How come nobody really talks about the second Sino-Japanese war?

How come nobody really talks about the second Sino-Japanese war?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chinese are subhumans. Might as well talk about the emu wars.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guess most people just know very little about it

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. i dont think china kept archives and japan's archive's aren't open to the public (i think) so there's no David Glantz, anthony beevor, david stahel, etc.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's open, just in japanese, although some parts have been translated into english (but not the chinese war part)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's open, just in japanese, although some parts have been translated into english (but not the chinese war part)

        The Japanese also destroyed a lot of their archives at war's end. So even if everything they had was translated, much is still going to be missing.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's nuts how much MacArthur let the Japanese get away with in the decades following ww2

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            MacArthur was the best shogun Japan ever had, tbqh

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's popular narrative, around the 1960s the japanese did a thorough debrief of all the remaining military officers (which was a lot of them, including the senior staff) and crosschecked it against the archives they did have, as well as archives both returned from Allied inspection as well as foreign sources to cross-check "the Allies' understanding of the war." The history was created with the intention of providing doctrinal and organizational guidance for the Self-Defense Forces, so although it was obviously missing a lot of the war crimes, those involved in the interviews had a genuine reason to be honest. The areas that were factually weakest were in brigade and below level formational information as well as materials having to do with the conflict with the Soviet Union: the former because most of the officers interviewed were flag officers and their general staff, the latter because they didn't have access to the Russian sources until after the Cold War ended. At that point they made revisions based on the new information. It's not going to be the holy bible by any means, but its quite a good starting source for the Japanese PoV of the war.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          MacArthur actually had a lot to do with that. He ordered a lot of information be transferred to America and Japanese records got expunged.
          The Japanese government had very little information to go on after the war so they denied a lot until Japanese scholarship proved that things like Unit 731 happened, which is now accepted by Japan's courts.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ding dong fought valiantly against ming nong at he zhong, with the help of the brotherhood of taichi. He was wounded and had to be taken off the front line by his best friend, ho chong to a hospital at ting long.
    i sleep

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and it was a bunch of japonese
    >standing at the great wall
    >with a bunch of chinamans heads
    >they musta cut them all off
    >i wanted the photo but he said no
    >no no no
    >yes yes yes
    >then i looked at my watch
    >it had almost been a minute
    >so i killed'em

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rip Walter Filipek
      Shout out to the dawgs

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Too horrible

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you start looking into it you'll realize that the Allies were the real imperialists and the Japanese were fighting to free the Chinese people from Western bondage and oppression.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you are being liberated, do not resist!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        for a chinaman there is no greater freedom than that of death

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most historians in the West don't write about it because they don't speak Chinese, they don't trust the Japanese (who denied a lot of bad things they did), and frankly the Chinese are terrible at war anyways. The war itself was little more than the Japanese army fighting a WWI campaign with the logistics capacity of the Confederate States of America. The Japanese basically advanced as long as they had access to supply and air support, and the moment they overstretched themselves they immediately got their nose punched, with some ad nauseum repetition, war crimes, and the usual Chinese self-destructive actions.
    There were certainly some kino moments like when the Chinese massed all of their assorted interwar armor (a bunch of T-26s and CV-33s, because mixing Soviet and Italian tanks is kino) and launched a combined arms assault that steamrolled through a Japanese offensive, but the Chinese didn't have the industrial capability to maintain this armored force so it was the last time it was used for this purpose.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Between the actual fighting, war crimes, natural disasters, and manmade disasters. It is pretty gnarly. I really do not know much about it because it is by far the least covered part of WW2 in the West and I suspect most Chinese sources have been warped by propaganda.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because what the Japanese did to China puts paid to the "what happened to israelites was historically special" narrative, Auschwitz was basically Castle Fun Park compared to Japanese biological warfare experiments on prisoners.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Language barrier
    Dishonest reporting from all three sides
    The complicated Chinese politics during the invasion
    It stalled out pretty much totally for about 4 or 5 years
    And everyone involved was moronic, with the maybe exception of Mao whose policy was to let the morons fight and then take all the credit. Which isn’t based, but it did undeniably work in the end
    And it’s pretty hard to root for anyone

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mao
      >not moronic

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mao’s military writings are studied for a reason anon, it’s not for nothing that he managed to turn the invasion of China by Japan into a way to secure power.
        >but sparrows
        Yeah well I’m just talking about this war specifically, and there’s a reason I qualified my statement

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          All Mao did was let Chiang shoot himself in the foot. His entire doctrine in WWII can be summarized as
          >do nothing
          >say you'll do something, but actually just keep doing nothing

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep. And it worked
            >let two morons beat each other up
            >take credit for improving the lives of peasants
            >let america finish off one of the morons, then finish off the other

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally just Chinks getting BTFO and Japs committing war crimes that even the Nazis found nauseating for like 10 years and then Japan gets BTFO by countries with an actual fricking industrial base and are capable of using tactics more refined than "Zerg rush until the enemy runs out of ammo"

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is that the war where China had better ships but the Japanese took them anyway?

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it dovetails into the Pacific war which dovetails into WW2 so the whole thing gets treated as being part of WW2.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The time when Chinese blew up some dam, flooding an entire valley killing possibly hundreds of thousands of Chinese just to stop the Japs from advancing

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and in the end it didn't even slow the Japs down

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How about when they burnt a city so it wouldn't be plundered by IJA, but then defended it anyway and it weren't conquered during a war

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >possibly
      Nothing "possibly" about it, the lowest estimated death toll for the flooding of Henan is 400,000, with estimates as high as 1,000,000+. For comparison, the Rape of Nanking is estimated at 200,000-300,000

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They just wanted to prove they're better at killing Chinese than IJA

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          No one is better at killing Chinese people than Chinese people

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mao have the best streak

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only interesting thing about this conflict, was the fact that Chinese troops were using American, British, German and Soviet weapons and equipment against the Japanese.
    Also the involvement of the SS and Germany policy for China and the national party are very intriguing, especially when you take in consideration that there were German interactions and planing with Chinese officials since 1928, makes you wonder what would have happened if they have chosen the Chinese and not the Japs for allies

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder what would have happened if Germany just ignored Asia altogether. Would America even have entered the war? The European theatre was deeply unpopular with American servicemen even after Germany declared war on America, they all wanted to go to the Pacific to kill japs.

      We might have seen a German victory or, conversely, the USSR make it all the way to the Atlantic.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Amerimutts dont want to go into the details because the JapBlack person invasion of the Asian continent was entirely funded by American israelites and would have never happend without America bailing out the broke Jap economy and had American officers embedded into their units all over the place.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >American israelites
      And not just any random American israelites, the Japs entire war chest was filled up by THE Rothschild family. Japlands first PM was a "former" Rothschild subsidiary banker groomed by Jacob Schiff and had been schmoozing around with Baron Rothschild before he rose into power.

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