Not to mention they're increasingly not relevant. I'm all for having a floating airstrip, but the US has bases all over and European countries are free to use them so... Why invest in an aircraft carrier again? You're kind of reinventing the wheel.
>I'm all for having a floating airstrip, but the US has bases all over and European countries are free to use them so... Why invest in an aircraft carrier again? You're kind of reinventing the wheel.
Well anon, airfields are very easy to notice and attack with just basic spy satellites, you can probably find every major NATO airbase all over europe. Meanwhile, having 11 Supercarriers allows much more reach, and the ability to strike from less expected avenues
You act as if carriers are not constantly monitored.
The fact is not every country needs a supercarrier. It's not in every country's interest, it's not in every country's budget, and it's not necessary if you have an ally that builds airforces anywhere. Also, what enemy does France have that would be using spy satellites? Russia? I think they're well in hand at this point.
Problem with supercarriers is, also, that losing one could potentially be catastrophic in morale since they have become such a focal point in strategy. It's almost a liability.
You miss the point that one carrier can take out a dozen or more warships. For some reason those things that are on top of carriers, called "fighter jets" are always ignored.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Is that why the carrier needs an entire fleet protecting it?
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's specialisation and safety in numbers.
Rather than have every ship doing lots of things to a mediocre standard, you have different elements doing a few tasks and excelling. Carriers are the long arm of the fleet, and able to outrange every other ship by combining the range of their planes with missile range.
Every lone warship is vulnerable, and in a scenario with air power involved (all modern naval conflicts), they're sitting ducks to a large enough air strike wing. Having multiple warships allows mutual support by covering multiple angles, avoids target saturation and also compensates for weaknesses.
At least, that's the theory.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That is true. You can basically surpass the reach of land-based cruise missiles through a carrier+plane+missile combo.
1 month ago
Anonymous
except half the modern challenge with carrier groups is the land based antishipping missile outrages the strike fighter and payload. At least with the trade offs needed in modern stealth craft.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>except half the modern challenge with carrier groups is the land based antishipping missile outrages the strike fighter and payload
Lmao no they don't.
Not to mention they're increasingly not relevant. I'm all for having a floating airstrip, but the US has bases all over and European countries are free to use them so... Why invest in an aircraft carrier again? You're kind of reinventing the wheel.
In terms of defending the west and democracy, the EU is carrying less weight than it should relative to the US but even if it did, building supercarriers like the US would be far from an ideal spend. They’d be better off trying to reach parity and complement US air and space assets while having enough land forces to fight and win a total war with Russia.
>defending the west and democracy
imagine dying for democracy LOL >"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for elections in Croatia"
>"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for elections in Croatia"
"""Defending Democracy""" is just the cheap casus belli the West over uses, it's never about that. The real reason for NATO intervention in the Balkans was to exterminate Serbians and the last European commies, which is 100% worth fighting for.
There is no both sides to this argument
You are either a democratic government or an illegitimate government its as simple as that
1 month ago
Anonymous
There are no really democratic governments.
There is only the reality of human nature, which is corruptible and endlessly attracted to power.
Sure, some governments will kill you in secret and other governments will kill you in front of everyone because they do not care at all. You are dead in both cases.
>while having enough land forces to fight and win a total war with Russia
Where does this belief that russia is strong come from? Ukraine has at worst stalemated with russia and Ukraine is a poor irrelevant shithole. If russia can at best stalemate with Ukraine how the fuck do they invade the EU?
Ukraine spent their money effectively on gear and training. NATO defence spending is bloated from benefits and salary, which prevents most countries from fielding a large, well equipped and well trained conventional army.
I like to use Canada as an example because the CF is the worst culprit. Half of Canadian defence spending goes towards paying out benefits. By the time the money makes its way through the bureaucracy there’s only a fraction of a fraction left afterwards dedicated to procurement. For example, The CF spent 100 million dollars on "culture change" (anti-white, anti-Canadian indoctrination) initiatives last fiscal year to give you an idea what Ottawa prioritizes (and then they wonder why there is a recruiting crisis).
>france has the 2nd exclusive explotation zone of the globe with lots of islands. >member of the UN security council >always had at least one in active service >plan to build a new one to replace the actual one : program PANG
>best case scenario we'll see this fucker in the mid 2030s
They're planning on BEGINNING the construction of the hull in 2031 with a planned completion date of 2038.
We're lucky if it's set sail by mid 40s
first use of the word supercarrier was in an american newspaper article about hms ark royal. america coined the term and seemingly will always have the last say on its definition.
>be American >can't speak French >get free healthcare >complains because ppls in hospital can't understand him >touch a nurse ?? >muh PrepHole I've been to a french hospital and it was bad
At least you'll die soon
Anon, death prevention starts early. The higher the average get above 75, the more actually lived that long in the first place. Remember that's 50% dying UNDER 75.
>journalism
This is how you know the article was written by a woman. The translation for "gymnasium" in French would be too easy to infer for English readers.
>This week in the south of Spain, the European Union is holding its first live military exercise — an effort to show the world it’s a serious security and defense player that can operate without NATO.
Oh sounds big >About 2,800 personnel are taking part — 1,800 from Spain, 600 from France and 200 from Portugal — as well as 25 aircraft, such as Spain's Eurofighter Typhoons, and six vessels including assault ships and a French mine hunter. >Spanish troops will play the enemy forces.
Good god its pathetic, big EU exercise involves landing a few hundred troops in Spain kek
MEANWHILE IN NON EU BONGLAND >The biggest military exercise in the UK begins tomorrow as more than 11,000 sailors, soldiers and aircrew wage a 12-day ‘war’ around the British Isles.
EU should stop trying to play soldier, NATO is the only option.
The QE class does like nice when the flight deck is full or at least occupied by a nice number of aircraft. Can't wait for CSG25, 24 total for that deployment.
>Two towers
Burgers still seething that they failed to protect their towers but the Bongs just use their carriers to shitpost
But on a more serious not - Americans
Stop being so retarded - You have the number of carriers you have not because of the carriers themselves - but because Newport News has had decades of ongoing infrastructure growth
The QE class are the Bongs making a viable 2 ship class so that they justify the cost of their new Carrier yard - The real test will be the next design they make
At least the EU can't parasitize the bong military and pretend to be relevant anymore, and France alone can't carry the whole continent. Maybe this will kick their asses into gear and get them to rearm.
Europe is still our ally retard. Not being in the EU doesn't minimuse our committment to Europe you DnC shill, we still often work with the frogs to exert power.
Small exercises are fine? Not every excercise has to involve tens of thousands, particularly when the French are real training in nog wars all the time anyway.
https://i.imgur.com/HOTbfj3.jpg
How come the superpower of France can't do better than a "helicopter carrier"?
It's cool, helo carriers have a niche, they're also building a big boi carrier anyway soon enough
I like the frogs, and generally pro-europe, pro-brexit though, but only becuase of immigration replacement, leaving didn't stop it so yeah.
>eu population of 450 million people >best they can muster is 25 aircraft and 6 ships
Dependency on American protection has been a disaster for European military might.
How come the superpower of France can't do better than a "helicopter carrier"?
>thanks to monke invading Ukraine, yurop is finally taking defense seriously, instead of relying on us to defend them (then bitching about us acting like world police)
It's about fucking time, ingrates
You know burger anon, post-war France has always done its utmost to depend as little as possible on the USA for its defense, limiting its acquisitions to a few dedicated systems. Of course, it's nice and often obligatory to have America on our side to help us out in certain circumstances, especially as France often has to content itself with being America's sidekick due to a lack of power to project rather than a lack of power projection capabilities. But you need to understand defense in western Europe isn't treated as well as in the USA. With more money and incentives for military careers, France could afford a second carrier and more stuff overall, but despite the recent ramp up, it's still in a bad shape, roughly half of what it used to be at the end of the cold war. It's a sample army, with a little bit of everything, most of it being done in-house or thanks to cooperations among EU partners. There is no point to just buy everything from the USA as it doesn't actually pushes clients to become partners. They just buy tranquility of the mind and hope the USA will be there to provide the necessary logistics to make the US-made stuff work.
I think a partner should not be a burden or a copycat. The truth is we simply aren't big enough.
Anyway, more BPC aka PHA pics with choppers onboard.
Moron. Without NATO as an excuse to fund your war economy and justify your+trillion dollar budget, what would you do? You'll lose an immense amount of capital and soft power, to the point where you would degrade to the level of china. No more bases offsea, no more exercises, no more carrier battlegroups patrolling half the world away. Meanwhile europe, which is vastly superior to you in numbers and on the same tech level, will rise as the new superpower. Do you really want that?
>Meanwhile europe, which is vastly superior to you in numbers and on the same tech level, will rise as the new superpower
europe can't even manage to stop the tide of illiterate muslim shitskins that hate them from coming over by the million. I'd sooner believe in soulless chinkoids becoming a superpower than yurop becoming one. once global empires like UK can't even manage to build high-speed rail that covers half of their tiny island, germany outsourced half their economy to china in the name of short-term profits (which promptly stole all of it) and france is borderline an african nation nowadays
hell, I'll be surprised if yurop hasn't significantly declined by 2050 or so
t. european thinking about fucking off to murrica because shit's fucked here
>Meanwhile europe, which is vastly superior to you in numbers and on the same tech level, will rise as the new superpower
europe can't even manage to stop the tide of illiterate muslim shitskins that hate them from coming over by the million. I'd sooner believe in soulless chinkoids becoming a superpower than yurop becoming one. once global empires like UK can't even manage to build high-speed rail that covers half of their tiny island, germany outsourced half their economy to china in the name of short-term profits (which promptly stole all of it) and france is borderline an african nation nowadays
hell, I'll be surprised if yurop hasn't significantly declined by 2050 or so
t. european thinking about fucking off to murrica because shit's fucked here
You're welcome so long as you only vote in the interest of firearms freedom
>Europe has no need for trade
This is what you sound like in a situation where the US stops being world police, Iran shutting down the Gulf of Hormuz, Egypt/Israel shutting down the Suez Canal again, Yemen/Somali pirates making travel through the straigt at the other end of the red sea also difficult. And god forbid Indonesia goes Tits up and you've got pirates all around the Malacca strait.
There aren't any. Every time we have a problem, we just ask the burgers to sort it out. They make a killing from arms sales, we get the problem solved. We don't have to invest heavily into our armed forces while the mutts have grunts willing to die for "freedom".
>The EU to the US is what Ireland is to the UK
Excellent analogy, but the US already has an Ireland, it's called Canada and it's full of nothing but beavers, chinks, and homosexuals.
The US are not rich.
The US Armed Forces and the US government are rich.
The US are poor. They are squeezed because the Armed Forces and the government need the money for their international chessboard games.
Compare US average quality of life (not the 1%) with EU quality of life. Average Americans live shit lives. Only their masters are rich.
>The EU to the US is what Ireland is to the UK.
What a deluded fuck. The single l;argest investor in the USA is the EU, the single largest investor in the EUI is the US. Then there is this retarded bong cuckmaster pretending he's a buger who can't into economics because nigel farage and does not realise that Ireland passed and went forever beyond england ever catching up economically as soon as the bongs went full fucking retard in 2016. The EU is fucking massive the only economic block of importance beyond the USA and anyone who says otherwise is fucking deluded.
t. Actual American who has directed of hundreds of millions into the Irish economy because the bongs are fucking retarded
Why would you bother going that far. Just take the big cities, its not 1941 anymore, Russia can't just retreat and use vast peasant labour forces to build thousands of tanks out of recycled farm equipment.
I am not pro French, but I have to admit that France is strong and powerfull and other countries shouldn’t make mean surrender jokes about them because they have nukes. I think we should write our departement representative in the Washingtown to tell them to give Louisiana back to France.
Belgian from Charleroi oblast here. The Brussels regime has been oppressing us ethnic french for decades. If France came to liberate us from the so called Belgium I'm sure it would take 3 days at most.
As a Flemming from Best-Flanders oblast I can only wish they did so we'd be rid off you lazy commy bums. I am so demoralized of having to share a country with frenchies I'd happily help the frogs dividing the place.
Belgian from Charleroi oblast here. The Brussels regime has been oppressing us ethnic french for decades. If France came to liberate us from the so called Belgium I'm sure it would take 3 days at most.
The true purpose of the EU is to bring muzzies and naggers into Brussels to erode Belgian national (kek) identity so Walloon and Flanders can go back where they rightfully belong.
You don't need naggers and mussies for that tough.
If anything there presence complicates thing.
The only thing you need for the country to keep drifting appart is the equivalent of rural hick frogs, walloons to keep thinking they are just as good as any other frog.
So they while wanting to keep the country for gibs undermine the country by being arrogant haughty shits but without anything to back up said arrogance
Sadly the frogs don't even want the walloons and that fucks things up because if you leave the walloons to their own devices they'd become a failed state in about a decade
I will keep dreaming about the dissolution of Belgium
Maybe the French will come to their senses
And we can leave Brussels as a city state, then nuke it. >what about the EU buildings
Make a place for them at the Austria Italy Slovenia tripoint for the symbolism
1 month ago
Anonymous
Belgium was created. It is an artificial country that is needed in its current form. Until that changes, the ones who created it will not allow for the so called dissolution to happen.
Get over it.
Also, as a Flemish, what do you think your future will be if Belgium splits? An Independent Flemish State? You would be so small that you would be ridiculous. You are not Liechtenstein or Luxembourg. Do you want to become a tax haven?
What is the alternative? Joining the Netherlands? Oh, I am sure you would hate it, after just a week. As you would hate joining any other country (as in "being annexed"): you would then experience what having your cultural identity attacked and diluted really means; that seems to be your main reason for crying since decades, so I'd imagine you should be sensitive to that.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Belgium was created. It is an artificial country
all countries are created, bart vandecuck
...until you will finally figure out that you did not hate the frenchies in particular, you are just unable to live with anyone who does not bark Dutch with a Flemish accent. You cannot even stand the Dutch, for God's sake and they speak your language (but the accent is not acceptable, isn't it...).
It's probably intendes more to project power in africa and provide token french assistance to a US led mission. Washington loves their little "coalitions" even its 95% american resources
This actually sounds like something that could be French doctrine, too. They're one of the very few true blue water navies in the world, and I can imagine them just having a handful of frigates with cheap drones they can launch over Niger and Myanmar
Depends how many and how capable you want the drones to be.
For 1-2 smaller/VTOL drones a frigate sized ship would do. For anything larger or higher in number you're going to need a dedicated carrier.
A useful niche for drones on full-size carriers would be refuelling tankers or screening duties for the fleet. Dirty, dull and dangerous are the 3 environments automation excels in
Begire yhis whole ukraine shitshow I would have agreed, but now it seems that russia is more than happy to just throw men into a blender to take even 1 meter of land.
This. Dunno why people are being retarded >Politico
That explains it.
https://i.imgur.com/LfbWbye.jpg
MEANWHILE IN NON EU BONGLAND >The biggest military exercise in the UK begins tomorrow as more than 11,000 sailors, soldiers and aircrew wage a 12-day ‘war’ around the British Isles.
EU should stop trying to play soldier, NATO is the only option.
The frogs had their big exercise earlier this year.
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/operations/20230228_Press_Kit_Orion.pdf
They’re basically like US amphibious assault ships. They’re great if you want to deploy a BN with organic air support vice deploy a whole small Air Force. Also, two countries habe Nuke carriers, france is one of them. They’re just taking forever to refurbish the DeGaulle.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/warriortard/order/asc/
I'm leaving the thread now since he's reverted to schizoposting.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Jesus fucking Christ that’s next level, then the mlp guy is funny
1 month ago
Anonymous
*even the mlp guy
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, he's been making gay threads for almost 2 years minimum, using black propaganda, falseflags, the works, being the most obvious, brainrotted antibong shill. People call him out using his handle, or use the term fartsniffer since his twitter was doxed and he was a SNIFFFFFF retard.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>using black propaganda, falseflags, the works
What must be wrong in someone’s brain to actually type this sentence out and believe it with conviction? Is it mental illness?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>black propaganda
Is this like black ops?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Kek no, would be cool if it was though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
1 month ago
Anonymous
take meds and go to church
1 month ago
Anonymous
Church will never fix your fartsniffing anon
1 month ago
Anonymous
wait, this dude tried making warriortard stick in 2017 then waited 5 years to post it again. Mentally Ill
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, he's been making gay threads for almost 2 years minimum, using black propaganda, falseflags, the works, being the most obvious, brainrotted antibong shill. People call him out using his handle, or use the term fartsniffer since his twitter was doxed and he was a SNIFFFFFF retard.
At this point I’m convinced you are both the same person playing some demented game with yourself, seek help
1 month ago
Anonymous
The /a/ stuff is not related kek, warrior is some anime thing I think.
Cohencidence.
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At this point I’m convinced you are both the same person playing some demented game with yourself, seek help
I don't care, you only have to go back through the archive and look at the threads those posts are posted in. He samefags nonstop it's outright awful.
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Lmao, he certainly is mentally ill. He's probably you since you like to gaslight.
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Confirmed fartsniffer is iin the thread. He constantly deflects his dox onto some old man in bongland instead.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It seems that way
1 month ago
Anonymous
>2017
This changes everything
1 month ago
Anonymous
It does not. We already had this conversation, stop samefagging. Hell Im convinced the last 7 posts except for mine responding to me are you trying to narrative build kek.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>interesting thread >enter it >derailed by warriortard samefagging
Every time
These posts were 1 minute and 1 second apart. despite turning wifi on and off he still has to wait for the cooldown period. Pretty damning attempt at trying to build a narrative
French nuclear policy ensures that its military doesn't need any expensive toys.
Not only are they more lax with nukes than any other state on the planet, but they also have an idea in the government that basically means they can strike an enemy after the main nuclear exchange in the case the enemy forgot the determination of the French people.
>both getting fucked IS the point
Yes so its pretty fucking pointless having that stance as both Nations end up fucked anyway just like two other Nations that dont have that policy but have nukes.
Its just French fragility because their pride is ruined aftwr WW2
NTA
French nuclear policy is a deterrent beyond nukes, it is something more and nobody will fuck around to find out. >Its just French fragility because their pride is ruined aftwr WW2
kys, we don't live at the end of the history
They've got 2 (3). The current one in construction is a helicopter carrier that can carry STOVL F-35s. Iirc they went and did an exercise with Japan a month back. Arguably Italy IS the major naval European power, but since they only have to worry about the Mediterranean sea, there's not really a need to make nuclear powered carriers and the like.
Italy is the only arguably first world peninsular state, kilometers of coast per capita is high af. makes sense they'd be strong navally. If I were italy I'd be working hard on the world's first man-portable anti-ship nuclear missile.
Lets not sugar coat the Euro Navies. They are trash apart from the British one.
You excluded the logistic ships.
The British Navy almost has more VLS than France Italy and Spain combined >UK 708 >FR 288 >IT 224 >ES 240
6 of 11 French Frigates are surveliance Frigates with basically no armament.
I replied to anon who specially posted the specs of a Navy you turbo sperg clearly the Bong euro superiority hurts your fragile French ego. >Its protectorate
Last time i checked the whole of Europe is our protectorate not just the Bongs.
>UK isn't in the EU so I didn't include them.
At least you realise why the UK is completely fucking irrelevant except as an exercise in observing the effect Russian propagandised collective national economic suicide. There are actually retards there who still worship the kremlin stooge farage. The UK population is in the majority unfathomably stupid and backward. It is an absolutely shithole and far more ineptly run than anywhere in the EU.
>comparing raw gdp as if it is an indicator of wealth
You do realise French are the richest large state in the European Union?
Now do percentage change in GDP lol
They wish
Shit, I wish, for all their current policies and populace are giga retarded they are the only member who has the combination of power and national spirit to turn things around
After Merkel left they had a golden opportunity to move from #2 but they pushed too hard and we're tooretarded. It's only a matter of time before Germany gets top dog spot again, and Germany ain't never getting better.
>thinks Merkel ran the EU
France is the only country in the European Union with real power, Germany has more shit on its plate than any other country in Europe, from civil unrest, to lowering standards, to rising crime, to losing influence in Eastern Europe to fucking Poland of all states, to domestic industry flight etc etc etc
>comparing raw gdp as if it is an indicator of wealth
You do realise French are the richest large state in the European Union?
Now do percentage change in GDP lol
France is 3rd gdp ranking hard facts that hurt you its also behind the UK in per capita.
France is a loser. Germany is number 1 then Bongland then trailing behind is the Frog
I don't know what you anons are arguing about, I'm just happy Spain has a proper navy, but yet again we never deluded ourselves to think as superpower since the 1900s
Your bongoloid - so glad I invented that term eons ago - thread doesn't deserves a serious answer. But I will post some relevant, for a change, pics ITT though.
Oh. It's some seething vatnik then? Wtf has France done yet again to make these Putinist cum gobblers angry? Or is this the hamas sunday evening shift shitposting unit at work?
By the way the PHA Tonnerre won't be travelling alone, the Marine Nationale aren't crazy. Expect at least one SSN to be around to keep things in check, maybe the new Suffren which is the head of its class, as well as a FREMM to protect the Tonnerre, which will carry Tiger helicopters as well, which are really useful to distribute food and medicine, so France is not going there too unprepared.
Sad the CdG won't be there too since it's being currently overhauled, especially as Rafale M have flown over Israel in the recent years, carrying ordnance on their way to Syria and Iraq for bombing missions.
I really wanted to see bomb runs contests on local terror groups to play the game of "who can cause the most secondary explosions in hamas tunnels" game. We could bring the US navy fighters, some Typhoons from Akrotiri, and just have fun.
We just retired our Gazelles.
In service for nearly 50 years it went everywhere. >Northern Ireland, Germany, Hong Kong, Falkland Islands, Canada, Kenya, Belize, Cyprus, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia, Sierra Leone, and Afghanistan.
Sad to see it go, good bit of French kit. We should do Concorde again.
>Sad to see it go, good bit of French kit. We should do Concorde again.
I remember the sorry state in which some of the oldest Gazelle in french service were before being retired. To fix the door handles some maintenance guys had to find Citroen 2CV door handles in a car junkyard as the mechanism was quite similar.
The last remnant ones are limited to SF missions and roles not too close from the frontlines.
Pic related. Look at this dude.
>Sad to see it go, good bit of French kit. We should do Concorde again.
I remember the sorry state in which some of the oldest Gazelle in french service were before being retired. To fix the door handles some maintenance guys had to find Citroen 2CV door handles in a car junkyard as the mechanism was quite similar.
The last remnant ones are limited to SF missions and roles not too close from the frontlines.
Pic related. Look at this dude.
That'll be strange when they're fully retired, I'm still grieving picrel.
Here's a Super Frelon in the BPC Mistral hangar, these two didn't have many chances to operate together as the Mistral entered active service in 2006 while the Super Frelon left active service in 2010.
>normalize the concept of an EU military force over NATO
good luck selling that to the eastern europeans after it took like nine months for germany and france to find even a fraction of a spine between the two of them. nobody in the baltics or poland will trust any EU army over daddy america anytime soon
Because DeGaulle surrounded himself with stolen Resistance valor communists in the idiotically vain hope of achieving some 'anglo-independence', and that had downstream whole of society consequences -- including military and industrial. They only realistically have to provide air cover to migrant boats and the people they used to throw int he Seine will do the rest given enough time.
Modern supercarriers are retard expensive to build and maintain and France has no geopolitical reason to have any
Not to mention they're increasingly not relevant. I'm all for having a floating airstrip, but the US has bases all over and European countries are free to use them so... Why invest in an aircraft carrier again? You're kind of reinventing the wheel.
>I'm all for having a floating airstrip, but the US has bases all over and European countries are free to use them so... Why invest in an aircraft carrier again? You're kind of reinventing the wheel.
Well anon, airfields are very easy to notice and attack with just basic spy satellites, you can probably find every major NATO airbase all over europe. Meanwhile, having 11 Supercarriers allows much more reach, and the ability to strike from less expected avenues
You act as if carriers are not constantly monitored.
The fact is not every country needs a supercarrier. It's not in every country's interest, it's not in every country's budget, and it's not necessary if you have an ally that builds airforces anywhere. Also, what enemy does France have that would be using spy satellites? Russia? I think they're well in hand at this point.
>You act as if carriers are not constantly monitored.
They try not to be at the least
Problem with supercarriers is, also, that losing one could potentially be catastrophic in morale since they have become such a focal point in strategy. It's almost a liability.
You miss the point that one carrier can take out a dozen or more warships. For some reason those things that are on top of carriers, called "fighter jets" are always ignored.
Is that why the carrier needs an entire fleet protecting it?
It's specialisation and safety in numbers.
Rather than have every ship doing lots of things to a mediocre standard, you have different elements doing a few tasks and excelling. Carriers are the long arm of the fleet, and able to outrange every other ship by combining the range of their planes with missile range.
Every lone warship is vulnerable, and in a scenario with air power involved (all modern naval conflicts), they're sitting ducks to a large enough air strike wing. Having multiple warships allows mutual support by covering multiple angles, avoids target saturation and also compensates for weaknesses.
At least, that's the theory.
That is true. You can basically surpass the reach of land-based cruise missiles through a carrier+plane+missile combo.
except half the modern challenge with carrier groups is the land based antishipping missile outrages the strike fighter and payload. At least with the trade offs needed in modern stealth craft.
>except half the modern challenge with carrier groups is the land based antishipping missile outrages the strike fighter and payload
Lmao no they don't.
In terms of defending the west and democracy, the EU is carrying less weight than it should relative to the US but even if it did, building supercarriers like the US would be far from an ideal spend. They’d be better off trying to reach parity and complement US air and space assets while having enough land forces to fight and win a total war with Russia.
>defending the west and democracy
imagine dying for democracy LOL
>"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for elections in Croatia"
You have nothing to die for, Sanjay
Neither do you
I am going to die in order to play with cool military equipment
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of weapons autists and illiterate peasants.
>"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for elections in Croatia"
"""Defending Democracy""" is just the cheap casus belli the West over uses, it's never about that. The real reason for NATO intervention in the Balkans was to exterminate Serbians and the last European commies, which is 100% worth fighting for.
>commies
wait till you find out that this is also a cheap casus belli
Imagine fighting for a non democratic government
>"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for great leaders palace"
That is equally stupid
There is no both sides to this argument
You are either a democratic government or an illegitimate government its as simple as that
There are no really democratic governments.
There is only the reality of human nature, which is corruptible and endlessly attracted to power.
Sure, some governments will kill you in secret and other governments will kill you in front of everyone because they do not care at all. You are dead in both cases.
Kek for some reason I immediately recognized the helmet in that pic as the one from the BF3 jacket
Better watch out, a lone white warrior from the west is enough to keep your kind in check...and seething.
>shitskin doesn't understand sacrificing your life in the name of greater ideals
expected
>"Until I am out of ammo or i am out of blood, I will fight for elections in Croatia"
Unfathomably based, Croatbros we votin'
what now?
EU space lmao they are even farther behind than China. Right now beat by Russia on account of Ariane 5 being out of production and Vega sucking.
>while having enough land forces to fight and win a total war with Russia
Where does this belief that russia is strong come from? Ukraine has at worst stalemated with russia and Ukraine is a poor irrelevant shithole. If russia can at best stalemate with Ukraine how the fuck do they invade the EU?
Ukraine spent their money effectively on gear and training. NATO defence spending is bloated from benefits and salary, which prevents most countries from fielding a large, well equipped and well trained conventional army.
I like to use Canada as an example because the CF is the worst culprit. Half of Canadian defence spending goes towards paying out benefits. By the time the money makes its way through the bureaucracy there’s only a fraction of a fraction left afterwards dedicated to procurement. For example, The CF spent 100 million dollars on "culture change" (anti-white, anti-Canadian indoctrination) initiatives last fiscal year to give you an idea what Ottawa prioritizes (and then they wonder why there is a recruiting crisis).
Yeah... And not to mention France already has a modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier or whatever.
>france has the 2nd exclusive explotation zone of the globe with lots of islands.
>member of the UN security council
>always had at least one in active service
>plan to build a new one to replace the actual one : program PANG
fucking retard
Did all of you retards forget the Charles de Gaule exists?
Yes it exists in port
France is building a fucking supercarrier, the first legitimate one outside of the US
The hell they need it for? Drifting around the channel while laughing at bongs?
glassing Africa
power projection in ex colonies
Taking back canada from the changs and the anglos
I'm annoyed that best case scenario we'll see this fucker in the mid 2030s and it will still be slightly smaller and slower than a Nimitz
>best case scenario we'll see this fucker in the mid 2030s
They're planning on BEGINNING the construction of the hull in 2031 with a planned completion date of 2038.
We're lucky if it's set sail by mid 40s
Wouldn't the Fujian count as a supercarrier? It's the size of a kittyhawk.
first use of the word supercarrier was in an american newspaper article about hms ark royal. america coined the term and seemingly will always have the last say on its definition.
>wiki hms ark royal
>one of her 1,488 crewmen was killed
very funny lads. Now fess up.
French Guiana doesn't defend itself.
at least it does not have a ramp
2 ramps > 1 no ramp dock queen
BONGS BAD
at least they have health care
Tranny.
You ever been to a french hospital? I have and it's completely useless. They all speak gibberish and then threw me out for touching a nurse
>be American
>can't speak French
>get free healthcare
>complains because ppls in hospital can't understand him
>touch a nurse ??
>muh PrepHole I've been to a french hospital and it was bad
At least you'll die soon
>We get to shit our diapers and be generally useless 5 years longer than you can!
Big deal
Anon, death prevention starts early. The higher the average get above 75, the more actually lived that long in the first place. Remember that's 50% dying UNDER 75.
What in the fuck is a boulangerie?
>We must close the boulangerie gap
It's a french bakery, but the french are on the wrong side of the gap.
A bakery, or "House of Pain" as I like to call it.
>journalism
This is how you know the article was written by a woman. The translation for "gymnasium" in French would be too easy to infer for English readers.
Doesn't your bou ever wear sexy langerie?
>This week in the south of Spain, the European Union is holding its first live military exercise — an effort to show the world it’s a serious security and defense player that can operate without NATO.
Oh sounds big
>About 2,800 personnel are taking part — 1,800 from Spain, 600 from France and 200 from Portugal — as well as 25 aircraft, such as Spain's Eurofighter Typhoons, and six vessels including assault ships and a French mine hunter.
>Spanish troops will play the enemy forces.
Good god its pathetic, big EU exercise involves landing a few hundred troops in Spain kek
MEANWHILE IN NON EU BONGLAND
>The biggest military exercise in the UK begins tomorrow as more than 11,000 sailors, soldiers and aircrew wage a 12-day ‘war’ around the British Isles.
EU should stop trying to play soldier, NATO is the only option.
The QE class does like nice when the flight deck is full or at least occupied by a nice number of aircraft. Can't wait for CSG25, 24 total for that deployment.
>Two towers
>A fucking RAMP
The bongs came so close
>Two towers
Burgers still seething that they failed to protect their towers but the Bongs just use their carriers to shitpost
But on a more serious not - Americans
Stop being so retarded - You have the number of carriers you have not because of the carriers themselves - but because Newport News has had decades of ongoing infrastructure growth
The QE class are the Bongs making a viable 2 ship class so that they justify the cost of their new Carrier yard - The real test will be the next design they make
One tower is for the Officers, the other is for the Ratings. It's like you yanks don't understand class structure.
At least the EU can't parasitize the bong military and pretend to be relevant anymore, and France alone can't carry the whole continent. Maybe this will kick their asses into gear and get them to rearm.
Europe is still our ally retard. Not being in the EU doesn't minimuse our committment to Europe you DnC shill, we still often work with the frogs to exert power.
it won't; they will still bank on anglo generosity to defend them
Posting this before anyone says muh no jets on carrier.
Literally taken today.
Damn that's gorgeous
Just wait until HMS Prince of Wales deploys to the Pacific in 2025 with 24 F35s embarked. Going to get some nice pics.
You have to walk before you can run anon
Small exercises are fine? Not every excercise has to involve tens of thousands, particularly when the French are real training in nog wars all the time anyway.
It's cool, helo carriers have a niche, they're also building a big boi carrier anyway soon enough
I like the frogs, and generally pro-europe, pro-brexit though, but only becuase of immigration replacement, leaving didn't stop it so yeah.
t.bong, can post a plug if you want.
>eu population of 450 million people
>best they can muster is 25 aircraft and 6 ships
Dependency on American protection has been a disaster for European military might.
They aren’t going to war…?
>thanks to monke invading Ukraine, yurop is finally taking defense seriously, instead of relying on us to defend them (then bitching about us acting like world police)
It's about fucking time, ingrates
You know burger anon, post-war France has always done its utmost to depend as little as possible on the USA for its defense, limiting its acquisitions to a few dedicated systems. Of course, it's nice and often obligatory to have America on our side to help us out in certain circumstances, especially as France often has to content itself with being America's sidekick due to a lack of power to project rather than a lack of power projection capabilities. But you need to understand defense in western Europe isn't treated as well as in the USA. With more money and incentives for military careers, France could afford a second carrier and more stuff overall, but despite the recent ramp up, it's still in a bad shape, roughly half of what it used to be at the end of the cold war. It's a sample army, with a little bit of everything, most of it being done in-house or thanks to cooperations among EU partners. There is no point to just buy everything from the USA as it doesn't actually pushes clients to become partners. They just buy tranquility of the mind and hope the USA will be there to provide the necessary logistics to make the US-made stuff work.
I think a partner should not be a burden or a copycat. The truth is we simply aren't big enough.
Anyway, more BPC aka PHA pics with choppers onboard.
Moron. Without NATO as an excuse to fund your war economy and justify your+trillion dollar budget, what would you do? You'll lose an immense amount of capital and soft power, to the point where you would degrade to the level of china. No more bases offsea, no more exercises, no more carrier battlegroups patrolling half the world away. Meanwhile europe, which is vastly superior to you in numbers and on the same tech level, will rise as the new superpower. Do you really want that?
>Meanwhile europe, which is vastly superior to you in numbers and on the same tech level, will rise as the new superpower
europe can't even manage to stop the tide of illiterate muslim shitskins that hate them from coming over by the million. I'd sooner believe in soulless chinkoids becoming a superpower than yurop becoming one. once global empires like UK can't even manage to build high-speed rail that covers half of their tiny island, germany outsourced half their economy to china in the name of short-term profits (which promptly stole all of it) and france is borderline an african nation nowadays
hell, I'll be surprised if yurop hasn't significantly declined by 2050 or so
t. european thinking about fucking off to murrica because shit's fucked here
Fuck off we don’t want losers like you
You don't speak for me fagola, post guns
You're welcome so long as you only vote in the interest of firearms freedom
Europe has no need for carriers. The only military threat for the foreseeable future are Russia and the thirdies within the countries.
>Europe has no need for trade
This is what you sound like in a situation where the US stops being world police, Iran shutting down the Gulf of Hormuz, Egypt/Israel shutting down the Suez Canal again, Yemen/Somali pirates making travel through the straigt at the other end of the red sea also difficult. And god forbid Indonesia goes Tits up and you've got pirates all around the Malacca strait.
sounds based. globalization is gay af.
I don't think they need carriers to take out somalian pirates or iranian small gunboats.
Just your typical let somone else worry about potential global issues EUfag.
The EU to the US is what Ireland is to the UK.
What are the global issues that Europe would have to respond and the response would only be possible with carriers?
There aren't any. Every time we have a problem, we just ask the burgers to sort it out. They make a killing from arms sales, we get the problem solved. We don't have to invest heavily into our armed forces while the mutts have grunts willing to die for "freedom".
>we get the problem solved
When? ISIS, and?
>The EU to the US is what Ireland is to the UK
Excellent analogy, but the US already has an Ireland, it's called Canada and it's full of nothing but beavers, chinks, and homosexuals.
They have Arabs and moose too.
The US are not rich.
The US Armed Forces and the US government are rich.
The US are poor. They are squeezed because the Armed Forces and the government need the money for their international chessboard games.
Compare US average quality of life (not the 1%) with EU quality of life. Average Americans live shit lives. Only their masters are rich.
t. Projecting yurohomosexual
>The US are not rich
lmfao
>The EU to the US is what Ireland is to the UK.
What a deluded fuck. The single l;argest investor in the USA is the EU, the single largest investor in the EUI is the US. Then there is this retarded bong cuckmaster pretending he's a buger who can't into economics because nigel farage and does not realise that Ireland passed and went forever beyond england ever catching up economically as soon as the bongs went full fucking retard in 2016. The EU is fucking massive the only economic block of importance beyond the USA and anyone who says otherwise is fucking deluded.
t. Actual American who has directed of hundreds of millions into the Irish economy because the bongs are fucking retarded
It will be used as a hospital for the gaean civilians. That's it
Charles deGaulle is in Africa right now.
I didn't know the French had land capable carriers.
kino
Welp, reinstalling DoK for another campaign playthrough.
No its in dock, as usual
Right, so Africa
We must build dual-purpose nuclear carriers that provide power to the grid during peacetime.
>France
>superpower
A defensive war sure, but what about a drive to the Urals?
Why would you bother going that far. Just take the big cities, its not 1941 anymore, Russia can't just retreat and use vast peasant labour forces to build thousands of tanks out of recycled farm equipment.
Did you forget about the winter and continuation wars? Were you born a bitch or did you become one after a lifetime of study and practice?
>holding almost century old grudges
That is what separates the 1st world civilization and your shithole.
2 C130's circling Gaza. They keep turning their transponders on and off.
It could be because Israel is actively jamming GPS there. There's been planes jumping all over the place.
I am not pro French, but I have to admit that France is strong and powerfull and other countries shouldn’t make mean surrender jokes about them because they have nukes. I think we should write our departement representative in the Washingtown to tell them to give Louisiana back to France.
Belgian from Charleroi oblast here. The Brussels regime has been oppressing us ethnic french for decades. If France came to liberate us from the so called Belgium I'm sure it would take 3 days at most.
As a Flemming from Best-Flanders oblast I can only wish they did so we'd be rid off you lazy commy bums. I am so demoralized of having to share a country with frenchies I'd happily help the frogs dividing the place.
The true purpose of the EU is to bring muzzies and naggers into Brussels to erode Belgian national (kek) identity so Walloon and Flanders can go back where they rightfully belong.
You don't need naggers and mussies for that tough.
If anything there presence complicates thing.
The only thing you need for the country to keep drifting appart is the equivalent of rural hick frogs, walloons to keep thinking they are just as good as any other frog.
So they while wanting to keep the country for gibs undermine the country by being arrogant haughty shits but without anything to back up said arrogance
Sadly the frogs don't even want the walloons and that fucks things up because if you leave the walloons to their own devices they'd become a failed state in about a decade
I will keep dreaming about the dissolution of Belgium
Maybe the French will come to their senses
And we can leave Brussels as a city state, then nuke it.
>what about the EU buildings
Make a place for them at the Austria Italy Slovenia tripoint for the symbolism
Belgium was created. It is an artificial country that is needed in its current form. Until that changes, the ones who created it will not allow for the so called dissolution to happen.
Get over it.
Also, as a Flemish, what do you think your future will be if Belgium splits? An Independent Flemish State? You would be so small that you would be ridiculous. You are not Liechtenstein or Luxembourg. Do you want to become a tax haven?
What is the alternative? Joining the Netherlands? Oh, I am sure you would hate it, after just a week. As you would hate joining any other country (as in "being annexed"): you would then experience what having your cultural identity attacked and diluted really means; that seems to be your main reason for crying since decades, so I'd imagine you should be sensitive to that.
>Belgium was created. It is an artificial country
all countries are created, bart vandecuck
Walloons are the lowest of the low. Human garbage. French people look down on them and don't want them.
must be because of Flemish influence
...until you will finally figure out that you did not hate the frenchies in particular, you are just unable to live with anyone who does not bark Dutch with a Flemish accent. You cannot even stand the Dutch, for God's sake and they speak your language (but the accent is not acceptable, isn't it...).
It's probably intendes more to project power in africa and provide token french assistance to a US led mission. Washington loves their little "coalitions" even its 95% american resources
How big would a ship need to be if its main purpose was to launch drones? I'd say something like that is much more future proof for EU.
This actually sounds like something that could be French doctrine, too. They're one of the very few true blue water navies in the world, and I can imagine them just having a handful of frigates with cheap drones they can launch over Niger and Myanmar
Depends how many and how capable you want the drones to be.
For 1-2 smaller/VTOL drones a frigate sized ship would do. For anything larger or higher in number you're going to need a dedicated carrier.
A useful niche for drones on full-size carriers would be refuelling tankers or screening duties for the fleet. Dirty, dull and dangerous are the 3 environments automation excels in
EU army, navy, airforce will never be a thing unless it federalizes. Protip: Never gonna happen.
Begire yhis whole ukraine shitshow I would have agreed, but now it seems that russia is more than happy to just throw men into a blender to take even 1 meter of land.
What a dumb article. That ship is being deployed to provide humanitarian aid in Gaza, nothing else.
This. Dunno why people are being retarded
>Politico
That explains it.
The frogs had their big exercise earlier this year.
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/operations/20230228_Press_Kit_Orion.pdf
They’re basically like US amphibious assault ships. They’re great if you want to deploy a BN with organic air support vice deploy a whole small Air Force. Also, two countries habe Nuke carriers, france is one of them. They’re just taking forever to refurbish the DeGaulle.
Finland is different from most EU countries because it has a long border with Russia and only recently became part of NATO
That’s more than the U.K. could muster
Based actual retard
>The mask starts to slip
have a nice day warriortard
Screaming at your myself is psychotic my man
>2 seething bongs reply within 50 seconds
holy shit damage control out in force
Yeah. warriortard thread confirmed
So are you using two devices or what?
Invoking warriortard is like the stuffed animal safety mechanism of bongs.
>that file name
kek bongoloid confirmed
That is what PrepHole X creates for a filename you gibbering retadrd.
>he doesn’t have PrepHole premium +
>Not having PrepHole gold that lets you post porn on blue boards
Lmao
the UK doesn’t even have helicopter carriers. Their amphibious capabilities are seriously lacking
They have an aircraft carrier that’s a step up what is this pointless baiting even for?
He's baiting for you's to keep his gay thread afloat and slide his callout.
So is this just one scizo screaming at himself or what?
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/warriortard/order/asc/
I'm leaving the thread now since he's reverted to schizoposting.
Jesus fucking Christ that’s next level, then the mlp guy is funny
*even the mlp guy
Yeah, he's been making gay threads for almost 2 years minimum, using black propaganda, falseflags, the works, being the most obvious, brainrotted antibong shill. People call him out using his handle, or use the term fartsniffer since his twitter was doxed and he was a SNIFFFFFF retard.
>using black propaganda, falseflags, the works
What must be wrong in someone’s brain to actually type this sentence out and believe it with conviction? Is it mental illness?
>black propaganda
Is this like black ops?
Kek no, would be cool if it was though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
take meds and go to church
Church will never fix your fartsniffing anon
wait, this dude tried making warriortard stick in 2017 then waited 5 years to post it again. Mentally Ill
At this point I’m convinced you are both the same person playing some demented game with yourself, seek help
The /a/ stuff is not related kek, warrior is some anime thing I think.
Cohencidence.
I don't care, you only have to go back through the archive and look at the threads those posts are posted in. He samefags nonstop it's outright awful.
Lmao, he certainly is mentally ill. He's probably you since you like to gaslight.
3
8
Confirmed fartsniffer is iin the thread. He constantly deflects his dox onto some old man in bongland instead.
It seems that way
>2017
This changes everything
It does not. We already had this conversation, stop samefagging. Hell Im convinced the last 7 posts except for mine responding to me are you trying to narrative build kek.
These posts were 1 minute and 1 second apart. despite turning wifi on and off he still has to wait for the cooldown period. Pretty damning attempt at trying to build a narrative
Go to work retard
Lmao he doesn’t understand how PrepHole works
Inorganic post. Most likely the same guy using multiple devices.
How is an aircraft carrier relevant when talking about amphibious assault ships. Please learn more about naval ships before replying in the future
he’s baiting you for (You)s to divert attention from the UKs lack of amphibious assets. Helicopter carriers are wildly important
>interesting thread
>enter it
>derailed by warriortard samefagging
Every time
You are clearly retarded, it's not even tangentally related and you're reaching.
have a nice day.
French nuclear policy ensures that its military doesn't need any expensive toys.
Not only are they more lax with nukes than any other state on the planet, but they also have an idea in the government that basically means they can strike an enemy after the main nuclear exchange in the case the enemy forgot the determination of the French people.
That only works for non nuclear states. Try that agaisnt a nation with nukes and you both get fucked.
no nation with nuke has a more agressive nuclear policy than France, both getting fucked IS the point.
>both getting fucked IS the point
Yes so its pretty fucking pointless having that stance as both Nations end up fucked anyway just like two other Nations that dont have that policy but have nukes.
Its just French fragility because their pride is ruined aftwr WW2
NTA
French nuclear policy is a deterrent beyond nukes, it is something more and nobody will fuck around to find out.
>Its just French fragility because their pride is ruined aftwr WW2
kys, we don't live at the end of the history
I know it says the EU, but why isn't Italy the main naval nation? They have a few aircraft carriers, don't they?
They've got 2 (3). The current one in construction is a helicopter carrier that can carry STOVL F-35s. Iirc they went and did an exercise with Japan a month back. Arguably Italy IS the major naval European power, but since they only have to worry about the Mediterranean sea, there's not really a need to make nuclear powered carriers and the like.
two light carriers is no argument for the major naval power in europe
Italy is the only arguably first world peninsular state, kilometers of coast per capita is high af. makes sense they'd be strong navally. If I were italy I'd be working hard on the world's first man-portable anti-ship nuclear missile.
Trying to fairly apples to apples here major surface combatants
French Navy:
>1 carrier
>9 nuclear subs
>3 LHDs
>11 destroyers
>11 frigates
Italian Navy:
>2 light carriers
>8 diesel subs
>3 LPDs
>4 destroyers
>15 frigates
Spanish Navy:
>1 light carrier
>3 diesel subs
>2 LPDs
>11 frigates
Bong Navy:
>2 carriers
>10 nuclear subs
>2 LPDs
>6 destroyers
>11 frigates
Lets not sugar coat the Euro Navies. They are trash apart from the British one.
You excluded the logistic ships.
The British Navy almost has more VLS than France Italy and Spain combined
>UK 708
>FR 288
>IT 224
>ES 240
6 of 11 French Frigates are surveliance Frigates with basically no armament.
>don't compare the entire militaries, look at this one branch!!
So, when will the mighty 51st state sail away from its protectorate?
I replied to anon who specially posted the specs of a Navy you turbo sperg clearly the Bong euro superiority hurts your fragile French ego.
>Its protectorate
Last time i checked the whole of Europe is our protectorate not just the Bongs.
China has a lot of subs for a nation that's only really concerned with two adjacent waterways
I unironically love this graph so much. Measuring navies by aggregate displacement--it's a maritime nerd's wet dream come to life
UK isn't in the EU so I didn't include them.
>UK isn't in the EU so I didn't include them.
At least you realise why the UK is completely fucking irrelevant except as an exercise in observing the effect Russian propagandised collective national economic suicide. There are actually retards there who still worship the kremlin stooge farage. The UK population is in the majority unfathomably stupid and backward. It is an absolutely shithole and far more ineptly run than anywhere in the EU.
>France
>Super Power
Kek
They are in control of the EU which puts them at numba 3 in the power ranking.
>France in control EU
Lmao they arent number 1 military in europe and they are barely the 3rd economic power in Europe.
troglodyte, please, don't talk about shit that is beyond your compréhension
Stay irrelevant frog even after the Brexit Britain shits on you
>comparing raw gdp as if it is an indicator of wealth
You do realise French are the richest large state in the European Union?
Now do percentage change in GDP lol
They wish
Shit, I wish, for all their current policies and populace are giga retarded they are the only member who has the combination of power and national spirit to turn things around
After Merkel left they had a golden opportunity to move from #2 but they pushed too hard and we're tooretarded. It's only a matter of time before Germany gets top dog spot again, and Germany ain't never getting better.
>thinks Merkel ran the EU
France is the only country in the European Union with real power, Germany has more shit on its plate than any other country in Europe, from civil unrest, to lowering standards, to rising crime, to losing influence in Eastern Europe to fucking Poland of all states, to domestic industry flight etc etc etc
France is 3rd gdp ranking hard facts that hurt you its also behind the UK in per capita.
France is a loser. Germany is number 1 then Bongland then trailing behind is the Frog
I don't know what you anons are arguing about, I'm just happy Spain has a proper navy, but yet again we never deluded ourselves to think as superpower since the 1900s
Because france along with the british lost their superpowers status after the Suez crisis
Your bongoloid - so glad I invented that term eons ago - thread doesn't deserves a serious answer. But I will post some relevant, for a change, pics ITT though.
He's not he's just our local shill trying to drum up DnC, nice pics though.
t.bong
Oh. It's some seething vatnik then? Wtf has France done yet again to make these Putinist cum gobblers angry? Or is this the hamas sunday evening shift shitposting unit at work?
By the way the PHA Tonnerre won't be travelling alone, the Marine Nationale aren't crazy. Expect at least one SSN to be around to keep things in check, maybe the new Suffren which is the head of its class, as well as a FREMM to protect the Tonnerre, which will carry Tiger helicopters as well, which are really useful to distribute food and medicine, so France is not going there too unprepared.
Sad the CdG won't be there too since it's being currently overhauled, especially as Rafale M have flown over Israel in the recent years, carrying ordnance on their way to Syria and Iraq for bombing missions.
I really wanted to see bomb runs contests on local terror groups to play the game of "who can cause the most secondary explosions in hamas tunnels" game. We could bring the US navy fighters, some Typhoons from Akrotiri, and just have fun.
We just retired our Gazelles.
In service for nearly 50 years it went everywhere.
>Northern Ireland, Germany, Hong Kong, Falkland Islands, Canada, Kenya, Belize, Cyprus, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia, Sierra Leone, and Afghanistan.
Sad to see it go, good bit of French kit. We should do Concorde again.
Concord was from an alternate present
Nostalgia overload
>Sad to see it go, good bit of French kit. We should do Concorde again.
I remember the sorry state in which some of the oldest Gazelle in french service were before being retired. To fix the door handles some maintenance guys had to find Citroen 2CV door handles in a car junkyard as the mechanism was quite similar.
The last remnant ones are limited to SF missions and roles not too close from the frontlines.
Pic related. Look at this dude.
giwtwm
That'll be strange when they're fully retired, I'm still grieving picrel.
Here's a Super Frelon in the BPC Mistral hangar, these two didn't have many chances to operate together as the Mistral entered active service in 2006 while the Super Frelon left active service in 2010.
Why doesn’t Europe just combine their forces to form an Enforcer Corps?
The Dixmude, sistership of the Mistral and Tonnerre, had already done a stop in the israeli port of Haifa years ago:
Anyway, more pics and explanations about these ships here, in frog:
>https://amelier.blog4ever.com/les-batiments-de-projection-et-de-commandement
>sistership Boxnood
>sistership Boxnood
Do you honestly believe you're fucking funny?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade_de_Fusiliers_Marins#Battle_of_Diksmuide
>go on /k/
>half of the catalogue are threads about windows homepage news articles
Elevator moving a NH90.
More Gazelle and a Tiger in the helicopter hangar.
Close-in view on the 30x113 Defa 781 gun, AGM-114 rails, and 68mm rocket pods.
>the EU prepares for war
More EU propaganda to normalize the concept of an EU military force over NATO
>normalize the concept of an EU military force over NATO
good luck selling that to the eastern europeans after it took like nine months for germany and france to find even a fraction of a spine between the two of them. nobody in the baltics or poland will trust any EU army over daddy america anytime soon
>it has gyms
Is this meant to impress anybody? every shitty hotel has a closet with a stationary bike and some weights in it.
you forget it has a bakery and can move at 19 knots. there’s a reason why this piece of shit is tip of the spear you know.
Because DeGaulle surrounded himself with stolen Resistance valor communists in the idiotically vain hope of achieving some 'anglo-independence', and that had downstream whole of society consequences -- including military and industrial. They only realistically have to provide air cover to migrant boats and the people they used to throw int he Seine will do the rest given enough time.
I dunno m8 the Charles de Gaulle is in line with other non-US carriers
That's not the Charles de Gaulle, are you blind?
War with who?
France hasn't been a super power since 1918.