How do french weapons and equipment compare to american ones? Can they match them in a hypothetical conflict?

How do french weapons and equipment compare to american ones?

Can they match them in a hypothetical conflict?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    evidently

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tactically
    Maybe, who knows? Wild and random shit happens.
    >Strategically
    Not even close if in opposition, but both can do the job if the opposition is Chinese or Russian equipment.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're gonna have to be more specific than that, but broadly speaking the majority of French weapon systems and equipment I can think of off the top of my head are inferior to their most modern American equivalents. They also completely lack certain capabilities that the US has, for example 5th gen aircraft, space assets and infrastructure, frickhueg air logistics and support fleet, etc.
    However, that's not to say that French weapons aren't excellent themselves, or that they don't have some superior weapons (Meteor comes to mind). You should also consider that much of French equipment is tailored towards different tactical and strategic needs than the US and thus is functionally very different.
    In a hypothetical conflict, all things being equal, a US-equipped and structured force wins gg ez no re because of aforementioned gaps in capability.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >example 5th gen aircraft
      Rafale is 4.5th Gen and more than enough for any Eastern military.
      >space assets and infrastructure
      Yeah, buddy, no.
      >frickhueg air logistics and support fleet
      Nobody has the level of US air carry capacity.

      Also, the regions in which France focuses, it tends to be close, equal or superior to US, for example; MdCN, MICA-NG, Ascalon, Akeron MMP, CTAI40, GM400, FREMM, announcement to successfully testing a nuclear capable HGV in 4 years etc etc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France don't have space assets? Pic related.

      If France had the US budget they would genuinely do a much better job than the US does.

      Frog here, I'm really not sure anon. The French have a propensity to do well with little money but poorly with a lot of unchecked funding.

      >Strat airlift
      Yeah you dont have a single one. Pathetic considering Canada and Germany have C17s.
      France begged for C17s to get them to Mali and then asked the UK for 2 C17s to do monthly resupply for the entire campaign.
      >A400s
      >France WILL have
      But they dont now do they? Infact the UK has 22 A400 and France only 20. Nice self own.
      >Sortie rate
      Its spent 18 months in refit, having 2 diesel carriers with much MUCH more capable jets is better than 1.
      >90% afvs
      Im not 100% sure on that but what other tracked vehicles does France have other than Leclerc?
      >ISR
      France: 4 legacy E3, 2 Superking Air
      UK: 3 E7, 6 R1, 3 RC135, 9 P8
      Its not even close. France required the UKs sentinel isr during the Mali campaign.

      You can cry all you want about Bongs, you are factually incorrect. Germany would be better to compare yourself too in terms of "all round defence", they beat you on AFVs by a long way though.

      >France: 4 legacy E3, 2 Superking Air
      >UK: 3 E7, 6 R1, 3 RC135, 9 P8
      Just answering on this.
      The four French E3 are, alongside the US ones, the only ones that gor brought up to the block 45 standard. They're not 'legacy'.
      You're conveniently forgetting eighteen Atlantique 2, of which at least eleven modernized at standard 6 have now been confirmed to be delivered. They are very potent ISR platforms including against ground targets.
      France operates currently three ALSR Vador you refer to as Superking Air, not two, and has ordered eight in total, they're close to the British R1.
      >https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-armees/Fiche%20LPM%20-%20Avion%20léger%20de%20surveillance%20et%20de%20reconnaissance%20%28ALSR%29.pdf
      >https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avion_léger_de_surveillance_et_de_reconnaissance#
      I'm also not sure the UK operates a satellite constellation as capable as CERES, which, while space-based, acts exactly as a long range ELINT system would do, capturing radar emissions and triangulating them to map radars on the ground, at sea, and in the air.
      >https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERES_(satellite)
      In the end the only real kicker here are the three RC135 the RAF operates.
      France for its part is waiting on three Falcon 8X Archange to replace the C160 Gabriel, as well as twelve Falcon 2000 Albatross which will be able to conduct ELINT SIGINT missions as well as maritime SAR.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If France had the US budget they would genuinely do a much better job than the US does.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be exceptionally difficult to account for changes in prices as economies of scale ramp up but France, compared to Germany and England, who have larger budgets, has much more capable and all-round superior military than them as well as 3 times larger MIC than any of them ... but can we really use Germany and England as standard for orientation?
      My point is, it would be quite a task to try and estimate French military capability if it was given 800 billion dollars per annum.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >France, compared to Germany and England, who have larger budgets, has much more capable and all-round superior military
        Lol
        Lmao
        >0 strategic airlift
        >pitiful naval logistics
        >1 carrier
        >90% wheeled afvs
        >lacking in ISR
        Do you know what well rounded means? The UK has better everything apart from manpower in the Land Army.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>0 strategic airlift
          >France will have 3 times as many A400Ms but look at these EIGHT foreign airframes!
          ok
          naval logistics
          Define "pitiful", is it when the vast majority of your surface fleet is half a century old designs?
          >>1 carrier
          And it can sustain a higher sortie rate than fake diesel carriers.
          >>90% wheeled afvs
          Really?
          in ISR
          kek

          Bong, go in one of your many general threads on this site and be butthurt there, I don't have time for you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Strat airlift
            Yeah you dont have a single one. Pathetic considering Canada and Germany have C17s.
            France begged for C17s to get them to Mali and then asked the UK for 2 C17s to do monthly resupply for the entire campaign.
            >A400s
            >France WILL have
            But they dont now do they? Infact the UK has 22 A400 and France only 20. Nice self own.
            >Sortie rate
            Its spent 18 months in refit, having 2 diesel carriers with much MUCH more capable jets is better than 1.
            >90% afvs
            Im not 100% sure on that but what other tracked vehicles does France have other than Leclerc?
            >ISR
            France: 4 legacy E3, 2 Superking Air
            UK: 3 E7, 6 R1, 3 RC135, 9 P8
            Its not even close. France required the UKs sentinel isr during the Mali campaign.

            You can cry all you want about Bongs, you are factually incorrect. Germany would be better to compare yourself too in terms of "all round defence", they beat you on AFVs by a long way though.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >But they dont now do they? Infact the UK has 22 A400 and France only 20. Nice self own.
              That's the most blatant small Dick contest I ever read.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you are anything but an American your opinion is worthless as your home nation will have less and worse transport planes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being proud of foreign equipment
                yeah, you are bri'ish

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Yeah you dont have a single one. >Pathetic considering Canada and Germany have C17s.
              >b-but bruh why would you buy 66 of your own and not EIGHT (8) of these American planes?!?!?!?!
              ok
              >But they dont now do they? Infact the UK has 22 A400 and France only 20. Nice self own.
              66 on order, 20 delivered vs 22 delivered and 0 on order.
              >Its spent 18 months in refit, having 2 diesel carriers with much MUCH more capable jets is better than 1.
              >bong talking about carrier availability
              ahahahahahgaa
              also,
              >being proud your aviation is foreign controlled
              kek
              >Im not 100% sure on that but what other tracked vehicles does France have other than Leclerc?
              Why do you "tracked == betterer"?
              >You can cry all you want about Bongs, you are factually incorrect.
              Ahahahhahahaha
              >see I compared you in these 4 fields in which england is somewhat in a better position than France, this means as a whole it is a superior military
              holy moron, you are a dilipated 51st state of the USA.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being proud of foreign equipment
                yeah, you are bri'ish

                >crying
                Yeh

                https://i.imgur.com/s4aPdYy.jpeg

                France don't have space assets? Pic related.

                [...]
                Frog here, I'm really not sure anon. The French have a propensity to do well with little money but poorly with a lot of unchecked funding.

                [...]
                >France: 4 legacy E3, 2 Superking Air
                >UK: 3 E7, 6 R1, 3 RC135, 9 P8
                Just answering on this.
                The four French E3 are, alongside the US ones, the only ones that gor brought up to the block 45 standard. They're not 'legacy'.
                You're conveniently forgetting eighteen Atlantique 2, of which at least eleven modernized at standard 6 have now been confirmed to be delivered. They are very potent ISR platforms including against ground targets.
                France operates currently three ALSR Vador you refer to as Superking Air, not two, and has ordered eight in total, they're close to the British R1.
                >https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-armees/Fiche%20LPM%20-%20Avion%20léger%20de%20surveillance%20et%20de%20reconnaissance%20%28ALSR%29.pdf
                >https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avion_léger_de_surveillance_et_de_reconnaissance#
                I'm also not sure the UK operates a satellite constellation as capable as CERES, which, while space-based, acts exactly as a long range ELINT system would do, capturing radar emissions and triangulating them to map radars on the ground, at sea, and in the air.
                >https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERES_(satellite)
                In the end the only real kicker here are the three RC135 the RAF operates.
                France for its part is waiting on three Falcon 8X Archange to replace the C160 Gabriel, as well as twelve Falcon 2000 Albatross which will be able to conduct ELINT SIGINT missions as well as maritime SAR.

                >E3F
                They are the same spec as the E3C, which is old. UK just retired the E3D which is a better spec than the E3C. The US have better than both mentioned the E3G but will ditch them for the much better E7.
                >Atlantique 2
                I did miss this out, it wasnt intentional. Its an ancient platform Germany just bailed on and chose the P8 until it can get the P3. That is most definately legacy.
                >Ceres
                No we dont, we have Skynet 5 and 6. ISTARI sats launch next year i think. Ceres looks decent though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA
                >They are the same spec as the E3C
                You read this on Wikipedia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They are the same spec as the E3C, which is old. UK just retired the E3D which is a better spec than the E3C. The US have better than both mentioned the E3G but will ditch them for the much better E7.
                Letters are more or less meaningless past some slight differences. Both US and French E-3 are block 40/45 which is what counts.
                >https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/france-upgrading-their-e-3f-awacs-05092/
                Regarding the E-7 it's indeed a very different aircraft.
                >Its an ancient platform Germany just bailed on and chose the P8 until it can get the P3.
                That's the contrary. P-3 > P-8.
                >That is most definately legacy.
                The standard 6 brings completely new systems onboard starting with a Searchmaster AESA radar. It's also fitted with a Wescam MX-20 IR camera, same as on the P-8.
                >https://www.defenseadvancement.com/news/new-eo-ir-airborne-sensors-for-u-s-navy-maritime-patrol-aircraft/
                >http://defens-aero.com/2019/10/marine-nationale-receptionne-premiers-atlantique-ii-renoves.html

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's the contrary. P-3 > P-8.
                No thats exactly what i said my guy, they abandoned the Antique 2 for the P8 until the P3 arrived.
                >same as the P8
                Jet>Prop

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Jet>Prop
                CFM RISE, the future of commercial airliner engines, is a prop.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The United States is literally invincible.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    French weapons are usually better however they are often more expensive and France is way less able to produce them at scale

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not producing something at scale =/= incapable of producing something at scale.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better means very little. The point is how many and how quickly can you produce them. War is a matter of logistics

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh sweet we now have a francetard

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How do french weapons and equipment compare to american ones?
    >Can they match them in a hypothetical conflict?
    France is in NATO, they literally have the same calibers and ammunition. Are you fricking stupid? BTW voted for Israel in the Euro vision yesterday because anything that kills Muslim fundamentalists is doing no wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you come here from /misc/ or PrepHole?

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