so you know how Russia has 1/11th the budget of the US military and they somehow claim to be just as powerful and able to take Europe? AND they've got nukes?
Turns out they were skimping somewhere.
The chinks aren't pumping out $200 red dots just because labor in china is 1/3 the cost it is in the US.
1 one broken optic. Throw all of them in the trash it's over. Not like we havent had a dozen stories from people on here of dead aimpoints, trijicon, Eotechs.
>ask the man whose "working relationship" with horochang is an open secret in the industry >yeah he totes tests every optic holosun puts out with 2k rounds just for free, nothing suspicious at all.
amazes me the intellectual dishonesty people will resort to to defend their consoomerism
>selling out your reputation for a $290 trinket
You know you can ask Aaron what his relationships are. He will respond and tell you. Why don't you do so and post back tomorrow? No joke, no gotcha, just email the guy and ask.
Putting words in people's mouth is just as stupid as condemning an entire brand because of a unique failure of one unit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude
Sootch shills for Hipoint
He has shilled for AR500
He has shilled for Condor
Do not say that "E-Celeb X" cannot shill for "Y" because it's too cheap. They'll shill anything for those sweet, sweet affiliate bux.
2 years ago
Burt
How do you not know what the word "shill" means? Those guys are ACTUALLY paid with free (usually expensive) products to sell them and have referral links and codes, they state so and even if they didn't it's so blatantly obvious with Scootcher and GunsandGear and some of the Leviathan guys. The lie right into the camera, you can watch things happen that they ignore or sugarcoat. I have never seen a video of Cowan doing that, have you? Can you post it with a time code?
A company sending a product for review, and having the product not fail spectacularly, is not "shilling." Cowan drops crap and if it breaks it breaks. Go watch videos, he has dropped all kinds of other small brand optics which were given to him for evaluation which do break, and his white paper is full of of RMRs that have broken too, and Leupolds and the Acro. What do you think he's doing, dropping Holosuns differently so they don't break? It's in the live video for comparison! Lying about them retaining accuracy? Secretly having electronics fail then getting a free replacement and telling no one? God damn that's such a lame accusation.
I asked if he gets paid or receives optics for free in exchange for positive reviews. He responded >Holosun has sent me a few of the items reviewed, by law when that is the case, it's stated in the video. Also, if a review is paid for, not saying so in the video would be against the law and by law, would be a paid promotion/informational. So no. >If you think someone's integrity is worth a $300-$400 optic, I won't spend much time dissuading you or anyone else of that. As I spend 2-3x on ammunition (or more) for testing, it's a pretty weak conspiracy.
Ask him whatever you want, he'll reply truthfully.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it the unironic Holosun talking point of the month to accuse someone saying they don't trust what are clearly advertisements to suggest they're conspiracy theorists? ALL I'M SAYING is that his videos have the effect of being compensated reviews.
2 years ago
Burt
>what are clearly advertisements
This is where your brain diverges I think.
If I gave you a Beretta 92FS and you loved it irrespective of where it came from, would you be a "shill?" Would you be "advertising" if you told other people what you liked about it?
2 years ago
BigC
>If I gave you a Beretta 92FS
i'd throw it in the trash
2 years ago
Anonymous
>throw away a free gun
please lying b***h how pathetic are you
2 years ago
BigC
that's some homosexual ass shit
i don't want that homosexual shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You know you can ask Aaron what his relationships are.
yeah and he can lie, easily.
2 years ago
Burt
Instead of condemning a man for his outspoken opinion, why don't you give him the opportunity to "easily lie" and see what he says? Or are you >implying that your pictureless videoless anecdoteless opinion with no personal experience in the matter being discussed is somehow a more valid opinion or a more reputable contribution than 200 hours of video representing Aaron Cowan's opinions?
I am assuming you are an anon who hasn't posted a Horoxhun horror story in this thread, if so I apologize
In any case, post back here what he says to the question(s) you ask him. I'm curious to see what he says
Lol @ all the cope this post is generating. People defending their budget Chinese optics to the death. If any of them owned or worked for a company that distributes optics and had to wade through all of the warranty inquiries and return requests for this shit, they'd see holosun for what it is. It's perfectly fine for someone looking to save some money but the >justasgood crowd can kick rocks. Holosun puts out far more turds than the internet would have you believe and at an astounding rate compared to many equally or more expensive manufacturers.
i cant easily filter for return reason defective because it's not a standardized field and im not combing through manual data entry but overall recent return rates for red dots the gucci brands are the only ones above 5% lol
That's surprising and a departure from what we have seen. I've got logistics and AR/AP running our quarterly report as I type this and we'll be reviewing end of the week. Maybe we're just a unicorn, but holosun has historically tracked well above comparable brands for us. Keep in mind we also track inquiries, which sometimes is just referring the customer to holosun directly to pursue a warranty claim. Thanks for sharing.
That's surprising and a departure from what we have seen. I've got logistics and AR/AP running our quarterly report as I type this and we'll be reviewing end of the week. Maybe we're just a unicorn, but holosun has historically tracked well above comparable brands for us. Keep in mind we also track inquiries, which sometimes is just referring the customer to holosun directly to pursue a warranty claim. Thanks for sharing.
Pretty sure at least half of those returns are from people regretting spending full msrp on the optic and just finding an excuse to return it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol cope. Buyers remorse is a mega cope, restocking fees and the extra hassle are enough to turn most people off it. Plus dont you frickers tout the you wont get buyers remorse because you actually got the best top of the line brand name thing etc etc oh man thanks for the laugh
2 years ago
Anonymous
>paying msrp
NGMI
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao look at the post above yours
https://i.imgur.com/LTMFE1L.png
imagine you get bullied by some arg troony into spending 2-3x as much and end up on here lol
cope & seethe
2 years ago
Anonymous
So first its "people are too poor to afford good optics" and then its people returning optics they did have the money to afford but they're just "regretting spending full msrp"? This is some serious copium.
If these optics were as good as guccigays say, then you wouldn't need to return them at such rates.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought it was coomsumers buying a bunch of cheap optics instead of a few good pieces?
>If any of them owned or worked for a company that distributes optics
you rang?
would you like to see return rates?
https://i.imgur.com/rMew43M.png
i cant easily filter for return reason defective because it's not a standardized field and im not combing through manual data entry but overall recent return rates for red dots the gucci brands are the only ones above 5% lol
https://i.imgur.com/LTMFE1L.png
imagine you get bullied by some arg troony into spending 2-3x as much and end up on here lol
The innovation is that instead of lining the pockets of a israeli board of directors, you're lining the pockets of an enterprising Chinaman who will implement slave labor on behalf of budget minded buyers.
Off three holosuns I've purchased >1
Shipped me an empty box >2
Was absolutely great! for a month. Then it broke. >3
Would not adjust elevation. Clicks did nothing.
I'm aware most people don't have these issues. My brother bought a holosun and there's literally nothing wrong with it. Completely comparable to my T2. I'm fully convinced it is literally God himself telling me I have enough money to not buy chinkshit, so I shouldn't do it. I have had none of these issues with my various Aimpoint, Trijicon, and Eotech optics. I will continue to not buy holosun.
I only buy clothes for my sexdolls on amazon, never gun stuff. Amazon is a dogshit antigun company, but at least it beats shopping for childrens underwear irl.
The offered this reticle first to Trijicon but got rejected thinking It was a gimmick, and after that they went to Holosun who gladly bought their rights from them
Yikes, well I can see why holosun was a more suitable platform, shake to wake and solar failsafe help somewhat to offset that flaw
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's still 3 months
2 years ago
Anonymous
They say "up to", it'll probably be worse unless you keep the brightness low
2 years ago
Anonymous
cool, are you gonna remember to replace your battery 4 times a year?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm already changing my Aimpoint 4x a year, one more wouldn't hurt
2 years ago
Anonymous
is that a serious question? What sort of life do you live that you don't have a calendar, day planner, or something to mark "do X in four months". Oh no, my fricking battery needs changing! Holochang Black folk are the worst, they put a shitty red dot on at a brightness setting you can't use outdoors and brag about how they only need to change out the battery once every few years
2 years ago
Burt
At least you don't have to take it off to change it lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>take optic off once a year to change battery
not a big deal tbh
More importantly, acro masterrace doesn't need removed and doesn't have the terrible holosun tray either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Gets dropped on sides >Battery cap somehows can't be unthreaded
GG
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hmm, you'd think that'd come up as an issue on something like the T2, with the same battery cap design, but generally mounted on a rifle where it'd be taking even worse impacts.
But of course, that fantasy scenario doesn't happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
doesnt happen
2 years ago
Burt
Nah it's not I'm just razzin
I had to take my 507 off a couple months ago to replace the battery. It lasted like 3 years in a drawer
Can someone recommend a ~9 MOA micro green dot?
That's pretty big uhh the dual illuminated RMRs get that big but that's another can of worms
2 years ago
Anonymous
Any 6 MOA’s then? I think 3 MOA or less is way too small for a shotgun
2 years ago
Anonymous
6 MOA would be better for what you want
2 years ago
Anonymous
Any recommendations? Preferably green
2 years ago
Anonymous
There are lots with ~6 MOA dots in red but I'm struggling to think of any in green. They are red dots but battery RMRs I think top out at 6.5 MOA, Sig Romeo1Pro and Leupold Deltapoint Pro come in 6 MOA.
Ironically Holosun has circle-dot reticles that might be well suited to a shotgun lol. They are like 30 MOA circle with a 2 MOA dot in the center, which you can select between, and come in green. There's another one with the "CO" suffix that is JUST an 8 MOA ring with no dot, not sure if those came in green.
Horosun (green) or RMR (not green)
2 years ago
Burt
There are lots with ~6 MOA dots in red but I'm struggling to think of any in green. They are red dots but battery RMRs I think top out at 6.5 MOA, Sig Romeo1Pro and Leupold Deltapoint Pro come in 6 MOA.
Ironically Holosun has circle-dot reticles that might be well suited to a shotgun lol. They are like 30 MOA circle with a 2 MOA dot in the center, which you can select between, and come in green. There's another one with the "CO" suffix that is JUST an 8 MOA ring with no dot, not sure if those came in green.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you use blue loctite when mounting?
2 years ago
Burt
I never do. A lot of manufacturers and slide cutters specifically say not to but I get why people do
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holosun says to use non-permanent thread locker and to torque to 15 inch/lbs. Do you think that will still be enough torque if I skip the loctite?
2 years ago
Burt
It's at the low end. Most manufacturers state numbers between 15 and 25 inch pounds. Give it a try, if it backs out the worst you're out is a screw and a few more rounds of ammo to check zero!
2 years ago
Anonymous
$2.49 at harbor freight
2 years ago
Anonymous
they send a little packet of thread locker with the optic, and usually the screws are pre loctited anyway, so you should prooobably just fricking use it
2 years ago
Anonymous
I do whatever the mfg suggests. Sometimes if you get third party mounts they give you VC compound and equivalent.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How could that ever be a problem with that slow rate?
If you're using your optic that often to burn it out 4 times a year, which is more than most people. You can easily order some batteries.
whats the deal with chinks and adding "features"? I watched a documentary on Shenzhen and they visited some innovation centre. First thing he shows is a flaslight BUT ALSO IT HAS A BUILT IN RADIO. The rest of the things were like that too, literally just two product in one where combining them just made both worse.
What the government does with our taxes is unamerican. Pakistani gender studies. Leaving millions of dollars worth of trijicuck nods and full auto m4s sassers apcs and shit with the taliban etc etc. One guy getting the best bang for his buck is not the problem. Frick you.
If you're the one in a million who can successfully break a 509T then at least Holosun will give you a free replacement in a couple of weeks.
Aimpoint and Trijicon won't do that because they're too busy simping for govt./police. Civilians are fricking ants to them.
t. owned 20 different Holosuns, RMA'ed 2 free of cost (507C, 507K) and got both back within 2 weeks. I'd rather take this chance again than simp for Trij/Aimpoint at twice the price.
I have no qualms with holosun, but my experience with trijicon and aimpoint service is positive. They are pretty damn responsive to retail customers tbqh.
It's the new ACSS Vulcan reticle (designed by the same guy who designed the ACSS reticle for the ACOGs and LPVOs) which helps you find the dot of your pistol red dot. Holosun got an exclusive deal with the designer since he went first to Trijicon but they were not interested since they thought It was a useless gimmick
Does no one at trijicon shoot anything but benched rifles? Even then it's proven that no matter how useless gimmick, people will buy it if their favorite paid YouTuber endorses it.
It's the new ACSS Vulcan reticle (designed by the same guy who designed the ACSS reticle for the ACOGs and LPVOs) which helps you find the dot of your pistol red dot. Holosun got an exclusive deal with the designer since he went first to Trijicon but they were not interested since they thought It was a useless gimmick
idk man I think that holosun is probably not as bad as some people would have you beleive, but I would probably buy one of their older models (asuming I could get it cheaper) for plinking.
I dont like chinks but we're at a point right now where its not viable to buy shit that's made here anymore.
Holosun enjoyers are like pitbulls feeding. Mentioning how their optics are budget grade chinesium causes anger and protective instincts. They snarl and growl. At the end of the day they are still poor and using inferior trash. Keep pouring on the cope hourly wage losers.
probably because the optics work well for cheap and consoomers online say they're dogshit
if im getting good results and you say my guns are crap im calling you tarded
why do you think i have a lot of cheap guns? thats another kind of tarded consoomer autism
my next purchase will be a long range drone so I can see what's happening a mile away from my house from my basement
My first AEMS I got on "sale" from Kenzies ate a battery in a week so I had to warranty it with holosun. Finally after over a month and having to email them twice I get my "quality control tested" optic. Since then it's been cool.
could i just mount a piece of plexiglass to my slide somehow and clamp it in a vise and shoot it and then put a dot over the bullet hole with a red sharpie?
I remember when Siggers were proud of being thought of as a mid to high end brand, their reputation riding on the P226/229, now they make weapons with questionable safety designs (P320 gen 1, Cross) and slap their name on shitty $200 chinese dots.
> now they make weapons with questionable safety designs
Lmao still talking about something that was fixed 5 years ago? Your wifes boyfriend must be getting tired of hearing you complain all the time.
They shouldn't need to fix guns that fire when dropped on the hammer, or rifles that fire when the safety is engaged and the trigger is pulled. That shit should be IMMEDIATELY caught by your quality assurance team, if not by the designers themselves. You're too busy simping for a brand that has been totally subverted by new management in order to maximize profits instead of maintaining a reputation for quality.
and here we see someone that actually sets their optic to a brightness setting that can be used outdoors
LEDs in optics are outdated, laser projection is the future.
I know you're joking, but Leupold was the first to come out with shake awake. Sometime around 20 years ago.
Trijicon had fibre optics in the 90s.
The idea that Holosun "innovates" is a fricking joke.
I had one and it was pretty crisp compared to most other cheap dots even with my moronic eyes. The battery housing is moronic though and sticks like shit to a blanket probably from uncleaned threads full of burrs or something. If I were to do it again for the price I paid I'd just get a romeo 5 or holochink (even a vortex since that was the cool shit at the time).
EMP
EMP only lasts 30 seconds. Honestly it's just a gimmick.
an EMP fries circuitry. it doesn't matter how long it lasts if the components are shorted beyond operation
Money
>innovasions
>combat against such innovasions
Nice try, Wang, still using Trijicon
More like innovAsians, amirite?
>switched from cr2032 to cr1632 batteries
Utter trash.
Normal use
Oh frick that shit
This, listing all my chinkshit for sale as we speak. Absolutely unacceptable.
Chang get in here, you have some explaining to do
How?
so you know how Russia has 1/11th the budget of the US military and they somehow claim to be just as powerful and able to take Europe? AND they've got nukes?
Turns out they were skimping somewhere.
The chinks aren't pumping out $200 red dots just because labor in china is 1/3 the cost it is in the US.
1 one broken optic. Throw all of them in the trash it's over. Not like we havent had a dozen stories from people on here of dead aimpoints, trijicon, Eotechs.
>Throw all of them in the trash it's over
Yes.
WE GOT A (ONE [1]) BROKEN OPTIC HERE! INTO THE TRASHOLA IT GOES!1
>moronic trip posts ACRO that is "broken"
>fails to mention that's the outer glass and is still perfectly functional
>perfectly functional
Ask Cowan to submerge it and get back to me
>ask the man whose "working relationship" with horochang is an open secret in the industry
>yeah he totes tests every optic holosun puts out with 2k rounds just for free, nothing suspicious at all.
amazes me the intellectual dishonesty people will resort to to defend their consoomerism
>selling out your reputation for a $290 trinket
You know you can ask Aaron what his relationships are. He will respond and tell you. Why don't you do so and post back tomorrow? No joke, no gotcha, just email the guy and ask.
Putting words in people's mouth is just as stupid as condemning an entire brand because of a unique failure of one unit.
Dude
Sootch shills for Hipoint
He has shilled for AR500
He has shilled for Condor
Do not say that "E-Celeb X" cannot shill for "Y" because it's too cheap. They'll shill anything for those sweet, sweet affiliate bux.
How do you not know what the word "shill" means? Those guys are ACTUALLY paid with free (usually expensive) products to sell them and have referral links and codes, they state so and even if they didn't it's so blatantly obvious with Scootcher and GunsandGear and some of the Leviathan guys. The lie right into the camera, you can watch things happen that they ignore or sugarcoat. I have never seen a video of Cowan doing that, have you? Can you post it with a time code?
A company sending a product for review, and having the product not fail spectacularly, is not "shilling." Cowan drops crap and if it breaks it breaks. Go watch videos, he has dropped all kinds of other small brand optics which were given to him for evaluation which do break, and his white paper is full of of RMRs that have broken too, and Leupolds and the Acro. What do you think he's doing, dropping Holosuns differently so they don't break? It's in the live video for comparison! Lying about them retaining accuracy? Secretly having electronics fail then getting a free replacement and telling no one? God damn that's such a lame accusation.
I asked if he gets paid or receives optics for free in exchange for positive reviews. He responded
>Holosun has sent me a few of the items reviewed, by law when that is the case, it's stated in the video. Also, if a review is paid for, not saying so in the video would be against the law and by law, would be a paid promotion/informational. So no.
>If you think someone's integrity is worth a $300-$400 optic, I won't spend much time dissuading you or anyone else of that. As I spend 2-3x on ammunition (or more) for testing, it's a pretty weak conspiracy.
Ask him whatever you want, he'll reply truthfully.
Is it the unironic Holosun talking point of the month to accuse someone saying they don't trust what are clearly advertisements to suggest they're conspiracy theorists? ALL I'M SAYING is that his videos have the effect of being compensated reviews.
>what are clearly advertisements
This is where your brain diverges I think.
If I gave you a Beretta 92FS and you loved it irrespective of where it came from, would you be a "shill?" Would you be "advertising" if you told other people what you liked about it?
>If I gave you a Beretta 92FS
i'd throw it in the trash
>throw away a free gun
please lying b***h how pathetic are you
that's some homosexual ass shit
i don't want that homosexual shit
>You know you can ask Aaron what his relationships are.
yeah and he can lie, easily.
Instead of condemning a man for his outspoken opinion, why don't you give him the opportunity to "easily lie" and see what he says? Or are you >implying that your pictureless videoless anecdoteless opinion with no personal experience in the matter being discussed is somehow a more valid opinion or a more reputable contribution than 200 hours of video representing Aaron Cowan's opinions?
I am assuming you are an anon who hasn't posted a Horoxhun horror story in this thread, if so I apologize
In any case, post back here what he says to the question(s) you ask him. I'm curious to see what he says
stupid fat frick burt
that optic isn't broken.
It is literally broken into pieces lmfao
Lol @ all the cope this post is generating. People defending their budget Chinese optics to the death. If any of them owned or worked for a company that distributes optics and had to wade through all of the warranty inquiries and return requests for this shit, they'd see holosun for what it is. It's perfectly fine for someone looking to save some money but the >justasgood crowd can kick rocks. Holosun puts out far more turds than the internet would have you believe and at an astounding rate compared to many equally or more expensive manufacturers.
>If any of them owned or worked for a company that distributes optics
you rang?
would you like to see return rates?
I'd be very interested in optic return rates, see how it compares to the data we see at my operation.
i cant easily filter for return reason defective because it's not a standardized field and im not combing through manual data entry but overall recent return rates for red dots the gucci brands are the only ones above 5% lol
That's surprising and a departure from what we have seen. I've got logistics and AR/AP running our quarterly report as I type this and we'll be reviewing end of the week. Maybe we're just a unicorn, but holosun has historically tracked well above comparable brands for us. Keep in mind we also track inquiries, which sometimes is just referring the customer to holosun directly to pursue a warranty claim. Thanks for sharing.
imagine you get bullied by some arg troony into spending 2-3x as much and end up on here lol
Pretty sure at least half of those returns are from people regretting spending full msrp on the optic and just finding an excuse to return it.
Lol cope. Buyers remorse is a mega cope, restocking fees and the extra hassle are enough to turn most people off it. Plus dont you frickers tout the you wont get buyers remorse because you actually got the best top of the line brand name thing etc etc oh man thanks for the laugh
>paying msrp
NGMI
lmao look at the post above yours
cope & seethe
So first its "people are too poor to afford good optics" and then its people returning optics they did have the money to afford but they're just "regretting spending full msrp"? This is some serious copium.
If these optics were as good as guccigays say, then you wouldn't need to return them at such rates.
I thought it was coomsumers buying a bunch of cheap optics instead of a few good pieces?
LOOOOOOOL GET REKT FGT
G.O.A.T. posting
>get rekt
Sorry no can do I'm not a holosun optic.
what innovation tho
The innovation is that instead of lining the pockets of a israeli board of directors, you're lining the pockets of an enterprising Chinaman who will implement slave labor on behalf of budget minded buyers.
thats a p good innovation tbh. rather give money to chinks than israelites any day
>Abed as Yes Man
>muh slave labor is bad
No not the heckin innocent wiggers!!
Economies of scale and child labor, obviously.
chinks are basically more soulless and dumber israelites. they study israelites and wish they could be exactly like them.
Learn to speak my language before you post here shitskin.
I think it was meant to be a pun
Off three holosuns I've purchased
>1
Shipped me an empty box
>2
Was absolutely great! for a month. Then it broke.
>3
Would not adjust elevation. Clicks did nothing.
I'm aware most people don't have these issues. My brother bought a holosun and there's literally nothing wrong with it. Completely comparable to my T2. I'm fully convinced it is literally God himself telling me I have enough money to not buy chinkshit, so I shouldn't do it. I have had none of these issues with my various Aimpoint, Trijicon, and Eotech optics. I will continue to not buy holosun.
stop buying returns from Amazon warehouse moron
I only buy clothes for my sexdolls on amazon, never gun stuff. Amazon is a dogshit antigun company, but at least it beats shopping for childrens underwear irl.
producing a quality product rather than "features" like being able to frick around with my reticle and change the colors
isn't the vulcan a primary arms invention?
The offered this reticle first to Trijicon but got rejected thinking It was a gimmick, and after that they went to Holosun who gladly bought their rights from them
Lol but they have all manner of stupid reticles on acogs
considering how badly it affects the battery life it would call it a gimmick.
So how bad is it?
2500hrs with the full reticle.
Yikes, well I can see why holosun was a more suitable platform, shake to wake and solar failsafe help somewhat to offset that flaw
That's still 3 months
They say "up to", it'll probably be worse unless you keep the brightness low
cool, are you gonna remember to replace your battery 4 times a year?
I'm already changing my Aimpoint 4x a year, one more wouldn't hurt
is that a serious question? What sort of life do you live that you don't have a calendar, day planner, or something to mark "do X in four months". Oh no, my fricking battery needs changing! Holochang Black folk are the worst, they put a shitty red dot on at a brightness setting you can't use outdoors and brag about how they only need to change out the battery once every few years
At least you don't have to take it off to change it lol
>take optic off once a year to change battery
not a big deal tbh
More importantly, acro masterrace doesn't need removed and doesn't have the terrible holosun tray either.
>Gets dropped on sides
>Battery cap somehows can't be unthreaded
GG
Hmm, you'd think that'd come up as an issue on something like the T2, with the same battery cap design, but generally mounted on a rifle where it'd be taking even worse impacts.
But of course, that fantasy scenario doesn't happen.
doesnt happen
Nah it's not I'm just razzin
I had to take my 507 off a couple months ago to replace the battery. It lasted like 3 years in a drawer
That's pretty big uhh the dual illuminated RMRs get that big but that's another can of worms
Any 6 MOA’s then? I think 3 MOA or less is way too small for a shotgun
6 MOA would be better for what you want
Any recommendations? Preferably green
Horosun (green) or RMR (not green)
There are lots with ~6 MOA dots in red but I'm struggling to think of any in green. They are red dots but battery RMRs I think top out at 6.5 MOA, Sig Romeo1Pro and Leupold Deltapoint Pro come in 6 MOA.
Ironically Holosun has circle-dot reticles that might be well suited to a shotgun lol. They are like 30 MOA circle with a 2 MOA dot in the center, which you can select between, and come in green. There's another one with the "CO" suffix that is JUST an 8 MOA ring with no dot, not sure if those came in green.
Do you use blue loctite when mounting?
I never do. A lot of manufacturers and slide cutters specifically say not to but I get why people do
Holosun says to use non-permanent thread locker and to torque to 15 inch/lbs. Do you think that will still be enough torque if I skip the loctite?
It's at the low end. Most manufacturers state numbers between 15 and 25 inch pounds. Give it a try, if it backs out the worst you're out is a screw and a few more rounds of ammo to check zero!
$2.49 at harbor freight
they send a little packet of thread locker with the optic, and usually the screws are pre loctited anyway, so you should prooobably just fricking use it
I do whatever the mfg suggests. Sometimes if you get third party mounts they give you VC compound and equivalent.
How could that ever be a problem with that slow rate?
If you're using your optic that often to burn it out 4 times a year, which is more than most people. You can easily order some batteries.
whats the deal with chinks and adding "features"? I watched a documentary on Shenzhen and they visited some innovation centre. First thing he shows is a flaslight BUT ALSO IT HAS A BUILT IN RADIO. The rest of the things were like that too, literally just two product in one where combining them just made both worse.
It isn't just a Chinese thing, visit a new car lot and check out all the features that most people would rather pass on
>buying chinese optics
>ever
who else will sell me a pistol holo sight? I can't use red dots
no such thing as a pistol holo sight. They're all LEDs. Holosun does not sell a true holo in pistol or rifle format. Get glasses.
my glasses don't fix the starburst bro 🙁
Frick, me too. homosexual ass navy lasik.
I recently got lasik. Stigmatism in my left eye is fricked even worse now and i'm left eye dominant when pistol shooting
The list grows
For me, it's iron sights.
Based
>no battery
>no breaking
>no bullshit
you just described the ACOG
>no breakage
>ACOGs routinely break in the USMC and the Army
>personally cracked a housing while hitting the dirt during training
>no bullshit
>bible verses on every damn optic
verses on every damn optic
Based asf
>openly admitting to being a jesusfreak in 2022
Not even them. You deserve to be beaten for being a homosexual.
>The year of our Lord Two Thousand and Twenty Two
>not accepting Christ as your personal savior and repenting of your sins
ISHYGDDT
>being a cuck for lucifer
>seeing the state of the world
>not repenting and turning to Christ
praying for your soul tonight, bozo
tip harder marine
>ACOGs routinely break when thrown around by actual morons
sounds about right
verses on every damn optic
that's based though. if i could get holochink with John 8:12 engraved on them i'd be set
>ACOGs routinely break in the USMC and the Army
Way less than iron sights.
>bible verses
Is based.
You're a gay and I'm glad you don't like ACOGs. It will make things easier if you have inferior optics.
Friendly reminder that Holosun classifies themselves as a toy company when importing their products to the United States
Yeah, and Zenitco used to import their shit as "engineering parts". Everybody does that to get around un-American taxation laws you fricking moron.
Thats ironic because buying changnesium optics is un-American in the first place.
Lol, no. The British taxing the colonies on foreign goods was one of the accelerating factors for the revolutionary war.
What the government does with our taxes is unamerican. Pakistani gender studies. Leaving millions of dollars worth of trijicuck nods and full auto m4s sassers apcs and shit with the taliban etc etc. One guy getting the best bang for his buck is not the problem. Frick you.
both classifications are accurate though.
If you're the one in a million who can successfully break a 509T then at least Holosun will give you a free replacement in a couple of weeks.
Aimpoint and Trijicon won't do that because they're too busy simping for govt./police. Civilians are fricking ants to them.
t. owned 20 different Holosuns, RMA'ed 2 free of cost (507C, 507K) and got both back within 2 weeks. I'd rather take this chance again than simp for Trij/Aimpoint at twice the price.
>1 in a million
I have no qualms with holosun, but my experience with trijicon and aimpoint service is positive. They are pretty damn responsive to retail customers tbqh.
>owned 20 different Holosuns, RMA'ed 2 free of cost
So when you say
>one in a million
You actually mean 1 in 10?
Illiterate frick, breaking and a 509t is very different from the ones he mentions rmaing
We don't: https://youtu.be/uQ6RqG-LhlY?t=339
What is this magic?
It's the new ACSS Vulcan reticle (designed by the same guy who designed the ACSS reticle for the ACOGs and LPVOs) which helps you find the dot of your pistol red dot. Holosun got an exclusive deal with the designer since he went first to Trijicon but they were not interested since they thought It was a useless gimmick
>useless gimmick
Does no one at trijicon shoot anything but benched rifles? Even then it's proven that no matter how useless gimmick, people will buy it if their favorite paid YouTuber endorses it.
I NEED IT
hi hop
idk man I think that holosun is probably not as bad as some people would have you beleive, but I would probably buy one of their older models (asuming I could get it cheaper) for plinking.
I dont like chinks but we're at a point right now where its not viable to buy shit that's made here anymore.
Maybe dont rest on your laurels for a decade
By only buying Aimpoint or Trijicon just like the nu-boomer intends all gun owners to do
EPS Carry stock needs to hurry the frick up and deliver.
So, here's the thing
Im just not gonna buy chinkshit
I know
I KNOOOOOWWWW
I'm just not gonna do it
BWAHAHAHAH
Damn that's some thick ass glass
your not going to buy anything because you are noguns and also poor what a worthless post
Cope.
Holosun enjoyers are like pitbulls feeding. Mentioning how their optics are budget grade chinesium causes anger and protective instincts. They snarl and growl. At the end of the day they are still poor and using inferior trash. Keep pouring on the cope hourly wage losers.
I've noticed one thing about holosun simps and that's that they are extremely defensive about their optic choice.
probably because the optics work well for cheap and consoomers online say they're dogshit
if im getting good results and you say my guns are crap im calling you tarded
This is the same arguments those morons shilling those $20 dollar optics use.
>I'm just being a good person because it worked for me.
>I'm not a consoomer if I don't get high end
>let me buy more cheap guns
>I want to buy low budget optics for my cheap guns
why do you think i have a lot of cheap guns? thats another kind of tarded consoomer autism
my next purchase will be a long range drone so I can see what's happening a mile away from my house from my basement
My first AEMS I got on "sale" from Kenzies ate a battery in a week so I had to warranty it with holosun. Finally after over a month and having to email them twice I get my "quality control tested" optic. Since then it's been cool.
My aimpoint don't last longer than three months, they just ignored me meanwhile holosun shipped me a god dam new optic because I said the same thing.
>innovasions
still not buying chinkshit
By innovating harder
Can someone recommend a ~9 MOA micro green dot?
>9 MOA
the frick gramps?
Lol I want one for the new Mossberg 940 tactical that comes with a built in optics cut
could i just mount a piece of plexiglass to my slide somehow and clamp it in a vise and shoot it and then put a dot over the bullet hole with a red sharpie?
>glass held together with glue softens and gunk gets inside
Bravo chang
Optics are for losers anyway. Iron sights all the way.
Imaging paying more than $140 for the best red dot out there.
Literally 2 battery changes in 2 years, over 3k rounds and still running like new.
It looks like a toy, like you glued a piece of plastic onto a cheap pot metal slide
And still works better than your mom
I remember when Siggers were proud of being thought of as a mid to high end brand, their reputation riding on the P226/229, now they make weapons with questionable safety designs (P320 gen 1, Cross) and slap their name on shitty $200 chinese dots.
> now they make weapons with questionable safety designs
Lmao still talking about something that was fixed 5 years ago? Your wifes boyfriend must be getting tired of hearing you complain all the time.
They shouldn't need to fix guns that fire when dropped on the hammer, or rifles that fire when the safety is engaged and the trigger is pulled. That shit should be IMMEDIATELY caught by your quality assurance team, if not by the designers themselves. You're too busy simping for a brand that has been totally subverted by new management in order to maximize profits instead of maintaining a reputation for quality.
I've had three batteries in three months and the plastic lense is scratched to frick.
Buying an eps carry as soon as the mrs exists.
and here we see someone that actually sets their optic to a brightness setting that can be used outdoors
LEDs in optics are outdated, laser projection is the future.
$140? What a rip man those things are all over classifieds, people can't give them away fast enough because you're forced to buy em with the gun
lol That would be sweet revenge from when Trijicon baselessly sued Horoxhun over vertical button orientation.
>Solar panels on stuff where the battery last like a year.
Actual meme shit. What's next some shake awake gimmick?
I know you're joking, but Leupold was the first to come out with shake awake. Sometime around 20 years ago.
Trijicon had fibre optics in the 90s.
The idea that Holosun "innovates" is a fricking joke.
Nah, the next gimmick is a "battery tray" LMAO like taking an optic off 4 times a year and rezeroing is too much work for zoomers
Just copy it. What are they gonna do? Sue?
Duuuuuuuude this looks like one of the scopes from Planetside! Is it passable?
I had one and it was pretty crisp compared to most other cheap dots even with my moronic eyes. The battery housing is moronic though and sticks like shit to a blanket probably from uncleaned threads full of burrs or something. If I were to do it again for the price I paid I'd just get a romeo 5 or holochink (even a vortex since that was the cool shit at the time).
Passable. Got it.