>98% white eu countries vs 41% white (spics included) USA
1 year ago
Anonymous
>gets arrested for telling a refugee that raping 9yo girls isn't a good thing >gets arrested for training their dog to hold its paw up >gets arrested for trying to treat their terminally ill child in another country >gets arrested for owning WWII memorabilia >gets arrested for making a satirical balloon of a politician >gets arrested for calling someone a gay on Twitter >gets arrested for having more than one person in their apartment during scamdemic >gets arrested for failing to register their tactical bread knife >gets arrested for suggesting that the country should focus on its own poverty issues before catering to refugees >gets arrested for owning a vehicle that gets less than 30mpg >gets arrested for trying to buy a Nerf gun whilst under 18 years of age >gets arrested for watching porn without the proper porn license >gets arrested chasing a burglar off with a broom handle >gets arrested for telling a cop he's a road pirate
1 year ago
Anonymous
>gets btfo so he has to resort to made up stuff cookedup from some schizoid /misc/tard
How's the drag queen teaching kimd in the US going?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>totally made up you guys, I swear!
Post your non country so I can pull the news articles and arrest reports.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Czech Republic. Go on. I want a news article for every single arrest you made up. Don't run away.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Got what I was looking for. How embarrassing for you it must be to financially and militarily dependant on hispanics and trannies. I'd kill myself tbqhwyf.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>makes stuff up about arrests >gets btfo and proven wrong >moves the goalpost
I accept your defeat. >receiving free money from mutts
Thanks, wagie. Your hard work is paying my next vacation 😉
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'll post my proof when you prove America is only 41% white. Until then, I relish knowing hispanics and trannies own you. >vacation
Oh how sad. Neets such as myself are on a 24/7 vacation, sweetie. You're only proving yourself more pathetic by the reply.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>further moves the goalpost >admits to being a society reject
I bet you're also noguns
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Gets Czeched out >Seethes
Kek burgers are so fricking stupid
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Got what I was looking for
Getting btfo?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Literally all of that happened yoj fricking homosexual euro.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post some evidence? Or was it all revealed to you in a dream?
French guns laws are less strict than the ones of California or New York. New Jersey too probably. It's fricked up that american states may end having less right on guns than France.
For sure, California is better than France when it comes to using your guns for self-defense. Remember the convenience store with the old guy shooting the dude's arm off with a shotgun? The only consequence for the old man was everyone, including police, clapped and called him a hero. They won't be so friendly to you in France.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They won't be so friendly to you in France.
They will, the only difference is that whike in the US you can be let off immediately if the situation looks okay, in France a judge has to declare you not under investigation which usually in clear cases of self defence takes a week. You won't lose your licence nor your guns.
>ha! You can't own an authentic 4-6 MOA battle rifle!
Damn anon. Guess we'll have to stick with repro AR10's, or modern AR10's, or SCARs, or the XCR, or a multitude of bullpup 308's. Really sucks not being able to buy a rifle purely on aesthetics and brand name.
AR10s and SCARs are a thing here too. XCRs were only available to the frogs and that's pretty much the only thing I'm salty about because it has some of that FAL form factor in a modern rifle
Of course you can. After a gorillion dollars in taxes and fees, an encyclopedia's worth of paperwork, months of waiting, a gloved finger up your ass, registering the gun (lmao) and swearing up and down it's strictly for sporting use and you'd never use it to shoot a burgl- ahem, I mean a choir boy on his way to volunteer at the soup kitchen.
>kit build bad
It shoots bullets all the same, if I really had my panties in a twist over the incorrect reciever I could pony up for an imbel and it would be the same difference as a proper Brazilian import.
fpbp, came to read it, and im a hasgun euro. Plus, DD is US made, no ? Anyways, more and more young white euros are going the gun way because of societal collapsus and mass thirld-worlders migrations. We know. They know. Govs know. Everyone knows.
>more and more young white euros are going the gun way because of societal collapsus and mass thirld-worlders migrations
Yeah I'm certain they know >sandBlack folk raping and murdering >part and parcel! you can't generalize! >someone commits a shooting with an illegal firearm >reee ban all firearms ownership!!!
Whats the point in being able to own guns when you let black people and hispanics walk all over you. Your kids have mandatory pronoun classes and you are ruled by Israel.
At least I can shoot a colored burglar and be the righteous party. If a Mudslime rapes your daughter and you defend her, it's three years in prison for you for hate crimes. God forbid you kill the poor refugee; then it's 15 years for manslaughter.
Can own a gun here (Netherlands), as a sports shooter or a hunter. But you need to go through some checks and have records proving recent experience handling and using it at an accredited shooting range. >No criminal record >Psychological test >keep a record >18x using a firearm at an accredited shooting range in the past year. >Adhere to some other requirements that involve storing and transporting conditions of munition and weapons. >Your license needs renewal once a year, but this is just a technicality if you keep up with logging your practice sessions,
tl;dr: can own a gun, if you like to shoot often, not have a criminal record, be psychological stable, know and follow (basic) rules about handling guns and munition.
Not just that but having land to actually shoot on. I grew up in Europe and there's very few countries where you can go out into the wilderness and shoot, because there's basically no true wilderness in Europe barring the Scandis and a few national parks.
How is it a rental when it's harder for the police to take away my guns here than in the US? You cucks have fricking red flag laws.
Have you kneeled for BLM and Queer school kids today?
Have you found somewhere on the internet that speaks your native tongue? Keep replying in English you mindbroken, seething chattle. >yes Mr. Government, I'm a good goyim that did all your dances just right, please let me have my baubles now. >why yes I tell you every gun I own, who I bought it from how I keep it in my home, who has access to it and get permission slips to take it anywhere.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>yes ms ATF, I will comply. I will not put a stock on my sbr. >I will use the cuck brace >i won't cut down my barrel leght without your permission >why yes I will ask permission to buy suppressors >why yes mr ATF I'm too dumb to understand English comes from England, not the US so trying to brag that way makes me into the personification of the "american education" meme >why yes, I'm an american noguns neet that can only move the goalpost in my neverending seethe
1 year ago
Anonymous
homosexual hiljaa
1 year ago
Anonymous
Curious that you still haven't posted a single gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He can't, he doesn't own any and he's probably underage.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Be fat moronic American >Own no guns >Have no language
Kek
They are pretty average across the board. The M&P pistols have dog shit triggers unless it's one of the new flat trigger models and they refuse to update the whole line to that design. I think their 22s beat Ruger guns at their lower price points, but Ruger offers nicer models for more money. Their revolvers are their high point, but even those are filled with MIM parts and aren't as strong as their competition.
I'll tack on Thompson/Center as part of S&W since the only T/C gun I have says it was built in the S&W factory. Their bolt rifles are cheap, accurate, and don't seem to have any long-standing design flaws like Savage rifles. Their 10/22 clone is well made and has a lot of nice design changes compared to the Ruger guns.
Ruger has blown S&W out of the water for decades in literally every category, they make better revolvers, autoloaders, and rifles and they also cost less than shit and wesson.
it's a temporary setbak, not loss. soon i'll get my degree, get a job and buy myself a gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I guess in the same way that bread lines are only temporary setbacks. After all, you eventually get the bread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also Jesus fricking Christ those groupings, do you have cerebral palsy
1 year ago
Anonymous
nope. but i have poor stess managment and my brother is terribe shooting instructor.
1 year ago
Sage
This is what every noob's targets look like, don't act like you were never this bad.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I started on an SKS with off sights and no my groups were never this ass.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The first time I went shooting all I had was a .22lr pistol and I shot groups not even half this size. Anon wasn't even shooting at long range either.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>unfortunate yuro proves everything that is being said about him with each increasing post
1 year ago
Anonymous
like what? my brother owns guns, which means that the statement that europeans can't own guns is false.
1 year ago
Anonymous
he doesn't own guns, he's loaning them for the duration of his license. if I don't renew my drivers license, cops don't show up to repo my car; because I fundamentally own it. this if not true of guns anywhere in Europe except maybe Switzerland.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not true of Czechia either I think
1 year ago
Anonymous
Czechia is way better than Switzerland for gun ownership. They actually get to legally carry guns for self-defense.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Finland too, though things were much better before the kneejerk muh school shootings law of 2011 and muh pander to EU masters law of 2019. You can still own bolt actions and pump shotguns in perpetuity
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not true in italy as well.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>this if not true of guns anywhere in Europe except maybe Switzerland.
Finland would like to disagree
>needs to beg his government to grant him the privilege of owning a gun license >cant shoot outside specialty ranges >cant use it to defend himself >cant take it backpacking
How? My license is just for purchasing them. Once it expires no one is coming for my guns unless I commit a crime like murder etc. I knew americans were dumb, but I didn't expect them to be THIS dumb.
1 year ago
Anonymous
converted Saiga Rifle to AK style
Shit fore-grip
No wear or tear.
Supports Nazism >you talk tough for a closet queen >go frick yourself Nazi lover boi
1 year ago
Anonymous
>converted Saiga Rifle to AK style
You prove your ignorance. Cucked sporting Saigas are a thing only in muttland. See the lack of the two missing triggerpack pins? Here in europe Izhmash aks are sold in their proper uncucked form, american noguns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also. Learn to greentext. Your newhomosexualry is seeping out together with your tears.
1 year ago
Anonymous
moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it's sucks that you can't do all that stuff, though, but you can in the US
1 year ago
Anonymous
I can though? I can bring my gun on all land that is not private (minus national parks). I can shoot innawoods as long as I am not within 150m to an habitated house. I can use it to defend myself. Stop believing everything you hear on /misc/.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You'll get in trouble for it, though, lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
For what? Shooting innawoods? Nope. For self defence? Nope. The only times someone here got in trouble for self defence that I know of was when they were moronic enough to chase a bulglar that tried to steal a generator to his house and killed him and his wife in their home. (Based, but you'd be incarcerated even in texas)
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"Let me explain your country's firearm and self defense laws to you."
The absolute STATE of burgers kek
Finland, Switzerland, Cz, France, Italy, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, hungary, Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania and Austria all have better gun laws than shitholes like california and all other US states that have restrictions on magazine capacity and "assault weapons"
I mean it makes total sense. Poorgay guns exist to service the poorgay market. With all sorts of regulations and licenses involved in euro firearms ownership, poorgays are priced out; so the demographic who would be buying taurus and hi points cant own guns. Brands like that just couldn't exist in Europe, since guns are only for the rich and the rich dont buy the cheapest shit.
>How do gun loving Americans cope with all the best gun manufacturers being European?
I think its great. I only wish brits would make more guns. >that line in blood meridian about how the gunsmith refused to cut down the beautiful side by side english shotguns for toadvine
Kac isn't european. Lol. You are deluded sir. A man who eats steak every night occasionally feels like stepping out and eating fast food. Something different. All it is.
Wilson Combat is more of a small custom shop rather than a large manufacturer. Steyr, IWI, and Colt are also S-tier if Glock, Walther, and S&W are considered S-tier.
>Colt, Bersa, Canik >A-tier
This has to be bait. No rational person would include Bersa and Canik in A-tier, they're comfortably C-tier. Colt of 2023 is a solid B-tier company at this point.
I'm really crossing my fingers that Colt will bring back the 901 this year at Shot Show since they quietly brought back the M4 monolithics after paying the loisence to LMT. I think now most people are just buying revolvers from Colt, and there's nothing wrong with that. Colt revolvers and 1911s are for people who want the aesthetics and namesake.
Honestly I'd throw canik in B, I've seen one as low as 280 at a LGS. That's like couch change cheap. My buddy's has served him well for over a year now. Only time we've ever had issues with it is when his mother was limp writing it really bad with a low grip.
>Glock Perfection >S-tier
Since when do fanboys of S-tier guns replace the sights, barrels, slides, backplates, magazine releases, triggers, frames, and magazines right out of the box? Glock is a B tier manufacturer with S-tier market saturation.
just because your dad hated glocks and passed that hate on to you doesn't mean they are bad guns.
They are great out of the box and go bang every time, and only fricking morons who like modifying shit or people that make raceguns change everything about them.
I know at least 100 people that own glocks and maybe three of them are modified.
They aren't even my favorite gun or manufacturer but I can at least be objective enough to know they are great handguns.
To say otherwise is stupid and reeks of hating them because all your friends do.
>They are great out of the box
plastic sights, terrible triggers, terrible grip angle, no beavertail, etc. >and go bang every time
So do most guns. Being functional doesn't make a gun S-tier.
>Being functional doesn't make a gun S-tier.
uh yes it does, the sole reason almost every other gun on that list isn't S tier is due to producing an overwhelming amount of non-functional shit. The irony of you b***hing about Glocks when Sig is still in the S-tier list is comical. Sig barely makes functional shit and had a 10+ year span of fricking up almost everything they touched.
Just because you personally don't like that shit about Glocks once again does not make them bad guns. Look up what the word Subjective means.
Their grip angle has never bothered me, new ones have an optional beaver tail, the trigger has never been a problem for me (maybe you have a skill issue?) the sights I'll admit aren't fantastic but they are 100% usable so once again maybe its a skill issue.
>unprompted glocktard seething over Sig superiority
lol like clockwork. Sig is innovative, and the P320 actually has great sights and triggers out of the box, so yes they deserve to be S-tier. Glock also has a history of producing nonfunctional shit like the Glock 44 and the entire MOS system. Saying "skill issue" over and over doesn't remedy the fact that Sig is now preferred over Glock by professional users such as all six branches of the United States military.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the entire MOS system
What's wrong with it?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well known for having shit plates with loose tolerances that the aftermarket had to remedy just like everything else Glock OEM.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Kek, that's bs. You should have at least went with " its inferior to milled because the plate makes the sight sit too high". Post guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
>projecting
every time.
just admit it, you hate glocks because someone you respected made an impression on you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No I just think Glocks are completely average and unremarkable. Just because I don't think they're S-tier doesn't mean I "hate" them. Why are glocktards always so insecure?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Why are glocktards always so insecure?
because we are poor
1 year ago
Anonymous
>innovative >subcompacts are direct ripoffs of ancient keltec designs >p320s took forever to include drop safety standard on handguns for the better part of a century >XM5 is an M14 with entirely steel cased ammo
1 year ago
Anonymous
>SIG is innovative
How so?
P320 and MCX are innovative whether you like it or not.
>sccy and hipoint BAD because uhhhhhhhhh
Why are self-proclaimed gun fans so hostile to the idea of a gun that doesn't win beauty contests and is just designed to be an actually affordable device that works? Sorry you need to compensate for a little something something by spending four digits on a flashy looker of a gun.
Poorgays shouldn't exist is why.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the MCX is innovative
How so?
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's a modular next generation mutlicaliber assault rifle that is actually supported. The only other manufacturer that comes close to competing is LMT.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's a short stroke piston gun in a cartridge with performance suspiciously similar to 7.62 NATO, also known as a bog standard battle rifle for the past 70 years. The supposedly innovative two-part cases don't introduce any weight savings or do anything innovative except for being too high pressure to be adapted to other weapons. It also weighs 50% more than the weapon it was designed to replace, and its stated purpose of defeating Russian wunderwaffe body armor is moot because we've recently learned that vatnik penal battallions don't fricking wear body armor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're talking about the XM5. I'm talking about the MCX in general. No one here has an XM5, so it's pointless to debate on how good or bad it actually is. The MCX "platform" (for lack of a better term) itself is innovative. Case in point, the Rattler is the best PDW on the market right now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>P320 >Innovative copying Steyr's separate grip and fire control modules >Innovative safety concepts like 'not drop safe' and 'sear randomly releases in holster when bumped' >Innovative rush job design produces only modern striker pistol with high bore axis
>MCX >Innovative AR-18 clone
1 year ago
Anonymous
>SIG is innovative
How so?
1 year ago
Anonymous
They appeal to me with tacticool ads on TV.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sig must heard that spiel that "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people", and took it as a challenge.
>Steyr doesn't make functional firearms >Mossberg doesn't make functional firearms
Steyr and Mossberg both make one best-in-class product that people care about and a few others that are ignored. Glock makes one good product that isn't even best-in-class. A-tier at best, saved by the aftermarket.
>Being functional doesn't make a gun S-tier.
uh yes it does, the sole reason almost every other gun on that list isn't S tier is due to producing an overwhelming amount of non-functional shit. The irony of you b***hing about Glocks when Sig is still in the S-tier list is comical. Sig barely makes functional shit and had a 10+ year span of fricking up almost everything they touched.
Just because you personally don't like that shit about Glocks once again does not make them bad guns. Look up what the word Subjective means.
Their grip angle has never bothered me, new ones have an optional beaver tail, the trigger has never been a problem for me (maybe you have a skill issue?) the sights I'll admit aren't fantastic but they are 100% usable so once again maybe its a skill issue.
At best you could argue Glock is A-tier but certainly not S-tier by modern standards.
I would put it high B-tier because there are a few models that are very good. Some models can be a hit or miss though. I've always liked the Gen-3 glocks
Since always >HK
Just let me get the aftermarket sights, extended magazine release, light lem trigger parts and rail adapter then it'll be good! >beretta
Let me get the aftermarket sights, VZ thin grips, Langdon trigger bar, 14 pound hammer spring, 18 round mec gar mags and metal trigger then it'll be good! >CZ
Let me just get the aftermarket sights, CGW roll pins, HS-13 hammer spring, reduced power trigger return spring and VZ thin grips then it'll be good!
That's untrue. HK in particular. Some guy in my corner of Eurostan was selling his USP or VP9 and his sales pitch was "you won't waste money on aftermarket bits because none exist and you will learn to accept it"
but Hi-Points are off the charts reliable in any and every situation. I wouldnt own one, maybe for shits and giggles, but I shit too much and theres nothing funny about that, so yeah not getting one, but shit tier, thats debatable. I heard a lot of WIlson Combat stuff is expensive SHIT! So smoke that! YOu can also say H&K is Ruger of Germany Colt is Walter germany >p.s. anon I like your chart
I disagree. It's a solid A-tier company because some of their rifles are a bit wonky, especially the bullpups. I think the Croatians do a better bullpup with the VHS imo
I have no experience with the VHS, but it looks long as frick which defeats the entire purpose of using a bullpup IMO. The X95 SBR with the 13" barrel is the same size as an MP5, and the Tavor 7 is the best 308 bullpup. The Galil ACE is the best AK sold on the primary market right now, and the Uzi Pro is unironically a good PDW even though it never really took off. IWI deserves to be S-tier if FN and CZ are.
>sccy and hipoint BAD because uhhhhhhhhh
Why are self-proclaimed gun fans so hostile to the idea of a gun that doesn't win beauty contests and is just designed to be an actually affordable device that works? Sorry you need to compensate for a little something something by spending four digits on a flashy looker of a gun.
the only time i've ever seen a SCCY firearm be shot was after a girl had just purchased it at the shop and brought her Tiffany Blue pistol to the bay next to me where it promptly exploded in her hands.
Putting them in the same tier as Hi Point is frankly and insult to Hi Point.
>amazing shotguns >amazings o/u >amazing pistols >really good smgs >really good rifles >oldest firearm manufacturer in the world >still family owned >told "frick off" to that gay guy getting a custom beretta before the american Beretta USA decided to do the very american thing of ignoring Beretta Italy and worshipping a gay >good clothes line.
Yeah, it's S tier.
Worked there bud >barrels over 50 thousandths out of tolerance being pushed through >heat treatment issues >dimensional tolerance issues >crowning machine ran 15 thousandths off center for two months
Will never buy a Beretta
You left out a few, almost as if you left them out to prove your point, also CZ, Beretta, FN, Sig, Walther, Glock at S tier... LOL: >Daniel Defense >Knights Armament >BCM >Armalite >Barrett >Savage >Seekins >Larue >Geissele >Noveske >Aero >LWRC
You also left out a lot of custom builders: >Staccato >Dan Wesson >Nighthawk Custom
I can go on...
Also many of these companies have both European and American bases of operations. Sig USA is not the same as Sig overseas.
The only manufacturers you listed that are S tier are Knights, Noveske, LWRC, and maybe Larue if I'm being generous. The rest are A-tier at absolute best with Aero and Savage being hard C-tier. >Staccato
Yeah, that's S-tier. Still don't think they're worth their weight in gold, but it's the best 1911 derivative on the market. >Dan Wesson
Owned by CZ lmao >Nighthawk
Lmao anyone who pays over $1500 for a mallninja 1911 is a fricking fool and deserves a ND to the dick.
I would put tikka in A tier. They have really good quality for the price they are at. So while there are better options out their for quality, they have really amazing value. Then again thats really just my opinion and I would rearrange that whole list if it was up to me.
The best gun manufacturers are fricking American. PSA is king. Anyone who disagrees is a fricking homosexual who will spend their life savings on a fricking rollstamp.
You didn't list Grandpower anywhere, the single best European arms maker. This is how I know you are a know nothing, no guns homosexual. Get fricked and ficked, memester.
>typical european gun laws mean that only those with lots of money and time can buy guns >european guns are higher quality and cater to more affluent people >anyone without a felony conviction in America can legally own guns >American companies make guns that anyone can afford.
Wow, what a revelation.
IDK, man. You can get a gun for the same price as a notebook or a fridge over here in Czech Republic and you might never need to buy another, unlike notebook or fridge which you need to replace every seven or so years.
Even absolute poorgays can get one for month of their wage.
Americans can’t use a gun though. Shoot a Black person with it and prepare to get sodomized forever in federal prison. This is why right wing politics is moronic. Focused around being able to own while the front of being able to use it in self defense has been completely lost. But muh bump stocks!
If you follow defensive shootings in the US, you'll see that the vast majority of them end with no charges for the defender. You're probably thinking of the taco shop shooting in Houston, right? Even though he finished off the robber with a headshot while he was on the ground, the grand jury is absolutely going to recommend no action be taken against the shooter.
>OP claims best guns are made in europe >barely anybody even talks about said manufacturers >entire thread Is filled and derailed with amerishart cope and misinformation
Why do i still come here?
Im talking more about the general misinformation about gun ownership in europe. Why is the UK and germany always the standard for measuring gun ownership? Wouldnt that be the equivalent of assuming that the gun laws in all states are the same as they are in CA and NY?
Because you're drawn to us like a rescued puppy. We bailed you out TWICE and even gave you half our GDP to rebuild your dilapidated shanty towns after Hans and Rasputin glassed and occupied your countries. I mean, let's be honest: the entirety of the EU would be Moldova-tier if you weren't given billions to rebuild. You can shit on us all you want for being fat and Zionists and not having muh """free""" healthcare, but you'd be living in the equivalent of District 9 right now under a Xi or Putin occupation without that McDonalds and Starbucks in your financial district. Now, Björn, I hope I answered your question sufficiently and in a way that makes sense.
You massively overestimate how much the Marshall Plan actually cost and how much it ultimately contributed. Also fricking lmao at the notion that without it Europe would be third world. We fought wars that killed half our populations before America was even discovered and always recovered fine
>You massively overestimate how much the Marshall Plan actually cost and how much it ultimately contributed. >how much it ultimately contributed.
He does not.
Is that why you are poor? Did we not give you enough free money to become first world nations?
Oh well, enjoy being slaves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Look ma I can cherrypick statistics too! Also >le 61% white nation
1 year ago
Anonymous
>61
Dude, it's even worse. They were 51% white counting spics, lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They were 51% white counting spics, lmao
If we counted them we would be 70% lmao.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no really, gdp per capital is a better metrics of wealth than MEDIAN PPP income.
Yuropoor education everyone.
No brains and no guns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Which of those better reflects where people are wealthy? Where do you think that 200k figure comes from?
https://i.imgur.com/0QRdSTf.jpg
>>le 61% white nation
[...] >were 51% white
Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
mutt lmao. Unfortunately grandpas Ariernachweis isn't here right now, but it's cute that you flex being 80%
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Which of those better reflects where people are wealthy?
The average yuro (you) is poorer than the average American. There are more wealthier Americans than wealthier yuros, thus:yuropoors.
And to answer your question: more than 6.5% of American households earn more than 200,000 dollars per year.
Now go find the yuropoor number, slave.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Do you feel safe in your cardboard house? Wouldn't want one of these
fellas in there eh? Can you see the wealth burger? You can't, because you aren't actually wealthy. You just took all the israelite billionaires. Maybe look up your Gini Coefficient sweetie. And if that was your genealogy test, those israelites now have your DNA because of your racial insecurity lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah it'd suck if Americans homes didn't protect them from the environment that they lived in and tens of thousands of them died because they were too poor to afford AC. That'd be freaking tragic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_European_heat_waves
It'd be extra tragic if this was a recurring theme in yurope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave
It'd lay bare how pathetic artitecture is in America when 70,000 people died because it got kind of warm outside.
Oh wait.
https://i.imgur.com/Ff3U1MA.jpg
>Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
All three wrong.
Nice 3 sq meter patio, poor. Does it come with AC?
1 year ago
Anonymous
70k people die yearly from opioid ODs in your very wealthy and functional nation bubs
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lets not talk about houses protecting you from the elements when entire towns are destroyed in the US because some wind blew down the plywood buildings.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>yuro dies from heat
THAT DOESNT COUNT >American survives 400kph winds
Jajajajajajaja silly Americans, don't know how to build houses.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>le 61% white nation
>61
Dude, it's even worse. They were 51% white counting spics, lmao
>were 51% white
Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
All three wrong.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>looks at filename
I know PrepHole scrubs metadata, but it doesn't scrub filenames. Got any pics from this decade?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Better?
Yeah it'd suck if Americans homes didn't protect them from the environment that they lived in and tens of thousands of them died because they were too poor to afford AC. That'd be freaking tragic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_European_heat_waves
It'd be extra tragic if this was a recurring theme in yurope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave
It'd lay bare how pathetic artitecture is in America when 70,000 people died because it got kind of warm outside.
Oh wait.
[...]
Nice 3 sq meter patio, poor. Does it come with AC?
>Nice 3 sq meter patio, poor
It's actually a terrace that circles 3/4 of the house, in my property on the alps. Are you that intimidated by real houses that are not made of cardboard? Or are you just a salty city dweller?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You should actually read the articles you try to own us with. >Marshall Plan was worth Europe's entire collective GDP >Europe literally on the brink of economic collapse >assuming you recovered at all, it would've taken decades, more than enough time for Stalin and Gorbachev to steamroll you
Kek
>S-TIER
HK being s-tier is a fricking joke. They haven't inovated since the 80s. >A-TIER
BERSA is B-tier at best. >B-TIER
Missing Remington, Winchester. >C-TIER
I agree. They all are gimmick gun brands. >F-TIER
SCCY should be C-TIER. For a smol american company it has some charm.
Its not as chinsy as Hi-point and not likely to blow up in your hand like Jimenez or some other ungodly off brand gun.
american "gun manufacurers" are just douchebags who have lifted trucks and wanted to make a quick buck so bought a haas vf-2 and a tombsone and started spitting out ar-15 lowers of unknown llc
to make easy money
since haas machines suck frick they ship with the chatter and loose goosey tolerances
Pretty good considering most of these companies clamor for American market share, going out of their way to open U.S branches, doing what they can to import their guns, even creating iterative changes to their firearms solely to cater to the American market. Feels good knowing that they're desperately trying whatever they can to make a sale.
I've never heard of anyone complain about their Browning product in any way outside from price, meanwhile Ruger has had >Safety recall on mkiv >Slide rust on LCP max >Slides that weren't properly heat treated on their Ruger American pistol
Springfield: >Hi power clones sent in for repair like crazy at start >Same thing with their 2011s
rust on LCP Max
Stay the frick away from this gun if you plan to CC. It will rust even with regular cleanings, and not just the slide too. Picrel is mine with rust on the mag release.
By being able to own them
Eurobros? Our response?
It's not really wrong ... although there is a way in most countries to own most stuff, there is a lot more BS in the way of doing so.
Your usual response is bowing and paying taxes to your inbred royal over lords
Better than kneeling to BLM and israelites. You're a minority in your own country.
Your utter lack of self-awerness is amazing.
>98% white eu countries vs 41% white (spics included) USA
>gets arrested for telling a refugee that raping 9yo girls isn't a good thing
>gets arrested for training their dog to hold its paw up
>gets arrested for trying to treat their terminally ill child in another country
>gets arrested for owning WWII memorabilia
>gets arrested for making a satirical balloon of a politician
>gets arrested for calling someone a gay on Twitter
>gets arrested for having more than one person in their apartment during scamdemic
>gets arrested for failing to register their tactical bread knife
>gets arrested for suggesting that the country should focus on its own poverty issues before catering to refugees
>gets arrested for owning a vehicle that gets less than 30mpg
>gets arrested for trying to buy a Nerf gun whilst under 18 years of age
>gets arrested for watching porn without the proper porn license
>gets arrested chasing a burglar off with a broom handle
>gets arrested for telling a cop he's a road pirate
>gets btfo so he has to resort to made up stuff cookedup from some schizoid /misc/tard
How's the drag queen teaching kimd in the US going?
>totally made up you guys, I swear!
Post your non country so I can pull the news articles and arrest reports.
Czech Republic. Go on. I want a news article for every single arrest you made up. Don't run away.
Got what I was looking for. How embarrassing for you it must be to financially and militarily dependant on hispanics and trannies. I'd kill myself tbqhwyf.
>makes stuff up about arrests
>gets btfo and proven wrong
>moves the goalpost
I accept your defeat.
>receiving free money from mutts
Thanks, wagie. Your hard work is paying my next vacation 😉
I'll post my proof when you prove America is only 41% white. Until then, I relish knowing hispanics and trannies own you.
>vacation
Oh how sad. Neets such as myself are on a 24/7 vacation, sweetie. You're only proving yourself more pathetic by the reply.
>further moves the goalpost
>admits to being a society reject
I bet you're also noguns
>Gets Czeched out
>Seethes
Kek burgers are so fricking stupid
>Got what I was looking for
Getting btfo?
Literally all of that happened yoj fricking homosexual euro.
Post some evidence? Or was it all revealed to you in a dream?
Says the guy who's whole nation bent itself over for Black folk for the world to see
My country sinks Africans to the bottom of the sea
Have fun when your government shuts down in a few days lmao
4 years old pic, but still. I've got an Uzi and another shotgun with long barrel since. Plan to buy a small 22LR AR during the year.
The fact that I have more rights than CA or NY residents is fricked up. And France is not even the more open minded country about guns in Europe.
>The fact that I have more rights than CA or NY residents is fricked up
What?
French guns laws are less strict than the ones of California or New York. New Jersey too probably. It's fricked up that american states may end having less right on guns than France.
Any American with a brain knows NY, CA, and for fricking sure NJ are garbage fricking places.
For sure, California is better than France when it comes to using your guns for self-defense. Remember the convenience store with the old guy shooting the dude's arm off with a shotgun? The only consequence for the old man was everyone, including police, clapped and called him a hero. They won't be so friendly to you in France.
>They won't be so friendly to you in France.
They will, the only difference is that whike in the US you can be let off immediately if the situation looks okay, in France a judge has to declare you not under investigation which usually in clear cases of self defence takes a week. You won't lose your licence nor your guns.
ca va pas durer longtemps papa macron va classer tout ca en cat a bientot ne tkt pas ca va bien s'passer
Can we stop acting like the only country in Europe is the UK?
Every country on this continent is a feudal shithole.
The irony of this is that most European countries are more democratic than the US's gerrymandered two-party system.
Don't remind him that, he'll pop a vein and get 500k usd in medical bill debt.
I am European and I own guns
I'm sure, now back to work.
old pic, I sold it and got me a O/U
I also plan on buying a pistol in a few months
I dont have to plan on it. I can go the store whenever I want and walk out with one
>plan on buying a pistol in a few months
Is this the power of being an absolute slave of your government?
Yeah tell that to the judge
You can't even own proper FALs
>your grave will be marked "kit build"
>ha! You can't own an authentic 4-6 MOA battle rifle!
Damn anon. Guess we'll have to stick with repro AR10's, or modern AR10's, or SCARs, or the XCR, or a multitude of bullpup 308's. Really sucks not being able to buy a rifle purely on aesthetics and brand name.
AR10s and SCARs are a thing here too. XCRs were only available to the frogs and that's pretty much the only thing I'm salty about because it has some of that FAL form factor in a modern rifle
cool, post your machine guns and standard capacity mags
>CZ
>S tier
Extremely poor quality bait.
t. Czech
>post your machine guns
Post yours.
>post your machine guns
Now u
>can still own FAL's
>can also own every modern .308 battle rifle invented since the 50's
lol
For some reason you think we can't?
Of course you can. After a gorillion dollars in taxes and fees, an encyclopedia's worth of paperwork, months of waiting, a gloved finger up your ass, registering the gun (lmao) and swearing up and down it's strictly for sporting use and you'd never use it to shoot a burgl- ahem, I mean a choir boy on his way to volunteer at the soup kitchen.
Some of that is true in some European countries. The worst offenders are probably shitholes like Germany and Greece
And your proper FAL is where? Show the class, everyone wants to see your proper FAL.
It's an SLR but anyway
>kit build bad
It shoots bullets all the same, if I really had my panties in a twist over the incorrect reciever I could pony up for an imbel and it would be the same difference as a proper Brazilian import.
I live in Texas and do not have a kit build. Pic related, and get fricked.
Gottem
fpbp, came to read it, and im a hasgun euro. Plus, DD is US made, no ? Anyways, more and more young white euros are going the gun way because of societal collapsus and mass thirld-worlders migrations. We know. They know. Govs know. Everyone knows.
DDs are worse than Italian ADCs with European-made barrels
You do dislike ADCs ? I'm searching for datas about them.
ADCs are good, my friend's M5+Aero mutt rifle eats any 55 gr ammo and groups 1 MOA even with Barnaul
Are you moronic? I'm italian and have used ADCs, they are fricking entry levels ARs, why the frick would you ever compare them to fricking DD?
Because DDs aren't worth the inflated price
>more and more young white euros are going the gun way because of societal collapsus and mass thirld-worlders migrations
Yeah I'm certain they know
>sandBlack folk raping and murdering
>part and parcel! you can't generalize!
>someone commits a shooting with an illegal firearm
>reee ban all firearms ownership!!!
I didn't say they weren't leftists and boomers still alive. They are, sadly.
Brutal
Fricking obliterated
> and what happened then...well in burgerland they say, that the eurogay's butthole grew three sizes that day
GOTTEM
fricking obliterated the euros
Whats the point in being able to own guns when you let black people and hispanics walk all over you. Your kids have mandatory pronoun classes and you are ruled by Israel.
Mutts law. And you say Americans are obsessed with black people.
You literally erected one president and mobilized the country for a dead one.
Which dead Black person did we mobilize for? I don't remember that.
At least I can shoot a colored burglar and be the righteous party. If a Mudslime rapes your daughter and you defend her, it's three years in prison for you for hate crimes. God forbid you kill the poor refugee; then it's 15 years for manslaughter.
Blatant samegayging if ever seen it
Wrong, you can also tell I'm actually EU by the timestamp. Definitely not inspect elemented btw.
>implying PrepHolex can't easily show another timezone
Lmao
It was either while I was on break at work or taking a shit at work
My fricking sides. Put me in screencap
fricking amazing
FBPB
Get fricked OP
Cope
FPBP, the serfs produce shit for us they’re not even allowed to own
Can own a gun here (Netherlands), as a sports shooter or a hunter. But you need to go through some checks and have records proving recent experience handling and using it at an accredited shooting range.
>No criminal record
>Psychological test
>keep a record >18x using a firearm at an accredited shooting range in the past year.
>Adhere to some other requirements that involve storing and transporting conditions of munition and weapons.
>Your license needs renewal once a year, but this is just a technicality if you keep up with logging your practice sessions,
tl;dr: can own a gun, if you like to shoot often, not have a criminal record, be psychological stable, know and follow (basic) rules about handling guns and munition.
Frick that
Single shot break barrels aren't exactly "owning guns".
The Dutch can actually own stuff like original AR-10s with giggle switch intact and all. The hoops must be insane though
you can own a semi-automatic rifle
post how get airsoft
>become member of Nederlandse Airsoft Belangen Vereniging (NABV), which is sort of like the NRA for airsofters
>buy airsoft
That's some severely cucked shit.
We can own them, we just can't get them with just coupons at Walmart
Walmart only sells basic b***h 22s. You only get news from PrepHole?
what matters is, you got the point
Niccce. Op slaughtered
Hehehe
Gottem
Go back to /r/jokes, sameboy
damn
Not just that but having land to actually shoot on. I grew up in Europe and there's very few countries where you can go out into the wilderness and shoot, because there's basically no true wilderness in Europe barring the Scandis and a few national parks.
Eh some states dont really allow you to target shoot in the middle of the wilderness either
Florida is really shit for that
We do it in .50 BMG Barrett. Simple as.
>Europeans are highly skilled slaves who make firearms for real men breathing freedom the EuroSlave can only dream of
based
Samegayging Black person
>real men breathing freedom
Ya'll cucks
>t. Got his rental license for his guns from the government.
Every yuro is a slave.
How is it a rental when it's harder for the police to take away my guns here than in the US? You cucks have fricking red flag laws.
Have you kneeled for BLM and Queer school kids today?
Have you found somewhere on the internet that speaks your native tongue? Keep replying in English you mindbroken, seething chattle.
>yes Mr. Government, I'm a good goyim that did all your dances just right, please let me have my baubles now.
>why yes I tell you every gun I own, who I bought it from how I keep it in my home, who has access to it and get permission slips to take it anywhere.
>yes ms ATF, I will comply. I will not put a stock on my sbr.
>I will use the cuck brace
>i won't cut down my barrel leght without your permission
>why yes I will ask permission to buy suppressors
>why yes mr ATF I'm too dumb to understand English comes from England, not the US so trying to brag that way makes me into the personification of the "american education" meme
>why yes, I'm an american noguns neet that can only move the goalpost in my neverending seethe
homosexual hiljaa
Curious that you still haven't posted a single gun.
He can't, he doesn't own any and he's probably underage.
>Be fat moronic American
>Own no guns
>Have no language
Kek
Jesus christ OP fricking obliterated
>obliterated
>ignores multiple europeans who posted their guns itt
For sure, man.
BRITISHER SHOCKED!
>OP status:
>Gone with the Wind
BRVTAL
>s&w as s tier
lol
lmfao
They kind of are though. They're the only real OG American gun manufacturer left standing that has still puts out good shit at a large scale.
kek, imagine believing this.
just because they are old and still exist does not mean they are "S tier".
S&W are kind of like a direct upgrade of Taurus, their revolvers are similarly 2 tiers above their semi auto pistols.
Alright. What's wrong with Smith and Wesson guns then?
They are pretty average across the board. The M&P pistols have dog shit triggers unless it's one of the new flat trigger models and they refuse to update the whole line to that design. I think their 22s beat Ruger guns at their lower price points, but Ruger offers nicer models for more money. Their revolvers are their high point, but even those are filled with MIM parts and aren't as strong as their competition.
I'll tack on Thompson/Center as part of S&W since the only T/C gun I have says it was built in the S&W factory. Their bolt rifles are cheap, accurate, and don't seem to have any long-standing design flaws like Savage rifles. Their 10/22 clone is well made and has a lot of nice design changes compared to the Ruger guns.
I mean if "pretty average wonder 9 with bad trigger" is what we use to say something is bad, then Glock should be nowhere above rank B.
Ruger has blown S&W out of the water for decades in literally every category, they make better revolvers, autoloaders, and rifles and they also cost less than shit and wesson.
You must be a Taurus owner
By actually being allowed to own guns.
Lol
burn
How do most yuros cope not being able to buy those guns?
my brother owns guns and after i get my degree i'll get one too
... so you are a noguns.
Here's a gun yuros made for me but practically none of them can/will ever own.
you have to have stable employment to own guns here, since it's not cheap. you still can own black powder revolver without a permit here
I'm sorry for your loss anon.
it's a temporary setbak, not loss. soon i'll get my degree, get a job and buy myself a gun.
I guess in the same way that bread lines are only temporary setbacks. After all, you eventually get the bread.
Also Jesus fricking Christ those groupings, do you have cerebral palsy
nope. but i have poor stess managment and my brother is terribe shooting instructor.
This is what every noob's targets look like, don't act like you were never this bad.
I started on an SKS with off sights and no my groups were never this ass.
The first time I went shooting all I had was a .22lr pistol and I shot groups not even half this size. Anon wasn't even shooting at long range either.
>unfortunate yuro proves everything that is being said about him with each increasing post
like what? my brother owns guns, which means that the statement that europeans can't own guns is false.
he doesn't own guns, he's loaning them for the duration of his license. if I don't renew my drivers license, cops don't show up to repo my car; because I fundamentally own it. this if not true of guns anywhere in Europe except maybe Switzerland.
Not true of Czechia either I think
Czechia is way better than Switzerland for gun ownership. They actually get to legally carry guns for self-defense.
Finland too, though things were much better before the kneejerk muh school shootings law of 2011 and muh pander to EU masters law of 2019. You can still own bolt actions and pump shotguns in perpetuity
Not true in italy as well.
>this if not true of guns anywhere in Europe except maybe Switzerland.
Finland would like to disagree
Yeah, being born in yurope seems pretty bad.
Poland?
yes
i love my pdp in my eurocuck country.
>pdp
Which one did you get?
4" full size
Bro canik is a copy of this and it's better in every way and it's turkish
>AS not Gen 1
So close.
>practically none of them can/will ever own
Please Anon for the love of god stop taking your knowledge of European firearm laws from /k/ memes.
>Euros need a degree to own a gun
lmao
no, i need a job to have a job to own a gun, and a engineering degree will help me get a well paying job
>and a engineering degree will help me get a well paying job
Nice joke and dubs
just 3d print one
"My brother" hurr
HahahHHHHHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahabababahahahahahahahahahahaha
My brother works at nintendo, after I get my degree I'll work there too.
cool.
playing airshit
By buying them
>random pic from the internet
Yeah, you sure showed us.
But anon, europeans ARE noguns.
>europeans ARE noguns
(You)
>needs to beg his government to grant him the privilege of owning a gun license
>cant shoot outside specialty ranges
>cant use it to defend himself
>cant take it backpacking
>moving the goalpost
Lmao.
Well yeah. You're practically renting your guns.
How? My license is just for purchasing them. Once it expires no one is coming for my guns unless I commit a crime like murder etc. I knew americans were dumb, but I didn't expect them to be THIS dumb.
converted Saiga Rifle to AK style
Shit fore-grip
No wear or tear.
Supports Nazism
>you talk tough for a closet queen
>go frick yourself Nazi lover boi
>converted Saiga Rifle to AK style
You prove your ignorance. Cucked sporting Saigas are a thing only in muttland. See the lack of the two missing triggerpack pins? Here in europe Izhmash aks are sold in their proper uncucked form, american noguns.
Also. Learn to greentext. Your newhomosexualry is seeping out together with your tears.
moron.
it's sucks that you can't do all that stuff, though, but you can in the US
I can though? I can bring my gun on all land that is not private (minus national parks). I can shoot innawoods as long as I am not within 150m to an habitated house. I can use it to defend myself. Stop believing everything you hear on /misc/.
You'll get in trouble for it, though, lol
For what? Shooting innawoods? Nope. For self defence? Nope. The only times someone here got in trouble for self defence that I know of was when they were moronic enough to chase a bulglar that tried to steal a generator to his house and killed him and his wife in their home. (Based, but you'd be incarcerated even in texas)
>"Let me explain your country's firearm and self defense laws to you."
The absolute STATE of burgers kek
A tale as old as time, really.
They move to Finland, Cz, Poland or Switzerland to be able to
So most of yuro is a noguns shithole. I think we established that. Meanwhile the rest of yurope is worse than anywhere in the United States.
Finland, Switzerland, Cz, France, Italy, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, hungary, Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania and Austria all have better gun laws than shitholes like california and all other US states that have restrictions on magazine capacity and "assault weapons"
I mean it makes total sense. Poorgay guns exist to service the poorgay market. With all sorts of regulations and licenses involved in euro firearms ownership, poorgays are priced out; so the demographic who would be buying taurus and hi points cant own guns. Brands like that just couldn't exist in Europe, since guns are only for the rich and the rich dont buy the cheapest shit.
>How do gun loving Americans cope with all the best gun manufacturers being European?
I think its great. I only wish brits would make more guns.
>that line in blood meridian about how the gunsmith refused to cut down the beautiful side by side english shotguns for toadvine
The only one I am mad about is sig. Having access to only sig USA is a pain you can not imagine.
Sig is unironically good now after reinvesting all those .mil gibs.
>Hi-Point
>F-Tier
oh come on
I agree, Hi-Point unironically deserves respect for their competent building-down to some absurdly low price points.
>bersa
>a tier
Kek
Ikr? They're SSS for sure.
By being able.to buy them
Kac isn't european. Lol. You are deluded sir. A man who eats steak every night occasionally feels like stepping out and eating fast food. Something different. All it is.
Wilson Combat is more of a small custom shop rather than a large manufacturer. Steyr, IWI, and Colt are also S-tier if Glock, Walther, and S&W are considered S-tier.
>Colt, Bersa, Canik
>A-tier
This has to be bait. No rational person would include Bersa and Canik in A-tier, they're comfortably C-tier. Colt of 2023 is a solid B-tier company at this point.
I'm really crossing my fingers that Colt will bring back the 901 this year at Shot Show since they quietly brought back the M4 monolithics after paying the loisence to LMT. I think now most people are just buying revolvers from Colt, and there's nothing wrong with that. Colt revolvers and 1911s are for people who want the aesthetics and namesake.
Honestly I'd throw canik in B, I've seen one as low as 280 at a LGS. That's like couch change cheap. My buddy's has served him well for over a year now. Only time we've ever had issues with it is when his mother was limp writing it really bad with a low grip.
Glock blocks are b tier at best. They are not high quality or performance minded, they're just common denominator minded.
Glockgay here.
B class on their own.
A class considering the aftermarket.
S class if its your "Glock fo-tay problem solver"
Here, I fixed your fricked up list with the objectively correct one.
>Glock Perfection
>S-tier
Since when do fanboys of S-tier guns replace the sights, barrels, slides, backplates, magazine releases, triggers, frames, and magazines right out of the box? Glock is a B tier manufacturer with S-tier market saturation.
just because your dad hated glocks and passed that hate on to you doesn't mean they are bad guns.
They are great out of the box and go bang every time, and only fricking morons who like modifying shit or people that make raceguns change everything about them.
I know at least 100 people that own glocks and maybe three of them are modified.
They aren't even my favorite gun or manufacturer but I can at least be objective enough to know they are great handguns.
To say otherwise is stupid and reeks of hating them because all your friends do.
>They are great out of the box
plastic sights, terrible triggers, terrible grip angle, no beavertail, etc.
>and go bang every time
So do most guns. Being functional doesn't make a gun S-tier.
>Being functional doesn't make a gun S-tier.
uh yes it does, the sole reason almost every other gun on that list isn't S tier is due to producing an overwhelming amount of non-functional shit. The irony of you b***hing about Glocks when Sig is still in the S-tier list is comical. Sig barely makes functional shit and had a 10+ year span of fricking up almost everything they touched.
Just because you personally don't like that shit about Glocks once again does not make them bad guns. Look up what the word Subjective means.
Their grip angle has never bothered me, new ones have an optional beaver tail, the trigger has never been a problem for me (maybe you have a skill issue?) the sights I'll admit aren't fantastic but they are 100% usable so once again maybe its a skill issue.
>unprompted glocktard seething over Sig superiority
lol like clockwork. Sig is innovative, and the P320 actually has great sights and triggers out of the box, so yes they deserve to be S-tier. Glock also has a history of producing nonfunctional shit like the Glock 44 and the entire MOS system. Saying "skill issue" over and over doesn't remedy the fact that Sig is now preferred over Glock by professional users such as all six branches of the United States military.
>the entire MOS system
What's wrong with it?
Well known for having shit plates with loose tolerances that the aftermarket had to remedy just like everything else Glock OEM.
Kek, that's bs. You should have at least went with " its inferior to milled because the plate makes the sight sit too high". Post guns
>projecting
every time.
just admit it, you hate glocks because someone you respected made an impression on you.
No I just think Glocks are completely average and unremarkable. Just because I don't think they're S-tier doesn't mean I "hate" them. Why are glocktards always so insecure?
>Why are glocktards always so insecure?
because we are poor
>innovative
>subcompacts are direct ripoffs of ancient keltec designs
>p320s took forever to include drop safety standard on handguns for the better part of a century
>XM5 is an M14 with entirely steel cased ammo
P320 and MCX are innovative whether you like it or not.
Poorgays shouldn't exist is why.
>the MCX is innovative
How so?
It's a modular next generation mutlicaliber assault rifle that is actually supported. The only other manufacturer that comes close to competing is LMT.
It's a short stroke piston gun in a cartridge with performance suspiciously similar to 7.62 NATO, also known as a bog standard battle rifle for the past 70 years. The supposedly innovative two-part cases don't introduce any weight savings or do anything innovative except for being too high pressure to be adapted to other weapons. It also weighs 50% more than the weapon it was designed to replace, and its stated purpose of defeating Russian wunderwaffe body armor is moot because we've recently learned that vatnik penal battallions don't fricking wear body armor.
You're talking about the XM5. I'm talking about the MCX in general. No one here has an XM5, so it's pointless to debate on how good or bad it actually is. The MCX "platform" (for lack of a better term) itself is innovative. Case in point, the Rattler is the best PDW on the market right now.
>P320
>Innovative copying Steyr's separate grip and fire control modules
>Innovative safety concepts like 'not drop safe' and 'sear randomly releases in holster when bumped'
>Innovative rush job design produces only modern striker pistol with high bore axis
>MCX
>Innovative AR-18 clone
>SIG is innovative
How so?
They appeal to me with tacticool ads on TV.
Sig must heard that spiel that "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people", and took it as a challenge.
I hate siggers, frick siggers
>Steyr doesn't make functional firearms
>Mossberg doesn't make functional firearms
Steyr and Mossberg both make one best-in-class product that people care about and a few others that are ignored. Glock makes one good product that isn't even best-in-class. A-tier at best, saved by the aftermarket.
At best you could argue Glock is A-tier but certainly not S-tier by modern standards.
I would put it high B-tier because there are a few models that are very good. Some models can be a hit or miss though. I've always liked the Gen-3 glocks
Since always
>HK
Just let me get the aftermarket sights, extended magazine release, light lem trigger parts and rail adapter then it'll be good!
>beretta
Let me get the aftermarket sights, VZ thin grips, Langdon trigger bar, 14 pound hammer spring, 18 round mec gar mags and metal trigger then it'll be good!
>CZ
Let me just get the aftermarket sights, CGW roll pins, HS-13 hammer spring, reduced power trigger return spring and VZ thin grips then it'll be good!
That's untrue. HK in particular. Some guy in my corner of Eurostan was selling his USP or VP9 and his sales pitch was "you won't waste money on aftermarket bits because none exist and you will learn to accept it"
but Hi-Points are off the charts reliable in any and every situation. I wouldnt own one, maybe for shits and giggles, but I shit too much and theres nothing funny about that, so yeah not getting one, but shit tier, thats debatable. I heard a lot of WIlson Combat stuff is expensive SHIT! So smoke that! YOu can also say H&K is Ruger of Germany Colt is Walter germany
>p.s. anon I like your chart
>nu-colt
>a-tier
love me FN love me HK
Euros don't get we LOVE their Gucci shit European industrial design is good.
>IWI
say what you want about the israelites but they do make good guns, at least.
Yeah IWI is definitely S-tier. That tier list was obviously made by a nogunz as usual.
I disagree. It's a solid A-tier company because some of their rifles are a bit wonky, especially the bullpups. I think the Croatians do a better bullpup with the VHS imo
I have no experience with the VHS, but it looks long as frick which defeats the entire purpose of using a bullpup IMO. The X95 SBR with the 13" barrel is the same size as an MP5, and the Tavor 7 is the best 308 bullpup. The Galil ACE is the best AK sold on the primary market right now, and the Uzi Pro is unironically a good PDW even though it never really took off. IWI deserves to be S-tier if FN and CZ are.
Glock is S-tier because track record, reliability and stuff, don't be too contrarian.
>sccy and hipoint BAD because uhhhhhhhhh
Why are self-proclaimed gun fans so hostile to the idea of a gun that doesn't win beauty contests and is just designed to be an actually affordable device that works? Sorry you need to compensate for a little something something by spending four digits on a flashy looker of a gun.
the only time i've ever seen a SCCY firearm be shot was after a girl had just purchased it at the shop and brought her Tiffany Blue pistol to the bay next to me where it promptly exploded in her hands.
Putting them in the same tier as Hi Point is frankly and insult to Hi Point.
>animosity between gun owners
The only enemies are noguns and Black folk. Doesn't matter if american or european
>beretta
>anything higher than B tier
Cmon anon
>amazing shotguns
>amazings o/u
>amazing pistols
>really good smgs
>really good rifles
>oldest firearm manufacturer in the world
>still family owned
>told "frick off" to that gay guy getting a custom beretta before the american Beretta USA decided to do the very american thing of ignoring Beretta Italy and worshipping a gay
>good clothes line.
Yeah, it's S tier.
Worked there bud
>barrels over 50 thousandths out of tolerance being pushed through
>heat treatment issues
>dimensional tolerance issues
>crowning machine ran 15 thousandths off center for two months
Will never buy a Beretta
That's beretta USA. It's the same shit as SIG. Once americans get their hands on it their ruin them
>t.Benneli shill
>CZ, Sig, Beretta in S-tier
>released assloads of stinkers over the years
moron
A euro cuck had to have made this in discord. Too much is wrong, missing, and soi-ish for it to be otherwise.
It's from some random emasculated muh beard muh black rifle coffee american on instagram
You left out a few, almost as if you left them out to prove your point, also CZ, Beretta, FN, Sig, Walther, Glock at S tier... LOL:
>Daniel Defense
>Knights Armament
>BCM
>Armalite
>Barrett
>Savage
>Seekins
>Larue
>Geissele
>Noveske
>Aero
>LWRC
You also left out a lot of custom builders:
>Staccato
>Dan Wesson
>Nighthawk Custom
I can go on...
Also many of these companies have both European and American bases of operations. Sig USA is not the same as Sig overseas.
The only manufacturers you listed that are S tier are Knights, Noveske, LWRC, and maybe Larue if I'm being generous. The rest are A-tier at absolute best with Aero and Savage being hard C-tier.
>Staccato
Yeah, that's S-tier. Still don't think they're worth their weight in gold, but it's the best 1911 derivative on the market.
>Dan Wesson
Owned by CZ lmao
>Nighthawk
Lmao anyone who pays over $1500 for a mallninja 1911 is a fricking fool and deserves a ND to the dick.
where do you think Tikka/Sako would go? I think its an easy S tier.
I would put tikka in A tier. They have really good quality for the price they are at. So while there are better options out their for quality, they have really amazing value. Then again thats really just my opinion and I would rearrange that whole list if it was up to me.
I was think S because of the value, and from a functional/reliability standpoint its still better than rifles that can cost 2k+.
Official tier list when?
BCM doesn't even make their rifles, lmao. how anyone includes them, and people like SOLGW in the manufacturer tier at all is beyond me.
SIG is american
>shit and worsen
>S
The best gun manufacturers are fricking American. PSA is king. Anyone who disagrees is a fricking homosexual who will spend their life savings on a fricking rollstamp.
You didn't list Grandpower anywhere, the single best European arms maker. This is how I know you are a know nothing, no guns homosexual. Get fricked and ficked, memester.
>typical european gun laws mean that only those with lots of money and time can buy guns
>european guns are higher quality and cater to more affluent people
>anyone without a felony conviction in America can legally own guns
>American companies make guns that anyone can afford.
Wow, what a revelation.
IDK, man. You can get a gun for the same price as a notebook or a fridge over here in Czech Republic and you might never need to buy another, unlike notebook or fridge which you need to replace every seven or so years.
Even absolute poorgays can get one for month of their wage.
I don't care about picking my favorite manufacturers of products like sports teams. Also, I can actually own guns lol.
If S-tier is supposed to be the companies that pretend their products are veblen goods, then these guys are the king of it.
>Bersa in A tier
Im not going to say they're shit, but just that i own one and some IWI's and find it hard to believe them in the same tier...
Your list is shit and proves you know frick all about guns.
Americans can’t use a gun though. Shoot a Black person with it and prepare to get sodomized forever in federal prison. This is why right wing politics is moronic. Focused around being able to own while the front of being able to use it in self defense has been completely lost. But muh bump stocks!
As opposed to not having it at all and just being sodomized on the street instead of prison?
100yo veterans in Yurop are arrested every year for owning WWII memorabilia.
If you follow defensive shootings in the US, you'll see that the vast majority of them end with no charges for the defender. You're probably thinking of the taco shop shooting in Houston, right? Even though he finished off the robber with a headshot while he was on the ground, the grand jury is absolutely going to recommend no action be taken against the shooter.
tfw uncucked m4
self defense is right and shall issue
>colt A-tier
bait
>OP claims best guns are made in europe
>barely anybody even talks about said manufacturers
>entire thread Is filled and derailed with amerishart cope and misinformation
Why do i still come here?
stockholm syndrome. america bailing europe out lives on in the mind of every european
Im talking more about the general misinformation about gun ownership in europe. Why is the UK and germany always the standard for measuring gun ownership? Wouldnt that be the equivalent of assuming that the gun laws in all states are the same as they are in CA and NY?
Because you're drawn to us like a rescued puppy. We bailed you out TWICE and even gave you half our GDP to rebuild your dilapidated shanty towns after Hans and Rasputin glassed and occupied your countries. I mean, let's be honest: the entirety of the EU would be Moldova-tier if you weren't given billions to rebuild. You can shit on us all you want for being fat and Zionists and not having muh """free""" healthcare, but you'd be living in the equivalent of District 9 right now under a Xi or Putin occupation without that McDonalds and Starbucks in your financial district. Now, Björn, I hope I answered your question sufficiently and in a way that makes sense.
You massively overestimate how much the Marshall Plan actually cost and how much it ultimately contributed. Also fricking lmao at the notion that without it Europe would be third world. We fought wars that killed half our populations before America was even discovered and always recovered fine
>You massively overestimate how much the Marshall Plan actually cost and how much it ultimately contributed.
>how much it ultimately contributed.
He does not.
We literally bailed out Greece for roughly the same sum lol. 100 billion across all of western Europe isn't that much
You are welcome, yuropoors.
>burger education
Is that why you are poor? Did we not give you enough free money to become first world nations?
Oh well, enjoy being slaves.
Look ma I can cherrypick statistics too! Also
>le 61% white nation
>61
Dude, it's even worse. They were 51% white counting spics, lmao
>They were 51% white counting spics, lmao
If we counted them we would be 70% lmao.
>no really, gdp per capital is a better metrics of wealth than MEDIAN PPP income.
Yuropoor education everyone.
No brains and no guns.
Which of those better reflects where people are wealthy? Where do you think that 200k figure comes from?
mutt lmao. Unfortunately grandpas Ariernachweis isn't here right now, but it's cute that you flex being 80%
>Which of those better reflects where people are wealthy?
The average yuro (you) is poorer than the average American. There are more wealthier Americans than wealthier yuros, thus:yuropoors.
And to answer your question: more than 6.5% of American households earn more than 200,000 dollars per year.
Now go find the yuropoor number, slave.
Do you feel safe in your cardboard house? Wouldn't want one of these
fellas in there eh? Can you see the wealth burger? You can't, because you aren't actually wealthy. You just took all the israelite billionaires. Maybe look up your Gini Coefficient sweetie. And if that was your genealogy test, those israelites now have your DNA because of your racial insecurity lmao
Yeah it'd suck if Americans homes didn't protect them from the environment that they lived in and tens of thousands of them died because they were too poor to afford AC. That'd be freaking tragic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_European_heat_waves
It'd be extra tragic if this was a recurring theme in yurope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave
It'd lay bare how pathetic artitecture is in America when 70,000 people died because it got kind of warm outside.
Oh wait.
Nice 3 sq meter patio, poor. Does it come with AC?
70k people die yearly from opioid ODs in your very wealthy and functional nation bubs
Lets not talk about houses protecting you from the elements when entire towns are destroyed in the US because some wind blew down the plywood buildings.
>yuro dies from heat
THAT DOESNT COUNT
>American survives 400kph winds
Jajajajajajaja silly Americans, don't know how to build houses.
>>le 61% white nation
>were 51% white
Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
>Whiter than you, wealthier than you, and I have guns.
All three wrong.
>looks at filename
I know PrepHole scrubs metadata, but it doesn't scrub filenames. Got any pics from this decade?
Better?
>Nice 3 sq meter patio, poor
It's actually a terrace that circles 3/4 of the house, in my property on the alps. Are you that intimidated by real houses that are not made of cardboard? Or are you just a salty city dweller?
You should actually read the articles you try to own us with.
>Marshall Plan was worth Europe's entire collective GDP
>Europe literally on the brink of economic collapse
>assuming you recovered at all, it would've taken decades, more than enough time for Stalin and Gorbachev to steamroll you
Kek
Where does B&T rank?
>B&T
Pretends to be S tier, has S tier prices, actually is B tier.
>S-TIER
HK being s-tier is a fricking joke. They haven't inovated since the 80s.
>A-TIER
BERSA is B-tier at best.
>B-TIER
Missing Remington, Winchester.
>C-TIER
I agree. They all are gimmick gun brands.
>F-TIER
SCCY should be C-TIER. For a smol american company it has some charm.
Its not as chinsy as Hi-point and not likely to blow up in your hand like Jimenez or some other ungodly off brand gun.
>>B-TIER
>Missing Remington
>Canik
>A-tier
?
>Wilson Combat
>Smith & Wesson
>European
american "gun manufacurers" are just douchebags who have lifted trucks and wanted to make a quick buck so bought a haas vf-2 and a tombsone and started spitting out ar-15 lowers of unknown llc
to make easy money
since haas machines suck frick they ship with the chatter and loose goosey tolerances
WTF is there to cope about? America is a fallen / failed state
American manufacturers make guns for roleplaying civilians.
European manufacturers make guns for armies.
What's wrong with liking European guns? I like Japanese cars too.
>let me take this 12lb gun and throw 10 more pounds of shit on it
That anon is probably fit and buff, so he doesn't even notice the gun's weight.
Pretty good considering most of these companies clamor for American market share, going out of their way to open U.S branches, doing what they can to import their guns, even creating iterative changes to their firearms solely to cater to the American market. Feels good knowing that they're desperately trying whatever they can to make a sale.
I've never heard of anyone complain about their Browning product in any way outside from price, meanwhile Ruger has had
>Safety recall on mkiv
>Slide rust on LCP max
>Slides that weren't properly heat treated on their Ruger American pistol
Springfield:
>Hi power clones sent in for repair like crazy at start
>Same thing with their 2011s
rust on LCP Max
Stay the frick away from this gun if you plan to CC. It will rust even with regular cleanings, and not just the slide too. Picrel is mine with rust on the mag release.
>american manufacturing
no one has trusted that for decades, lol