How did the chinese manage to create an effective state run economy?

How did the chinese manage to create an effective state run economy? That something not even the USSR or the USA could do.

They’re qouting a 3%+ GDP growth and that including their new wolf warrior policies.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing that is effective in China is the private sector. The CCP is what makes it such a mess and hinders its development.
    To answer your question, there was almost no private sector in the USSR with some exceptions that began to spawn after 1985.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The same way the USSR did, industrialize massively and then use said industry to produce farm equipment, now you don't need so many farmers. Then make machines/assembly lines to do everything faster and more efficient, now you don't need as many factory workers. Rinse and repeat for every industry. The problem with the USSR was that they kept spending so much resources fighting an arms race against the USA, this lead to their collapse, plus really crappy leadership towards the end

      >The CCP is what makes it such a mess and hinders its development
      Yeah just never mind that China went from a feudalistic society to a world super power under the CCP, never mind that the CCP ended mass famines in China (a country known for having massive famines every year for a 1000 years), never mind that the CCP made the world's third strongest army. I could go on, needless to say that you are dead wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ended mass famines
        Except the ones it caused because it rejected modern gene theory circa the 50s-70s.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          CCP creates a few famines to mass produce farm equipment, bringing China out of the medieval period, and ending future famines. Retards bring up famines as an argument against the CCP. Remind me again anon, what government caused the Dust Bowl, Great Depression, and Housing Bubble of 09?

          >industrialize massively and then use said industry to produce farm equipment, now you don't need so many farmers.
          Except the USSR didn't really do that to the correct extent. An ongoing problem all the way up until the collapse was that soldiers/conscripts had to be pulled from their duties to help with the harvest each year, as if it was the fucking 19th century.
          >Then make machines/assembly lines to do everything faster and more efficient, now you don't need as many factory workers. Rinse and repeat for every industry.
          They did this, in the 1930s. And then that was it. They didn't innovate, they didn't keep up with technological innovations, they didn't get rid of redundancies or create new industries where required. They massively industrialised under Stalin and then just rested on their laurels for the next 50 years. The US steel industry underwent massive and very uncomfortable changes during the second half of the 20th century, yet production outputs increased while the workforce became a tenth of what it was. Soviet output stayed the same while the workforce stayed gigantic. The US steel industry became massively automated (and thus significantly more efficient) as cheap transistors became a thing while the Soviet steel industry in the 1980's was still much the same as it had been in the 1930's.

          The USSR's xbox hueg arms spending was a significant part of the problem but not all of it. The other issue was the controlled economy that resulted in stagnation and a total inability to keep up with international competition.

          >soldiers/conscripts had to be pulled from their duties to help with the harvest each year
          Yeah because you need more people during harvest, that's why farms in America today hire people for the harvest season before laying them off when it ends. The USSR just used soldiers rather than reducing the labor pool of other industries, thus solving the problem more efficiently
          >They didn't innovate, they didn't keep up with technological innovations, they didn't get rid of redundancies or create new industries where required
          Blatantly false anon. Idk know where you could find such misinformation outside of a propaganda film

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >industrialize massively and then use said industry to produce farm equipment, now you don't need so many farmers.
        Except the USSR didn't really do that to the correct extent. An ongoing problem all the way up until the collapse was that soldiers/conscripts had to be pulled from their duties to help with the harvest each year, as if it was the fucking 19th century.
        >Then make machines/assembly lines to do everything faster and more efficient, now you don't need as many factory workers. Rinse and repeat for every industry.
        They did this, in the 1930s. And then that was it. They didn't innovate, they didn't keep up with technological innovations, they didn't get rid of redundancies or create new industries where required. They massively industrialised under Stalin and then just rested on their laurels for the next 50 years. The US steel industry underwent massive and very uncomfortable changes during the second half of the 20th century, yet production outputs increased while the workforce became a tenth of what it was. Soviet output stayed the same while the workforce stayed gigantic. The US steel industry became massively automated (and thus significantly more efficient) as cheap transistors became a thing while the Soviet steel industry in the 1980's was still much the same as it had been in the 1930's.

        The USSR's xbox hueg arms spending was a significant part of the problem but not all of it. The other issue was the controlled economy that resulted in stagnation and a total inability to keep up with international competition.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China uses a secret ancient Chinese economic technique called "fucking lying."

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Massive foreign investments and a populace trained for 1000s of years to never question officials and obey the government.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their statistics are all lies - I bet you believe covid came from bats and not the wuhan virology lab too

    The numbers are easily fudged because they’ve been building ghost cities for years to keep their construction/residential real estate churning, which powers the intellectual property theft part of the economy

    All of this is aside from the fact that you’re gaslighting us with the very way you’ve framed your question. That is, china hasn’t managed to create an effective state ran economy, it is merely a house of cards shuffling along on borrowed time further extended by artificial “0% covid” lockdowns

    Shill cunt

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >effective
    Gdp per capita begs otherwise

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    parrty buird lot empty buirding!
    party say buirding worth lot money!
    china economy glow!
    china numba wan!
    implessive!

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's not state run lol all the shit about them being super uber great communists is CCP propaganda. which you know, shill.

    also not weapon related, report and move on.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gets their balls chopped off by the west pulling their technical support for chip manufacturing
    It's almost like communists are retarded.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    RUN FOR YOUR LIVES

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    weapons?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they unironically lie about their GDP growth and even when they do not lie a lot of it is based in unsustainable, unproductive and wasteful construction sector.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Itt: illiterate mutts putting their rampant stupidity on full display.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t. hapa doing as hapa does (schizophrenia)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Meds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chinese women prefer white and black men.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How did the Chinese manage to create an effective state run economy? That something not even the USSR

    The USSR had to deal with raging alcoholics. I recently learned on another thread about the "boozer plane" (or whatever it's called). Just watch a few documentaries on alcoholism in Russia. The only thing greater than the servile attitude of the average Russian, is the addiction to vodka. During 1985–1987, Mikhail Gorbachev carried out an anti-alcohol campaign with partial prohibition. Prices of vodka, wine and beer were raised, and their sales were restricted in amount and time of day. The result? Sugar disappeared from the shelves as Russians started making their own homemade hooch with disastrous results due to poor quality.

    On the other hand, China (much like Japan) has a a very strong social cohesion where the needs of the many trump the needs of the individual (contrary to the US' individualism). The Chinese government (and even people) will not blink an eye killing or deporting thousands of its citizens if it means that it will create development and growth for the rest. Oh, that and lying.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a very strong social cohesion where the needs of the many trump the needs of the individual ... will not blink an eye killing or deporting thousands of its citizens if it means that it will create development and growth for the rest.
      Yessir.
      That's why "bugmen" (or should it be "borg-men") is more than a superficial pejorative. They really are like insect drones with no concept of moral worth for the individual human, let alone animals.
      I would genuinely prefer nuclear annihilation for the human race than Chinese hegemony.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The USSR had to deal with raging alcoholics
      Slavs are just shit. Notice how 30 years later all the slav countries are still depressing shitholes.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >effective state run economy?
    China never had a state run economy, not even during the cold war

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You build a company from the ground. It gets highly profitable. Now it's a government run company.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. >effective
    No one's quite sure about how strong the Chinese economy is. I saw an interesting analysis the other day that looks at the correspondence between artifical lighting as viewed from space and GDP per capita. The relationship between these two values holds strongly for most countries except for China; if you look at these two values in the same way they relate for the rest of the world then China's economy is perhaps 60% smaller than it is on paper. I'm not sure I believe it to be such a large number but I do think much of China's economic stats are fudged (for various reasons) and they aren't as big as we think. That said they're still the second largest economy in the world, even with fudged bullshit stats.

    2. Let's be forgiving and suggest that they do have an 'effective' economy based on some given definition of 'effective'. Yes, they do have an effective economy but it has nothing to do with being state run, quite the opposite. Since the days of Deng Xiaoping the CCP has essentially allowed the market to do as it pleases in the pursuit of boosting GDP, as long as holders of capital didn't intrude politically they were free to do what they wish economically.

    This has been changing under Pooh Bear as they reorient to a political focus. A large number of analysts believe this reorientation is not so much due to them starting to feel economically strong after several decades of consolidation but more due to them beginning to feel politically weak due to economic weakness. This is having a negative feedback effect as it causes concern within the economy and causes even more capital flight and reluctance of foreign investors to participate in the economy.

    The preponderance within Chinese politics and economics at all levels towards saving face and telling lies to keep those above you happy is going to continue to create what I term to be a "lie deficit" which will eventually catch up with reality, resulting in an economic reckoning.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Continued because I hit the character limit

      Please don't take my post as me saying
      >china sux
      >west is best
      I am certainly saying the first part because let's face it, fuck the insectoids, but I am also cognisant of our own problems in the West. I believe we have our own significant problems with a "lie deficit" and the chickens will soon come home to roost. I don't think the effects will be quite as earth shattering as in China but it's certainly going to hurt once the balance books are totted up to account for decades of bullshit and nonsense (such as massively inflated stock market numbers, or real-estate becoming an increasingly gigantic proportion of GDP in many countries over the last few decades purely due to massive real-estate speculation that will inevitably pop)

      >guns

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How comes everything I have is from China and not a single thing comes from US/EU anymore?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          EU and US economies still do manufacturing. The real money isn't in making the basic consumer goods, the real money is in making the factories that make the goods. That's what the EU and US manufacturing sectors do these days.

          Your consumer shit says 'Made in China' on it. The factory in China that made that shit says 'Made in Germany' or 'Made in USA' or 'Made in Holland'.

          That's the point of globalisation. Dumb cheap mass repetition grunt work goes to the dumb cheap mass repetition grunt work countries. The highly specialised expertise type of work stays in the West.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's cheaper to permanently contaminate China's groundwater and pollute China's air so I can continue to have ten dollar synthetic shirts and cheap electronics than it is to deal with lawsuits for environmental damage in the US or EU.
          Chinese lives and future wellbeing are apparently worth next to nothing.
          Sucks for them I guess. 80-90% of groundwater in China is now unfit for human contact without being treated first, but I'm making this post on an Amazon kindle that is really convenient for me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >or environmental damage in the US or EU.
            East euro cities are now more polluted than chink ones, idk how is that even possible when there's no real industry here anymore.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you can thank Nornickel for that

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I dont see eastern euros pulling congealed black wax out of their ears or having abcesses removed from their body like its a routine colonoscopy. China's pollution is unreal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                statistics says otherwise, leave your feelings aside

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >prease berieve chinese statistic
                No and projection

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know anyone who has had an abscess removed from their body.
                Like literally any human being.
                This is common in China?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Asians have naturally way different ear wax than whites and blacks - the former being dry and dark, the latter moist and yellow. But otherwise yes, the pollution there is insane.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because you buy cheap plastic shit? American manufacturing is still as large as it ever was and the statistics are readily available, so don’t pull the
          >hurr america factory ded, cheap plastic factory will destroy western dogs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >between artifical lighting as viewed from space
      Maybe just don't have so much ads?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The best indicator is electricity generation and on a per capita basis China is not really third world anymore, per capita in kilowatt hours:

      Sweden: 16,233
      Finland: 13,121
      US: 13,076
      South Korea: 11,585
      Australia: 10,318
      Saudi Arabia: 9,920
      France: 8,480
      Japan: 8,183
      Russia: 7,974
      Germany: 7,008
      Netherlands: 6,949
      China: 5,985
      Spain: 5,731
      Italy: 4,848
      Poland: 4,699
      Britain: 4,605
      Iran: 4,070
      Turkey: 3,932
      Ukraine: 3,571
      Argentina: 3,367
      Romania: 3,069
      Brazil: 3,053
      Mexico: 2,652
      Vietnam: 2,511
      Thailand: 2,463
      Egypt: 1,919
      India: 1,218

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-electricity-generation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >India: 1,218
        >superpooper 2020
        That's embarrassing

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are you having a stroke or are you ESL?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The same way as Russia managed to create an effective army that's peer to the US.

    By the only properly working element being effective propaganda.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Present fake numbers
    >Numbers are great
    How unexpected.
    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/720458

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China gave foriegn firms access to dirt cheap labor on three conditions, avoiding common pitfalls of other developing nations where they sell their people's labor but end up not developing a more advanced economy.
    >skills training
    The foreigners couldn't use all foriegn specialists for the more complicated parts of production, they had to train up and employ Chinese specialists. A factory might start with an all American engineering team, but from day one that American team has to have Chinese apprentices who'll eventually take over.
    >joint ownership
    When Apple or whatever opens a factory in China, the factory is not directly owned by Apple. They have to create a company jointly owned by the Chinese and by Apple that owns and runs the factories. That way again Chinese people develop management and business skills, and if Apple decides to pull out the Chinese aren't fucked, they have a ton of people already in place doing half the work and with the structure for transitioning to a fully Chinese company or partnering with someone else.
    >special economic zones + township & village enterprises
    Nation-wide overhaul would have caused massive turmoil and risked a USSR style collapse, along with potential for domestic uprising from conservative maoist elements. So instead, Deng and company only designated specific cities as open to foriegn manufacturing and investment, and reorganized communes as essentially locally owned companies in certain areas. This meant they could keep a lid on the rest of China and use those areas as testing grounds for what would bring wealth without causing destabilization, only spreading practices widely once they'd been trialed in the special economic zones. The township and village enterprises also allowed for a new form of semi-state run businesses that had enough continuity and similarity if you squint with the maoist communes that their implementation could be ideologically justified enough to avoid a major backlash.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck off to 4chan

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >3%+ GDP growth
    Not having covid kill and braindamage your population probably has something with it.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Try PrepHole

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >PrepHole economics and political science

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They did not.
    As of 2 years ago, the centrally controlled portion of the economy (even less efficient and more corruption-ridden than the USSR equivalent) has been devouring the assets of the lean, functional private economy. The growth figures are pure fiction, Xi has been destroying the most profitable parts of the economy. And soon he might run out of other people's money.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    By sending all nogunz, off-topic 4chantards back to where they belong.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient Chinese Secret you filthy Gweilo

    Its called Lying Your Ass Off

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They did fuck all and the CCP is holding China back if anything. For all of it's history, China has always been one of the foremost powers of the world and was either at the very top of human civilization or vying for 2nd or 3rd place. The century of humiliation is a huge exeption to this rule but it's still just an abnormality as China has been naturally at the top pretty much almost any other time in the past, if China doesn't completely eclipse the US this century then the CCP fucked it up big time.
    Which is completely possible as Xi is a moron.

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