how did they do it?

how did they do it?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FOR DONBABWE
    FOR LUGANDA
    GLORY TO RUSKANDA

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >forgot Transnigeria

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the ukies stopped trying because they generally respected the Minsk agreements.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Assistance from Russian professional forces, Ukrainians being in really shit shape for a number of those 8 years, and Ukraine keeping it fairly low level/limited for fear of a larger Russian intervention.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >virtually untouchable artillery support from inside Russia

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Ukrainian military was closer to Donbabwe than Russia
    The problem for the Donbabweans was the fact that they didn't get 8 years of NATO modernization and training

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The army was really shit when the conflict began, and what's worse every time they made progress Russia would just support them with their regular army and fire artillery from the border.

    After that Ukies decided it wasn't worth bothering because their army was really shitty, and further aggression would just give Russia an excuse to invade. They did though repeal several counter attacks meaning to go as far as taking Mariupol.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine was on the verge of winning multiple times through thr conflict, but every time Russia would deploy forces or intervene in some other way. Ukraine realized this and figured that there's no way they're taking the areas back

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Minsk agreements, look up Debaltsevo

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine wasn't willing to escalate so they could avoid 2014. Russia went full moron so Ukraine had nothing to lose so in 100 days half the donbabwean troops were killed. Thats not quite as bad as Serbia in WW1 but for the Serbs it took 4 years.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Serbia won and Donbass won

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't, they lost almost immediately.

    In 2014, Russia covertly sent huge numbers of agents, troops, and weaponry into Donetsk and Luhansk. They recruited some local stooges to give it a veneer of a legitimate separatist movement, paid people to turn their coats, and impressed people into militias once they had taken control of government buildings. Attempts to extend it to places like Odessa utterly failed.

    Local stooges admitted at least 50K Russian "volunteers" had been used. Despite this, within months, Ukraine was near victory. The Ukrainian military was corrupt, unequipped, and incompetent, but the Russians were worse. At this point, Russia had to directly send even more men and equipment to stabilize the situation and avoid a collapse. Russia then threatened to invade with the rest of the Russian army unless Ukraine agreed to the Minsk Protocols.

    Ukraine was doing okay, but in 2015 they were unable to stop the Russian army without help. Further, Ukraine was betrayed by Germany and France who refused to help Ukraine in the event of a full invasion so they were forced to agree to the Minsky Accords Ukraine spent the next 7 years preparing, as best they could, for the inevitable Russian invasion. All things considered, Russia would probably have been better off invading with their whole army in 2015.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia would probably have been better off invading with their whole army in 2015
      I often wonder why they didn't do this. If it had followed the 2014 riots it probably would have been legitimate too, protecting the democratically elected government and all.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It would have just been a different set of problems if they had invaded and occupied. The whole history of Russia-Ukraine under Putin has been an ever escalating series of frick ups and even a full invasion doesn't solve the core issues. Ukraine doesn't want to be in a unitary state with Russia (1991 referendum). They are more interested in alignment with Europe than alignment with Russia (2014 Euromaidan). Russia has limited means of enticing them to do it willingly or through guile (2004 election fraud) Even if you put a pro-Russian politician in place (2010 election), he cannot sway the general public away from the pro-EU stance. (Euromaidan + Orange Revolution). At the deepest level, this whole thing is simply Russia 's reach exceeding their grasp. They desperately want their empire back, but Ukraine wants nothing to do with them so they've spent 20 years failing to get it onside.

        Even forcing a unitary state with Russia through military means just results in a multi-decade occupation you will inevitably lose. Even Russia admitted they knew they couldn't occupy Ukraine and their goal was to try and install some pro-Russian leader and keep him in power through co-opting corrupt locals and brutal repression. If you invaded in 2015 with the Russian army and roll over the Ukrainian Army, then you're doing so without any local support networks, a weak army, no preparation, etc.. and you fall into the problems above. What happens to your pro-Russian government after 6 months of general strikes and protests? While Ukraine spent 7 years preparing for invasion, Russia spent 7 years preparing for an occupation. While it is funny to laugh at their military frick ups, had they succeeded, they likely would have been much better prepared to supress Ukrainian nationalists than had a 2015 invasion gone forward.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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    Joke's on you, we couldn't protect ourself before this war either.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, we just don't bother protecting you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Russian military has been directly involved since 2014?

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