How can this team clear this room without being shot by the red guy if;. 1. They don't know if anyone is inside. 2.

How can this team clear this room without being shot by the red guy if;
1. They don't know if anyone is inside
2. They only have rifles, no other equipment

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    All four magdump through the wall in an overlapping pattern.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Simple:

      ...and then:
      >toss a couple of grenades through the door into the room so that they bounce off the wall next to the door and hopefully airburst in the center of the room
      ...and then...
      >point man rushes to corner opposite opfor
      >second man rushes corner containing opfor
      >third man rushes corner opposite door
      >fourth man covers rest of team from doorway, optionally providing external security by covering the door and the space outside beyond it
      ...and then...
      >all four men converge on opfor like a pack of feral Black folk at a college girl's couch casting audition
      ...and then...
      >opfor is kia'd or secured & detained; two men loot opfor while other two men provide security

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      First two get shot here.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        And the enemies kill each other in the crossfire, mission accomplished

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I got that reference.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          What color is the boathouse at Hereford?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bullets go around corners
        anyway, its a mathematically impossible task even if you do know where the guy is because a line of sight and fire always opens both ways at the same time

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >two entering the door at the same time
      For fricks sake do these cod kids have no shame?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody on /k/ knows CQB.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          literally no one cares that you watched youtube videos on how to 'properly' do cqb like a fricking dweeb

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            This. There really is no proper way to do CQB. There are some basic fundamentals principles but other than that it's all incredibly circumstancial. Tactics and gear haven't saved all the spec ops guys who have been killed with iron sighted AKs. Fact of the matter is if you're holding a difficult corner/angle you will take the first few guys in the assaulting party to hell with you.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              there is a proper way though, it's called a 2000lb paveway through the roof

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah anon we all saw the meme and changed our opinion about CQB immediately.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is it wrong though? Tell me, why on god's green earth would you try to meticulously sweep and clear a room in hostile territory when you have grenades

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Muh highspeed low drag pipedog operator shit

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You won't have grenades

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is the goddamned US military son, I would be court martialed if I didn't have at least 3 grenades on my person at all times

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                can i see your paveway?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Tells Marines not to act smart
                >Can't even have the necessary reading comprehension to understand the OP

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >walk into the room with a hostile force
                >with no reason not to light the fricking thing up like Vegas
                Okay then, magdump through the walls

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Though this is going into semantics, OP wanted the room cleared. Not burned down. You're right that the correct answer is destroying the room and the person in it. But I'm trying to highlight to OP his problem has no solution under the specifications he requested. Even if you come up with the perfect way of going in that room, someone can still be shot.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If there are thousands of rooms and only 5% hav enemies, 5% have civilians, and 90% are empty; are you going to throw a grenade in every single room so you kill the civilians and let the enemy know where you are so they and set up an ambush just right? Do you even have that many grenades?

                No Black person. You're gonna sneak in until you bump into the enemy, shoot them, and then start throwing frags.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, frick those civvies for getting in my way. I eat RDX for breakfast and literally shit grenades so I'm not running out of explosives any time soon. Frankly if I could have it my way we'd carpet bomb the area with whatever was on sale that day but noo that violates europisser laws of war or some liberal nonsense

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. CQB is moronic and only a last option type of deal. It's not an exact science. If you don't have hostages the building is being exploded or lit up. They might wait you out too.

                You cant always call in air support to shred everything (though in pic related they actually did towards the end).
                Sometimes you'll need to clear an area from an unknown number of hostiles on your own turf.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I concur. If someone has the drop on you, you're fricked. Hopefully 3 or 4 could smoke him

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              The reality that some moron getting the drop on you could take you out no matter who you are isn’t ego affirming so most people who imagine themselves as tough guys never come to terms with the possibility.
              >I’d just teleport away tho
              >couldn’t be me

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro in this situation all you'd have to do is action roll into the room. So fast they won't be able to track or predict where you'll stop and then you just light'em up bro.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah you throw grenades into the room or level the house instead of entering it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is correct.

            Or mouseholing. E.g. blow a new, big hole in one wall.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually know quite a lot from my work.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thoughts on the Taurus? Never seen one, before.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              They are the shittiest weapons possible.

              Can you give me your gun?

              You don't want such a shitty gun.

              Why are you Brazilian?

              To enjoy urban warfare on a weekday base.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My guns have an average age of 70 so it’ll fit right in

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            My condolences for you having to lug around this piece of shit submachine gun all day long.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you give me your gun?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you Brazilian?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              He smeared shit on the Cross in a past life, so God punished him by having him reincarnate as a Brazilian, just like me.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >furaffinity gear
            yeah, figures

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you work with a golden retriever? Mine had that same crimpy hair.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The GIF is almost right with what I've been taught, the guys entering like that is called buttonhooking, though we don't enter at the same time still. There should be a minimum of 4 people as well, with the 3rd man looking down the corridor still providing security and the 4th guy entering the room.
          We're taught pic related is the preferred way of entering. It's 50 50 if you turn in the same corner as the enemy, its luck more than anything, hopefully your plate takes the hits

          Yeah you throw grenades into the room or level the house instead of entering it.

          Simple, toss a frag in there

          If that building contains any number of civilians or friendly forces, you cant just frag everything until you've confirmed where the enemy is.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just walk in and hope you survive the shots
            You're an amateur.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Where did I say they just walk in, you enter the room quickly and with rifle ready, pointing at the corner you havent yet cleared, I said there's an element of luck and your plates are there if all else fails.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If that building contains any number of civilians or friendly forces, you cant just frag everything until you've confirmed where the enemy is.
            Watch me.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              You don't own any frags moron

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn't work because it is too slow.

      https://i.imgur.com/3M3daNC.png

      How can this team clear this room without being shot by the red guy if;
      1. They don't know if anyone is inside
      2. They only have rifles, no other equipment

      Without a concussive, flashbang, drone or whatever there will be risk to the men. MOUT is unforgiving. The four men all have coordinated angles of fire and it is important that the first three all enter the room quickly because it is hard to hit a moving target and the red stick figure will usually focus on the first or second person and not see the third or fourth that will be aiming at him as a primary arc. MOUT sucks for everyone involved.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you like a General or something?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      anon, doors dont open outward like that

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They do if you live in the first world

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          maybe in a commercial building, but residential homes open inward. go open your front door right now. your door swings out to the street? your bedroom door swings out into the hallway?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >go open your front door right now. your door swings out to the street?
            Yes? Generally speaking, doorways where I live tend to be set in a small alcove to avoid smacking into people on the street

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            My front door opens outward and my bedroom door opens inward. I live in a trailer btw. Front door is so shitty i broke it down drunk one night just leaning on it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t.american

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      the op clearly shows the door opens inward and blocks the left view

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      1 man should cross a door and hold long
      2 man crosses door and opens door
      3 man enters first

      have a nice day

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You gave no time limit so it's simple, just wait outside until he makes himself known or starves to death.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    use the fiber optic camera from splinter cell

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Easy , call in an artillery strike

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play a fart track on loop with some really beastly braps until you hear giggling.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only one you'll need

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Goddamnit anon you're a genius. Why have we never tried to harness the universal power of the fart joke?

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Open the door all the way moron.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    in a not moronic scenario they would have flashbangs
    in this scenario they dont so they get shot as soon as the door opens
    good exercise OP

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol fricking vidyea troon. IRL flashbangs don't work like in video games. They're supposed to be loud and concussive and disorientating, but they don't blind you and make you unable to see. And they're only good at catching people completely off guard like if it was a group of degenerates doing drugs on a couch or a nice white family eating dinner. If it was a guy who had his rifle aimed at the door he'd still be good to shoot anyone who walks through there.

      t.muhreene infantry who worked with San Diego SWAT in training exercises

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok cool dude but its better than fricking nothing.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        homie youre a marine dont try to act smart lmao

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >marine infantry worked with SWAT
        Yeah, and you can't solve the problem in OP.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is no way to solve it without someone potentially getting killed. Especially since OP stated they only have rifles and no other equipment.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        homie youre a marine dont try to act smart lmao

        also i didnt say anything about how flashbangs work, just that they would have them. enjoy your crayons and crippling alcoholism, oorah homosexual

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't drink and I got out after 4 years and moved on. Just mentioned it here because I have experience with flashbangs and cs/tear gas, you do not by your obvious vidyeah kiddie homosexual understanding of reality lol

          >Bu... But muh flashbangzzz!!!!

          Lol

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >moved on
            clearly not if youre on a mongolian washboard forum using it to try to bully an anon you know nothing about lmao you are pretty triggered by my simple mention of kit, fricking sensitive ass homosexual.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Wahhhh wahhhh this Muhreene on PrepHole was bullying me WAHHHH wahhhh!!!!

              Pathetic. I can't believe you unironically said you were being bullied. Single mother?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            What about crash?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Swat blew up the black nationalist dude with a robot instead of trying to breach an actual fatal funnel. CQB/breaching is moronic unless it is 100% of what you do and even then every room is going to be a huge gamble.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. CQB is moronic and only a last option type of deal. It's not an exact science. If you don't have hostages the building is being exploded or lit up. They might wait you out too.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good old R2Dindu

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That was griefing because he zigzagged 5 of them earlier. He was wounded and bleeding out by the end. They could have taken him alive, but were not in an arresting mood by thar point.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >throw flashbang
      >dude inside blindly magdumps doorway
      >best case scenario none of blue dies but they still don't have a good idea of where in the room red it
      >alternatively red magdumps the door and also the entire length of wall killing or wounding several of blue

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol fricking vidyea troon. IRL flashbangs don't work like in video games. They're supposed to be loud and concussive and disorientating, but they don't blind you and make you unable to see. And they're only good at catching people completely off guard like if it was a group of degenerates doing drugs on a couch or a nice white family eating dinner. If it was a guy who had his rifle aimed at the door he'd still be good to shoot anyone who walks through there.

      t.muhreene infantry who worked with San Diego SWAT in training exercises

      Share you wisdom with me, oh Muhreene Teh Wise:
      How do they clear entire apartment buildings, like the ones we have in Eastern Europe?
      I mean imagine a building with 4 staircases, each staircase has 10 floors, 6 apartments on every floor....
      It would require a frickload of soldiers or it would take ages to clear and be sure no opposing forces hide in it.
      And you have to do it when you take a town, one could hide a regiment in one apartment block.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        A wider angle strategy would be employed. No one would order room clearing on that scale, they'd just cA:lL iN An aIrStRIkE or rocket barrage orwhatever your supersolder kgays call it. Or gas it or some shit and seige them out after blowing the mechanical room or hitting water/elec.

        It's like being in your car, you're not safe against firearms. Any slow-walking Black person could just light up your whole family if you dare beep at them. You're trapped and in a narrow target envelope. It's not a safe place, there or in an apartment block. If there are that many soldiers in a single building the use of propelled munitions would be even more justified and even more efficient.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    By turning around and leaving him alone.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Close the door and leave one/two guys watching over it from the distance and behind cover.
    Then get some gasoline and burn it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      *ignore the part "close the door"

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simple, toss a frag in there

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Burn the house down.
    Use flash bangs.
    Use flash bangs to burn the house down.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no other equipment
      I burn the house down and shoot him as he tries to flee

      Look out boys, we have a couple of bonafide FBI agents among us.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Haha, FBI? Why would the FBI be here?

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no other equipment
    I burn the house down and shoot him as he tries to flee

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of blind fire.
    Shooting through the walls if possible.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ATF agent detected.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Quick peek and pre-fire.
    Use drones if needed.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This Black person thinks it's Tarkov

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        explain why videogame tactics dont work in real life.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well for starters that just means you're going to magdump into every corner or room?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some videogame tactics do work in real life. The penalty for death in a video game is generally much less and lots of games let players tank several bullets without penalty which allows for some recon by receiving fire.

          Overall teamwork strategies do tend to work in both vidya and irl because if you can defeat your enemy in detail and flank from multiple angles you will be more successful.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like how gathering artifacts and exoskeletons in stalker lets you turn a rifle hit from almost always fatal to can take a minor barrage without being incapacitated

            lmao this thread is fricking gold
            everyone was an expert until this was posted
            kek

            Can't shoot through the wall. Try again.

            >never gave anything but joke answer
            The lucky thing is being a scientist I don’t need to know since not my job
            Why not a how to survive carjacking and keep your car thread
            More useful

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was actually referring to Siege vatBlack person.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >only rifles
    You aren't going to be kicking doors in le heckin race war timmy so don't fret your little heart over doing muh high-speed low drag room clearing without any of the shit people who do that would have

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically this. It's much more likely that a police/military force composed of Jamal, Jose, and Cletus, led by Lieutenant Goldstein will be kicking in your door than the other way around. If anything learning how to take as many zogbots to hell with you is the best plan.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, 12 gauge aimed at doorway is my opening move.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was, if I recall correctly, a case where a SWAT team lost a couple dudes because there was a moron holed up in the corner of the room they were breaching with a 12 guage.
          He hit them in the shoulder area as they were entering, they lacked armor there and he made critical hits on hearts/lungs.
          Now shoulder armor exists but I have no idea how prevalent it is.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Literally like three months ago some guy in a Biker Gang killed a SWAT officer by shooting him in the neck with a 12 gauge. He didn't know it was LE's raiding him. He got off of course because no knock raids are always a recipe for disaster. What I'm wondering about the situation is, how he survived the ensuing barrage from the SWAT team. You know for a FACT that those swat guys all magdumped in his general direction.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically this. It's much more likely that a police/military force composed of Jamal, Jose, and Cletus, led by Lieutenant Goldstein will be kicking in your door than the other way around. If anything learning how to take as many zogbots to hell with you is the best plan.

      Yeah, 12 gauge aimed at doorway is my opening move.

      >homosexual JIDF shill pretending it isn't the feds themselves crowdsourcing their CQB training because their obese gay instructors are all Gen X diversity hires since the boomer boot lickers all retired over the last several years.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the feds are outsourcing their CQB training to PrepHole!
        have a nice day moron.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          kek, instant response, go back to monitoring your BBC and sissy porn threads on /gif/ you fricking BAThomosexual

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If they know he's in there or even heavily suspect it, throw flash or CS, then enter quickly or with masks when he coughs (gives away presence/position). That's assuming they're a fully equipped, fully weapons free unit. Most likely they're going to have the first guy peek and get shot, the door is his only cover. One of them is going to see someone through the crack of the door, suspect has the edge. He's sitting quietly while a moving team makes some amount of noise. They can also rush in to get off the X and fill that room with guys quick, and that's the first corner the point man should check.

  18. 11 months ago
    sage

    Easy. They use the first 2 guys as human shields as they check the 2 corners.

    1 of the human shields eats the bullets and the guy behind him shoots back.

    That is if the guy inside has better aim and reacts and shoots faster. If not he's dead and the human shields live.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the gay night club rampage, the cops blew out the bathroom wall that the gunman was cornered in.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They also most likely shot several civilians and just added them to the shooter's killcount because he used the same caliber.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >open door
    >scan as far as the northwest corner
    >get 1 to poke the butt of his rifle around the door
    >defender fires at movement
    >2, 3, and 4 proceed to magdump through the wall in the general area of the corner of the room
    >1, assuming his gun isn't hit, enters while the defender attempts to take cover

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    lmao this thread is fricking gold
    everyone was an expert until this was posted
    kek

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one is an expert on this topic. Lady luck rules with an iron fist.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Toss 6 flash bangs inside of the room, collect the red guy's ashes on an urn, perform burial at sea.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mccgiver Riggs an IED out of the ammo and turns metal clothing bits into shrapnel
    The IED incapacitates the room occupant and they finish him

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Don't know if anyone's inside
    There won't be

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't shoot through the wall. Try again.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick is this wall made of? AR500 steel?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >american doesn't understand the real world is made of cinderblock, brick or concrete
          many such cases!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            So then u play like it s red orchestra

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            556 goes easily through those hollowed out cinder blocks if the target is leaning against the wall, 7.62x39 and 308 NATO even more so. Even a solid cinder block gets shattered by 308 NATO.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shoot the door off it's hinges and knock it down but don't immediately breach. Look in before breaching by slicing ye olde pie across doorway. You would immediately know the only place for a shooter to hide is where red guy is. Loudly inform the occupant that you know where he is in the room. Tell him if he wants to live his only option is to surrender. Try to goad them into giving a response if they give none for extra confirmation.

            Eliminates the need to peel into the room allowing you to just pop your rifle in and cap the jackass if they ignore commands.

            Both 5.56 and 7.62x39 sail through cinderblocks, especially at close range. A solid concrete wall will fail with enough shots in the same spot too. If you just keep shooting eventually you'll have a hole, and it's not going to take near as much as you'd think.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Throws lead amd grenades in the general direction of your voice

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shoot the door off it's hinges and knock it down but don't immediately breach. Look in before breaching by slicing ye olde pie across doorway. You would immediately know the only place for a shooter to hide is where red guy is. Loudly inform the occupant that you know where he is in the room. Tell him if he wants to live his only option is to surrender. Try to goad them into giving a response if they give none for extra confirmation.

            Eliminates the need to peel into the room allowing you to just pop your rifle in and cap the jackass if they ignore commands.

            Both 5.56 and 7.62x39 sail through cinderblocks, especially at close range. A solid concrete wall will fail with enough shots in the same spot too. If you just keep shooting eventually you'll have a hole, and it's not going to take near as much as you'd think.

            Rifle rounds eat bricks, cinder blocks.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Non meme answer but still video game: can somebody blindly shoot with the gun poking out of the across the door to suppress the defender or get a lucky hit and get him to give away position while the rest of the team attacks soon after?

        doing it with a ppsh helped friends flush out the defender in this game

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >can somebody blindly shoot with the gun poking out of the across the door
          Yes.
          >to suppress the defender
          It might. Or it might not.
          >or get a lucky hit
          You might. Or you might not.
          >and get him to give away position
          He might give away his position. Or he might not.
          >while the rest of the team attacks soon after
          They can, but there is still a risk that all of them will die because of the above mentioned possibilities.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            After spamming grenades and flanking it’s one of the best strategies in that game
            Picking it then

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        my job is to kill the terrorist not save your funko pop collection. I'm shooting through the wall Al Capone style. Pic related, yes I am a Black person and I will continue to nog without consequences.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh limited penetration room clear
          >nah dog we blasting through that sheetrock
          You are blasting into a room with unknowns. Want about bystanders or hostages? What about objective reasonableness standards for the use of force?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The man said the nogging with continue, no brakes.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, considering he's talking about bogging, I don't think he has any concerns about reasonableness at all.

            Not giving a frick about collateral damage gives you a lot of freedom.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              NOGGING. Fricking autocorrect horseshit.
              Apropos of nothing, had a gay as in "married to a black man" vatnik in a group chat once suffer an unfortunate autocorrect.
              Suddenly he was unintentionally mentioning "shemales" out of context, which, uh, isn't a default entry in your phone's dictionary.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >painter from texas

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >how do you kill this guy without getting shot (you can't do anything to reduce your likelihood of getting shot btw)

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Easy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      burning the house is against the rules.

      the risk free solution:
      1. kick in door
      2. use mirror on a stick to scan the inside without going in (mirror technology exists!)
      3. see guy in the corner
      4. use (sand)Black person shooting style to take him out. you can shoot blindly in his direction or you can do it together with the mirror.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >use a mirror on a stick
        >only have rifles, no other equipment
        Sorry, OP ruled out any possibility besides just blundering in and losing at least one guy because he's a Black person

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >use mirror on a stick to scan the inside without going in (mirror technology exists!)
        Yeah, but you can only use a rifle in this case. You fail as well.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >use a mirror on a stick
          >only have rifles, no other equipment
          Sorry, OP ruled out any possibility besides just blundering in and losing at least one guy because he's a Black person

          any piece of reflective material can be used as a mirror you can polish the butt of your gun I win

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Any piece
            Visibility is terrible with gun and maybe it gets shot and breaks since you’re just keeping it still to look and he shoots
            >belt
            You’d have to stick your hand out and put your face near it

            Your solution sucks. Do a plan B that could have worked in Stalingrad where everyone is reduced to rags and

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >use a mirror on a stick
          >only have rifles, no other equipment
          Sorry, OP ruled out any possibility besides just blundering in and losing at least one guy because he's a Black person

          Simply ask if anyone is in the room before you enter, negating the need for a mirror

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        > 2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
        Your mirror solution is disallowed
        Tell us how to do it without one

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Your mirror solution is disallowed
          That is dumb. Mirrors are cheap and easy to procure. I understand limitations due to construction, liability, attrition of materials, etc., but disallowing mirrors is big gay.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            What part of
            > 2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
            Do you not get
            Mirror free solution please
            Your plan b

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >your plan B
              I burn down the building while covering the exits

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What if it’s the concrete Stalingrad grain elevator and fire is ineffective

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I burn tires and choke them to death with the smoke. Fire is ALWAYS the solution to every problem

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                killbotts running out of ammo was the irl solution

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Your plan b
              The Angleshot on my carbine. My hands probably get shot.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              they rub their rifles against the environment to wear off the paint and obtain a polished mirror finish. then they use the reflections on their rifles to scan the room.

              happy?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >use mirror on a stick

        have you EVER tried this?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but I have. It's legit.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >burning the house is against the rules.
        OK then, I'll just block the enemy's field of view by tactically placing goalposts.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother when he's stuck in a room with no way out? Just set up firing positions outside and wait if there's no need to hurry.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I throw my shoe into tge room while shouting "GRENADE!" and then I push when he flops on the floor

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You don't know there's only one in the room.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        So? Multiple people doesn't make a grenade any less deadly so it doesn't matter if there's 1 dude or 35 they're all gonna try to not die

        I win

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          sees a shoe fly in
          hears moron shout greenade
          sees moron walk in and check the wrong side
          puts a bullet in the moronic head
          nice win

          >use mirror on a stick

          have you EVER tried this?

          no why?
          you can refine it a little if you want by using 2 sticks taped to 2 sides of the mirror so you can rotate it in every angle.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok only rifles? Step one is cut the power by shooting the lights or the circut breaker.

    Id say tear gas can but you said gun only so deny the enemy the ability to see a single thing via shooting the lights.

    Bonus: send one guy into a unrelated room after cutting power and have him fire off blanks or just shoot into the ground or the stove....make it sound like yall raiding the kitchen when your actually about to use the covering fire as misirection.

    Or first guy throws gun in the room so when he pops off a couple rounds you know where he is in general.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love these detailed replies. An effort was made, but you didn't solve the problem.
      >Lights are off
      >Start shooting in other room
      >You're back at square 1 after that, that was a waste of time and ammo
      >Toss a gun in the room
      >Maybe he shoots at it, maybe he doesn't
      Absolutely useless.

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    depends
    >there are windows, openings of any kind
    use those. worst case scenario you'll distract the red fricker
    >there are no openings or doors, just the one ingress
    have someone take a mag and throw it, "FRAG OUT"

    if you have one way in or out, you are absolutely fricked by stacking up and entering. you need something, anything to go in before you. assuming the guy in red is trained well enough to not shoot the door the second it opens, you need to either flush him out or incapacitate him somehow. your guys are going to get shot, likely killed, by entering without clearing

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      addendum: shoot the door off its hinges or find some other method of removing it. this is why you should keep a spring nail set in your kit: fast, quiet and nondestructive entry to any door that you can access the hinge pins to. i don't think "security door hinges" are a very popular proposition in any context where an enemy could possibly be unexpected

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
    Sounds like a they problem.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    oopsie

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Real talk why aren't these implemented more? Everything you see about "CQB" is morons trying to sell you classes and explaining how you have to "slice the pie!!!" (Whatever that means) and people saying yeah it's bad every which way no matter what you do.

      This shit is from like what 2007 there's no way these things haven't improved at this point what's the excuse.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're kinda useless unless you already know where the enemy is, plus your foe can try to shoot you through the corner if he's determined enough

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >poke camera around corner
        >bad guy shoots you through the wall because rifle bullets give no fricks unlike most vidyagames

        R6:Siege may get a lot of things wrong, but one thing it captures very well is that 95% of a house is concealment, not cover.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          > 95% of a house is concealment, not cover.
          Only in America where houses are made of drywall and fiberglass lmao.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            And I'm sure it'll matter when you try to stab someone through a wall since only Americans can own firearms.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >what is afghanistan or iraq or pakistan or syria or yemen or ukraine or...
              Your nonsense quips were irrelevant to a generation or two of American fighters.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I feel like modern Yuro houses don't have internal bricking man... But even so, based on how Pulse went down, they'll still just blow open a hole with C4 or drive a Bearcat through, so either way, I feel like I need to have a house built that uses solid steel walling at this point, kek

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      it wouldnt work you fricking tard he just shoot the through the door

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no 100% safe way to clean any room.
    You do your nuts up tighter and just go in.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Open the door, get lucky that the guy misses, and then blindfire around the corner until he dies.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lady Luck is waiting for you around the corner and she is wearing a strap-on.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lady Luck is the truth of combat

        >inb4 lol just frag it

        You have no idea if the room is actually clear. There's lady luck again.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    just use a tiny drone to scope out a room or corner hallway, problem solved.

    Seriously, in the year 2023, every squad should have at LEAST one drone if not more.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      But it also is completely depending on the situation, how prepared is blue, why did blue get caller, is it a sweeping action, a standoff or a raid?

      It’s combat, there is no 100% guaranteed method.

      Also the set up is wrong, you set up on both sides of the door.
      If this is a rapid clearing like in an active shooter situation you will have some blue casualties tho.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kick the door open but don't enter right away, the door opening obstructs reds view of you entering the room as well. Red is likely to panic and fire through the door revealing their position or presence at a minimum.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plot armor, the good guys don't die

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prompt:
    > Nude, ((SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED OPEN FIRE)), ((AHHHH GET SOME AHHHHHH *firing)), ~~*Action scene*~~, bikini SWAT team, stack up breach and clear, 22-year-old Catherine Bell and Alexandra Daddario and Betty Gilpin in tactical bikinis, holding semi-auto shotguns, kicking in a door during a police raid, JAG, Cops, gun belt, holster, plate carrier, ((tactical helmets)), ((tactical cat ears)), rayban wayfarer sunglasses, hearing protection, ppe, flashbang, ((mp5 firing through wall)),~~* bullets blasting through door sending wooden splinter shrapnel flying)), dust, smoke, blood, dredd 2012 the matrix the wire, LOOK UPON ME I WILL SHOW YOU THE LIFE OF THE MIND AHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHH LOOK UPON ME

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    A grenade
    >abloo bloo bloo you don’t have gr-
    Frick you. I go shoot the armorer and then take all of his grenades. Red guy gets a grenade

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    thermobaric

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Open Doors till it covers one of the angles.
    >Do nothing for a whole minute
    >Quick peak the corner
    >Confirm that there's an enemy fighter in the corner
    >tell miller to Wall bang his ass
    >Repeat

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just be lucky and blindfire at him

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just run in really fast

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Flash the room, duh

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doors don't open away from the wall, so you could open the door and attempt to get an angle to the far side from outside while then having cleared everything else from outside as well. If only far corner is not cleared, quick peek or blindfire or wall bang, depending on wall material.

    I got over 200 hours in door Kickers 2 so I know a thing or two about cqb

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seconding this, other people in thread are moronic. Clear out as much of the room as possible from outside, then have the pointman focus on the part of the room that isn’t visible from outside. They’ll at least see each other at the same time, which is the best you can hope for.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like you're still new, the real answer is:

      >4 breaching charges
      >4 AT4s
      >alpha. go.

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    lock the door.

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't it Sacramento where barricaded suspect with a revolver gunned down the SWAT team one by one as they came through the door about 15 years ago?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unless I'm thinking about another similar situation, I believe it was only a few years ago. And it was four undercover cops. He didn't kill them, but he injured all of them via gunshots. They killed him though. Had he had an AR or AK or hell even a glock, there'd be four dead pigs.

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I may be the only guy here who's done CQB IRL. So a corner fed door like OPs picture, assuming that the door is open as he has shown, the 1 man is going to pie off the door as he crosses over. The reverse corner is actually able to bee seen through the crack between the door and the frame, so you are going to be able to partially see the red guy without him seeing you (either gun barrel or elbow). The one man is going to pop the door, either already knowing the enemy is there by visual confirmation or just knowing that the 10% of the room that he has not visually scanned. Action is faster than reaction, so a mag dump is likely to drop the red guy before he kills the 1 man, and likely before the 2 man is even through the door. But if so, the 1 man is already past the door frame and giving plate protection to the 2 man so the red guy is gonna die either way. Corner fed rooms with an opponent in the opposite corner is probably the most drilled CQB scenario there is. It's not as difficult as one might think. Yes the 1 man is always highly likely to take a round.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not contradicting you, because I'm a filthy never served. But this hypothetical room is unlike any room I've ever been in IRL in that there are no obstacles to the assaulters and nowhere for the red guy to hide himself.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also played SWAT 3

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      gj job moron you just got your entire team killed bc you assumed that the red guy had no other means to kill your team besides a rifle

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you only have rifles but red guy has a 100kT tactical noook, checkmate :^)
        how about you go frick yourself

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bro what if he had a suicide vest bro you just got your team killed bro my CoD clan would do a 3 point insertion through the windows and kitchen sink instead what if he had a nuclear warhead bro what if gwen from ben 10 was naked and spread eagled on a bed right behind the bad guy bro what if
        Shut the frick up moron

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        gj job moron, you just got everyone in this thread killed because you assumed no one ITT had the means to kill us besides walltext.

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doing CQB in the first place is a death sentence.

  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Room clearing
    Best done with a JDAM, seriously.
    I'm reminded of the time police attempted to serve a felony warrant on a guy in a multistory walk up apartment in Chicago?
    As they were stacking on the landing below, someone dropped a fricking refrigerator on them.

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    First guy dies, second guy blind fires around the corner hoping to hit the enemy. All the training bs goes away and people end up doing this instead kek.

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait until the red guy falls asleep.

  52. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    just strap a camera to your gun that relays a video feed to your helmet mounted visor.Now you can peek in a room without exposing your head.

    21st century ladies and gentlemen.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The joos already thought of it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok but what is that sight supposed to be doing?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The sight on the stock handgun crammed into an awkward fricking meme kludge?
          I guess it's there of you're shooting straight.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's no way that would keep a zero though

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well, since it's a pistol sight, mounted on a pistol slide, I think it would probably be OK but not great.
              Unless you're talking about the knobby looking shit with no discernable sight like features at the rear of the chassis.
              Idk WTF that shit is for.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking about the tumor, the handgun has it's own sights which at least make sense if you don't have it put in a weird plastic coffin

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know the purpose of the tumor, I don't think it's a sight though.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It has a crosshair, and looks like glass, but IDK.
                Maybe it's a periscope lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you talking about the aiming screen mounted to the side of the pistol chassis?
                It's displaying video from the front half of the chassis/gun/whatever.
                Of course it will stay zeroed.
                It's zeroed before the "bend".

  53. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Point man gets shot, maybe second man too. It's just the way it goes.

  54. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it's not a civilian occupied target, and they are clearing an enemy fortified position, then a grenade or two will get the job done.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it is a civilian occupied target, such as in a hostage situation, then standard procedure for CQB would seem ideal. That way, the area can be secured without harming the hostages.

  55. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get lucky. Room clearing is a meme and grenades exist for a reason.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, what... do you just throw a grenade or two and then just stroll on in wearing your Sunday casual? You still have to clear the room after throwing grenades, genius. Otherwise you could just fricking go around the building.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, what... do you just throw a grenade or two and then just stroll on in wearing your Sunday casual? You still have to clear the room after throwing grenades, genius. Otherwise you could just fricking go around the building.

      Yeah room clearing is not a "meme" it's how they train SWAT and special forces.

      The guy at the front would walk in checking the blind spot in the corner, the man behind him would visually scan the second half of the room, then it would be all clear.

      If they spot hostiles alive after the grenade, which is not likely, then they shoot it. If it's a hostage situation, they would use flash bangs or just clear the room as normal.

      Also, flash bangs are also a legal item that you can buy normally for like fifty bucks.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >shoot it
        I meant to say shoot him or her not "it" unless you are fighting demons in CQB lol

  56. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Room clearing without grenades
    You do what you normally do, but with casualties.

  57. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They don't know if anyone is inside
    >They only have rifles, no other equipment

  58. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What if everyone collectively sprayed their guns inside without revealing themselves?

  59. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing else in the room, so it is not worth taking.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Scholar

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      jej

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Amontillado?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Battle of Alesia

  60. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Small mirror on a stick, duh

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no other equipment

  61. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rabbit.

  62. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Grenades
    Blowing a mouse hole in a different part of the wall and clearing from there
    Blowing a hole in the ceiling and going down
    Firing blind through the walls
    No good solution

  63. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get a tank to shot through the door.

  64. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bring in equipment to clear the building.

  65. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    room by room clearing is for cops

    soldiers during a military operation ask their tank/ifv to blow a hole in the wall and they go in through that, if they don't just straight up level the building.

  66. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Exit the building
    2. Acquire explosives by using your rifles
    3. Blow up the room

  67. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I were them I'd take a deep breath. And hold it.

  68. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      299%

  69. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get a running start and slide into the center of the room with 2 pistols.
    So bold nobody could ever account for it.

  70. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are we even doing there. Going into a room blind in this situation is certain death for atleast the point man.
    >realize wtf we are going to do
    >leave

  71. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    .

  72. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Violence of action

  73. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1 opens the door, then shouts through the doorway "Anyone still in this room in ten seconds is a gay."
    Then Red gets lit up as he rushes out.
    Otherwise he's a gay, fiving the breaching element a moral victory.

  74. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      im at a loss to understand what the heck this diagram means, why did you even attempt this abortion of a drawing

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dear dead man, the door is hinged on the opposite side (the opposite of your art class project). This is the big issue OP wants to saddle us with. It's why his "no other equipment" rule is there. OP wants you to figure out how to clear a room with a fatal funnel that is not just door width, but door length as well, with nothing but four dudes and rifles.

      Be more observant.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unless we assume a gap in the door hinge that lets the defender see the attackers pushing in advance, does anything actually change with this geometry? Whoever pulled pointman duty this day will have to move past a hard corner threshold into the line of fire of a prepared and pre-aimed defender either way

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. The big difference is you have an extra ~3 feet of blindness to clear that is most definitely concealment, not cover.

          The defender knows immediately if the breaching team is entering the room. Wouldn't even need to see them considering room breaching is not exactly a quiet affair. If the blue guys are "good guys" it's assumed they'll actually try clear the room instead of just mag dump the walls or door blindly. Red guy can just mag dump the door the second he hears the team actually start moving in and at least get one or two guys if you just charge in. The only right move is to take the door out of the equation by taking it off and surveying as much as you can before you actually breach. If you do that it's better than a normal breach because you're going to know the only place where red can sit instead of going in blind. He might have even panic fired on the door coming down.

          Ideally though you use a snake cam through any gap on the door you can, spot the red guy, toss him a 9 banger or two, let that do it's thing, then run in and kill or apprehend the now thoroughly disorientated and discombobulated guy. The ease of that is why OP had to handicap us because otherwise that's what we'd all be saying we'd do.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dear dead man, the door is hinged on the opposite side (the opposite of your art class project). This is the big issue OP wants to saddle us with. It's why his "no other equipment" rule is there. OP wants you to figure out how to clear a room with a fatal funnel that is not just door width, but door length as well, with nothing but four dudes and rifles.

          Be more observant.

          im at a loss to understand what the heck this diagram means, why did you even attempt this abortion of a drawing

          newbies

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Based
            [...]
            newbie

            God forbid I don't spend all my time on PrepHole and end up missing the occasional repeat thread that comes once or twice a year if that. homosexuals.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, it's a meme that has been posted across this site for 15 years now. There are countless variations of it at this point.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If it's not instantly recognizable as what it is then it's either not a good meme or not a very good version of it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      im at a loss to understand what the heck this diagram means, why did you even attempt this abortion of a drawing

      Based

      Dear dead man, the door is hinged on the opposite side (the opposite of your art class project). This is the big issue OP wants to saddle us with. It's why his "no other equipment" rule is there. OP wants you to figure out how to clear a room with a fatal funnel that is not just door width, but door length as well, with nothing but four dudes and rifles.

      Be more observant.

      newbie

  75. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Having flashbangs, drones, or periscope-guns are pretty specialized equipment in comparison a
    >short, high burst of bearspray
    Once a Black person coughs you know and you can repeat easily without expending flashbangs in every single room or dumping ammo to light up every single room.

    Bearspray, 2' crowbar, and pack of short roadflares should be more common kit. Pretty terrifying extras, honestly. StyroPyro IR laser, too.

  76. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    tell jokes, you might get some giggles ::33

  77. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    its that easy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      better than going in if possible but blue guys still risk getting shot as soon as they are anywhere near that wall

  78. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    PrepHole > /k/

  79. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pointman throws rifle through doorway and continues past room
    >bad guy follows movement of flying rifle
    >rest of squad comes in to slice the pie
    >?????
    >profit

  80. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >equip my team with glocks chambered in a rifle round and rifle-length barrels
    >throw them into the room like ww2 stiehlgranates

  81. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Problem solved

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that easy. In a room, there isn't just empty space plus guy who wants to shoot you. There's often rubble, furniture, clutter, poor lighting. The entire reason why we have a team of guys go in there is that by going slow and simply pieing the corner is because it is much easier for the defender to hide among a visually cluttered environment, aim at the one place from which he knows an assault will come, and pull the trigger. When one guy goes on, he very well might be killed, and the rest of the team is going to be no better off. If the entire fireteam slams through the door, the first guy might still be killed but the rest of those guys are going to kill the defender.

      War isn't a FPS, and it's not about individuals. It's about working as a team and making the right decision for the entire team. It ultimately doesn't matter all that much if you individually get shot. If you got shot in the process of fulfilling a critical objective, then it was good for the team even if it came at the cost of your life. This is the part civilians have the hardest time with. There is no magical technique that will give the first guy through the door all that much of a better shot at survival. He's probably pretty fricked if there's a prepared hostile in that room. The point of this tactic isn't to give the first guy a 100% chance at survival. It's to get that fricking room cleared.

  82. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frankly, there's always going to be a risk of being shot when entering a room with an armed man. You can reduce this risk with flashbangs but since they've only got rifles the breaching team is probably going to loose someone.

    If they follow normal room clearing doctrine, #1 will rush for the far wall and draw fire while #2 goes right for Red Man. If Red Man shoots at #2 instead then #1 will be in a good flanking position while #3 and#4 use the doorframe for cover.

  83. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you do it the battle drill 6/doctrinally sound way:
    The one man is going to have a really high chance of getting shot. If he moves fast enough he just might be a difficult enough target, but he's probably getting shot. That's just how it is. 2 man is going to end up shooting the red guy. If they move fast enough, 2 man has relatively little chance of getting shot.

    If you do it the homosexual OTG chicken shit way developed for gays that can't accept the reality of above, the only person not getting shot is the red guy.

  84. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OP proposes a conundrum
    >People in the thread do everything to not engage the problem as proposed
    Were you the sort of people who went "Why would he buy 40 watermelons?" in math class too?

    Anyway, my shit proposal would be to try and hold the gun by its stock and wave it to see if there are any bad guys and if they jump the gun.
    hopefully worst case scenario is the red guy hits the guy waving the gun in the arm

    I was going to say put the helmet on to the end of the barrel or stock and wave that around in the room, but as specified they only have rifles, I assume no helmets or plate carriers.
    Another option would be to take off one shirt and try that but again, not a specified parameter.

  85. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    test

  86. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Here is my le epic based problemerino
    >Anything that would make sense is not allowed
    >Give me any answer I will jump to screeching about how you would die

  87. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    CornerShot

  88. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shoot through the wall.
    >They don't know if anyone is inside
    Systematically do this to every room.

  89. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is basically the origin of feng shuei.
    They talk about controlling chi and energy, but the truth is, they are setting you up to delete the stack.
    It's actually based.

  90. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
    so why the frick they entered the building in the first place? shit OP it's better to stay in the cold for some time than go into the house and die like morons because noone brought fricking grenades.

  91. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it is very uncommon for a door to open in that particular orientation.
    >the premise is implausible.

    first thing, a clearing team will typically carry things like:
    >body armor
    >flash bangs
    >tear gas
    >optical devices
    >reasonable suspicion

    so why they may not "know," by the assumption they need to clear the room, they assume there are 5 Black folk beating their dicks off to a picture of your mom and each of them has a wiener like a 2x4 and has eaten nothing but strait cocaine and steroids in last 24 hours.

  92. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    As the defender in this situation, would having on an auto darkening welding mask with doubled up electronic ear pro make you immune to flashbangs? I'm genuinely curious if there's a way to 100% counter their effect.

  93. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    two guys prefire the corners while walking through the door

  94. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    First guy gets shot or shot at, now we know. Blind fire into room. Maybe smoke it out and make him cry, disorient him and go in because its what you signed up for.

  95. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand why this is an issue. Op never specified without blue casualties either.

    Kick the door in, ideally totally off its hinges if you have a hulk on the team, and then...do nothing. Don't storm in, sit back and take stock of what you can see with your newly clear sightlines into the room. Next, as you are fully aware you don't have the correct equipment to clear the room, just assume there are an infinite number of well armed reds hiding the the places you can't see. Finally all charge in at once l blasting the blind spots. Two casualties at most. Red dead. In reality though red will panic and start blasting when you kick the door in, and as you're not following up with immediate entry, red just gave his position away and now you can be more deliberate when you jump in. Like literally jump in or slide along the floor blasting away

  96. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they don't know if anyone is inside
    Why are they clearing rooms them. Bullshit. They will, by default, assuming every room has someone hostile inside.

  97. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    With all of the autistic conditions that have been set throughout the thread, there is literally no way to resolve this situation without at least one member of the attacking force getting shot. There is no way to avoid the fact that the defender will have a better opportunity to react upon seeing the muzzle of the first entrant’s rifle. That’s why you don’t do CQB if you can avoid it.
    With all of that said, the attackers have a vague chance if they don’t have to worry about civilians casualties AND they can assume there’s a hostile in the space they can’t see from outside the doorway. Have a guy kneel, stick his gun around the corner pointed at the unknown space, and pull the trigger with his thumb until he runs out of ammo. Then, enter the room in whatever fashion you want to verify that it’s clear.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Remove the door. People have been locking doors in for as long as doors have been a thing. No equipment required. No entry required. Immediately 80% of the room becomes visible, so you know where your hostile isn't. Just start with the assumption there is someone in the room, and act accordingly..

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kicking doors in. Frick.

  98. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They'll use special tactics for any rooms that would put them at a disadvantage.

  99. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you are running dynamic already, mirror the corner and frag it if you see anyone. That being said, CQC is a sucker's game. Any sufficiently prepared enemy will BTFO an entry team. The shit only works on 80IQ thirdies. Level the structure and move on.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based, frick entry let an Air Force guy with radios level the place, or at least perforate it

  100. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Real answer is that the higher ups dont care how many dudes get shot going in, as long as they have a stream of them going into the door. Edgy answer, but the fact that it all boils down to 1:1 with enough breaches is enough for anyone to know that you don't get to have perfect clears everytime

  101. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >camp the exit
    >cover door in rotations
    >send one guy to 7/11 to get some snacks for the squad
    >wait till the domestic terrorist gets thirsty

  102. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JDAM

  103. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the terrorist is in a bullet proof box with no windows, furniture, lights and only one exit!
    >how do you get inside without taking casualties?!?
    >grenade
    >nuh uh no grenades
    >mirror on a stick
    >he still shoots as you enter... also no mirrors
    >fire
    >no fire
    >gas
    >no gas
    >disorientation devices
    >nuh uh not allowed!
    Black person just close the door and lock it. Fricker is in a jail cell anyways.

  104. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is this a complicated problem? Worst case scenario is you get shot in the hand or waste some ammo.

  105. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You starve them, why fight? Are you a dog bot? Guys are practically in jail.

  106. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You throw a grenade in there or overpen the walls

  107. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How heavy is the door? Is it like 2” oak or hollow core? Metal?

    Exterior doors are typically heavier than interior doors.

  108. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      saved

  109. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You simply don't clear buildings without any explosives.

    >Verification not required

  110. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don’t the military just get corner guns in their arsenal when they are doing room clearings

  111. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    in what world does a door swing in to the left?
    this is how you would hang a door if 90% of people were left-handed.
    frick you, OP.

  112. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  113. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >try to establish verbal communication, declare who you are before even touching opening the door
    >negotiate and try to get him to give himself up, either with assurances or discouragement that he can't make it out alive if he fires

  114. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If no communication
    >double stack
    >examine door
    >open the door
    >wait to see if red shoots at door
    >if red guy fires, shoot the hinges while not crossing the threshold
    (shoot towards ceiling for upper hinge and toward floor for lower to avoid collateral damage)
    >kick down door
    >dynamic entry

    >same for a no contact scenario, you have to address the obstacle and if all you have is a rifle, use it tear down the door and enter

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      scratch that:
      >>open the door
      >>wait to see if red shoots at door

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cool, nice. You've opened the door.
      Room's not clear though, dumb frick.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        what is 'dynamic entry' at the bottom

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, explain to us what that is, and how it means you avoid getting shot, lol.
          Don't worry, I'll wait.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The 'avoid getting shot' scenario is the diplomatic route describe above

            https://i.imgur.com/kaa0vdG.png

            >try to establish verbal communication, declare who you are before even touching opening the door
            >negotiate and try to get him to give himself up, either with assurances or discouragement that he can't make it out alive if he fires

            and it doesn't include room clearing / dynamic entry, which as you well know has no safety guarantees. #1 takes a bullet in almost all cases here, this is an impossible challenge. The only way to use a rifle and clearing the room without getting shot is from a distance or somehow sneak up from behind, which is impossibe. No windows, no other points of entry. Work verbally, get him to give up, and no one has to die. No tactics no footwork no jdams

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >this is an impossible challenge
              No, it isn't. It's okay if you don't know what to do.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm all ears. inb4 404

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            this

            https://i.imgur.com/Zn1unUs.jpg

            If no communication
            >double stack
            >examine door
            >open the door
            >wait to see if red shoots at door
            >if red guy fires, shoot the hinges while not crossing the threshold
            (shoot towards ceiling for upper hinge and toward floor for lower to avoid collateral damage)
            >kick down door
            >dynamic entry

            >same for a no contact scenario, you have to address the obstacle and if all you have is a rifle, use it tear down the door and enter

            was a solution to the door problem which increases the odds and makes the clearing easier. When the door is gone, #1 pies the room and peeks red guy's corner from waist or even floor level, not head level, because in all likelihood red'll be aiming high 180cm, and #1 takes the shot. That's all I can think of that can help blue's odds, but if they can talk it out, that's better. Crouching or lying down for a shot makes you extremely vulnerable, if red starts moving around that's no good.

            Door problem is solved, and potentially red's advantage on having the drop on #1 is solved.

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