How come nobody really talks about the second Sino-Japanese war? Posted on May 2, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor How come nobody really talks about the second Sino-Japanese war?
Chinese are subhumans. Might as well talk about the emu wars.
I guess most people just know very little about it
this. i dont think china kept archives and japan's archive's aren't open to the public (i think) so there's no David Glantz, anthony beevor, david stahel, etc.
it's open, just in japanese, although some parts have been translated into english (but not the chinese war part)
The Japanese also destroyed a lot of their archives at war's end. So even if everything they had was translated, much is still going to be missing.
It's nuts how much MacArthur let the Japanese get away with in the decades following ww2
MacArthur was the best shogun Japan ever had, tbqh
that's popular narrative, around the 1960s the japanese did a thorough debrief of all the remaining military officers (which was a lot of them, including the senior staff) and crosschecked it against the archives they did have, as well as archives both returned from Allied inspection as well as foreign sources to cross-check "the Allies' understanding of the war." The history was created with the intention of providing doctrinal and organizational guidance for the Self-Defense Forces, so although it was obviously missing a lot of the war crimes, those involved in the interviews had a genuine reason to be honest. The areas that were factually weakest were in brigade and below level formational information as well as materials having to do with the conflict with the Soviet Union: the former because most of the officers interviewed were flag officers and their general staff, the latter because they didn't have access to the Russian sources until after the Cold War ended. At that point they made revisions based on the new information. It's not going to be the holy bible by any means, but its quite a good starting source for the Japanese PoV of the war.
MacArthur actually had a lot to do with that. He ordered a lot of information be transferred to America and Japanese records got expunged.
The Japanese government had very little information to go on after the war so they denied a lot until Japanese scholarship proved that things like Unit 731 happened, which is now accepted by Japan's courts.
>ding dong fought valiantly against ming nong at he zhong, with the help of the brotherhood of taichi. He was wounded and had to be taken off the front line by his best friend, ho chong to a hospital at ting long.
>and it was a bunch of japonese
>standing at the great wall
>with a bunch of chinamans heads
>they musta cut them all off
>i wanted the photo but he said no
>no no no
>yes yes yes
>then i looked at my watch
>it had almost been a minute
>so i killed'em
Rip Walter Filipek
Shout out to the dawgs
If you start looking into it you'll realize that the Allies were the real imperialists and the Japanese were fighting to free the Chinese people from Western bondage and oppression.
>you are being liberated, do not resist!
for a chinaman there is no greater freedom than that of death
Most historians in the West don't write about it because they don't speak Chinese, they don't trust the Japanese (who denied a lot of bad things they did), and frankly the Chinese are terrible at war anyways. The war itself was little more than the Japanese army fighting a WWI campaign with the logistics capacity of the Confederate States of America. The Japanese basically advanced as long as they had access to supply and air support, and the moment they overstretched themselves they immediately got their nose punched, with some ad nauseum repetition, war crimes, and the usual Chinese self-destructive actions.
There were certainly some kino moments like when the Chinese massed all of their assorted interwar armor (a bunch of T-26s and CV-33s, because mixing Soviet and Italian tanks is kino) and launched a combined arms assault that steamrolled through a Japanese offensive, but the Chinese didn't have the industrial capability to maintain this armored force so it was the last time it was used for this purpose.
Between the actual fighting, war crimes, natural disasters, and manmade disasters. It is pretty gnarly. I really do not know much about it because it is by far the least covered part of WW2 in the West and I suspect most Chinese sources have been warped by propaganda.
Because what the Japanese did to China puts paid to the "what happened to garden gnomes was historically special" narrative, Auschwitz was basically Castle Fun Park compared to Japanese biological warfare experiments on prisoners.
Dishonest reporting from all three sides
The complicated Chinese politics during the invasion
It stalled out pretty much totally for about 4 or 5 years
And everyone involved was retarded, with the maybe exception of Mao whose policy was to let the retards fight and then take all the credit. Which isn’t based, but it did undeniably work in the end
And it’s pretty hard to root for anyone
Mao’s military writings are studied for a reason anon, it’s not for nothing that he managed to turn the invasion of China by Japan into a way to secure power.
Yeah well I’m just talking about this war specifically, and there’s a reason I qualified my statement
All Mao did was let Chiang shoot himself in the foot. His entire doctrine in WWII can be summarized as
>say you'll do something, but actually just keep doing nothing
Yep. And it worked
>let two retards beat each other up
>take credit for improving the lives of peasants
>let america finish off one of the retards, then finish off the other
It's literally just Chinks getting BTFO and Japs committing war crimes that even the Nazis found nauseating for like 10 years and then Japan gets BTFO by countries with an actual fucking industrial base and are capable of using tactics more refined than "Zerg rush until the enemy runs out of ammo"
Is that the war where China had better ships but the Japanese took them anyway?
Because it dovetails into the Pacific war which dovetails into WW2 so the whole thing gets treated as being part of WW2.
>The time when Chinese blew up some dam, flooding an entire valley killing possibly hundreds of thousands of Chinese just to stop the Japs from advancing
>and in the end it didn't even slow the Japs down
How about when they burnt a city so it wouldn't be plundered by IJA, but then defended it anyway and it weren't conquered during a war
Nothing "possibly" about it, the lowest estimated death toll for the flooding of Henan is 400,000, with estimates as high as 1,000,000+. For comparison, the Rape of Nanking is estimated at 200,000-300,000
They just wanted to prove they're better at killing Chinese than IJA
No one is better at killing Chinese people than Chinese people
Mao have the best streak
The only interesting thing about this conflict, was the fact that Chinese troops were using American, British, German and Soviet weapons and equipment against the Japanese.
Also the involvement of the SS and Germany policy for China and the national party are very intriguing, especially when you take in consideration that there were German interactions and planing with Chinese officials since 1928, makes you wonder what would have happened if they have chosen the Chinese and not the Japs for allies
I wonder what would have happened if Germany just ignored Asia altogether. Would America even have entered the war? The European theatre was deeply unpopular with American servicemen even after Germany declared war on America, they all wanted to go to the Pacific to kill japs.
We might have seen a German victory or, conversely, the USSR make it all the way to the Atlantic.
Amerimutts dont want to go into the details because the Japmoron invasion of the Asian continent was entirely funded by American garden gnomes and would have never happend without America bailing out the broke Jap economy and had American officers embedded into their units all over the place.
>American garden gnomes
And not just any random American garden gnomes, the Japs entire war chest was filled up by THE Rothschild family. Japlands first PM was a "former" Rothschild subsidiary banker groomed by Jacob Schiff and had been schmoozing around with Baron Rothschild before he rose into power.