Why even waste all that ordnance on a dinky ship with four 50cals. Sailor of the ship said they machine gunned their life boats too.
How did they not sink this ship?
Why even waste all that ordnance on a dinky ship with four 50cals. Sailor of the ship said they machine gunned their life boats too.
Well maybe they shouldn't have gotten close to an illicit and secret Israeli nuclear test site.
Who do you think supplies Israel with nuclear material and covers up their weapons program and testing?
Their testing was done in South Africa and the Indian ocean btw
you fricking anti-semite.
dont question the israelites.
>during the Six Day War
Mistaken identity can happen in war
For example during Vietnam the USAF attacked the HMAS Hobart and USN vessels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Hobart_(D_39)#Second_deployment
During the Iran-Iraq War an Iraqi aircraft accidently fired on a US Navy ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident
Nobody alleging a deliberate action by Israel has ever offered an explanation for why they would do this, apparently we are supposed to just assume they did it for no other reason than israeli perfidy and they were in a frenzied state of mind with no intention beyond gentile destruction like a new act of blood libel
Black person they where flying an american flag and identified themselves to the israelis, the frick are you talking about?
HMAS Hobart was flying an Australian flag and the other USN ships with it were flying American flags, USS Stark was flying an American flag
They identified themselves
Still fired on
For what purpose would the Israelis deliberately do this?
You will never get a answer, Israel had far more to lose by doing this, and they confessed and admitted wrong doing.
>not using blacked out or changed camo
>not ensuring everyone died
>haphazard attack
The actual attack reads more like a chance engagement rather than a planned event.
>>not using blacked out or changed camo
The Israelis used unmarked planes to attack
>>not ensuring everyone died
The PT baots machine gunned the life boats. Sailors are on video saying so. On top of this all they jammed all their emergency signals which is against maritime rules as well. They were jamming US frequencies.
It wasn't until every US ship in the area started to responding they backed off.
>they confessed and admitted wrong doing.
Excellent, when are the executions of all those involved?
riddle me this
these are the same guys that smacked the shit out of their supposedly vastly more powerful neighbors in less than a week
if they were supposedly so aware of what they were doing here and intended on killing off everyone they would have succeeded at it, or at least do a better job then what they did
Anon, your answer makes no sense.
Firstly, they knew the US ships were there.
Secondly the attack lasted 6 hours.
Third they knew it was an American ship, it was flying a huge American flag.
Lastly American ships and aircraft attempting to rescue the liberty were turned back by "higher ups"
The previous blue on blue by Americans were single attacks called off as soon as they realised their mistake.
The Israelites redoubled their attack as soon as they realised they'd been caught attacking an American vessel, and US politicians covered for them.
Question is what did those poor CIA spooks on the liberty know that got them all killed?
the attack on Hobart and the others with it was quite substantial and prolonged
>they knew the US ships were there
They didn't because the Liberty was an unmarked spy ship cozying up to their territorial waters in the middle of a hot war to collect juicy sigint
gosh could that cause a mistaken identity just like with Hobart and Stark
this sounds closer to the Pueblo incident
>They didn't because the Liberty was an unmarked spy ship cozying up to their territorial waters in the middle of a hot war to collect juicy sigint
The US literally told them it was there
it was literally the direct opposite
the US told them they *didn't* have anything there
it was a spyship in a fricking off the coast of a warzone, literally what did you expect to happen
Had US flags flying, had us name in massive characters on the sides, Israel was notified.
It was not hiding at all and was in international waters.
>had us name in massive characters on the sides
can you show us name in massive characters on the actual photo
?
>Israel was notified
they were notified there's "an American ship" and presumably that it was a liberty ship whether they disclosed it was largely rebuilt is up to historical debate
they sure as hell didn't distributed photos to every single Israeli gunboat and jet crews
>in international waters
this is beyond absurd argument
you think wolf packs waited for lend lease convoys to enter German coastal waters?
A hebrew gulf of tonkin is generally the explanation. They wanted direct help from Uncle Sam in their sandBlack person wars.
>implying the original Gulf of Tonkin wasn't talmuddic trickery
Why were their planes so poorly kitted for sinking the ship? I would think that pulling off a false flag like this would require the ship broken up below the waves in minutes with no survivors. They didn't come ready to do that.
Personally, I think it was a hasty response to the Liberty possibly seeing or hearing things she shouldn't have.
Because they were trying to act like their moronic half cousin, ahmed abdul muhammed?
But anon the US staged Tonkin
And clearly nobody mistook this for the Arab states
So that makes no sense
And the US was already massively supplying Israel in its attack and very greatful for what it did - broke the back of Secular Arab Pan-Nationalism
This is the moment where Israel and the US got very tight, doing this favor while the US was bogged down in Indochina sent the Washington elite wild
What?
Israels nuclear testing was not done near home, just like Britain testing in the Australian outback and France testing Pacific atols, it was done with South Africa in the Indian ocean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
And they wouldn't do this anyway during a war
>And clearly nobody mistook this for the Arab states
Maybe that would have panned out differently if the ship sank and the perpetrators remained unknown. I think it was probably an accident, but use your brain.
because american steel son
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne%E2%80%93Evans_collision
> when ordered to a new escort station, Evans sailed under Melbourne's bow, where she was cut in two. Seventy-four of Evans's crew were killed.
Based American steel is vulnerable to australian shitposting. thankfully they're on our side... For now
Bloody hell. What's with the USN and throwing themselves at bigger ships? And everytime it's because of junior officers sniffing glue and being left unsurpervised.
Now that I think of it, wasn't there a junior officer from the USN on the deck of the Helge Ingstad when it rammed a tanker?
>board of inquiry falsified results so that the aussies shouldered some of the blame.
Disgusting, they won't even own up to their mistakes.
What are the tactical advantages of using napalm on a metal ship past the age of ancient Greece?
These things were a slapped together instant navy for the army in WW2 because the USN was solely focused on the Japanese (to the point u-boats early on were running a train on our gulf oil tankers). I guess it was either lucky or some benefit to the fact it was just designed to float and move.
>CIA glowship deliberately misidentifying itself
>get misidentified and shot at in a middle of a warzone
play stupid games etc.
FIY this is a bog standard liberty ship they were identifying as...
...and this is how USS Liberty looked like up close
False flag attack to try and get US to provide air support in their war against Egypt, same reason why the Lavon Affair happened.
the thought process if this was actually anything close to reality:
>let's risk any potential of a beneficial relations with this superpower to get some assistance with this war that we're already winning decisively
genius
Yes? Israel doesn't even deny it anymore.
https://www.israelivirtuallibrary.org/the-lavon-affair
>A document released in 2015 excerpted the diary of Nehemiah Argov, Ben-Gurion’s military secretary. On October 18, 1954, he wrote, “We set up a unit…that could have been a terror unit and a commando unit behind enemy lines, in the deepest heart of enemy [territory], and who knows what crucial and decisive missions those guys could have fulfilled during an emergency.” Argo said Lavon made a mistake by having the operatives “attack some British objectives to create the impression that the Muslim Brotherhood [was responsible].” He added the decision should have been “a political question, not a security one.”
numbskull
was still talking in regards to the liberty thing
again
>let's directly attack and risk irreversibly antagonizing a superpower so that they *may* lend us some support against a foe we're already curbstomping beyond belief to the point we don't even need that support to begin with
If they were willing to use the Lavon Affair to try and get support from superpowers against Egypt even if it was high risk then why not the attack on the Liberty while playing it off as an Egyptian attack?
Because there was no attempt to play it off as an Egyptian attack, duh. They didn't use captured Egyptian equipment, didn't fly Egyptian flags etc.
because liberty was very high risk for literally frick-all in the way of worthwhile reward
it was only two days after that the war ended, U.S support no matter how direct or indirect it was would have changed literally nothing
This is not a /k/ thread, this is an attempt to promote a conspiracy theory with lies.
All the actual evidence (e.g. radio comm records) shows that it was an accident. There is no plausible motive. The conspiracy theorists cannot explain why the planes directed to attack the ship had no weapons actually capable of sinking it and why the torpedo boats (which were actually capable of sinking it) broke of the attack instead of sinking the ship and burying all the "evidence".
this is a good point
if this was such a coordinated effort, with plans aiming for maximum destruction, loss of life, etc, why did the planes only have things like napalm and unguided rockets
This thread again? Seriously?
it's time for your daily /misc/ conspiracy theory on a board that has nothing to do with either politics or conspiracies!
>(Presumably) Americans defending an unprovoked attack on an American ship and the murder of sailors in lifeboats
Normally this would end with the fake country being obliterated.