>get a longbow >go to common land >practice every sunday until you feel like your arms are about to break >do this until your muscle shape has changed >kill frenchmen
Russian tier level of cope >We have more manly recruitment campaigns than western countries, it doesn't matter if we got blown by a missile fired by a black lesbian!
>France won the 100 years war by utilising firearms while the English stuck to longbows.
first, this is straight up bullshit
second, you would have to be an actual retard to believe in what you wrote
Yes. It's the middle of the night for me so I'm not gonna source you all battles I can think of but a great overall example of bow>crossbow were the central/eastern european battles which are rarely talked about for example the Battle of Grunwald where the Teutonic Knights and their western mercenaries (infantry, knights, artillery and crossbowmen) got btfo by the Polish-Lithuanian forces consisting in large numbers of light cavalry and archers. It's an incredibly kino battle but from what I've seen the english sources are lacking in details. I remember there being some examples in Asia as well but that is not something I know enough of. But to finish this there is a reason why Polish cavalry which was the best in Europe still used bows up to the XVIII century.
just because you are too stupid and too lazy to do some research doesn't mean they aren't historical
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, yet no one seems to be willing to talk about the french cavalry running over the english in the following battle or the fact that the war was a total loss of english holdings on the continent.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean... yeah? And? We are not talking about who won the war or who won the most battles.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because I thought we were just talking about Archers VS crossbowmen.
>Get pushed by your knights into a disadvantageous position >try to retreat and redeploy >They accuse you of cowardice and kill you >They then charge uphill into the English arrowstorm without any screening from the crossbowmen they just killed >They get slaughtered
>get a longbow >go to common land >practice every sunday until you feel like your arms are about to break >do this until your muscle shape has changed >kill frenchmen
All regular heavy exercise leaves testable changes in your bones, this is a half true meme. The current record holder for pulling back a longbow (which shatters historical records) is some manlet (albiet a fairly muscular one) who started after puberty.
honestly how my ancestors did it, can't be any worse for me. Its like a paleo-diet. well at-least I will have plenty of french cuisine. maybe I should take up the long sword as well... then gain something just says zweihander. does anyone else hear the marching of boots?
>be English >have a war against King John so that the common people may have common land >have a law that makes archery commonplace and woven into the culture of English national life >everyone in England owns a sword or a bow on some description for the defence of the realm against Frenchmen, vagabonds and the Scottish. >Glorious Revolution comes >King William establishes a Bill of Rights and all Protestants have the right to bare arms "as allowed by law", mostly to defend themselves against the Catholic Irish. >this becomes the basis of the US constitution. >18th century comes >Northern England is the largest and most esteemed gunsmithing industry in the world >19th century comes >Britain established an NRA before America does >British police officers have to borrow local civilians guns to counter Latvian anarchists >20th century >a few shootings by derranged people who bought revolvers from gun stores >because the right to bare arms is suffixed with "as allowed by law" it is easily reversed >now British people can't even own pepper spray
End of Cold War and Tony Blair being Prime Minister
Wars, especially wars with a high rate of attrition and at least partially volunteer service, don't take anything like a perfect cross section of the populace out of circulation, they over select for positive masculine traits.
Think about the people who volunteered to fight in the world wars, the deaths in these conflicts selected overwhelmingly for aggression and assertiveness, which means the deaths also selected for the highest testosterone.
Then look at the people who left Britain, either as prisoners or as emigrants over the last few hundred years. Overwhelmingly selected for Aggression and Disagreeableness, which also means that loss selected for Testosterone.
Add on to all of that sixty years of psychotic negative conditioning and the surprising thing isn't how fucked they are, it's how they aren't fucked worse.
It doesn't matter how strong and fierce your population is to begin with if you skim the top 10% of manly combative traits off for a couple hundred years you'll be left with blubbering slug people. Trait-selective demographic damage does absolutely horrific things to a population.
I don't quite buy "muh alpha genes" as a comprehensive explanation considering most of continental Europe went through similar stuff without ending up as pathetic as Britain.
Most of continental europe went through similar stuff and is exactly as pathetic as Britain. France, Germany, all of northern europe, Italy, they're packed with degenerate crybabies.
Didn't Sweden more or less stay out of both world wars?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Demographic selection against masculinity is a major factor in the masculine downfall of western Europe, but it's not the only thing in the world that can cause a horrible trait selective decline.
Hell look at America and Australia, some of the most aggressive stock on the planet and much less population loss focused on positive traits (we could argue how much damage the Civil War did but the men of the country remained fairly healthy for about a hundred years post war), yet both are at the absolute breaking point for other reasons.
I dont mean to downplay the effect propaganda has by any means.
>How did they go from fanatically fighting against the enemy of the garden gnomes to being garden gnome'd at home?
One of life's great mysteries I guess
Cause archery is a national sport there. Some Legolas techniques would probably be spotted as bullshit by the people that go to the bowrange regularly and know what it implies to shoot a bow.
Koreans are the only ones that make actual historicals anymore, western "historicals" now are people wearing brown and black leather armor, grumbling, rolling around in shit, and living in torchlit mud huts with a grey/blue filter over the entire movie because sunlight and color didn't exist in the past.
Came for this and I used to shoot competition archery. Start light so you don't develop bad habits. 45lbs or less draw weight. Focus on being able to sink every shaft into a tennis ball at 20 yards before you think about increasing draw weight. I killed my first deer at 10 with a 45lb draw compound so it's still a very lethal weight.
Buy used as you'll save a lot of $$ on something you'll replace anyway. Pin sights are cheap and abundant and work plenty fine. Get it checked out by your local bow shop as it might save you a hand/eye because bows can and do fail (strong/cam/etc).
Practice is 99% of archery, gear is 1%. I can outshoot most guys with their insane setups because they don't practice all that much. Shoot every day even if it's only a dozen times. It isn't like shooting guns, your skill at it wanes much faster without frequent practice.
Don't listen to any longbow/recurve gays. I own and shoot both frequently but they're not nearly as good to start on initially.
I didn't start until some french canadians migrated to my neighborhood. They are a few generations removed from continental europe and so am I but trying to pincushion those crapauds just came naturally. Last time I saw that hook nosed cunt I tried to bash him up with a big hammer too
>buy samick sage >make sure the limbs are somewhere in the 25-35 pound range when you start out >don't go too high, unless you work out your back and shoulder muscles a lot you probably can't draw nearly as much weight as you think you can, and that's ok. Besides, you can always buy stronger limbs later on. >When your bow arrives, measure your draw length (not going to go into that here, there are articles that explain it far better than I can) >Arrows are best purchased in person, but online can work as well. Buy Easton, they're good. This is the spine chart for easton arrows (At least I think so, you may want to check their website), and if you want them to behave right when they get released, you'll want to follow it. The Y axis is your draw weight, which you match up with the weight of your arrowhead (125gr is good, I'd recommend that). The X axis is your draw length. Find where the two intersect and buy some arrows with that spine rating. >when your arrows arrive, I'd recommend getting them cut to size, which can be done by most sporting goods stores that stock archery supplies. Leaving them uncut will affect your accuracy, but not by a whole lot relatively speaking, so you're fine going with uncut arrows for now if you must. >in terms of targets, foam block targets are great. They're a bit pricey, but they last forever so it's worth it in the long run. >Buy a decent archery glove and arm guard. >when it comes to actually shooting, focus on pulling with your back muscles, not your arms. There's a lot to aiming and technique that I won't go into, it might be a good idea to take a class or two. Also youtube is a good resource, nusensei especially. >If you like it, then you can decide where you want to go from there. In terms of traditional archery, nomad warrors sells horsebows and other eastern style shortbows for every budget and preference, the longbow shop sells... longbows, and if you're interested in japanese archery then ebay is your friend.
Also, I forgot to mention that you may want to consider investing in a fletching jig and fletching glue. You'll have to refletch your arrows eventually, and it pays off to be able to do it yourself. Plus you can put whatever color or pattern fletchings you want on your arrows, and customization is always fun.
>make sure the limbs are somewhere in the 25-35 pound range when you start out
yeah I thought I was a tough guy and bought 50 pound limbs for ragim takedown. I was surprised and instantly humbled when I tried shooting it. went down to 30 and worked my way up. It's so much fun I got a lot of respect for people who do traditional bow hunting
are you serious or what? it's a super common sport, I did it as a kid and then my parents got into it, we all did recurve and my dad also did traditional archery (no sights, no gibbledymoron on your bow)
so even if you're a gay retard who had no intention to go through with it and have prepared excuses about how modern archery doesn't count there's still an active subclass for shooting traditional longbows
get a bow I guess
>get a longbow
>go to common land
>practice every sunday until you feel like your arms are about to break
>do this until your muscle shape has changed
>kill frenchmen
Meanwhile the French man simply buys a crossbow
Yeah but proves you're a girly poofter, doesn't it?
Russian tier level of cope
>We have more manly recruitment campaigns than western countries, it doesn't matter if we got blown by a missile fired by a black lesbian!
>t. sad genoese mercenary whos crossbow exploded because he couldn't keep the string out of the rain
French man then dies because he took too long to reload another shot
French man wears armor and the arrow doesn't penetrate
french man sucks penis and is gay
Historically Crossbows were very inferior 1-1 with Longbows, their only advantage is the relatively lower amount of training.
less training and better for attacking a fortification as you can aim at a spot forever and fire in a split second
easier to harden an arrowhead than a breastplate, fucko
frenchman lives because they guillotined the crap out of those noblemen that forced them to leave their pavises behind.
They bought guns, actually. France won the 100 years war by utilising firearms while the English stuck to longbows.
>France won the 100 years war by utilising firearms while the English stuck to longbows.
first, this is straight up bullshit
second, you would have to be an actual retard to believe in what you wrote
and promptly gets killed by an archer as proven by many medieval battles
Any examples besides Crecy?
Yes. It's the middle of the night for me so I'm not gonna source you all battles I can think of but a great overall example of bow>crossbow were the central/eastern european battles which are rarely talked about for example the Battle of Grunwald where the Teutonic Knights and their western mercenaries (infantry, knights, artillery and crossbowmen) got btfo by the Polish-Lithuanian forces consisting in large numbers of light cavalry and archers. It's an incredibly kino battle but from what I've seen the english sources are lacking in details. I remember there being some examples in Asia as well but that is not something I know enough of. But to finish this there is a reason why Polish cavalry which was the best in Europe still used bows up to the XVIII century.
counter examples?
poitiers, flander's field, and agincourt.
>agincourt
This really has a lot less to do with long bows more to do with terrible decisions by the French.
Archers still shred frenchies to pieces
see
just because you are too stupid and too lazy to do some research doesn't mean they aren't historical
Yes, yet no one seems to be willing to talk about the french cavalry running over the english in the following battle or the fact that the war was a total loss of english holdings on the continent.
I mean... yeah? And? We are not talking about who won the war or who won the most battles.
Because I thought we were just talking about Archers VS crossbowmen.
>Get pushed by your knights into a disadvantageous position
>try to retreat and redeploy
>They accuse you of cowardice and kill you
>They then charge uphill into the English arrowstorm without any screening from the crossbowmen they just killed
>They get slaughtered
>>do this until your bone shape has changed
fixed that for ya.
All regular heavy exercise leaves testable changes in your bones, this is a half true meme. The current record holder for pulling back a longbow (which shatters historical records) is some manlet (albiet a fairly muscular one) who started after puberty.
If you've ever seen a professional or long-serving archer you will see how thick their shoulders are when doing firing position.
>start when you're eleven years old
honestly how my ancestors did it, can't be any worse for me. Its like a paleo-diet. well at-least I will have plenty of french cuisine. maybe I should take up the long sword as well... then gain something just says zweihander. does anyone else hear the marching of boots?
This thread has be wondering if there has ever been a justified self-defense shooting with a bow and arrow
there has been for 8 centuries
yeah, just search "homeowner kills intruder with bow and arrow" on google.
>be English
>have a war against King John so that the common people may have common land
>have a law that makes archery commonplace and woven into the culture of English national life
>everyone in England owns a sword or a bow on some description for the defence of the realm against Frenchmen, vagabonds and the Scottish.
>Glorious Revolution comes
>King William establishes a Bill of Rights and all Protestants have the right to bare arms "as allowed by law", mostly to defend themselves against the Catholic Irish.
>this becomes the basis of the US constitution.
>18th century comes
>Northern England is the largest and most esteemed gunsmithing industry in the world
>19th century comes
>Britain established an NRA before America does
>British police officers have to borrow local civilians guns to counter Latvian anarchists
>20th century
>a few shootings by derranged people who bought revolvers from gun stores
>because the right to bare arms is suffixed with "as allowed by law" it is easily reversed
>now British people can't even own pepper spray
How did Anglos become such a buckbroken people so quickly? Two generations between "we will fight them ..." and "save a loife, bin that knoife"
End of Cold War and Tony Blair being Prime Minister
America broke them with Suez, favoring sandmorons over NATO allies.
Wars, especially wars with a high rate of attrition and at least partially volunteer service, don't take anything like a perfect cross section of the populace out of circulation, they over select for positive masculine traits.
Think about the people who volunteered to fight in the world wars, the deaths in these conflicts selected overwhelmingly for aggression and assertiveness, which means the deaths also selected for the highest testosterone.
Then look at the people who left Britain, either as prisoners or as emigrants over the last few hundred years. Overwhelmingly selected for Aggression and Disagreeableness, which also means that loss selected for Testosterone.
Add on to all of that sixty years of psychotic negative conditioning and the surprising thing isn't how fucked they are, it's how they aren't fucked worse.
It doesn't matter how strong and fierce your population is to begin with if you skim the top 10% of manly combative traits off for a couple hundred years you'll be left with blubbering slug people. Trait-selective demographic damage does absolutely horrific things to a population.
I don't quite buy "muh alpha genes" as a comprehensive explanation considering most of continental Europe went through similar stuff without ending up as pathetic as Britain.
Most of continental europe went through similar stuff and is exactly as pathetic as Britain. France, Germany, all of northern europe, Italy, they're packed with degenerate crybabies.
Didn't Sweden more or less stay out of both world wars?
Demographic selection against masculinity is a major factor in the masculine downfall of western Europe, but it's not the only thing in the world that can cause a horrible trait selective decline.
Hell look at America and Australia, some of the most aggressive stock on the planet and much less population loss focused on positive traits (we could argue how much damage the Civil War did but the men of the country remained fairly healthy for about a hundred years post war), yet both are at the absolute breaking point for other reasons.
I dont mean to downplay the effect propaganda has by any means.
>How did they go from fanatically fighting against the enemy of the garden gnomes to being garden gnome'd at home?
One of life's great mysteries I guess
Why are the koreans the only ones who make movies with actual war archery techniques?
Cause archery is a national sport there. Some Legolas techniques would probably be spotted as bullshit by the people that go to the bowrange regularly and know what it implies to shoot a bow.
Have you SEEN their olympic archery team? morons are ballistics computers who walk on two legs and eat weird things.
Your pic opened to me a world of korean movies with bows and other cool weapons and armors.
Koreans are the only ones that make actual historicals anymore, western "historicals" now are people wearing brown and black leather armor, grumbling, rolling around in shit, and living in torchlit mud huts with a grey/blue filter over the entire movie because sunlight and color didn't exist in the past.
>back mounted quiver
>historical
Lmao fucking redditors
Not an archer by any means, but quivers were usually wore on the side right? Did archers carry melee weapons as well?
Nice display of the Dunning-Kruger-Effect, boy
The arrow is on the wrong side of the riser, you fucking retard.
work on your bait gay
NTA but
is wrong, he has his thumb over his index finger instead of under it, though I think they get it right in the rest of the movie.
>moronanon uses a pic of incorrect technique and ahistoric quiver placement
God, you can't get anything right.
Just buy an archery and then get into it
t. PrepHole expert on everything
Please don't fall for the recurve meme, anon. Just get a starter compound bow.
Came for this and I used to shoot competition archery. Start light so you don't develop bad habits. 45lbs or less draw weight. Focus on being able to sink every shaft into a tennis ball at 20 yards before you think about increasing draw weight. I killed my first deer at 10 with a 45lb draw compound so it's still a very lethal weight.
Buy used as you'll save a lot of $$ on something you'll replace anyway. Pin sights are cheap and abundant and work plenty fine. Get it checked out by your local bow shop as it might save you a hand/eye because bows can and do fail (strong/cam/etc).
Practice is 99% of archery, gear is 1%. I can outshoot most guys with their insane setups because they don't practice all that much. Shoot every day even if it's only a dozen times. It isn't like shooting guns, your skill at it wanes much faster without frequent practice.
Don't listen to any longbow/recurve gays. I own and shoot both frequently but they're not nearly as good to start on initially.
I didn't start until some french canadians migrated to my neighborhood. They are a few generations removed from continental europe and so am I but trying to pincushion those crapauds just came naturally. Last time I saw that hook nosed cunt I tried to bash him up with a big hammer too
Buy a sword, I guess.
>buy samick sage
>make sure the limbs are somewhere in the 25-35 pound range when you start out
>don't go too high, unless you work out your back and shoulder muscles a lot you probably can't draw nearly as much weight as you think you can, and that's ok. Besides, you can always buy stronger limbs later on.
>When your bow arrives, measure your draw length (not going to go into that here, there are articles that explain it far better than I can)
>Arrows are best purchased in person, but online can work as well. Buy Easton, they're good. This is the spine chart for easton arrows (At least I think so, you may want to check their website), and if you want them to behave right when they get released, you'll want to follow it. The Y axis is your draw weight, which you match up with the weight of your arrowhead (125gr is good, I'd recommend that). The X axis is your draw length. Find where the two intersect and buy some arrows with that spine rating.
>when your arrows arrive, I'd recommend getting them cut to size, which can be done by most sporting goods stores that stock archery supplies. Leaving them uncut will affect your accuracy, but not by a whole lot relatively speaking, so you're fine going with uncut arrows for now if you must.
>in terms of targets, foam block targets are great. They're a bit pricey, but they last forever so it's worth it in the long run.
>Buy a decent archery glove and arm guard.
>when it comes to actually shooting, focus on pulling with your back muscles, not your arms. There's a lot to aiming and technique that I won't go into, it might be a good idea to take a class or two. Also youtube is a good resource, nusensei especially.
>If you like it, then you can decide where you want to go from there. In terms of traditional archery, nomad warrors sells horsebows and other eastern style shortbows for every budget and preference, the longbow shop sells... longbows, and if you're interested in japanese archery then ebay is your friend.
Also, I forgot to mention that you may want to consider investing in a fletching jig and fletching glue. You'll have to refletch your arrows eventually, and it pays off to be able to do it yourself. Plus you can put whatever color or pattern fletchings you want on your arrows, and customization is always fun.
>make sure the limbs are somewhere in the 25-35 pound range when you start out
yeah I thought I was a tough guy and bought 50 pound limbs for ragim takedown. I was surprised and instantly humbled when I tried shooting it. went down to 30 and worked my way up. It's so much fun I got a lot of respect for people who do traditional bow hunting
yeah from what I hear 45 is the absolute max a beginner should start out with, and that's only if they're an in shape guy
there are several options, the ceapest is to get a 1" PVC, heat gun, 550 cord, ductape and wooden dowls.
the cheap starter is a 35lb take down re-curve, get at-least 12 arrows and bag target.
nu sensei has a lot of good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/c/NUSensei
of course you could always be patrician and sell all your stuff and go become a mongol horse bowmen
Don't you americans have archery clubs? Here are quite common
Some gun clubs have archery sections.
Mandatum?
if you're actually serious get on the google machine and find an archery range in your area
are you serious or what? it's a super common sport, I did it as a kid and then my parents got into it, we all did recurve and my dad also did traditional archery (no sights, no gibbledymoron on your bow)
so even if you're a gay retard who had no intention to go through with it and have prepared excuses about how modern archery doesn't count there's still an active subclass for shooting traditional longbows
if you live in a place where you can shoot, buy a $100-150 recurve bow on amazon and have at it. That's about as complicated as it gets
any specific models for recurves you guys recommend? and is there any sense in buying a compound one as your first bow?
The gut earlier recommended the samick sage takedown recurve, they seem to be pretty popular. Gonna grab one myself
Just make one out of pvc pipe.