how come if you bought a solvent trap, you had to destroy the solvent trap because it was a suppressor and you didn't register it before buying i...

how come if you bought a solvent trap, you had to destroy the solvent trap because it was a suppressor and you didn't register it before buying it;
but if you bought a braced ar-15, which is an SBR, you don't have to destroy the illegal SBR even though you didn't register it before buying it?

how come you can register the SBR after the fact, but you couldn't register the silencer after the fact, even though they are both NFA violations and the same class 3 firearms and covered by the same 200$ tax stamp?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not supposed to make sense it’s designed to entrap people with shifting definitions are arbitrary qualifiers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because solvent traps were shit excuses for suppressors and legitimately a niche thing that very few people had any real use for, much like bump stocks.

    But now that there are upwards of 10 million pistol braces out there, the ATF can't just order everyone to destroy them (not to say they wouldn't just outright say that if they thought they could). So instead they hope to sound like they're being magnanimous and meeting people half way by saying "okay so you still need to register it, but we'll give you amnesty for not doing it sooner"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are 40 million braces in circulation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        solvent traps were just as good as any other suppressor

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not even "just-as-good". exactly as good. and you could get them cheaper, and faster, because form 1s went through quicker than form 4s for a while. building it yourself you could get a suppressor as effective as any top tier form 4 can, for 400 something bucks pre-stamp.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's basically what i meant

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no that's not "basically what [you] meant", it's exactly what you intended to say using more words and precise language but missing the point of conveying a simple idea quickly and effectively

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where can I still get a solvent trap that would be legal to buy then register as a suppressor before assembling?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that sounds somewhat arbitrary. why would how small of a minority is affected have anything to do with the type of treatment they get for the same "crime"?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because if 100,000 outraged citizens write their senators to demand your organization is disbanded, that's one thing. If tens of millions do it that's another. No shit it's arbitrary, they're doing what they assume they can get away with based on the scale of the outrage they figure they'll cause. Ever notice how indians have it way worse than black people but you never hear about reparations for them? Hint: it's because there's way more black people around to complain.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's more so that blacks are the favored pets of the garden gnomes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If tens of millions do it that's another.
          It really isn't. Everybsingle swinging dick in America could write letters every day for 4 years and the ATF would not only still exist but it would have a larger budget.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So what you mean to say is they could get away with fucking over solvent trap owners, but they can't get away with fucking over pistol brace owners.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, that's how governments work bro lmao. Kinda seems like they stepped in it this time. Not sure how many senators are going to like hearing "oh yea your phones are blowing up because we decided to make our own laws and turn 10 million of your constituents into felons over night".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hopefully I can still get some free SBRs in the meanwhile. I'd been meaning to anyway. That's a sore dick deal if i'd ever seen one, and it's not even the holidays any more!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah how does that work? Can I just put a regular stock on the gun after getting the free tax stamp approved? Couldn't folks just submit the stamp based on measurements without even owning a brace?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The ATF's FAQ section for this new rule does say you are ok to take your free tax stamp braced-pistol "SBR" and then replace the brace with a stock. If it changes the OAL you have to notify them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone know? What's stopping me from registering all of my AR-15 receivers as SBRs by pretending they have pistol braces installed?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              dude the statement came out yesterday, it's all conjecture. i'm sure you could. who would know? you've got two months. you could buy a brace or buy a 3d printer and make one in that time if you absolutely need to.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This is what I'm thinking. But it depends on the wording of the amnesty.
              >Admit to owning/creating an illegal SBR
              >Here's a free tax stamp
              If it's a legit conversion to SBR, ok. If you have to admit committing a crime for a free stamp, fuck no.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Their website is still down and not permitting people to fill out any of the forms. so... that for starters.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering how long it takes to get a suppressor approved normally, wouldn't this effectively block any new suppressors/SBRs for years and years?
                i mean there are 3 million total NFA items registered going back to 1934. considering the estimated 10-40 million pistol braces in the US, i don't see how they could be done in a timely manner.
                i do think it is interesting that they say it's okay to have your "unregistered SBR" so long as the paperwork is pending, which isn't the case for other NFA items. if you buy a suppressor, you have to wait until the paperwork is done before you can possess it. if you want to have an SBR at any other point in time than right now, you have to wait to be approved before you could put the stock on your rifle.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Created a new eform account today. New category for cuck brace amnesty. Works.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks politicians care about your gun rights
          There ones that honestly do probably number a dozen or less. The ATF is going to do what it does until SCOTUS really rails them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the ATF can't just order everyone to destroy them
      Yes they can. Nobody is going to stop them and of 10,000,000 probably 9,500,000 would comply immediately.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If tens of millions do it that's another.
        It really isn't. Everybsingle swinging dick in America could write letters every day for 4 years and the ATF would not only still exist but it would have a larger budget.

        But then why'd the last time they suggested a brace ban result in Congress telling them to sit the fuck down, and they did.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >probably 9,500,000 would comply immediately.
        What does 95% or the public comply with ever?
        Of the hypothetical 10 million half probably won’t even know this change has come about.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every fucking person who'd have to comply bought it to get one over on the ATF in the first place. They wouldn't just destroy it, but they might register it for free.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're giving the average person too much credit. Most people who bought one just thought it was cool or useful and don't even follow ATF announcements.

          So if you do register your braced gun as an sbr you can throw a stock on it no problem right?

          Yes, or you can just throw a stock on it right now.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If there are millions of braces in circulation, how the fuck does the ATF think there's going to be mass compliance when 90% of brace owners probably won't even know about the legal status change.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're so dangerous it's a free exemption.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because fuck you

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how come
    How can the ATF under the executive branch bypass the legislative branch by inventing new laws out of thin air? That's the part we should be asking.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can't, I'm guessing we're going to see something very similar to the 5th Circuit's Bumpstock Ruling soon, as well as the injunctions that companies have gotten as part of the Frame and Receiver Rule change last year.

      Fuck the ATF

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the power the American people granted them. Supreme Court has already been over this

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many people do you think just won't be aware of it?
    >I bought this at cabelas and it came with the brace. I did my background check and everything. What do you mean I have to destroy it?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The bigger question, OP, is how can the ATF waive collecting a tax mandated by congress and how come they added a new section on e-forms for "revoked" tax stamps?

    And if these forms are exactly the same, how come there is a separate eforms site for the amnesty?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how can the ATF waive collecting a tax mandated by congress and how come they added a new section on e-forms for "revoked" tax stamps?
      I'd imagine this is good pretext for a bait and switch.
      "oopsie we actually need that $200/per sorry teehee"
      And now all these gays posting how they're going to SBR 5+ AR lowers for "free" will be on the hook for $1000+

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >$1000 is a lot to lose
        Fucking crypto.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What are you even trying to say?
          60% of the US can't even afford a $500 unexpected expense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hes on PrepHole hes lying on the internet what else, ask him what he makes hell say 6 figures and hes 22 years old with 4 cars and a paid off house in the woods and 400 acres of land.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >6 figures and he's 22 years old with 4 cars and a paid off house in the woods and 400 acres of land.
              Most people are poor and anon is correct. $500-2k is near impossible for Americans.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/XOJ61es.jpg

            >6 figures and he's 22 years old with 4 cars and a paid off house in the woods and 400 acres of land.
            Most people are poor and anon is correct. $500-2k is near impossible for Americans.

            Not denying the median American is poor and can't handle emergency expenditures, but those "not even $500 in savings" studies completely ignore that rich Americans don't put money in low yield savings accounts.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              My checking gets 4.15%. I keep cash there.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hes on PrepHole hes lying on the internet what else, ask him what he makes hell say 6 figures and hes 22 years old with 4 cars and a paid off house in the woods and 400 acres of land.

            https://i.imgur.com/XOJ61es.jpg

            >6 figures and he's 22 years old with 4 cars and a paid off house in the woods and 400 acres of land.
            Most people are poor and anon is correct. $500-2k is near impossible for Americans.

            >60% of the USA can't afford
            Sucks to be that 60%
            >6 figures is impossible
            Bruhvs, where ya been last few years? Basic burger flippers making $20 an hour. You had to be retarded to not get a 6 figure job thanks to inflation.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I pay my illegal Mexicans $20/hr. If you're on this Swedish kulning singing board and not making more than $40/hr.. ngmi.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pay my illegal Mexicans $20/hr
                If inflation keeps going, might be cheaper to hire a $100 ho to be doing yardwork by the hour.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Physical labor is more degrading to women than selling pucci to arabs and indians.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's because the US Constitution was terribly written and an Amendment that was supposed to allow states to have a National Guard has been hijacked by wannabe successionists into turning the entire country into a warzone, so they need to delay things until we have a legitimate Supreme Court again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, sure are alot of slide attempts going on today. Not even just on PrepHole

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what zero arguments looks like

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That isn't a slide. A slide [thread] is an irrelevant thread posted to clog up the catalog in order to push a targeted topic off the board. What that anon is doing is just being a gay shill

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh "well regulated militia"
      >muh "the people aren't the people"
      >muh "shall not be infringed means the government gets all the rights"

      Learn you some Constitutional Law idiot

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        States aren't the fucking Federal Government, idiot.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the federal government and their bootlicking lackeys can fuck right off

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funny you sing a different tune when your tribe is in charge.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've got terrible news for you: you're a member of a countrywide militia by default and therefore have the right to bear arms.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you're a member of a well REGULATED militia

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Regulation in the 18th century meant being ready for use and in good condition. Being alive and owning weapons for your own personal use makes you functional. Lrn2 federalist papers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >> REGULATED
          yes, you should have equivalent equipment to what a soldier would have in good working order at all times

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >allow states to have a National Guard
      >States
      >National
      bro... even with 2/10 bait you can do better.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    56763426
    weak bait, well regulated means well trained. But you knew that, you are just a tourist farming (you)s

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So if you do register your braced gun as an sbr you can throw a stock on it no problem right?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can keep your brace on your rifle, companies just can't sell them like that anymore.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay but what's the point if no one's following it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      incrementalism you absolute retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have more 10 year sentence charges to throw at white male terrorists when they raid our homes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arguably I'd say that it's a good thing to enforce it to the letter and eliminate loopholes.
      After reading through the entire comment/response paper, it does make sense. It's retarded to be upset at the ATF for how they are enforcing it. They are exercising the power they are bestowed with. "Doing their job", as required to by Congress, who rubber-stamped the NFA.
      "short-barreled rifles are among firearms historically considered by Congress to be unusual and dangerous, the agency is required to implement the NFA and ensure that firearms are properly classified and regulated."
      Probably it's smarter to not be upset at the ones enforcing the rule, but at the ones who made the rule. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops to not be a felon- it shouldn't be a felony to begin with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're NOT following the letter of the law. The NFA defines a rifle as "a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder". DESIGNED TO BE. Not can be. Not overwhelming is. But a question of design intent alone. It's stupid to have a law based on intent instead of action, but that's how the NFA is written.

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