Its pretty standard that professional Plumbers and HVAC use blow torches to solder copper piping, not that your fat neet ass knows anything other than rasperry pis and raspberry pies your mother bakes.
people with money or people who know where the cracked versions are since THOSE actually function better due to a lack of fricked up DRM gumming up the gears
Like I said many times: NATO has 0 interest in sending their space age tech to Ukraine, because they are fully aware of how shit it would perform. Maintenance intensive and prone to break in any but the mildest weather conditions, easily targetable by radar because the Russians don’t know it’s supposed to be invisible.
Like fricking hell he's right, NATO's tech so far outclasses Russians roving scrapheaps its not funny, so a few get shot down by missiles so fricking what? Didn't stop every other time Euro and American technology rained hell on the enemy.
>so fricking what?
so if you actually face a nation or group of them that have half decent tech, having a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one makes you wonder why build the 50 million one. All of the fancy shit doesn't matter unless it equates real life performance gains.
I think people will go >No it wasn't us. It was the Arabs!
But forget they were trained by US and NATO pilots
If some shit hole Iran tech can take out modern fighter jets what does this mean when they face a real air defense system?
>having a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one makes you wonder why build the 50 million one
if it's gets shot down 7 times less often then it makes sense lol
and it does, even more than that
It costs a frick ton of money to train good pilots. And they need to be trained regularly, why waste money on a shittier platform when they'll just cause precious and valuable pilots to die? Arab c**ts cant even train them themselves but have to pay westerners absurd salaries to come, China does this too lol. Russia will have to aswell after depleting their valuable pilot pool
>All of the fancy shit doesn't matter unless it equates real life performance gains
Check the kill to loss ratios of the F-16 and F-15
Now check their Russian equivalents
Yeah I think Western technology does equate real life performance gain. Only thing that Russian SU and MiGs got over them is lower entry cost.
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But western tech was used far less in air to air combat
Meaning less combat experience and testing
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon...
1 year ago
Anonymous
What?
That's how you adapt ya know?
That's why we have these F-16s and F-15s
The F-4 was such a shit show that we learned from our mistakes in Vietnam
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1 year ago
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>F-16 vs 50s MiG-21
Anon that's comparing a hydrogen bomb to a coughing babyn
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Anonymous
The question you should be asking is how come the US is willing to sell F-16 and F-15 to it's client states while the Soviets only equip their client states with Mig-21 and shitty monkey model Mig-23MF/MS rather than the Mig-23 ML
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Anonymous
Why give your best stuff away to your non Germany
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because American client states have oil money, Russian client states have famine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hey east Germany was cool
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Anonymous
Lol. They're both 50 year old designs you absolute homosexual. Plus the US is selling export models, it's not they contain super space-tech and the secrets to destroy America.
As well, the Soviets/Russians has exported Mig-29s (basically same age as F-15/F-16) to various client states, it just doesn't register because the F-15/F-16 as so fricking good and basically all Migs suck ass.
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Well that's why Russia moved to SU
They're.so much better
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Anonymous
>>F-16 vs 50s MiG-21
And dozens of SAM sites plus MiG-23s and Su-20s (both introduced 1970, so only 8 years before the F-16 and 6 years before the F-15) while also being outnumbered. It was always going to be a slaughter but the fact that the Syrians took 85% aircraft losses and 97% SAM losses while managing to do nothing besides down a drone and scuff some paint is still utterly inexcusable.
In the case of the F-35, the plane is very hard to lock with a missile and has an absolutely amazing sensor package that can target your missiles on the group hundreds of miles out. The F-35 can take out your missiles with its own long range stand off missiles or by feed the target to something else, like a cruise missile or a drone wingman.
The F-35 is obviously a lot quicker to deploy in defensive situations than a truck, while on offense it can provide close air support. It does a lot a missile truck cannot.
>so fricking what?
so if you actually face a nation or group of them that have half decent tech, having a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one makes you wonder why build the 50 million one. All of the fancy shit doesn't matter unless it equates real life performance gains.
https://i.imgur.com/pICj6dL.png
Where are your air superiority fighters now?
Counterpoint: the IDF has been flying American fighters, including the F-35 but also 50 year old airframes, to bomb Syria for the past decade. Thousands of sorties per year. It has not lost a single pilot.
This is through Russian AA, Syrian AA provided by Russia, and Iranian AA provided by Russia, including their own S-300. Even if you want to cope about Russia not wanting to shoot down IDF fighters, they clearly cannot detect the F-35 well enough to even get warnings out to their allies about incoming attacks.
Obviously Russian shit does actually work to some degree. Israeli missiles get intercepted for example, just not at nearly the rate they would need to be to be effective (same issue for HIMARS).
Misusing any platform can lead to losses and the Saudis are morons. They neglect to suppress AA in the area and then come in for low altitude CAS because they can't into having proper signaling/targeting so that they could just hurl a JDAM at the target from 20 miles away. If you criss cross an area with AA missiles for a decently long period you can get shot down regardless of how nice your platform is, granted you would have much better odds with a stealth aircraft just due to the difficulty of getting/keeping a lock.
You've never flown or worked on a combat aircraft you subhuman goat fricker, and no one not a maintainer can have a valid opinion on combat aircraft maintenance. That's like virgins discussing sex.
F-16s are easy and F-15s not much harder. Only b***hes who never worked Phantoms think any modern jet is hard to work on.
Anon, having air superiority doesn't mean you're at no risk of getting shotdown or damaged. If they are able to do operations, then they still control the air. It will only become a problem if they managed to deny their air superiority and stop the bombs . Also, arabs suck at wars, so there is that.
Russia, if your missiles are going brrt there is something wrong with them and you probably shouldn't launch them. I can't find the webm of the russian missile flying back and blowing up its launch system in my Russian frickups folder, but that's the sort of thing that happens when your missile is making weird noises, don't launch those.
>5 f-15 and f-16s lost >Operated by sandBlack folk >Missile spamming >Only 5 lost
This just proves that our technology is so advanced it can even make an arab take off and land (emphasis on the landing part).
We all like to forget that Arabs are both laughably incompetent and not actually trusted with even baseline models of equipment from the 80s and 90s. I mean kek, their Abrams were all steel, none of them had the DU or spaced composite and ~~*CLASSIFIED*~~ layering
highly doubt that exported Abrams have their base composite armor arrays replaced by just steel RHA, this theory sounds about as dumb as the cope that the Iraqi T-72s only had training ammo
>technical failure, etc.
I hereby claim the Admiral Kutsenov losing 1/3rd of its air wing during landing operations as a crushing American victory and the end of Russian aviation
>On 7 January 2018, Houthi fighters claimed to have shot down a Saudi warplane which was conducting air-raids over northern Yemen.[275] According to Saudi reports, the downed aircraft was an RSAF Tornado which was on a combat mission over Saada province in northern Yemen, it was lost for 'technical reasons' and both crew were rescued.[276]
hmmm
arab maintenance strikes again. for the sake of slavshit I hope Indian peacetime losses don't count as "kills"
Because that's what the missiles were designed to do?? They aren't invincible, look at the F-117A, it basically leveled Yugoslavia, yet, a moronic Serb with 60 year old equipment managed to shoot it down.
Best case scenario is that they are moronic arabs flying planes who have been trained by Western pilots who haven't been shot at with anything larger than a dushka for the past twenty years
Worst case scenario they are arabs who got trained by other arabs and are thus incapable of hitting anything smaller than the twin towers, also they are flying monkey models.
you are moronic
>Arabs shot down
Arabs don't know how to do shit. This is like blaming their tanks for why killing Arabs in tanks is like shooting fish in a barrel.
What?
My dude, can you not afford to pirate a copy of photoshop?
who the frick makes memes in photo shop when paint, gimp or paint.net exists. Photoshop is using a blow torch to solder.
Its pretty standard that professional Plumbers and HVAC use blow torches to solder copper piping, not that your fat neet ass knows anything other than rasperry pis and raspberry pies your mother bakes.
that's the point you Black person homosexual
>Photoshop is using a blow torch to solder.
Also known as using the right fricking tool for the job
It's obvious you've never done any plumbing anon.
I recap boards. I call a plumber when I need that kind of work done.
>memes
they're called image macros newbie. lurk moar
Black person
Plumbing torches are primarily for soldering you inarticulate gorillla Black person.
>accidently outs himself as a homosexual know nothing child
Wajt I thought all these memes were made in Ms paint
MS Paint = soul
Photoshop = soulless
Yeah I'm confused
I legit thought the bedrock of this site was mspaint
it is. the photoshop anon is just being moronic in order to have an angle to mock OP from.
Makes sense
Who uses photo shop?
people with money or people who know where the cracked versions are since THOSE actually function better due to a lack of fricked up DRM gumming up the gears
Oh
Your memes suck go back to plebbit and take your photoshop with you
These dollar store recycled memes shoe Ukraine has no alternative to surrender now
Like I said many times: NATO has 0 interest in sending their space age tech to Ukraine, because they are fully aware of how shit it would perform. Maintenance intensive and prone to break in any but the mildest weather conditions, easily targetable by radar because the Russians don’t know it’s supposed to be invisible.
Shut the frick up.
Why mad? He right.
Like fricking hell he's right, NATO's tech so far outclasses Russians roving scrapheaps its not funny, so a few get shot down by missiles so fricking what? Didn't stop every other time Euro and American technology rained hell on the enemy.
>so fricking what?
so if you actually face a nation or group of them that have half decent tech, having a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one makes you wonder why build the 50 million one. All of the fancy shit doesn't matter unless it equates real life performance gains.
I think people will go
>No it wasn't us. It was the Arabs!
But forget they were trained by US and NATO pilots
If some shit hole Iran tech can take out modern fighter jets what does this mean when they face a real air defense system?
>having a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one makes you wonder why build the 50 million one
if it's gets shot down 7 times less often then it makes sense lol
and it does, even more than that
>if you actually face a nation or group of them that have half decent tech
What nations, specificaly ?
all the other nations that are also buying 50 million dollar aircrafts
Yes
>gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one
You mean, gets shot down 10 times less than the 8 million dollar one.
Also
>obsessing about single equipment cost
Not how actual war works.
It costs a frick ton of money to train good pilots. And they need to be trained regularly, why waste money on a shittier platform when they'll just cause precious and valuable pilots to die? Arab c**ts cant even train them themselves but have to pay westerners absurd salaries to come, China does this too lol. Russia will have to aswell after depleting their valuable pilot pool
>All of the fancy shit doesn't matter unless it equates real life performance gains
Check the kill to loss ratios of the F-16 and F-15
Now check their Russian equivalents
Yeah I think Western technology does equate real life performance gain. Only thing that Russian SU and MiGs got over them is lower entry cost.
But western tech was used far less in air to air combat
Meaning less combat experience and testing
Anon...
What?
That's how you adapt ya know?
That's why we have these F-16s and F-15s
The F-4 was such a shit show that we learned from our mistakes in Vietnam
>F-16 vs 50s MiG-21
Anon that's comparing a hydrogen bomb to a coughing babyn
The question you should be asking is how come the US is willing to sell F-16 and F-15 to it's client states while the Soviets only equip their client states with Mig-21 and shitty monkey model Mig-23MF/MS rather than the Mig-23 ML
Why give your best stuff away to your non Germany
Because American client states have oil money, Russian client states have famine.
Hey east Germany was cool
Lol. They're both 50 year old designs you absolute homosexual. Plus the US is selling export models, it's not they contain super space-tech and the secrets to destroy America.
As well, the Soviets/Russians has exported Mig-29s (basically same age as F-15/F-16) to various client states, it just doesn't register because the F-15/F-16 as so fricking good and basically all Migs suck ass.
Well that's why Russia moved to SU
They're.so much better
>>F-16 vs 50s MiG-21
And dozens of SAM sites plus MiG-23s and Su-20s (both introduced 1970, so only 8 years before the F-16 and 6 years before the F-15) while also being outnumbered. It was always going to be a slaughter but the fact that the Syrians took 85% aircraft losses and 97% SAM losses while managing to do nothing besides down a drone and scuff some paint is still utterly inexcusable.
>a plane that costs 50 million that gets shot down just the same as a 8 million dollar one
lol lmao
F-15 was shot down over Iraq tho in air to air combat
Source smegma Zed
In the case of the F-35, the plane is very hard to lock with a missile and has an absolutely amazing sensor package that can target your missiles on the group hundreds of miles out. The F-35 can take out your missiles with its own long range stand off missiles or by feed the target to something else, like a cruise missile or a drone wingman.
The F-35 is obviously a lot quicker to deploy in defensive situations than a truck, while on offense it can provide close air support. It does a lot a missile truck cannot.
Counterpoint: the IDF has been flying American fighters, including the F-35 but also 50 year old airframes, to bomb Syria for the past decade. Thousands of sorties per year. It has not lost a single pilot.
This is through Russian AA, Syrian AA provided by Russia, and Iranian AA provided by Russia, including their own S-300. Even if you want to cope about Russia not wanting to shoot down IDF fighters, they clearly cannot detect the F-35 well enough to even get warnings out to their allies about incoming attacks.
Obviously Russian shit does actually work to some degree. Israeli missiles get intercepted for example, just not at nearly the rate they would need to be to be effective (same issue for HIMARS).
Misusing any platform can lead to losses and the Saudis are morons. They neglect to suppress AA in the area and then come in for low altitude CAS because they can't into having proper signaling/targeting so that they could just hurl a JDAM at the target from 20 miles away. If you criss cross an area with AA missiles for a decently long period you can get shot down regardless of how nice your platform is, granted you would have much better odds with a stealth aircraft just due to the difficulty of getting/keeping a lock.
oooh this one will get a rise out of them.
Yeah stupidity typically annoys people.
You've never flown or worked on a combat aircraft you subhuman goat fricker, and no one not a maintainer can have a valid opinion on combat aircraft maintenance. That's like virgins discussing sex.
F-16s are easy and F-15s not much harder. Only b***hes who never worked Phantoms think any modern jet is hard to work on.
>f16
>space age
>from the 1960s
I think you mean space race tech.
Technically, the 1960s were the Space Age.
Why are these sandBlack folk speaking the language of the infidel? Why must they rely on the tools of the blasphemer?
Air dominance is about air dominance. How many fighters can Yemen put to the sky?
Kat is a wonderful drug
Anon, having air superiority doesn't mean you're at no risk of getting shotdown or damaged. If they are able to do operations, then they still control the air. It will only become a problem if they managed to deny their air superiority and stop the bombs . Also, arabs suck at wars, so there is that.
I'm sorry they shut down r/wojak but that's not an excuse to post your zoomer shit here.
Russia, if your missiles are going brrt there is something wrong with them and you probably shouldn't launch them. I can't find the webm of the russian missile flying back and blowing up its launch system in my Russian frickups folder, but that's the sort of thing that happens when your missile is making weird noises, don't launch those.
>flown by Arabs
lol
lmao even
Still counts
A whole 5 jets destroyed spanning multiple decades
its truely over western bros
How come Armatard sucks so many donkey dicks, eh?
>5 f-15 and f-16s lost
>Operated by sandBlack folk
>Missile spamming
>Only 5 lost
This just proves that our technology is so advanced it can even make an arab take off and land (emphasis on the landing part).
Is this the same Arabs that lost an Abrams to RPGs and hull fire despite Abrams being built to withstand both
We all like to forget that Arabs are both laughably incompetent and not actually trusted with even baseline models of equipment from the 80s and 90s. I mean kek, their Abrams were all steel, none of them had the DU or spaced composite and ~~*CLASSIFIED*~~ layering
highly doubt that exported Abrams have their base composite armor arrays replaced by just steel RHA, this theory sounds about as dumb as the cope that the Iraqi T-72s only had training ammo
They were built on entirely separate assembly lines
t. former GD factory slave
>five whole jets in eight years of war
Air-to-air losses in 32 days of the Gulf War:
1 F/A-18
1 RAF Tornado
44 MiG-21 and MiG-23s
Now include anti air missiles
You jackoff
Okay
Now the Coalition lost 39 jets and Iraq lost 750
Lol
You're neither counting jets nor aircraft captured by Iran in that, moron
No you
Actually it's far more
>technical failure, etc.
I hereby claim the Admiral Kutsenov losing 1/3rd of its air wing during landing operations as a crushing American victory and the end of Russian aviation
Still counts
>brrt
fwoosh
>On 7 January 2018, Houthi fighters claimed to have shot down a Saudi warplane which was conducting air-raids over northern Yemen.[275] According to Saudi reports, the downed aircraft was an RSAF Tornado which was on a combat mission over Saada province in northern Yemen, it was lost for 'technical reasons' and both crew were rescued.[276]
hmmm
arab maintenance strikes again. for the sake of slavshit I hope Indian peacetime losses don't count as "kills"
>Arabs
That's all you need to know.
>Where are your air superiority fighters now?
Yeah b***h
Win the sky's over Yemen
Because that's what the missiles were designed to do?? They aren't invincible, look at the F-117A, it basically leveled Yugoslavia, yet, a moronic Serb with 60 year old equipment managed to shoot it down.
Actually shot down 1 and hit another apparently
>F-15
>Number built: 1,198
>F-16
>Number built: 4,604
Because it's a fricking half-century old design?
Best case scenario is that they are moronic arabs flying planes who have been trained by Western pilots who haven't been shot at with anything larger than a dushka for the past twenty years
Worst case scenario they are arabs who got trained by other arabs and are thus incapable of hitting anything smaller than the twin towers, also they are flying monkey models.