How can we get a license from Russia to produce the AN-94 in North America?

How can we get a license from Russia to produce the AN-94 in North America?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your best bet is illegal knock offs.
    The west will not get official approval and the west has a lot more to lose if things like copyright get tossed under the bus.

    It's not gonna happen.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What're they gonna do, sue? Vatnik & Pidor LLC gonna serve papers in a US jurisdiction? A country with no copyright legislation is going to bring litigation on copyright violation?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we can't even make decent akms in the US and you want to try to make an an-94? lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I want to see PSA try, just to laugh at the raging dumpster fire it would become.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      After all these years I still don't understand if our inability to manufacture something even third world countries managed to do is due to the nature of trying to replicate something mechanical without all the necessary infos and machines or if it's just the good old capitalism pinching pennies to maximise profits therefore shitting out garbage at premium prices

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >shitting out garbage at premium prices
        ^^The start of the American-made AK market in one phrase lmao. I get that there are a handful of dedicated guys putting stellar rifles out there, but the Century Arms, IO mentality of "Just slap it together, loose tolerances are why they're so reliable" is some of the fuddiest lore i've ever seen put to practice with horrible results. My buddy bought a RAS years ago. A locking lug cracked after 2,000 rds. He sent it in for repairs and they sent him a WASR instead lmao.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Edit: even better it was a cracked trunnion.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I.O. was terrible but from what I have been seeing, KUSA and Palmetto are starting to get the manufacture of the kalashnikov platform down, albeit they make mistakes every so often. Tldr, the U.S.A manufacturing is barely alive and even simple tasks such as kalashnikov manufacturing requires more effort than it should, forget about complex tasks *cough Boeing *cough

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >KUSA and Palmetto are starting to get the manufacture of the kalashnikov platform down

            As cringe as Garand Thumb is now, I liked his early review of the first gen PSA 74. They actually listened to his advice and fixed the problems pretty fast.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This. To a lesser extent, Riley did the same with Rob Ski when their early rifles shit the bed really badly. While they are not as good as imports, I think there will come anpoint where they will be the affordable budget option that the wasr was a decade ago.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >KUSA and Palmetto are starting to get the manufacture of the kalashnikov platform down
            KUSA had a huge dip in QC about a year ago and while they seem to have righted the ship, the reputation damage has been done. They let a LOT of fricked up units ship and it took them WAY too long to admit there was an issue and start making it right.

            PSA, well, they've come a long way but the fundamental issue with PSA as a company is that they sell stuff at the pricepoint that they do by passing QC onto the customer. Their AKs are better than they used to be, but between socials, here, and various message boards I still see at least one PSA AK a week with some completely unacceptable QC issue that never should've made it off the production line. For me personally it's completely insane to pay what PSA wants for their AKs when multiple imports are pretty damn close to the same price.

            IMO it's mostly an issue that these American companies are wired to try and cut costs whenever and however they can, and with AK production that means a bad gun. Instead of just sticking to the TDPs that even a drunk Romanian with fetal alcohol syndrome can follow, they're constantly looking for which parts they can cheap out on, instead of just accepting that there's a right way to do it and it costs what it costs.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This is true, and unironically I think the fundamental rivalry between communism and capatalism can be alegorized by how capatlistic countries can't quite make a decent communist designed weapon plainly because the capatilistic nature prevents it from being made, where as Stalin told factories to make ak or go to gulag. Tbh the kusa 101 or 103 sfs will be my next ak, especially after seeing the fit and finish in my lgs

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >license
    Unlikely to impossible, Kalashnikov Concern is specifically sanctioned company. Supposedly that's why Larry Vickers got in shit so deep, KC was going to set up a factory stateside and Larry was going to be their public face, but since KC are verboten he may as well have been selling AKs directly to the LA gangs for all the ATF cared.
    >produce the AN-94 in North America
    Without a TDP, everything would be eyeballed. Which certainly isn't impossible, enough deactivated AN94s exist in circulation in Europe that measurements could be taken and guns could be made, though I wouldnt trust my life to them when even the real guns are unreliable as frick. The real obstacle is getting people to pay for it once you've brought it to market.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Larry Vickers
      "Today on Tac TV we've got this Daniel Defense airsoft gun because it's all I can touch without going back to jail."

      I was floored when I heard he basically conspired with his local PD to get new NFA shit through demo letters, without any demos. Dude was playing with fire for years idk how he thought it would end well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this is kind of just how boomers do things. they change the rules behind them and get grandfathered in just by virtue of lax enforcement

        problem is boomers don't run the government anymore and a lot of them just get floored by gen x'ers enforcing rules that they though they were under a gentlemans agreement to not enforce, and then they whine about discrimination or whatever

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Boomers don't run the government? Ha, that's the best joke I've heard all day and it's not even noon yet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're in the middle of the great boomer die-off, they're being phased out no matter how much they try to avoid it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The average age of a senator is what, 64? While the house is much younger in its age distribution, Boomers still have yet to peak.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                64 is pretty damn close to as young as a boomer can be in 2024 and the oldest Gen Xers are in their 60s.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >conspired with his local PD to get new NFA shit through demo letters, without any demos
        wha... why? not even him, I mean what kind of cuck PD signs off on a demo letter and passes on the full auto range day?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This was a scheme by a few senior LEOs and Vickers to be "collectors" of post 86 stuff without actually collecting it in legal speak. I'm sure they did some demos, but clearly not enough to keep ATF from investigating.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Unlikely to impossible
      If it is over 20 years old it is in the public domain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What does that have to do with getting a license from a sanctioned company? Just because the F35 is over 20 years old doesn't mean we're going to start selling it to the North Koreans.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the F35 has also been continuously updated, and is also made of multiple other patents
          the AN-94 was a one & done experiment that failed

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good news, its literally being worked on buy a company domestically right now. Parts physically exist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally who? It'll provide be a big nothing burger like the US made VSS clones

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Feller with a couple of the deacts in the states

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He should 3d scan them and post them online if he wants true progress. Can't stop the signal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Then post a fricking link

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do americans pay a fee for cloning the ak?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no, the design is older than 20 years. Why do you think roaches are shitting out all these M4 knockoffs all of a sudden? Patent expired

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lmao how stupid are you?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        since you b***h about china stealing, this makes you the moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          When have you seen me b***h about China stealing?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            quality seethe, clowntard.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wanna know the backstory of how the ~2 legit ones in the US got here. Parts kits that got mixed in with other not Russian shit? Some importer bought one during the five fricking seconds that political relations with Russia were warm enough for him to do it? Some glowie brought it back in a duffle bag and gave it to his SOT buddy? idk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Parts kits that got mixed in with other not Russian shit?
      Smuggling in with Mechano bits. Check the archives for details.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I heard there's more than 2. Like 3 or 4 made it to the states.

      >how did it get here
      the secret is crime.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wanna know the backstory of how the ~2 legit ones in the US got here. Parts kits that got mixed in with other not Russian shit? Some importer bought one during the five fricking seconds that political relations with Russia were warm enough for him to do it? Some glowie brought it back in a duffle bag and gave it to his SOT buddy? idk

        State department approved a limited import from the UK at one point that got like 3 into the country. Two for a reference collection, SOT kept one and its been passed around

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > semi auto
    who would buy it?
    until the new MG manufacture ban falls, its pointless.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother licensing it?
    What are they going to do? Sue you and make you pay a large amount of money in compensation to a Russian arms company that's under financial sanctions?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not this shit again
    It's about patents, not copyright.
    If patents have expired it can be copied without any legal problems.
    Technical data package however...
    Just take a look at US AKs lol

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just copy it. What are the Russians going to do? Sanction you?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want one so bad bros..

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >russian oligarch sells plans to azeri company in secret deal to get his yacht back
    >azeri company sells plans to american company
    >american company starts cranking out an-94's with mlok handguards and no bayonet lugs

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