it even possible to convince people or
So, what exactly is your argument here? List the advantages and try to convince me. I can't have a discussion on the topic if you're too retarded to make an argument.
they are lighter and usually have a smaller oal than other guns with the same barrel length
and fun
they're extremely expensive, usually chambered in weird cartridges, and generally speaking are very uncommon. for less money, you can buy anything from a good pump shotgun to an AR to a bolt .308 or other hunting caliber. there is literally no reason to buy one of these unless you're a turbo autist (you are) or you need to be chambering a stupidly powerful round for no good reason
Single shots are good for getting better weapons from unaware corpse's
>How do we get more people interested in single shots?
Make them cheaper.
I wanted a single shot 12g, cheapest new I could find was 150, well, one poly turk one was $80 online for a month.
If I want a single shot .44 or .357 or 30-30 or anything, its going to be north of $600 bucks. I can just get a bolt action for that much.
Make them cheaper.
And I will buy one.
>If I want a single shot .44 or .357 or 30-30 or anything, its going to be north of $600 bucks.
Wat. CVA makes single-shots in basically every caliber manufactured in the last 130 years and they're like ~$300 NIB.
>I feel like no one under the age of 50 cares at all about single shot cartridge guns
WTF are you talking about, every idiot and his mother has a Springfield
Single shots are the american version of canadas assisted suicide.