How could you penetrate armor with a shotgun?

Ideally, what would you put in a shell to do so? At what level can a shotgun simply not penetrate?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer, you aren’t. Longer answer, a sabot with a steel rod/penetrator should go through Kevlar. You aren’t getting through rifle plates with a shotgun. It’s too slow, too low pressure, too wide of projectile, not enough energy. Even if you put a tungsten penetrator in a sabot slug you aren’t getting enough velocity to go through ceramics. You might make it through steel.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the armor is kevlar an exotic sharp-pointed slug or arrow sort of projectile would penetrate.
      If it has any sort of plate? Forget it.

      Yes. Or use a rifle, which depending on the round you pick at least has a chance of going through a plate.

      Taoflerdermaus was able to beat steel with ultralight projectiles with I think a Tungsten core. It's not level 4, but it's something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the energy thing.. for a 12 gauge 3inch 4000j is normal, over 5000 joule is achieved by some commercial slug loads, then depend all on slug caliber.
      the 9.3x64 (a watered down 9.3 brenneke) is a 5000j cartridge and is made for the exact purpose of beat level iv at combat range.
      also is the other way around, on same energy basis, for slower higher sectional density bullet defeating ceramic become easier than defeating steel.
      if you don't get the principle, just think about using an hammer to hit both ceramic and steel plate and guess what happen.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Jool
        Post gun, Metroid.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kinetic energy has 0 effect on wounding, or armor penetration fagwad.
        It is a completely useless metric.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >small bluntish light immobile object pierce hard things

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >https://www.ddupleks-defence.com/ap-20

    >https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.phoenixrising.store/TSS-Armor-Piercing-Slug-12-Gauge-2-34_p_29.html%3Famp%3D1

    I think if dealing against armor, your best bet is to go ira and aim for the thighs/dick or face

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TSS also has “ap buckshot” but I don’t see that dealing with anything other than soft armor.
      Its easier and cheaper to get 7.62x54r ap ammo thats sure to work, why fuck with slugs that are expensive and only might work?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no buckshot that will be AP. That’s a marketing lie. Maybe a flak vest or level II with tungsten buckshot. Even then it’s slow and has terrible shape for penetration.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You ain't penning shit because you don't have the funds to afford any of the spendy ammo otherwise you wouldn't be using a shotgun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poorfags are kill

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do the Tarkov meta and aim low

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically this. If your opponent is wearing plates, just blast their legs off. You'll die from blown open femoral artery probably faster than from getting shot in the lung.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That or use flechette

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Flechettes have no accuracy whatsoever and chew the fuck out of yoir barrel, literally the worst type of shotshell

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make tungsten core rifled slugs or fix the meme dart rounds

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just aim for the groin

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it be easier to aim for the majority of the body that’s not armored?????

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the armor is kevlar an exotic sharp-pointed slug or arrow sort of projectile would penetrate.
      If it has any sort of plate? Forget it.

      Yes. Or use a rifle, which depending on the round you pick at least has a chance of going through a plate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just aim for the groin

      Do the Tarkov meta and aim low

      The problem with this, is while devastating, and potentially fatal, there is no physiological metric that is stopping the threat from returning fire, while bleeding from a femoral/pelvic hit is a danger, it takes much longer than to lose consciousness from a chest hit.
      This problem is less if you have standoff from your target (like lobbing rifle rounds into someone's pelvis at 300m) chances are you won't take accurate return fire, but at shotgun range, you could hit them in the pelvis, and they could still land a fatal hit on you before succumbing to their wounds.
      Remeber, an aorta/heart hit is unconscious in ~6 seconds
      Pulmonary and subclavian artery ~12 seconds(also hitting both lungs at once often has a stunning effect)
      But the femoral is something like ~60 seconds, pelvic artery is ~50 seconds
      So you're talking a factor of 10 in time for them to put rounds on you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you shoot somebody's pelvis with a shotgun they arent staying in the fight. Seen enough people whonare physiologically capable of fighting but run or crawl after getting hit a few times. Especially if its close to your dick? Gimme a break.
        > .t piggy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bro if your pelvis exploded from a 12g slug or some tight buckshot you aren't going to just pop up off the ground, sit up, and fight back

        if you don't immediately go into shock, you're going to be bleeding profusely from your groin.. enough that if you spend time worrying about having to keep fighting you will bleed to death, if you're so fucked up you'd need a second person and then a helicopter to save you, the chances of you fighting back in that moment are non existent

        even if you're stabilized you can't walk on your own, you're a liability to the rest of whoever you're with when you're injured that badly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bro if your pelvis exploded from a 12g slug or some tight buckshot you aren't going to just pop up off the ground, sit up, and fight back
          What if i was on pcp or speed?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you have to stand to pull a trigger
          Fucking underage tourists man.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, if someone shot me I'd still try to take them out even if fatally wounded because I'd be so pissed i couldn't let that fucker live either.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you do need to be conscious and... alive? do you like lack the understanding of how devastating an injury getting your pelvis blown the fuck apart would be

            here in case you forgot basic biology, these massive arteries supply blood to your legs, having them severed would mean you bleed to death in minutes, your BP is going to start dropping almost immediately. If we just pretend that whoever shot you did it once and then stopped to just let you do whatever you want, you would not be in a position to 'just shoot back'

            in reality you'd crumple to the floor, and get hit with several follow up shots, probably to your face.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You haven't seen the video out of brazil where the security guard shoots the robber in the fucking neck and he's spraying like a goddamn super soaker but he keeps upright and shooting for (i think) a good ten seconds and doesn't actually fall over and stop moving for 30; have you?

              It's been doing the rounds over on /gif/ but it doesn't appear to be in any threads at the moment.

              Point being, blood loss alone isn't enough to immediately stop the threat. If a gun is still in hand and they aren't dead, they're still a threat, no matter what part of their body is leaking/spewing red.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard, it takes about a minute or so of full, uncontrolled bleeding to lose consciousness from an injury to the femoral/pelvic artery.
                Dangerous for sure, but the average person can fire in .2 splits, so 60 second sis a long time for a threat to still be conscious.

                Wouldn't the pain of a direct shotgun hit to the pelvis knock you out or put you in shock though? I mean that would blow your balls apart AND shatter a few bones. I don't even have a frame of reference for what that feels like.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Endorphins are a helluva drug. The human body can be both remarkably fragile and insanely durable at the same time. /gif/ rekt threads have had people literally bisected by large vehicles and they are both alive and aware and fully capable of using the limbs they aren't missing. I'm sure they're not going to be alive for long; not when your guts are quite litterally spilled on the street; but they're alive and moving at the time. The only thing you can really count on to stop a human being dead in their tracks is a CNS hit or something that instantly destroys their heart. Anything less is questionable, even on people that aren't high on recreational pharmaceuticals.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Retard, it takes about a minute or so of full, uncontrolled bleeding to lose consciousness from an injury to the femoral/pelvic artery.
              Dangerous for sure, but the average person can fire in .2 splits, so 60 second sis a long time for a threat to still be conscious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't the femur the most painful bone to have damaged or something?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I’m sure even the lowest speed and highest drag of operators would be able to shoot back after getting their balls and pelvis blown to smithereens

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Slapshot makes a weird plastic 12ga slug that hits 3000 FPS. Find a way to make a sabot half the size of that projectile and substitute it with the equivalent weight in a tungsten penetrator, then use that to fuck everything but the best lvl 4 armor at close range.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Find a way to make a sabot half the size of that projectile and substitute it with the equivalent weight in a tungsten penetrator,
      That only weighs 105gr. So say you get a 50gr sabot and a 50gr penetrator. That would beat steel plates but I have my doubts about ceramics. You have a problem where you need weight to compensate for a larger diameter, and if you get a smaller diameter tungsten rod then you lose weight. The plastic backing it won’t help push nearly as much as lead will. Lead is still really soft but it’s better than plastic. I could be wrong, I’d like to see it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The plastic backing it won’t help push nearly as much as lead will.
        Aluminum disk backing the penetrator would cost a couple grains at worst. I'm also willing to bet you could massively improve velocity with a full brass shell and particularly overbuilt shotgun. Something like a falling block would be able to hold an extra 10k PSI easily and would make boosting the sabot to over 3k FPS guaranteed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Aluminum disk backing the penetrator would cost a couple grains at worst.
          That’s a good idea
          >I'm also willing to bet you could massively improve velocity with a full brass shell and particularly overbuilt shotgun. Something like a falling block would be able to hold an extra 10k PSI easily
          I mean yeah that’d work. But then you built a single shot large bore rifle shooting singular projectiles. That’s not really a shotgun anymore in my mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just pick a gun that is chambered for 12/89.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All of mine are chambered for 13/50

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shotgun can penetrate everything up to and including lvl 4 if you put tungsten sabots in 3.5 inch shells. Regular slugs and buck loads are gonna get stopped by level 2. Although slugs are gonna break ribs on soft plates.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >George Kellgren bolted awake in a cold sweat
    >the phrase "12 ga. APFSDS" still rattling around in his groggy head
    >George tried to deftly navigate around the bodies of the two still-sleeping escorts laying on either side
    >still drunk from last night, he clumsily reached for his phone on the bedside table
    >narrowly missing the decorative bong, he somehow still managed to send his "Huey Lewis and the News" cd case and accompanying razor blade flipping into the early morning blackness
    >grasping the phone he rasped "KELLY, ASSEMBLE THE TEAM, I'VE HAD AN IDEA"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We can only hope.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Use a rifle.
    A 18.5" full tube shotgun is the GOAT for outdoor guns, but not for home defence/boog

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >18.5" full tube shotgun is the GOAT for outdoor guns
      If your outside why are you limiting yourself with barrel length? A longer barrel swings better for birds or clays

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol this, this other gay has no clue what he's talking about. I murder skeet (skeet skeet bro) with a Remington 1187 30'' barrel with a full choke will fucking blast birds from like 50 meters out.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Longer barrels swing shittier.
        t. State champion skeet and trap shooter.
        Shit most O/U shotguns have an OAL similar to a 20" pump gun.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The barrel is still longer you retard. The receiver is shorter which is why the OAL is the same. O/Us are also irrelevant in this discussion because the first guy specifically mentioned a tube, meaning pump or semi auto. I’m not a competitor shooter but I’ve shot a lot of birds and a lot of clays and a longer barrel swings better.

          If you were right why aren’t Olympians using 16” barrels?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The OAL is what effects swing, and shorter OAL is better, just old fudd dogma keeping long barrels around.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The balance is what makes it swing better. Try shooting trap with a KSG. It has a 18.5” barrel but is back heavy. Since O/Us have weight more evenly distributed they can be shorter and swing well.
              >If you were right why aren’t Olympians using 16” barrels?
              No answer? Or are you sticking with “fuddlore”. Look at all the other goofy shit they use for other shooting sports or archery. But somehow a shorter barrel crosses the line?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's easier to swing a straight item with more weight further away from the moment arm
                Not how it works, jesus, take highschool physics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron I didn’t say easier, I said better. It’s a smoother swing even if it’s heavier and requires more force.

                If you’ve ever shot a pump or semi auto you can tell a longer barrel tracks better. Which is what I first said. For the 3rd fucking time, if having a shorter barrel and a rearward heavy gun was better for performance why don’t any high level shooters use that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >swinging around 5 lbs is "smoother" than swinging 1 lb
                Stop being retarded.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why isn't an internsonal competition, made up of 99% of people who can't have anything but their skeet gun, who are then given free guns by companies pushing their bullshit won by shorter guns
            We may never know.
            Not to mention those Olympic guns are fucking garbage for anything else.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >why isn't an internsonal competition, made up of 99% of people who can't have anything but their skeet gun
              Thank you for proving my point. If all they can have are competition specific guns why are they basically the exact same as a normal O/U? Why don’t they have a very specialized, weird shotgun like those abomination .22s? If this logic held why don’t they use normal looking bolt action .22s since it’s the “gun manufacturers” pushing them? Why wouldn’t some country say fuck it and break “tradition” to get an edge?
              >Not to mention those Olympic guns are fucking garbage for anything else.
              You could easily upland hunt with them too. I wouldn’t but you could.

              You have no rationale and you know it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Use a rifle.
      moron thats not the fucking question. why do people like you go into threads and just give a response that is totally unhelpful and asinine?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how doing walk from the US to Australia
        You can't, plane or boat
        >THAT WASNT THE QUESTION!1!1
        KYS moron

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any truth to that fuddery that a shotgun will kill through armor from blunt force alone? I've never seen the slightest evidence that such a thing happens but it's mentioned all the time when people "test" a plate by shooting buckshot at it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No that's absolute nonsense. Any plate that will stop 9mm will also stop buckshot.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it did you wouldn't be able to shoot it.
      It'd be some WW2 anti-tank rifle.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no truth to it at all. If you have soft armor on it’ll hurt like hell but it’s not killing you. If you have rifle plates it’ll be nothing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If a 10mm can break a rib when it's stopped by IIIA, and crack a sternum when stopped by a lvl4 plate; then I don't see why a shotgun couldn't do enough trauma with either buck shot or a slug to be fatal. Fatal all the time? Certainly not. But a shot to the heart would certainly have the potential to stop the heart, or cause bleeding in the pericardium leading to swelling/pressure that could stop your heart. Broken ribs could penetrate lungs or lacerate major blood vessels and kill you. At the very least it's going to be very unpleasant and give you some really awful deep purple/yellow bruising almost immediately. Even if it doesn't kill you I can see it taking someone out of the fight with broken ribs. Is this an effect I would count on? Hell no. Is it something you need to be concerned with if you're the one in the armor? Hell yes.

      Sauce for 10mm damage : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRr-DGmg-o

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing breaks bones through hard plate you fucking dunce, especially a shitty handgun caliber.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nothing breaks bones through hard plate
          Really?
          Nothing at all?

          Skip ahead to 17 minutes and watch the entire side of a torso cave in; a torso behind a solid lvl 4 plate.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ballistic gel torso are indicative of NOTHING on a human body, not even muscle tissue unless its properly calibrated gel in a controlled environment.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            First those are not a good representation of a real human. Second a .600 nitro is over 3 times the energy of a shotgun. Not remotely comparable.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            here's an excerpt from an in-depth study about the effects of BABT,
            >One of the few accurately documented
            examples of significant but survivable BABT
            was presented as recently as 1995 (Jourdan
            1995). A humanitarian aid worker in
            Sarajevo was struck by a Soviet 14.5mm
            bullet (at unknown range) while wearing
            ‘complete’ body armour. Apart from skin
            and muscle damage his cardio-respiratory
            status was stable.A chest radiograph revealed
            no rib fractures and a small haemothorax
            only, which was managed with a chest drain.
            A subsequent radiograph on the same day
            revealed a developing pulmonary contusion
            corresponding to the site of impact. The
            patient made an uneventful recovery.

            - Behind Armour Blunt Trauma -
            an emerging problem
            L Cannon

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That’s a good story. Even at 1000 yards 14.5 carries a lot of energy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Remember that time a fucking paint can swung off a ten foot string decapitated a ballistics gel dummy? Do you think it would decapitate a guy?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one has ever been reported killed with BFD through a NIJ rated piece of armor, to my knowledge.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and crack a sternum when stopped by a lvl4 plate;
        No they don’t. Certainly not from a 10mm. Level III and IV stop rifle rounds with no damage to the user. We have plenty of real world cases showing this. There are BFD standards to prevent this. Those ballistic dummies are not a good representation of an actual human.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron for a gun to break a bone by hitting a hard plate the recoil would obliterate your hand.
        The force on target is usually within 1% of the force experienced by the shooter.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you seen the ballistic deformation behind plates? It's why they sell trauma pads to put behind them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are confusing hard plates with soft armor you fucking tard.
            No one puts trauma places behind hard plate, some put soft armor behind it if it's not a standalone plate.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You are confusing hard plates with soft armor
              Incorrect weiner snitzel.

          • 2 weeks ago
            BigC

            You don't put trauma plates behind hard plate you fucking dunce

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Aren't you that gay furry ?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah that’s the dogfucker, he’s trying to hide his identity

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes you do retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If a 10mm can break a rib when it's stopped by IIIA, and crack a sternum when stopped by a lvl4 plate; then I don't see why a shotgun couldn't do enough trauma with either buck shot or a slug to be fatal. Fatal all the time? Certainly not. But a shot to the heart would certainly have the potential to stop the heart, or cause bleeding in the pericardium leading to swelling/pressure that could stop your heart. Broken ribs could penetrate lungs or lacerate major blood vessels and kill you. At the very least it's going to be very unpleasant and give you some really awful deep purple/yellow bruising almost immediately. Even if it doesn't kill you I can see it taking someone out of the fight with broken ribs. Is this an effect I would count on? Hell no. Is it something you need to be concerned with if you're the one in the armor? Hell yes.

      Sauce for 10mm damage : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRr-DGmg-o

      No one has ever been reported killed with BFD through a NIJ rated piece of armor, to my knowledge.

      >and crack a sternum when stopped by a lvl4 plate;
      No they don’t. Certainly not from a 10mm. Level III and IV stop rifle rounds with no damage to the user. We have plenty of real world cases showing this. There are BFD standards to prevent this. Those ballistic dummies are not a good representation of an actual human.

      Okay fine.
      Soft armor vs a shotgun slug :

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        paul we're not made of fucking watermelons

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not with that attitude

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >soft armor
        That’s a far cry from a fucking pistol causing significant BFD on level IV plates. Nice backtrack. Also it’s a fucking watermelon. I can punch a watermelon and crack it no problem. Dropping it from waist height can break the outside. I actually am quite strong but I’m not so delusional to think me punching someone in the chest instantly ends a fight.

        Dude you are wrong. Just take this as a time to learn.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one has ever been reported killed with BFD through a NIJ rated piece of armor, to my knowledge.

        You quoted me as if you responded to me somehow.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was one in the /bag/ thread, but the guy was wearing soft armor and got hit by full power .45-70. Literally pulled the vest into the hole but didn't penetrate, so technically it was BFD, if you count like a 5-6 inch deep hole into the chest cavity to be BFD.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably the same as putting the butt of a shotgun gently against your chest and just letting the full force of the recoil plow you in the ribs

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother, unless it's plate - or even if it is the wearer is getting f'ed up inside the effective range of a shotgun.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could you scale down a chemical penetrator to 12 ga and still have any kind of effectiveness? Or would some law of diminishing returns kick in?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aim for the dick.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you don't unless you somehow manage to shoot them like 5 times in the chest and turn their plate to dust.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just use buck or #4 highbrass and aim for the neck, head head will come clean off.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Like we used to do in Black Ops 1, aim for that lower belly/genitalia region, and your recoil will just spread upwards. Werks for me.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a nice big slug to the lower part of the vest. If anything it will liquefy your guts

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    APFSDS

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    easy, aim at thigh/upper crotch

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How do you pen armour with a weapon that can't pen armour?

    You don't, retard.

    /thread

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just get the heaviest slug your shotgun can handle. It's not going to penetrate but the fucker you're shooting will be too busy trying remember how to breath for the next 2 minutes while writhing in pain on the floor.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not how it works. Which has already been discussed ad nauseam in this thread. That is fuddlore

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not true.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Get slugged it will break a rib. It has been tested.

          Prove it. A .308 from a full length barrel has more energy than a 1oz slug concentrated on a smaller area. Why wasn't this guy keeled over in pain and why did he barely move? That's with 80s body armor too

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Get slugged it will break a rib. It has been tested.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This.
          Because obviously the one shooting the slug also gets broken ribs.
          Fucking retard, lrn2physics

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't think about that, punching somebody in the ribs hard enough to break them also results in the puncher breaking their shoulder. That explains why it's impossible to break somebody's ribs by punching them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >thinking you can break someone's ribs by punching them
              >thing bones loaded from the end are as susceptible to breaking as those loaded laterally
              You must be at least 18 to post here

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what are compressive forces vs lateral forces
                You'd have to shatter the bones in the arms lengthwise vs a rib pushing against the weakest spots. Your shoulder can be dislocated with far less force than it takes to break a rib

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The easy answer is #4 BUCKshot and aim for the crotch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if they've got soft armor on their pelvis ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Assuming you're close enough to start jerking him off there's a good chance a few of the pellets will pepper his thighs which would be a very bad day for him

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      please be real

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know anons, what about these with welding rod?

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't. Aim for the hips and femur.

    t. body armor production manager

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you need a sling

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh sorry I didnt see it it was sooo well camouflaged

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You want to tell me why you're asking questions about engaging targets with body armor with a shotgun, OP?

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    aim for the legs. havent you ever played tarkov

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