What da, I thought it was just a small contingent of peace keepers, how did the number one superpower lose to chinaman
How did America lose a conventional war to Norks
What da, I thought it was just a small contingent of peace keepers, how did the number one superpower lose to chinaman
Eisenhower had skill issues
If you check, the war is still going. Nobody has lost.
Somewhere out there, there is a bizarro parallel universe where the Korean War has been hot this whole time. Alternate universe PrepHole is currently talking about the ongoing 73rd Battle of Pyongyang after the Sino-Norks (or snorks) "feinted" their way out of the 39th Battle of Seoul in June. The United Nations has been pushed back into the sea three times now, only to later launch amphibious invasions. Beijing has been captured seven times. The only thing keeping the Korean peninsula from being a solid carpet of UXO is that even dud shells go off when they hit landmines.
god i wish that were true
How long could you wage a war with 1950's level resources, technology, and intensity? At some point we're just gonna run out of something.
>Snorks
It was literally a draw.
Neither China or the US wanted to escalate into a full-blown war. Hence after an intense staring contest they agreed to the ceasefire.
Not hard to understand.
its insane how much the front shifted back and forth and then reverted to the original border
Not quite the original border but the current border overlaps it. The original border was the 38 degree latitude line.
And yes, the Korean War was a wild ass ride
>NK blitzes SK. SK pushed all the way back to Busan
>US reinforcements finally stabilize the situation
>Inchon Invasion, NK runs like hell to avoid World's Worst Encirclement
>NK runs scared to CN border
>CN starts shouting warnings and secretly moving troops.
>NK still not surrendering so US keeps chasing
>CN has Entered the War
>US gets pushed back all the way passed the 38th Lat
>US starts bombing CN logistics
>Red army slowly begins to starve
>US slowly pushes CN passed the 38 paralle-Peace Breaks out!
Well yes.
But also that's what a draw means. They ended the war with no gains for either side.
>They ended the war with no gains for either side.
South Korea gained territory, overall.
Don't forget that Mao's most capable son (another was literally retarded) was killed and prevented a Mao dynasty. The Chinese also sent their forces earmarked to invade Taiwan into Korea, where they were decimated.
I'd characterize it as a draw for the US and China, a victory for South Korea, and a loss for North Korea.
If you look at it from a modern geopolitical lens, then youre right
Sounds about right, park rolled natural 20s and somehow made his joke of an administration survive as a nation
Ok, but why did US lose tho?
Hmm?
Having g been to South Korea, I can assure you that the chinks have yet to push the U.S off the peninsula.
Do you think if you post it all day China will un-lose the Korean War?
If they do it enough, Mao gets his son back.
How did you manage to have greater cocklust than your mother?
>War start with Korea split in half
>Norks enter SK to reunify
>the Chinese enter
>war ends with Korea split in half
Sounds like a loss on NK part. As for why Norks even still exist
>UN troops doing good against NK despite the war happening in a period where USA was massively disarming
>Steady progress and about to reach the border
>MacArthur gets braindamage and completely ignores any chance the Chinese could enter the fight, tells explicitly not to dig in or consolidate any gains by establishing supply routes and defensive positions
>Gets fucked by Mao so hard Truman has to drag him out of Korea while he is screaming MUH NUKES (second time he got fucked silly by Asians, and this time he couldn't get back at them)
>Once someone competent manages to unfuck the situation there is barely any political will to continue on either side
MacArthur was wasted in the army.
He should have been kept as a diplomat, which he had a genuine talent for.
I find it funny that he was such a hawk during war, but by all accounts he was very sensitive to the Japanese in the occupation (and even a touch too gentle in my opinion).
He is one of the men that made Japan what it became.
If we make our enemies into our friends, then we have erased our enemy.
I think I read a Manga that had that sentiment- something about how the Japanese translate bulletproof as 'without enemy'. If you turn enemies into friends then ergo, you are truly bulletproof.
>and even a touch too gentle in my opinion
moron detected.
MacArthur was a gay.
1. killed vets in paycheck riot
2. fucked up defense of Philippines
3. abandoned his troops and got a medal of honor for it
4. massively fucked up capturing Leyte, said the Island was secure even though the 8th Army continued to fight for 6 months after killing another 30,000 Japanese and incurring massive losses
5. massively fucked up Luzon because he was trying to fuck some other Generals bitch
6. Overextended US forces in Korea by retarded amounts even with the information that China had committed 300,000 troops and were converging on his movement
Seriously probably the worst General in US history given the scope of how much power he had and how bad his performance was
They also lacked tools to handle mass human wave attacks. Post war they developed these. More anti personal mines,
hello anon from a different timeline, in this timeline south korea still exists and the war is considered a frozen conflict however many people consider it a small win for the south because the north is a starving shithole and the south developed a good economy and became very technologically advanced.
i hope this helps! 🙂
South Korea is just as much as a dystopia as North Korea, just for different reasons. The younger generation is absolutely fucked, not to mention their ""democratic"" government was secretly ruled (and probably still is) by feminist shaman.
>objective was to keep NK from taking over SK
>objective was achieved
>SK still exists to this day
>but somehow we lost
To be fair, we also would have liked to get rid of North Korea, but that was mostly MacArthur hotdogging. Now sure, another commander might have also tried to wipe out North Korea, they probably would have just checked with command first to make sure they don't piss off the Chinese.
The more I read about macarthur the more he seems a mostly technically fine but personally utterly insufferable general that fucked up half the time it actually mattered. Man doesn't deserve half the popularity he has here and in japan.
MacArthur was the kind of guy where if he was right, he could carry you to victory. But if he ever got something wrong, it would be a fuckup of gigantic proportions.
Despite bungling the defense of the Phillipines, he did pretty well for most of the Pacific War and the landings at Inchon were probably his magnum opus. He unfortunately erased all of those accomplishments by not heeding literally everybody's warnings that China would intervene in NK, and then responding by throwing a tantrum and threatening to use nukes when China predictably intervened.
you are a retard
>t. butthurt Nork still seething that China had to bail out his grandpa all those years ago
Hi Hapanda!
China numba one right? Are you in Canada?
is that really what they're teaching you these days?
Since South Korea exists I doubt the US lost. Infact, SK saw a territorial gain so arguably the US won.
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It didn't. US accomplished all of its objectives. North Korea accomplished none of its objectives. American victory.
Not even the norks nor the chinese wanted to fuck over a tree. Come and get it yellow bastards, tree is still up there
>Invade neighbor
>Get btfo as soon as the US reinforcements arrive
>come close to losing your entire country
>Chinese and Soviets come to save you, despite massive numerical superiority only manage to restore the original borders (minus a few thousand sq km)
>War ends with almost a million norks dead
>Now an irrelevant pariah nation with africa-tier quality of living while SK is among the largest economies in the world
Wow, great victory, I'm sure SK feels really stupid that they lost the war.
Honestly, living standards in Africa beat out NK decades ago. These days, North Koreans live more like medieval peasants.
zoom in any town outside of pyongyang and youll see farmland or urban zones with no cars, no machinery, missing road wear, basically any signs of industrial progress. these motherfuckers are pulling carts by hand and riding bikes.
>Norks
>zerg rushing chinks
>lose a conventional war to Norks
The Nork offensive was successfully pushed back and South Korea still exists, retard. In no way was that an American "loss". The only reason North Korea still exists as a state today is because they were bailed out by the chicoms.
Wouldn't have saved them either, except that Congress didn't authorize any invasion past a certain point.
north koreans were destroyed as a fighting force by 1951
even after the chinese offensive drove the allies back to the 38th parallel, the north koreans were unable to rebuild their forces in any meaningful manner and only committed a few infantry divisions for the rest of the war
the north koreans were the only real losers of the war, if anything
status quo antebellum was a net benefit to the south koreans and the allies(the retention of SK) and the chinese (they prevent a US-aligned country at their border) but an abject failure to the north koreans (failure to get any south korean territory)
UN's top general was Soviet
>start war to annex the south
>get absolutely destroyed by the americans
>1+ million soldiers dead and widespread famine
>chinks bail you out and manage to recapture most of your original territory
>50 years later NK is a destitute backwater run by hereditary absolute monarchs and SK is one of the most prosperous countries on Earth
wow what an incredible victory
And yet NK will continue to be, while SK has such low fertility that it will cease to exist as a functional society within my lifetime.
Who really won?
South Korea did. They’ve had 70 years of prosperity compared to the north. They also have double the population. You can have 2 straight generation of 0.5 fertility rates and the north wouldn’t catch them
America was winding down their armed forces so they weren’t able to use their human wave tactics of swarming tanks like they did in europe
They never used swarm attacks with their tanks
US tactical tank doctrine is basically identical with the UK and germany, which is to fire and maneuver using two elements to get a positional advantage over the enemy
Operational doctrine was similar as well
The goal was not to swarm the enemy but to concentrate armored forces into a narrow point to force their way through before maneuvering to engage the enemy strategic depths
The goal was in effect more for to maneuver into a good position to threaten the enemy with an encirclement rather than to directly engage enemy forces and destroy them
Best seen in operation cobra, where allied armored divisions performed a textbook breakthrough and maneuver that trapped german forces
>irrelevant video
Or would you rather hear about the time that a M4 sherman killed 3 tigers in under minute?
Main use of an armored division is not to close in with an enemy unit and saturate them
Its to create breakthroughs and maneuver into a position where they can threaten the enemy and force a response
Sherman’s could only create breakthroughs when they sent in hundreds of them
A human wave attack is when you deliberately send attackers with no support with the intent to close distance and engage the enemy at point blank
This is literally not a tactic ever used by the US in WW2
Tanks would fire and maneuver with the intent to flank the enemy at the tactical level
And at the strategic level would prefer to avoid heavy enemy concentration when attacking in favor of maneuvering to cut them off
Which is what happened at the above mentioned operation cobra
But was also pulled off at arracourt where they were able to successfully break up and destroy dozens of enemy panthers by flanking and ambushing them
Would now be a good time to point out that Shermans dabbed on German big cats in 1943-1945 and on T-34s in 1950-1953, thus making the Sherman the supreme big dick tank of the era?
I'll guess I'll just inform you that 12 Panthers defeated 500 Shermans one time.
Local numerical superiority is kind of the most important prerequisite for a breakthrough, ya tard
> use their human wave tactics of swarming tanks like they did in europe
When did they ever do this? The US only had 405k deaths in all of WWII, including the pacific. Hardly the casualties you expect from “human waves”
>beat the norks so fucking hard china gets nervous and unleashes human waves of meat because life has no value except to the rulers of gleat china.
>americans and UN forces get the shit surprised out of them, have to retreat because there is not enough ammo to kill them all.
This keeps happening til Chinamen run out of steam / keep screaming "I dont want to die" at their commanders who have run out of execution points.
>USA general mcfuckface considers ending the world over this humiliation, gets fired, in his place they put someone with actual brains
>Noodles get bitchslapped back across the 38th and now both sides get to sit down and make a peace deal on a mountain of corpses.
>without the norks having any say in it
Lose is a big word, more like everyone took turns slapping each other in the dick till they both said "Yeah actually I didn't want this anyway."
>USA general mcfuckface considers ending the world over this humiliation
How would the world have ended if the US had used nukes? If McArthur had gotten his way, North Korea and China would be the giant radioactive wastelands and the US would have been completely fine. Those countries didn't have nukes back then. In fact, even Russia barely had any functioning nukes at the time of Korea, and certainly not a way of dropping them on the US. For around 15 years after WW2, the US legitimately had the power to completely subjugate the world under its boot if it had wanted to as it was the only country with enough nukes to actually use them full on militarily rather than just as a warning with Japan (as we didn't HAVE really any other nukes other than the 2 we dropped in 1945).
>North Korea and China would be the giant radioactive wasteland
Probably not even, since US nuclear stockpiles at the time were still small, the H-bomb didn’t exist yet and having to drop them conventionally with B-29s would be a bitch because of migs. Nevertheless large swathes of North Korea and major Chink cities would be toast.
They didn't, the US easily accomplished its stated objective and discarded secondary ones because they weren't worth going to full war footing over, at least in the President's opinion.
Today, South Korea is free, prosperous, incredibly developed and wealthy. North Koreans dine on grass and pieces cut off their relatives when the meth can't hold the starvation pangs at bay.
They didn't lose though
>raped the Norks
>could have raped the Chinese
While all the reasons the U.S. government had for recalling MacArthur and avoiding total war with China were valid, in hindsight we should have done it. Fucking Changs will be a thorn in the entire world's side for at least another decade or two.
They did rape the chinamen. At a rate of like 12 to 1. I agree they should have nuked them, though.
>norks
Always cringe to see this. Nobody says this in the IC
China sued for peace after losing irreplaceable losses attempting to remove the US from the peninsula.
switched timelines again bruh take a kiki
The Korean War continues on to this day, it was never formally ended.
North Korea lives in a perpetual state of being at war in the 1950s.
If you understand this, a lot of "weird" things about North Korea start making sense.
They still persecute Christians, the Holy Bible is outlawed in North Korea so the Christians practice their faith in secret.
Meanwhile, South Korea is home to the Yoido Full Gospel Church, the largest Christian congregation on planet Earth.
The key to peace and unification in Korea is Jesus Christ.
Them Koreans really are some powerful believers
They stalemated a conventional war against china
How exactly was it a loss?
>China and North Korea suffer extreme casualties
>North Korea ends the War with less land than it started with.
Yes, over 33,000 Americans died in the Korean War. Their sacrifice should never be forgotten, as they ensured that South Korea remained free of the Kim regime. Today, North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship and a starving economic basket case. While South Korea is a free country and has one of the largest economies in the World.
I imagine he means going back to the status quo after almost taking the whole peninsula and blundering into a chinese counterattack that left the industrial north in communist hands. Imagine the american empire if not for Macarthur's fuckups in the phillipines and korea.
Yeah, it is a shame. I still think he deserves credit for overseeing the most successful exercise in regime change and nation-building in history.
I wonder if the Chinese and north coreans could have been more successful if they had attacked during the vietnam war specifically at a time when US support for the war was at an all time low.
Vietnam wouldn't have happened without Korea because Korea instilled the idea of the "domino theory" chain of communist revolutions that had to be contained.
> how did the number one superpower lose to chinaman
They didn’t
Over stretched and didnt knew the chinese soldiers were already in the hills. And that the Soviets deployed their planes.
>norks
Today, I will remind OP.
I know korea is referred to as the “forgotten war” and the conditions for soldiers sucked. They really deserve more recognition for killing so many bugmen and helping the world
The goal was to prevent the conquest of South Korea, which was a success.
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Luger P08 (PVA)
Mauser C96 (PVA, KPA)
Nagant M1895
Nambu Type 14
Nambu Type B
Nambu Type 94
Nambu Type 26
Tokarev TT-33
Walther P38 (PVA)
Čz vz. 27
Čz vz. 38
Čz vz. 45
Pistol vz. 22
Pistole vz. 24
Arisaka Type 38 carbine
Arisaka Type 44 carbine
M1 carbine (Captured)
Mosin–Nagant M1944 carbine
SKS
vz. 33
Arisaka Type 38 rifle
Arisaka Type 30 rifle
Arisaka Type 35 rifle
Arisaka Type 97 rifle
Arisaka Type 99 rifle
TERA Type 2 rifle
Murata Type 22 rifle
Chiang Kai-Shek rifle (Licensed copy of the Mauser Standardmodell, also known as Type 24 rifle, PVA)
Enfield M1917 (PVA)
Gewehr 41[citation needed]
Gewehr 43[citation needed]
Hanyang 88 (PLA)
M1 Garand (Captured)
Mauser Gewehr 98[citation needed]
Mauser Karabiner 98k (PVA)
Mosin–Nagant M1891/30
Mosin–Nagant M1891/30 sniper rifle
PTRD-41
PTRS-41
Springfield M1903 (PVA)
Tokarev SVT-40 (KPA) and (PLA)
Vz. 24
Vz. 98/22
CZ 452
MP-38
MP-40
MP-41
Nambu Type 100 submachine gun
PPSh-41
PPS-43
Sten submachine gun (PVA)
Thompson M1928A1 (PVA)
Type 36 submachine gun (M3 copy, PVA)
Type 49 submachine gun (PPSh-41 copy)
Type 50 submachine gun (PPSh-41 copy)