How can this team clear this room without being shot by the red guy if;
1. They don't know if anyone is inside
2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
How can this team clear this room without being shot by the red guy if;. 1. They don't know if anyone is inside. 2.
All four magdump through the wall in an overlapping pattern.
Simple:
...and then:
>toss a couple of grenades through the door into the room so that they bounce off the wall next to the door and hopefully airburst in the center of the room
...and then...
>point man rushes to corner opposite opfor
>second man rushes corner containing opfor
>third man rushes corner opposite door
>fourth man covers rest of team from doorway, optionally providing external security by covering the door and the space outside beyond it
...and then...
>all four men converge on opfor like a pack of feral morons at a college girl's couch casting audition
...and then...
>opfor is kia'd or secured & detained; two men loot opfor while other two men provide security
They don't.
First two get shot here.
And the enemies kill each other in the crossfire, mission accomplished
I got that reference.
What color is the boathouse at Hereford?
>bullets go around corners
anyway, its a mathematically impossible task even if you do know where the guy is because a line of sight and fire always opens both ways at the same time
>two entering the door at the same time
For fucks sake do these cod kids have no shame?
Nobody on PrepHole knows CQB.
literally no one cares that you watched youtube videos on how to 'properly' do cqb like a fucking dweeb
This. There really is no proper way to do CQB. There are some basic fundamentals principles but other than that it's all incredibly circumstancial. Tactics and gear haven't saved all the spec ops guys who have been killed with iron sighted AKs. Fact of the matter is if you're holding a difficult corner/angle you will take the first few guys in the assaulting party to hell with you.
there is a proper way though, it's called a 2000lb paveway through the roof
yeah anon we all saw the meme and changed our opinion about CQB immediately.
Is it wrong though? Tell me, why on god's green earth would you try to meticulously sweep and clear a room in hostile territory when you have grenades
>Muh highspeed low drag pipedog operator shit
You won't have grenades
This is the goddamned US military son, I would be court martialed if I didn't have at least 3 grenades on my person at all times
can i see your paveway?
>Tells Marines not to act smart
>Can't even have the necessary reading comprehension to understand the OP
>walk into the room with a hostile force
>with no reason not to light the fucking thing up like Vegas
Okay then, magdump through the walls
Though this is going into semantics, OP wanted the room cleared. Not burned down. You're right that the correct answer is destroying the room and the person in it. But I'm trying to highlight to OP his problem has no solution under the specifications he requested. Even if you come up with the perfect way of going in that room, someone can still be shot.
If there are thousands of rooms and only 5% hav enemies, 5% have civilians, and 90% are empty; are you going to throw a grenade in every single room so you kill the civilians and let the enemy know where you are so they and set up an ambush just right? Do you even have that many grenades?
No moron. You're gonna sneak in until you bump into the enemy, shoot them, and then start throwing frags.
Yes, fuck those civvies for getting in my way. I eat RDX for breakfast and literally shit grenades so I'm not running out of explosives any time soon. Frankly if I could have it my way we'd carpet bomb the area with whatever was on sale that day but noo that violates europisser laws of war or some liberal nonsense
You cant always call in air support to shred everything (though in pic related they actually did towards the end).
Sometimes you'll need to clear an area from an unknown number of hostiles on your own turf.
I concur. If someone has the drop on you, you're fucked. Hopefully 3 or 4 could smoke him
The reality that some retard getting the drop on you could take you out no matter who you are isn’t ego affirming so most people who imagine themselves as tough guys never come to terms with the possibility.
>I’d just teleport away tho
>couldn’t be me
bro in this situation all you'd have to do is action roll into the room. So fast they won't be able to track or predict where you'll stop and then you just light'em up bro.
Yeah you throw grenades into the room or level the house instead of entering it.
This is correct.
Or mouseholing. E.g. blow a new, big hole in one wall.
I actually know quite a lot from my work.
Thoughts on the Taurus? Never seen one, before.
They are the shittiest weapons possible.
You don't want such a shitty gun.
To enjoy urban warfare on a weekday base.
My guns have an average age of 70 so it’ll fit right in
My condolences for you having to lug around this piece of shit submachine gun all day long.
Can you give me your gun?
Why are you Brazilian?
He smeared shit on the Cross in a past life, so God punished him by having him reincarnate as a Brazilian, just like me.
>furaffinity gear
yeah, figures
Do you work with a golden retriever? Mine had that same crimpy hair.
The GIF is almost right with what I've been taught, the guys entering like that is called buttonhooking, though we don't enter at the same time still. There should be a minimum of 4 people as well, with the 3rd man looking down the corridor still providing security and the 4th guy entering the room.
We're taught pic related is the preferred way of entering. It's 50 50 if you turn in the same corner as the enemy, its luck more than anything, hopefully your plate takes the hits
If that building contains any number of civilians or friendly forces, you cant just frag everything until you've confirmed where the enemy is.
>Just walk in and hope you survive the shots
You're an amateur.
Where did I say they just walk in, you enter the room quickly and with rifle ready, pointing at the corner you havent yet cleared, I said there's an element of luck and your plates are there if all else fails.
>If that building contains any number of civilians or friendly forces, you cant just frag everything until you've confirmed where the enemy is.
Watch me.
You don't own any frags retard
That doesn't work because it is too slow.
Without a concussive, flashbang, drone or whatever there will be risk to the men. MOUT is unforgiving. The four men all have coordinated angles of fire and it is important that the first three all enter the room quickly because it is hard to hit a moving target and the red stick figure will usually focus on the first or second person and not see the third or fourth that will be aiming at him as a primary arc. MOUT sucks for everyone involved.
Are you like a General or something?
anon, doors dont open outward like that
They do if you live in the first world
maybe in a commercial building, but residential homes open inward. go open your front door right now. your door swings out to the street? your bedroom door swings out into the hallway?
>go open your front door right now. your door swings out to the street?
Yes? Generally speaking, doorways where I live tend to be set in a small alcove to avoid smacking into people on the street
My front door opens outward and my bedroom door opens inward. I live in a trailer btw. Front door is so shitty i broke it down drunk one night just leaning on it.
>t.american
the op clearly shows the door opens inward and blocks the left view
1 man should cross a door and hold long
2 man crosses door and opens door
3 man enters first
have a nice day
You gave no time limit so it's simple, just wait outside until he makes himself known or starves to death.
use the fiber optic camera from splinter cell
Easy , call in an artillery strike
Play a fart track on loop with some really beastly braps until you hear giggling.
Only one you'll need
Goddamnit anon you're a genius. Why have we never tried to harness the universal power of the fart joke?
Open the door all the way retard.
in a not retarded scenario they would have flashbangs
in this scenario they dont so they get shot as soon as the door opens
good exercise OP
Lol fucking vidyea chud. IRL flashbangs don't work like in video games. They're supposed to be loud and concussive and disorientating, but they don't blind you and make you unable to see. And they're only good at catching people completely off guard like if it was a group of degenerates doing drugs on a couch or a nice white family eating dinner. If it was a guy who had his rifle aimed at the door he'd still be good to shoot anyone who walks through there.
t.muhreene infantry who worked with San Diego SWAT in training exercises
ok cool dude but its better than fucking nothing.
bro youre a marine dont try to act smart lmao
>marine infantry worked with SWAT
Yeah, and you can't solve the problem in OP.
There is no way to solve it without someone potentially getting killed. Especially since OP stated they only have rifles and no other equipment.
also i didnt say anything about how flashbangs work, just that they would have them. enjoy your crayons and crippling alcoholism, oorah gay
I don't drink and I got out after 4 years and moved on. Just mentioned it here because I have experience with flashbangs and cs/tear gas, you do not by your obvious vidyeah kiddie gay understanding of reality lol
>Bu... But muh flashbangzzz!!!!
Lol
>moved on
clearly not if youre on a mongolian washboard forum using it to try to bully an anon you know nothing about lmao you are pretty triggered by my simple mention of kit, fucking sensitive ass gay.
>Wahhhh wahhhh this Muhreene on PrepHole was bullying me WAHHHH wahhhh!!!!
Pathetic. I can't believe you unironically said you were being bullied. Single mother?
What about crash?
Swat blew up the black nationalist dude with a robot instead of trying to breach an actual fatal funnel. CQB/breaching is retarded unless it is 100% of what you do and even then every room is going to be a huge gamble.
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. CQB is retarded and only a last option type of deal. It's not an exact science. If you don't have hostages the building is being exploded or lit up. They might wait you out too.
Good old R2Dindu
That was griefing because he zigzagged 5 of them earlier. He was wounded and bleeding out by the end. They could have taken him alive, but were not in an arresting mood by thar point.
>throw flashbang
>dude inside blindly magdumps doorway
>best case scenario none of blue dies but they still don't have a good idea of where in the room red it
>alternatively red magdumps the door and also the entire length of wall killing or wounding several of blue
Share you wisdom with me, oh Muhreene Teh Wise:
How do they clear entire apartment buildings, like the ones we have in Eastern Europe?
I mean imagine a building with 4 staircases, each staircase has 10 floors, 6 apartments on every floor....
It would require a fuckload of soldiers or it would take ages to clear and be sure no opposing forces hide in it.
And you have to do it when you take a town, one could hide a regiment in one apartment block.
A wider angle strategy would be employed. No one would order room clearing on that scale, they'd just cA:lL iN An aIrStRIkE or rocket barrage orwhatever your supersolder kfags call it. Or gas it or some shit and seige them out after blowing the mechanical room or hitting water/elec.
It's like being in your car, you're not safe against firearms. Any slow-walking moron could just light up your whole family if you dare beep at them. You're trapped and in a narrow target envelope. It's not a safe place, there or in an apartment block. If there are that many soldiers in a single building the use of propelled munitions would be even more justified and even more efficient.
By turning around and leaving him alone.
Close the door and leave one/two guys watching over it from the distance and behind cover.
Then get some gasoline and burn it.
*ignore the part "close the door"
Simple, toss a frag in there
Burn the house down.
Use flash bangs.
Use flash bangs to burn the house down.
Look out boys, we have a couple of bonafide FBI agents among us.
Haha, FBI? Why would the FBI be here?
>no other equipment
I burn the house down and shoot him as he tries to flee
Lots of blind fire.
Shooting through the walls if possible.
ATF agent detected.
Quick peek and pre-fire.
Use drones if needed.
>This moron thinks it's Tarkov
explain why videogame tactics dont work in real life.
Well for starters that just means you're going to magdump into every corner or room?
Some videogame tactics do work in real life. The penalty for death in a video game is generally much less and lots of games let players tank several bullets without penalty which allows for some recon by receiving fire.
Overall teamwork strategies do tend to work in both vidya and irl because if you can defeat your enemy in detail and flank from multiple angles you will be more successful.
I like how gathering artifacts and exoskeletons in stalker lets you turn a rifle hit from almost always fatal to can take a minor barrage without being incapacitated
>never gave anything but joke answer
The lucky thing is being a scientist I don’t need to know since not my job
Why not a how to survive carjacking and keep your car thread
More useful
I was actually referring to Siege vatmoron.
>only rifles
You aren't going to be kicking doors in le heckin race war timmy so don't fret your little heart over doing muh high-speed low drag room clearing without any of the shit people who do that would have
Unironically this. It's much more likely that a police/military force composed of Jamal, Jose, and Cletus, led by Lieutenant Goldstein will be kicking in your door than the other way around. If anything learning how to take as many zogbots to hell with you is the best plan.
Yeah, 12 gauge aimed at doorway is my opening move.
There was, if I recall correctly, a case where a SWAT team lost a couple dudes because there was a retard holed up in the corner of the room they were breaching with a 12 guage.
He hit them in the shoulder area as they were entering, they lacked armor there and he made critical hits on hearts/lungs.
Now shoulder armor exists but I have no idea how prevalent it is.
Literally like three months ago some guy in a Biker Gang killed a SWAT officer by shooting him in the neck with a 12 gauge. He didn't know it was LE's raiding him. He got off of course because no knock raids are always a recipe for disaster. What I'm wondering about the situation is, how he survived the ensuing barrage from the SWAT team. You know for a FACT that those swat guys all magdumped in his general direction.
>gay JIDF shill pretending it isn't the feds themselves crowdsourcing their CQB training because their obese fag instructors are all Gen X diversity hires since the boomer boot lickers all retired over the last several years.
>the feds are outsourcing their CQB training to PrepHole!
have a nice day retard.
kek, instant response, go back to monitoring your BBC and sissy porn threads on /gif/ you fucking BATgay
If they know he's in there or even heavily suspect it, throw flash or CS, then enter quickly or with masks when he coughs (gives away presence/position). That's assuming they're a fully equipped, fully weapons free unit. Most likely they're going to have the first guy peek and get shot, the door is his only cover. One of them is going to see someone through the crack of the door, suspect has the edge. He's sitting quietly while a moving team makes some amount of noise. They can also rush in to get off the X and fill that room with guys quick, and that's the first corner the point man should check.
Easy. They use the first 2 guys as human shields as they check the 2 corners.
1 of the human shields eats the bullets and the guy behind him shoots back.
That is if the guy inside has better aim and reacts and shoots faster. If not he's dead and the human shields live.
In the gay night club rampage, the cops blew out the bathroom wall that the gunman was cornered in.
They also most likely shot several civilians and just added them to the shooter's killcount because he used the same caliber.
>open door
>scan as far as the northwest corner
>get 1 to poke the butt of his rifle around the door
>defender fires at movement
>2, 3, and 4 proceed to magdump through the wall in the general area of the corner of the room
>1, assuming his gun isn't hit, enters while the defender attempts to take cover
lmao this thread is fucking gold
everyone was an expert until this was posted
kek
No one is an expert on this topic. Lady luck rules with an iron fist.
Toss 6 flash bangs inside of the room, collect the red guy's ashes on an urn, perform burial at sea.
Mccgiver Riggs an IED out of the ammo and turns metal clothing bits into shrapnel
The IED incapacitates the room occupant and they finish him
>Don't know if anyone's inside
There won't be
Can't shoot through the wall. Try again.
What the fuck is this wall made of? AR500 steel?
>american doesn't understand the real world is made of cinderblock, brick or concrete
many such cases!
So then u play like it s red orchestra
556 goes easily through those hollowed out cinder blocks if the target is leaning against the wall, 7.62x39 and 308 NATO even more so. Even a solid cinder block gets shattered by 308 NATO.
Shoot the door off it's hinges and knock it down but don't immediately breach. Look in before breaching by slicing ye olde pie across doorway. You would immediately know the only place for a shooter to hide is where red guy is. Loudly inform the occupant that you know where he is in the room. Tell him if he wants to live his only option is to surrender. Try to goad them into giving a response if they give none for extra confirmation.
Eliminates the need to peel into the room allowing you to just pop your rifle in and cap the jackass if they ignore commands.
Both 5.56 and 7.62x39 sail through cinderblocks, especially at close range. A solid concrete wall will fail with enough shots in the same spot too. If you just keep shooting eventually you'll have a hole, and it's not going to take near as much as you'd think.
Throws lead amd grenades in the general direction of your voice
Rifle rounds eat bricks, cinder blocks.
Non meme answer but still video game: can somebody blindly shoot with the gun poking out of the across the door to suppress the defender or get a lucky hit and get him to give away position while the rest of the team attacks soon after?
doing it with a ppsh helped friends flush out the defender in this game
>can somebody blindly shoot with the gun poking out of the across the door
Yes.
>to suppress the defender
It might. Or it might not.
>or get a lucky hit
You might. Or you might not.
>and get him to give away position
He might give away his position. Or he might not.
>while the rest of the team attacks soon after
They can, but there is still a risk that all of them will die because of the above mentioned possibilities.
After spamming grenades and flanking it’s one of the best strategies in that game
Picking it then
my job is to kill the terrorist not save your funko pop collection. I'm shooting through the wall Al Capone style. Pic related, yes I am a moron and I will continue to nog without consequences.
>muh limited penetration room clear
>nah dog we blasting through that sheetrock
You are blasting into a room with unknowns. Want about bystanders or hostages? What about objective reasonableness standards for the use of force?
The man said the nogging with continue, no brakes.
Well, considering he's talking about bogging, I don't think he has any concerns about reasonableness at all.
Not giving a fuck about collateral damage gives you a lot of freedom.
NOGGING. Fucking autocorrect horseshit.
Apropos of nothing, had a gay as in "married to a black man" vatnik in a group chat once suffer an unfortunate autocorrect.
Suddenly he was unintentionally mentioning "shemales" out of context, which, uh, isn't a default entry in your phone's dictionary.
>painter from texas
>how do you kill this guy without getting shot (you can't do anything to reduce your likelihood of getting shot btw)
Easy
burning the house is against the rules.
the risk free solution:
1. kick in door
2. use mirror on a stick to scan the inside without going in (mirror technology exists!)
3. see guy in the corner
4. use (sand)moron shooting style to take him out. you can shoot blindly in his direction or you can do it together with the mirror.
>use a mirror on a stick
>only have rifles, no other equipment
Sorry, OP ruled out any possibility besides just blundering in and losing at least one guy because he's a moron
>use mirror on a stick to scan the inside without going in (mirror technology exists!)
Yeah, but you can only use a rifle in this case. You fail as well.
any piece of reflective material can be used as a mirror you can polish the butt of your gun I win
Any piece
Visibility is terrible with gun and maybe it gets shot and breaks since you’re just keeping it still to look and he shoots
>belt
You’d have to stick your hand out and put your face near it
Your solution sucks. Do a plan B that could have worked in Stalingrad where everyone is reduced to rags and
Simply ask if anyone is in the room before you enter, negating the need for a mirror
> 2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
Your mirror solution is disallowed
Tell us how to do it without one
>Your mirror solution is disallowed
That is dumb. Mirrors are cheap and easy to procure. I understand limitations due to construction, liability, attrition of materials, etc., but disallowing mirrors is big gay.
What part of
> 2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
Do you not get
Mirror free solution please
Your plan b
>your plan B
I burn down the building while covering the exits
What if it’s the concrete Stalingrad grain elevator and fire is ineffective
I burn tires and choke them to death with the smoke. Fire is ALWAYS the solution to every problem
killbotts running out of ammo was the irl solution
>Your plan b
The Angleshot on my carbine. My hands probably get shot.
they rub their rifles against the environment to wear off the paint and obtain a polished mirror finish. then they use the reflections on their rifles to scan the room.
happy?
>use mirror on a stick
have you EVER tried this?
Not him, but I have. It's legit.
>burning the house is against the rules.
OK then, I'll just block the enemy's field of view by tactically placing goalposts.
Why bother when he's stuck in a room with no way out? Just set up firing positions outside and wait if there's no need to hurry.
I throw my shoe into tge room while shouting "GRENADE!" and then I push when he flops on the floor
You don't know there's only one in the room.
So? Multiple people doesn't make a grenade any less deadly so it doesn't matter if there's 1 dude or 35 they're all gonna try to not die
I win
sees a shoe fly in
hears retard shout greenade
sees retard walk in and check the wrong side
puts a bullet in the retarded head
nice win
no why?
you can refine it a little if you want by using 2 sticks taped to 2 sides of the mirror so you can rotate it in every angle.
Ok only rifles? Step one is cut the power by shooting the lights or the circut breaker.
Id say tear gas can but you said gun only so deny the enemy the ability to see a single thing via shooting the lights.
Bonus: send one guy into a unrelated room after cutting power and have him fire off blanks or just shoot into the ground or the stove....make it sound like yall raiding the kitchen when your actually about to use the covering fire as misirection.
Or first guy throws gun in the room so when he pops off a couple rounds you know where he is in general.
I love these detailed replies. An effort was made, but you didn't solve the problem.
>Lights are off
>Start shooting in other room
>You're back at square 1 after that, that was a waste of time and ammo
>Toss a gun in the room
>Maybe he shoots at it, maybe he doesn't
Absolutely useless.
depends
>there are windows, openings of any kind
use those. worst case scenario you'll distract the red fucker
>there are no openings or doors, just the one ingress
have someone take a mag and throw it, "FRAG OUT"
if you have one way in or out, you are absolutely fucked by stacking up and entering. you need something, anything to go in before you. assuming the guy in red is trained well enough to not shoot the door the second it opens, you need to either flush him out or incapacitate him somehow. your guys are going to get shot, likely killed, by entering without clearing
addendum: shoot the door off its hinges or find some other method of removing it. this is why you should keep a spring nail set in your kit: fast, quiet and nondestructive entry to any door that you can access the hinge pins to. i don't think "security door hinges" are a very popular proposition in any context where an enemy could possibly be unexpected
>2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
Sounds like a they problem.
oopsie
Real talk why aren't these implemented more? Everything you see about "CQB" is retards trying to sell you classes and explaining how you have to "slice the pie!!!" (Whatever that means) and people saying yeah it's bad every which way no matter what you do.
This shit is from like what 2007 there's no way these things haven't improved at this point what's the excuse.
They're kinda useless unless you already know where the enemy is, plus your foe can try to shoot you through the corner if he's determined enough
>poke camera around corner
>bad guy shoots you through the wall because rifle bullets give no fucks unlike most vidyagames
R6:Siege may get a lot of things wrong, but one thing it captures very well is that 95% of a house is concealment, not cover.
> 95% of a house is concealment, not cover.
Only in America where houses are made of drywall and fiberglass lmao.
And I'm sure it'll matter when you try to stab someone through a wall since only Americans can own firearms.
>what is afghanistan or iraq or pakistan or syria or yemen or ukraine or...
Your nonsense quips were irrelevant to a generation or two of American fighters.
I feel like modern Yuro houses don't have internal bricking man... But even so, based on how Pulse went down, they'll still just blow open a hole with C4 or drive a Bearcat through, so either way, I feel like I need to have a house built that uses solid steel walling at this point, kek
it wouldnt work you fucking tard he just shoot the through the door
There is no 100% safe way to clean any room.
You do your nuts up tighter and just go in.
Open the door, get lucky that the guy misses, and then blindfire around the corner until he dies.
Lady Luck is waiting for you around the corner and she is wearing a strap-on.
Lady Luck is the truth of combat
>inb4 lol just frag it
You have no idea if the room is actually clear. There's lady luck again.
just use a tiny drone to scope out a room or corner hallway, problem solved.
Seriously, in the year 2023, every squad should have at LEAST one drone if not more.
This.
But it also is completely depending on the situation, how prepared is blue, why did blue get caller, is it a sweeping action, a standoff or a raid?
It’s combat, there is no 100% guaranteed method.
Also the set up is wrong, you set up on both sides of the door.
If this is a rapid clearing like in an active shooter situation you will have some blue casualties tho.
Kick the door open but don't enter right away, the door opening obstructs reds view of you entering the room as well. Red is likely to panic and fire through the door revealing their position or presence at a minimum.
Plot armor, the good guys don't die
Prompt:
> Nude, ((SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED OPEN FIRE)), ((AHHHH GET SOME AHHHHHH *firing)), ~~*Action scene*~~, bikini SWAT team, stack up breach and clear, 22-year-old Catherine Bell and Alexandra Daddario and Betty Gilpin in tactical bikinis, holding semi-auto shotguns, kicking in a door during a police raid, JAG, Cops, gun belt, holster, plate carrier, ((tactical helmets)), ((tactical cat ears)), rayban wayfarer sunglasses, hearing protection, ppe, flashbang, ((mp5 firing through wall)),~~* bullets blasting through door sending wooden splinter shrapnel flying)), dust, smoke, blood, dredd 2012 the matrix the wire, LOOK UPON ME I WILL SHOW YOU THE LIFE OF THE MIND AHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHH LOOK UPON ME
A grenade
>abloo bloo bloo you don’t have gr-
Fuck you. I go shoot the armorer and then take all of his grenades. Red guy gets a grenade
thermobaric
>Open Doors till it covers one of the angles.
>Do nothing for a whole minute
>Quick peak the corner
>Confirm that there's an enemy fighter in the corner
>tell miller to Wall bang his ass
>Repeat
Just be lucky and blindfire at him
Just run in really fast
Flash the room, duh
Doors don't open away from the wall, so you could open the door and attempt to get an angle to the far side from outside while then having cleared everything else from outside as well. If only far corner is not cleared, quick peek or blindfire or wall bang, depending on wall material.
I got over 200 hours in door Kickers 2 so I know a thing or two about cqb
Seconding this, other people in thread are retarded. Clear out as much of the room as possible from outside, then have the pointman focus on the part of the room that isn’t visible from outside. They’ll at least see each other at the same time, which is the best you can hope for.
Sounds like you're still new, the real answer is:
>4 breaching charges
>4 AT4s
>alpha. go.
lock the door.
Wasn't it Sacramento where barricaded suspect with a revolver gunned down the SWAT team one by one as they came through the door about 15 years ago?
Unless I'm thinking about another similar situation, I believe it was only a few years ago. And it was four undercover cops. He didn't kill them, but he injured all of them via gunshots. They killed him though. Had he had an AR or AK or hell even a glock, there'd be four dead pigs.
I may be the only guy here who's done CQB IRL. So a corner fed door like OPs picture, assuming that the door is open as he has shown, the 1 man is going to pie off the door as he crosses over. The reverse corner is actually able to bee seen through the crack between the door and the frame, so you are going to be able to partially see the red guy without him seeing you (either gun barrel or elbow). The one man is going to pop the door, either already knowing the enemy is there by visual confirmation or just knowing that the 10% of the room that he has not visually scanned. Action is faster than reaction, so a mag dump is likely to drop the red guy before he kills the 1 man, and likely before the 2 man is even through the door. But if so, the 1 man is already past the door frame and giving plate protection to the 2 man so the red guy is gonna die either way. Corner fed rooms with an opponent in the opposite corner is probably the most drilled CQB scenario there is. It's not as difficult as one might think. Yes the 1 man is always highly likely to take a round.
I'm not contradicting you, because I'm a filthy never served. But this hypothetical room is unlike any room I've ever been in IRL in that there are no obstacles to the assaulters and nowhere for the red guy to hide himself.
I also played SWAT 3
gj job retard you just got your entire team killed bc you assumed that the red guy had no other means to kill your team besides a rifle
>you only have rifles but red guy has a 100kT tactical noook, checkmate :^)
how about you go fuck yourself
>bro what if he had a suicide vest bro you just got your team killed bro my CoD clan would do a 3 point insertion through the windows and kitchen sink instead what if he had a nuclear warhead bro what if gwen from ben 10 was naked and spread eagled on a bed right behind the bad guy bro what if
Shut the fuck up retard
gj job retard, you just got everyone in this thread killed because you assumed no one ITT had the means to kill us besides walltext.
Doing CQB in the first place is a death sentence.
>Room clearing
Best done with a JDAM, seriously.
I'm reminded of the time police attempted to serve a felony warrant on a guy in a multistory walk up apartment in Chicago?
As they were stacking on the landing below, someone dropped a fucking refrigerator on them.
First guy dies, second guy blind fires around the corner hoping to hit the enemy. All the training bs goes away and people end up doing this instead kek.
Wait until the red guy falls asleep.
just strap a camera to your gun that relays a video feed to your helmet mounted visor.Now you can peek in a room without exposing your head.
21st century ladies and gentlemen.
The joos already thought of it.
ok but what is that sight supposed to be doing?
The sight on the stock handgun crammed into an awkward fucking meme kludge?
I guess it's there of you're shooting straight.
There's no way that would keep a zero though
Well, since it's a pistol sight, mounted on a pistol slide, I think it would probably be OK but not great.
Unless you're talking about the knobby looking shit with no discernable sight like features at the rear of the chassis.
Idk WTF that shit is for.
I'm talking about the tumor, the handgun has it's own sights which at least make sense if you don't have it put in a weird plastic coffin
I don't know the purpose of the tumor, I don't think it's a sight though.
It has a crosshair, and looks like glass, but IDK.
Maybe it's a periscope lol
Are you talking about the aiming screen mounted to the side of the pistol chassis?
It's displaying video from the front half of the chassis/gun/whatever.
Of course it will stay zeroed.
It's zeroed before the "bend".
Point man gets shot, maybe second man too. It's just the way it goes.
If it's not a civilian occupied target, and they are clearing an enemy fortified position, then a grenade or two will get the job done.
If it is a civilian occupied target, such as in a hostage situation, then standard procedure for CQB would seem ideal. That way, the area can be secured without harming the hostages.
Get lucky. Room clearing is a meme and grenades exist for a reason.
So, what... do you just throw a grenade or two and then just stroll on in wearing your Sunday casual? You still have to clear the room after throwing grenades, genius. Otherwise you could just fucking go around the building.
Yeah room clearing is not a "meme" it's how they train SWAT and special forces.
The guy at the front would walk in checking the blind spot in the corner, the man behind him would visually scan the second half of the room, then it would be all clear.
If they spot hostiles alive after the grenade, which is not likely, then they shoot it. If it's a hostage situation, they would use flash bangs or just clear the room as normal.
Also, flash bangs are also a legal item that you can buy normally for like fifty bucks.
>shoot it
I meant to say shoot him or her not "it" unless you are fighting demons in CQB lol
>Room clearing without grenades
You do what you normally do, but with casualties.
>They don't know if anyone is inside
>They only have rifles, no other equipment
What if everyone collectively sprayed their guns inside without revealing themselves?
There is nothing else in the room, so it is not worth taking.
Scholar
jej
Amontillado?
Nice.
>Battle of Alesia
Small mirror on a stick, duh
>no other equipment
Rabbit.
Grenades
Blowing a mouse hole in a different part of the wall and clearing from there
Blowing a hole in the ceiling and going down
Firing blind through the walls
No good solution
Get a tank to shot through the door.
Bring in equipment to clear the building.
room by room clearing is for cops
soldiers during a military operation ask their tank/ifv to blow a hole in the wall and they go in through that, if they don't just straight up level the building.
1. Exit the building
2. Acquire explosives by using your rifles
3. Blow up the room
If I were them I'd take a deep breath. And hold it.
They don't.
299%
Get a running start and slide into the center of the room with 2 pistols.
So bold nobody could ever account for it.
What are we even doing there. Going into a room blind in this situation is certain death for atleast the point man.
>realize wtf we are going to do
>leave
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Violence of action
1 opens the door, then shouts through the doorway "Anyone still in this room in ten seconds is a fag."
Then Red gets lit up as he rushes out.
Otherwise he's a fag, fiving the breaching element a moral victory.
im at a loss to understand what the heck this diagram means, why did you even attempt this abortion of a drawing
Dear dead man, the door is hinged on the opposite side (the opposite of your art class project). This is the big issue OP wants to saddle us with. It's why his "no other equipment" rule is there. OP wants you to figure out how to clear a room with a fatal funnel that is not just door width, but door length as well, with nothing but four dudes and rifles.
Be more observant.
Unless we assume a gap in the door hinge that lets the defender see the attackers pushing in advance, does anything actually change with this geometry? Whoever pulled pointman duty this day will have to move past a hard corner threshold into the line of fire of a prepared and pre-aimed defender either way
Yes. The big difference is you have an extra ~3 feet of blindness to clear that is most definitely concealment, not cover.
The defender knows immediately if the breaching team is entering the room. Wouldn't even need to see them considering room breaching is not exactly a quiet affair. If the blue guys are "good guys" it's assumed they'll actually try clear the room instead of just mag dump the walls or door blindly. Red guy can just mag dump the door the second he hears the team actually start moving in and at least get one or two guys if you just charge in. The only right move is to take the door out of the equation by taking it off and surveying as much as you can before you actually breach. If you do that it's better than a normal breach because you're going to know the only place where red can sit instead of going in blind. He might have even panic fired on the door coming down.
Ideally though you use a snake cam through any gap on the door you can, spot the red guy, toss him a 9 banger or two, let that do it's thing, then run in and kill or apprehend the now thoroughly disorientated and discombobulated guy. The ease of that is why OP had to handicap us because otherwise that's what we'd all be saying we'd do.
Newfags
God forbid I don't spend all my time on PrepHole and end up missing the occasional repeat thread that comes once or twice a year if that. gays.
Anon, it's a meme that has been posted across this site for 15 years now. There are countless variations of it at this point.
If it's not instantly recognizable as what it is then it's either not a good meme or not a very good version of it.
Based
Newfag
Having flashbangs, drones, or periscope-guns are pretty specialized equipment in comparison a
>short, high burst of bearspray
Once a moron coughs you know and you can repeat easily without expending flashbangs in every single room or dumping ammo to light up every single room.
Bearspray, 2' crowbar, and pack of short roadflares should be more common kit. Pretty terrifying extras, honestly. StyroPyro IR laser, too.
tell jokes, you might get some giggles ::33
its that easy
better than going in if possible but blue guys still risk getting shot as soon as they are anywhere near that wall
/v/ > PrepHole
>pointman throws rifle through doorway and continues past room
>bad guy follows movement of flying rifle
>rest of squad comes in to slice the pie
>?????
>profit
>equip my team with glocks chambered in a rifle round and rifle-length barrels
>throw them into the room like ww2 stiehlgranates
Problem solved
It's not that easy. In a room, there isn't just empty space plus guy who wants to shoot you. There's often rubble, furniture, clutter, poor lighting. The entire reason why we have a team of guys go in there is that by going slow and simply pieing the corner is because it is much easier for the defender to hide among a visually cluttered environment, aim at the one place from which he knows an assault will come, and pull the trigger. When one guy goes on, he very well might be killed, and the rest of the team is going to be no better off. If the entire fireteam slams through the door, the first guy might still be killed but the rest of those guys are going to kill the defender.
War isn't a FPS, and it's not about individuals. It's about working as a team and making the right decision for the entire team. It ultimately doesn't matter all that much if you individually get shot. If you got shot in the process of fulfilling a critical objective, then it was good for the team even if it came at the cost of your life. This is the part civilians have the hardest time with. There is no magical technique that will give the first guy through the door all that much of a better shot at survival. He's probably pretty fucked if there's a prepared hostile in that room. The point of this tactic isn't to give the first guy a 100% chance at survival. It's to get that fucking room cleared.
Frankly, there's always going to be a risk of being shot when entering a room with an armed man. You can reduce this risk with flashbangs but since they've only got rifles the breaching team is probably going to loose someone.
If they follow normal room clearing doctrine, #1 will rush for the far wall and draw fire while #2 goes right for Red Man. If Red Man shoots at #2 instead then #1 will be in a good flanking position while #3 and#4 use the doorframe for cover.
If you do it the battle drill 6/doctrinally sound way:
The one man is going to have a really high chance of getting shot. If he moves fast enough he just might be a difficult enough target, but he's probably getting shot. That's just how it is. 2 man is going to end up shooting the red guy. If they move fast enough, 2 man has relatively little chance of getting shot.
If you do it the faggy OTG chicken shit way developed for fags that can't accept the reality of above, the only person not getting shot is the red guy.
>OP proposes a conundrum
>People in the thread do everything to not engage the problem as proposed
Were you the sort of people who went "Why would he buy 40 watermelons?" in math class too?
Anyway, my shit proposal would be to try and hold the gun by its stock and wave it to see if there are any bad guys and if they jump the gun.
hopefully worst case scenario is the red guy hits the guy waving the gun in the arm
I was going to say put the helmet on to the end of the barrel or stock and wave that around in the room, but as specified they only have rifles, I assume no helmets or plate carriers.
Another option would be to take off one shirt and try that but again, not a specified parameter.
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>Here is my le epic based problemerino
>Anything that would make sense is not allowed
>Give me any answer I will jump to screeching about how you would die
CornerShot
Shoot through the wall.
>They don't know if anyone is inside
Systematically do this to every room.
This is basically the origin of feng shuei.
They talk about controlling chi and energy, but the truth is, they are setting you up to delete the stack.
It's actually based.
>2. They only have rifles, no other equipment
so why the fuck they entered the building in the first place? shit OP it's better to stay in the cold for some time than go into the house and die like retards because noone brought fucking grenades.
>it is very uncommon for a door to open in that particular orientation.
>the premise is implausible.
first thing, a clearing team will typically carry things like:
>body armor
>flash bangs
>tear gas
>optical devices
>reasonable suHispanicion
so why they may not "know," by the assumption they need to clear the room, they assume there are 5 morons beating their dicks off to a picture of your mom and each of them has a cock like a 2x4 and has eaten nothing but strait cocaine and steroids in last 24 hours.
As the defender in this situation, would having on an auto darkening welding mask with doubled up electronic ear pro make you immune to flashbangs? I'm genuinely curious if there's a way to 100% counter their effect.
two guys prefire the corners while walking through the door
First guy gets shot or shot at, now we know. Blind fire into room. Maybe smoke it out and make him cry, disorient him and go in because its what you signed up for.
I don't understand why this is an issue. Op never specified without blue casualties either.
Kick the door in, ideally totally off its hinges if you have a hulk on the team, and then...do nothing. Don't storm in, sit back and take stock of what you can see with your newly clear sightlines into the room. Next, as you are fully aware you don't have the correct equipment to clear the room, just assume there are an infinite number of well armed reds hiding the the places you can't see. Finally all charge in at once l blasting the blind spots. Two casualties at most. Red dead. In reality though red will panic and start blasting when you kick the door in, and as you're not following up with immediate entry, red just gave his position away and now you can be more deliberate when you jump in. Like literally jump in or slide along the floor blasting away
>they don't know if anyone is inside
Why are they clearing rooms them. Bullshit. They will, by default, assuming every room has someone hostile inside.
With all of the autistic conditions that have been set throughout the thread, there is literally no way to resolve this situation without at least one member of the attacking force getting shot. There is no way to avoid the fact that the defender will have a better opportunity to react upon seeing the muzzle of the first entrant’s rifle. That’s why you don’t do CQB if you can avoid it.
With all of that said, the attackers have a vague chance if they don’t have to worry about civilians casualties AND they can assume there’s a hostile in the space they can’t see from outside the doorway. Have a guy kneel, stick his gun around the corner pointed at the unknown space, and pull the trigger with his thumb until he runs out of ammo. Then, enter the room in whatever fashion you want to verify that it’s clear.
Remove the door. People have been locking doors in for as long as doors have been a thing. No equipment required. No entry required. Immediately 80% of the room becomes visible, so you know where your hostile isn't. Just start with the assumption there is someone in the room, and act accordingly..
Kicking doors in. Fuck.
They'll use special tactics for any rooms that would put them at a disadvantage.
If you are running dynamic already, mirror the corner and frag it if you see anyone. That being said, CQC is a sucker's game. Any sufficiently prepared enemy will BTFO an entry team. The shit only works on 80IQ thirdies. Level the structure and move on.
Based, fuck entry let an Air Force guy with radios level the place, or at least perforate it
Real answer is that the higher ups dont care how many dudes get shot going in, as long as they have a stream of them going into the door. Edgy answer, but the fact that it all boils down to 1:1 with enough breaches is enough for anyone to know that you don't get to have perfect clears everytime
>camp the exit
>cover door in rotations
>send one guy to 7/11 to get some snacks for the squad
>wait till the domestic terrorist gets thirsty
JDAM
>the terrorist is in a bullet proof box with no windows, furniture, lights and only one exit!
>how do you get inside without taking casualties?!?
>grenade
>nuh uh no grenades
>mirror on a stick
>he still shoots as you enter... also no mirrors
>fire
>no fire
>gas
>no gas
>disorientation devices
>nuh uh not allowed!
moron just close the door and lock it. Fucker is in a jail cell anyways.
How is this a complicated problem? Worst case scenario is you get shot in the hand or waste some ammo.
You starve them, why fight? Are you a dog bot? Guys are practically in jail.
You throw a grenade in there or overpen the walls
How heavy is the door? Is it like 2” oak or hollow core? Metal?
Exterior doors are typically heavier than interior doors.
saved
You simply don't clear buildings without any explosives.
>Verification not required
Why don’t the military just get corner guns in their arsenal when they are doing room clearings
in what world does a door swing in to the left?
this is how you would hang a door if 90% of people were left-handed.
fuck you, OP.
>try to establish verbal communication, declare who you are before even touching opening the door
>negotiate and try to get him to give himself up, either with assurances or discouragement that he can't make it out alive if he fires
If no communication
>double stack
>examine door
>open the door
>wait to see if red shoots at door
>if red guy fires, shoot the hinges while not crossing the threshold
(shoot towards ceiling for upper hinge and toward floor for lower to avoid collateral damage)
>kick down door
>dynamic entry
>same for a no contact scenario, you have to address the obstacle and if all you have is a rifle, use it tear down the door and enter
scratch that:
>>open the door
>>wait to see if red shoots at door
Cool, nice. You've opened the door.
Room's not clear though, dumb fuck.
what is 'dynamic entry' at the bottom
Yeah, explain to us what that is, and how it means you avoid getting shot, lol.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
The 'avoid getting shot' scenario is the diplomatic route describe above
and it doesn't include room clearing / dynamic entry, which as you well know has no safety guarantees. #1 takes a bullet in almost all cases here, this is an impossible challenge. The only way to use a rifle and clearing the room without getting shot is from a distance or somehow sneak up from behind, which is impossibe. No windows, no other points of entry. Work verbally, get him to give up, and no one has to die. No tactics no footwork no jdams
>this is an impossible challenge
No, it isn't. It's okay if you don't know what to do.
I'm all ears. inb4 404
this
was a solution to the door problem which increases the odds and makes the clearing easier. When the door is gone, #1 pies the room and peeks red guy's corner from waist or even floor level, not head level, because in all likelihood red'll be aiming high 180cm, and #1 takes the shot. That's all I can think of that can help blue's odds, but if they can talk it out, that's better. Crouching or lying down for a shot makes you extremely vulnerable, if red starts moving around that's no good.
Door problem is solved, and potentially red's advantage on having the drop on #1 is solved.