How big of a game changer is a howitzer?

How big of a game changer is a howitzer?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fire off 3 rounds within 10 seconds
    >Before the shells even land they're already gone

    Not as big of a game changer as the HIMARs but it'll save lives and likely lead to more deaths on the Russian side then conventional artillery's.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s the difference between rocket artillery and shell artillery? I’m assuming rockets are more precise and meant for more surgical whereas shells are meant to cause more general damage?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        range. Payload.
        Rocket artillery can go further, and carry bigger playloads.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At the most fundamental level, with tube artillery you have to haul around a big gun which limits mobility but ammunition is lighter any you can carry more of it more easily.

        At a practical level, it's easier to give rockets larger payloads and longer ranges while it's easier to give guns better rates of fire. Both can be made accurate with modern tech.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        howitzers are a big deal in Ukraine, as is the ability to use them without worrying about barrel wear or supplying them with ammunition. Regarding your image, most of those PzH 2000s won't be ready for multiple years, Ukraine is buying them for the future (which is a bit of a headscratcher). They'd really be better served with something more affordable, or at least something that can all of the bridges in the country, something this 60 ton monstrosity can't do

        rocket artillery is a good way of having a large amount of ordnance arriving in a short period without having a bunch of guns. It often also has longer range with more boom. More precise - that just depends. You have guided and unguided munitions for both tube and rocket artillery, and launchers like the Grad are famously inaccurate

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        Suddenly, artillery is a game changer when in Ukrainian hands. Why aren't you patting Russia on the back for doing the same thing?

        it's a game changer for Russia too. With their deficiency wrt to dismounts they wouldn't have made even limited progress after they pivoted away from the north and focused on the Donbas. Nobody calls it a "game changer" for Russia because they started with a lot and still have a lot. With Ukraine it is discussed because of the flow of western weapons into their hands - the impact or lack thereof is just more notable

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It only weighs this much with the roof armor protection kit. Without it it weighs 49 tons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Regarding your image, most of those PzH 2000s won't be ready for multiple years, Ukraine is buying them for the future (which is a bit of a headscratcher).
          Other countries can send them their old stock and get brand new ones from Rheinmetall for free. It's a good deal for everybody involved.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine is buying
          They ain't buying shit, Germany is buying from themselves and then gifting those to Ukraine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >most of those PzH 2000s won't be ready for multiple years, Ukraine is buying them for the future (which is a bit of a headscratcher)
          my guess is they expect a lull in fighting before it sparks up again like Crimea and the Donbas, the lines will probably stabilize pretty much where they are for a while with Russia licking it's wounds and waiting to rearm

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For unguided shells/rockets it's the other way around. Tube artillery is relatively accurate and rocket artillery is an area barrage weapon. With guided shells/rockets the accuracy is similar between the two.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What no one here mentions either is that rockets can be shot down

        stuff like SMART and BONUS artillery rounds have an inherent advantage in that once it's zeroed in and the target doesnt gtfo, it's a done deal

        although the russians air defense against missiles seems to suck balls

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >rockets can be shot down
          Sure, in theory, but S-400 has proven ineffectual against HIMARS.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To be fair its a strategic AA the idea of it engaging himars was always retarded.
            Its like expecting to use patriot missiles on MLRS barrages you don't you leave that for shorad systems like CRAM ect.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >AA missile vs. a ground-to-ground rocket
            what a waste, just get a CRAM like a Mantis. but russians dont have any such toys except for a handfull of dysfunctional some show-off-unicorns
            russia lacks so far behind, its painful

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tube artillery is vanilla. reasonably accurate, reasonably fast-firing, good sustain.

        rawkit lawnchairs come in two flavours. precision guided rockets are for surgical strikes, barrage rockets are for dumping lots of ordnance quickly.

        almost all casualties from artillery come in the first 30 seconds before people take cover. the problem with tube artillery is 30 seconds is enough time to fire maybe 3 or 4 or 5 rounds. even if you barrage them for 24 hours those first 5 rounds are gonna be the only ones that matter, as people found out in WW1.

        rawkit lawnchairs can fire every tube simultaneously, so you can dump 100 rockets in the first 30 seconds and kill everything that moves. the problem is you can't reload them very fast.

        so it works like this:
        0. (optional) satellites and drones identify point targets like anti-air radars that you blow up with precision rockets days in advance
        1. massive surprise rocket barrage on the enemy position
        2. your tanks and infantry go forward
        3. tube artillery supports them "on call" because it has better sustain and rate of fire and is more accurate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >almost all casualties from artillery come in the first 30 seconds before people take cover.

          Good thing the Pzh-2k can fire 5 rounds that all hit the area simultaneously

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cant most modern western spgs do that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I’m assuming rockets are more precise
              Nope.
              Pzh 2k is considered to be at least among the Top-3 SPGs of the entire world.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              british as90, korean k9 and pzh2000 + all of their variants can do that.
              the big secret is the fire control computer and coms. this gives the troops instant fire support. all these systems finished their burst fire mission in 2 minutes after they received a request.
              now it only depends how far away you are from the artillery system. at 55km range, a shell needs 130seconds to impact.
              it only takes 4 minutes and less from the "mom, come and pick me up. the fucking russians are trying to bully me again"-phonecall to the "sssshhhhhHHHH-bo-bo-boooom"-russians-are-minced-moment.
              its great for the defence, even better for an offence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >korean k9
                Doesn't that one only manage 3 rounds?
                Surprised they can even do that with their ghettorigged autoloader. I wonder what the range of their MRSI barrage is.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's kinda the entire point behind MRSI. Well, that and shoot-n-scoot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tube artillery is an expensive and heavy gun that fires cheap and lightweight ammunition, whereas rocket artillery is a cheap and lightweight launcher that fires expensive and heavy ammunition. This makes tube artillery better when you need to hit a large number of low-value targets, but makes rocket artillery better when you need to hit a small number of high-value targets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Field Artillery is reasserting itself as the King of Battle

      It's not so much a "game changer" as it is a "game enabler". The more artillery they have, the longer Ukraine can play their favorite shoot and scoot game

      Always was

      Suddenly, artillery is a game changer when in Ukrainian hands. Why aren't you patting Russia on the back for doing the same thing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because russia doesnt have accurate artillery of either shell or rocket varieties and therefore there is nothing to praise them on.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Re7YWOc.jpg

          First off retard, I literally said it wont be a big game changer like the HIMARs were.

          Second, Russian arty is inaccurate and indiscriminate leading to the destruction of cities and unneccssary deaths which isn't good if you actually want what's on the territory like infrastructure and a populace that doesn't fucking hate your guts.

          Third, Russians are going through a shit ton of ammo and more importantly artillery weapons who's barrels need to be replaced every few thousand rounds which Russia is going to have a harder time to replace with the economic sanctions placed on them.

          Fourth, even with Russia desperately firing everything it has with little thought put into what they're doing, they aren't changing the tide of war in any significant way. Ukraine army is still intact, they're still hemorrhaging man power, equipment, and money at an alarming rate, and what territory they do have is either destroyed or isn't guaranteed that they'll keep.

          Russian artillery is nothing special, but its good enough to destroy their targets. I don't know why you guys think they're horribly inaccurate.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know why you guys think they're horribly inaccurate.
            barrel wear

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are, when they have functional barrels, which they still do more or less.
            For now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know why you guys think they're horribly inaccurate.
            Because we're comparing them to modern guided munitions, retard.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In addition to barrel wear (which has been mentioned already), there's also the issue of aiming: while they showed some flashes of brilliance back in 2014, for the most part, their fire direction has been slow and inaccurate thus far. You can have an incredibly accurate weapon, but if you point it at the wrong place, it's still a miss.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >their fire direction has been slow and inaccurate thus far.
              Anybody know why?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        First off retard, I literally said it wont be a big game changer like the HIMARs were.

        Second, Russian arty is inaccurate and indiscriminate leading to the destruction of cities and unneccssary deaths which isn't good if you actually want what's on the territory like infrastructure and a populace that doesn't fucking hate your guts.

        Third, Russians are going through a shit ton of ammo and more importantly artillery weapons who's barrels need to be replaced every few thousand rounds which Russia is going to have a harder time to replace with the economic sanctions placed on them.

        Fourth, even with Russia desperately firing everything it has with little thought put into what they're doing, they aren't changing the tide of war in any significant way. Ukraine army is still intact, they're still hemorrhaging man power, equipment, and money at an alarming rate, and what territory they do have is either destroyed or isn't guaranteed that they'll keep.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because russian artillery sucks
        they're shooting dumb shells out of banan shaped barrels by the truckload, because they can't hit shit otherwise.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why aren't you patting Russia on the back for doing the same thing?
        I did though, i gotta them credit for holding out for so long and capturing villages here and there couple months back and i reckon their artillery has been a huge help for them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not a game changer but self-propelled arty is going to be much more survivable than towed arty.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia had the artillery advantage and still didn't manage to make any huge advances using it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Suddenly, artillery is a game changer when in Ukrainian hands.
        Yes it along with NATO intelligence allows them to defeat the Russian artillery.
        Fact is Russia is not making new guns, every loss means replacement with something older and more outdated. Ukraine however is getting better and better stuff.
        Once the Russian artillery advantage is whittled down, they are in a lot of trouble.
        >Why aren't you patting Russia on the back for doing the same thing?
        What do you mean? The whole reason everyone was pushing for them to get M777, Caesar's, Krabs and HIMARS was so they could properly fight the Russian artillery threat after their Blyatkreig faceplanted.
        People have taken the Russian artillery advantage seriously from day one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Modern western artillery (especially when combined with even semi-competent intel) > whatever soviet leftovers vatniks are using.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So far western gear didn't really live up to the hype especially portable stuff...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nice

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we're witnessing the return of early 20th century propaganda caricatures
            nice to see some things will never change

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is this supposed to be insulting or empowering the Ukranian national character? The art style says that it's lampooning the Ukranians and the western systems but the actual content seems pretty badass.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is that supposed to be in favor or against Ukraine? I honestly can't tell.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Watching Russia lose at their own game is delicious

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We need to give the ukies drones with better optics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was a game changer for Russia too. After the initial disaster that was the initial few months, Russia made gains in Luhansk and Donbass because they concentrated their artillery there. They have around 900 pieces there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not as big of a game changer as the HIMARs
      HIMARs allow Ukranians to survive by fucking with the Russian logistics.
      Modern artillery in the vein of the PzH2k and so on allows them to actually fight and win battles.
      Big difference.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Field Artillery is reasserting itself as the King of Battle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Always was

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      always was always will be, smart weapons are a meme

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >King of Battle*
      >*in third world countries
      ftfy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only possible when air superiority isn’t achieved

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its the queen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not really, it's a war between two 3rd world armies and neither side has even a half-serious air force

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If either side had air control the artillery would vanish. This is a war between two third world countries.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If either side had air control
        Yeah and that only happens when fighting the lowest of towelheads who have neither a competent airforce of their own or modern gbad

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russian IADS is struggling against Bayraktars and Su25s. It's not gonna do well against F35s.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Static guns yeah, but hunting pieces that move around a lot and look like trucks is harder.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not so much a "game changer" as it is a "game enabler". The more artillery they have, the longer Ukraine can play their favorite shoot and scoot game

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Considering that Germany only has like 100 units for it's army that's quite the significant purchase.
    The Ukranians must be really happy with it.
    Also makes me wonder if they bought this partly because they are optimistic that the guided 155mm. Vulcano munition with 70-80km. of range will actually become standard.

    This system outranges every howitzer the Russians field, their jets are for A2A combat and their helicopters are turbo cucked by Stingers, so the russians basically have nothing to counter this.
    Even if it's in range, a good crew has already brought the system out of harm's way before the counter battery fire hits.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Germans just wanna grill
      >Russians fuck with their gas
      >in the following week 3 gepards are sent early ahead of the planned timetable and Ukraine gets a deal for 100 howitzers
      I think there was something else as well, but the point is:
      Holy fuck Russians suck at diplomacy. The one major country who just doesn't wanna bother with slavic tomfoolery and they start shit with them.
      I give them 2-3 months until they turned the new italian coalition against them as well.

      >Vulcano munition with 70-80km. of range will actually become standard
      I read 100+ before.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the 127mm. naval munition.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just wanna grill
        fuck with their gas
        >>in the following week 3 gepards are sent early ahead of the planned timetable and Ukraine gets a deal for 100 howitzers
        >I think there was something else as well
        MARS II delivery.
        All in the week following Russian shenanigans.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]

          just wanna grill

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          fuck with their gas
          Come not between the Nazgûl and his bratwurst...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just wanna grill
        fuck with their gas
        >>in the following week 3 gepards are sent early ahead of the planned timetable and Ukraine gets a deal for 100 howitzers
        >I think there was something else as well
        MARS II delivery.
        All in the week following Russian shenanigans.

        The Russian breached a contract, it was an act of economic warfare.
        You don't do that to a mercantilistic state if you are smart.
        The Ukranians will get access to some really shiny toys and the Russians will probably see some business partners turning their backs towards them out of nowhere with harbors and airports suddenly refusing entry and such.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s just like that time Lavrov pissed of Israel with his Nazi schizo theories. You could see how retarded it is from a mile away yet they do it anyway.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we had 185+ system but reduced the active number to 108 because of financial reasons.
      we have a lot mothballed system which will made ready soon. we train ukrainian crews for them in the meanwhile.
      russians are struggling already to overcome the ukies defence lines, they are fucked if these arrive in larger numbers.
      russia will be forced to declare an offical war sooner or later and that will be really unpopular, russians will not like that. of course, they shitpost online how they support their police action, but no one really wants to go there to fight and die.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but will declaring war change anything? best russians can do if they mobilise is throwing untrained dudes at the front because most of their professional army is occupied holding the front and not training conscripts

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that the US could have had this same capability 20 years ago with Crusader.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >100 rounds a day

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they wont have as immediate impact as HIMARs but you need them to make actual assaults happen
    HIMARs dont cover that role whatsoever they cannot achieve any sort of saturated barrages that howitzers can do

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That better not be a Reddit screenshot

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an essential basic item at the operational level like GPMGs or RPGs are at the tactical level. Evolution instead of revolution.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Irrelevant in this case. These howitzers will take years to arrive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alexa, what is a ring-trade?
      >inb4 why would nations want to swap out their 20 year old kit for freshly produced up to date shit for free?

      Guided rocket artillery was already a game changer for Ukraine. This is basically adding a little icing on top.

      Read the thread, the weapon systems do very different jobs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Interesting information about how Germany will swap their artillery systems. You must have some insider knowledge that even the Germans may not have. What brand of crystal ball do you use?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's called a prediction.
          Notice how we both made one but mine is supported by logic while yours is supported by butthurt? And who said it has to exclusively be Germany?
          Maybe PrepHole isn't for you, tourist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean its how most of the shit has happened.
            Most of the Ukraine gear was bought vai burgers saying we will give you abrams himars f-16 f35 for free or patriots (Not included mx and training contract cost) in exchange your old warsaw systems to ukraine.
            Great deal because now burgers control their military via mx contracts and MIC companies have more customer to sell parts and FSRs while denying future profit and influence to Russia vai said contracts

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Passive aggression is for women and homosexuals.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Germany is also boosting their defense budget by a 100 billion. Where do you think that money will partly go? Just send the old howitzers away and buy yourself new ones. Rheinmetall also showed off their new tank not too long ago.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Scholz already backpedaled on that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He hasn't. It's gone through parliament successfully as well.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's right. 147 billion this year.
            A bit less than Polands entire economy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How new are you?

          Scholz already backpedaled on that.

          He did not, it's done.

          Also consider the three MARS-II (equivalent to HIMARS), also 27 more Gepards. And in fall shipment of IRIS-T, which can basically protect an entire city like Odeassa from harm. Sadly, Diehl can only produce one or two a year. Seems Russia has pokes the Krauts one to many times in the eye.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sale
    Is this just dressing for the home audience? Is anybody really retarded enough to expect money for them?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guided rocket artillery was already a game changer for Ukraine. This is basically adding a little icing on top.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How big of a game changer is a howitzer?

    They don't want the war to end. They don't want anyone to win.

    They're turning it into a WWI war of attrition. Ukraine will be destroyed but no one cares if it harms the Russians. The military industrial complex gets to sell product and so long as our governments don't talk too loudly about how much of our money they're wasting they'll get away with it.

    Nothing will be left of Ukraine in the end but it lets them make money without having to sell the American people on another war. Now that Afghanistan is over we need more blood for the machine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but will many russians die?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All of them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing Russia is suicidal enough to keep the war going then I guess.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia will be dead in a generation either way, due to demographic collapse. The only question is how many innocents have to die with them. If Russia were to lose outright tomorrow, their only real choice would be whether to die quietly or throw nukes around in a temper tantrum.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure some Ukrainian garden gnome will sell them and retire comfortably.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    worth 1.7 billion euros
    So nothing

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't matter. They're never going to actually get any. It's just money laundering.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am Hans from Berlin oblast and agree.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Joachim from Düsseldorf oblast speakink, what a thoughtful and precise argument.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for opening my eyes. WTF? I love Russia now!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Vulcano use GPS or Galileo (or both?) for guidance?
    I know Katana is supposed to use only Galileo (to be ITAR-free), but I dunno about Vulcano.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Reddit screenshot
    How the fuck did they completely take over PrepHole

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WE are PrepHole now!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope and seethe vatnik, this is a Reddit board Now. Slava Ukraini!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cool pic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Noguns tourists. Look at the poland general.
      You could randomly shoot 10 people there and you'd likely either hit no gun owner or a foreigner. PrepHole is filled with slavs and bongs who somehow didn't fit into /uhg/ or /chug/.
      The rest just came straight from reddit and twitter.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Noguns
        >muh guns board

        I'm afraid there's more to this board than just guns, my knuckle-dragging mouth-breather friend. The title should give that away.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and you subhuman redditors don't have any idea about warfare or weaponry in general either. Being invested enough to acquire a gun us a great way to filter out the garbage that is ruining the board by turning it into 4chan2.0.
          Garbage like you.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A literal Reddit screenshot again. Go back and seethe about Russia there.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vatnik cope ITT is reaching pic related level

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    100 howitzers you will be actually able to source ammo for?
    with longer range than enemy's?
    with better accuracy?
    more rounds per minute?

    seems like a really significant change...

    • 2 weeks ago
      /out/ie

      First, you can order 155mm rounds almost everywhere in NATO countries.
      Second, since precision is a lot higher, you don't need more than one or two rounds per target.
      With some rounds, like SMArt, you only need one round for two hard targets (say tanks).
      Third, the PzH2000 has different fire modes, the most popular is combined with COBRA radar, you shoot, the radar measures the flight path and adjusts the second shot based on that for higher precision. Or you can just shoot 10 rounds real quick and be on the move less than 60 seconds later, so that counter arty can't touch you. Or you shoot 5 rounds and calculate their flight path so that they all hit at the same second, over 40km, inside a 1m circle.
      Fourth, you need less personal and the tasks the personal does are less physically demanding. The inside of the PzH2000 has proper climate control and is spacious, extending the endurance of the crew. It's a proper work environment.
      Six, PzH2000 is heavily armed. It's pretty much immune to counter arty, only a direct hit could do damage. All damage so far could be repaired with German help using Augmented Reality goggles. The heavy armour comes at a price of weight, 67 tons i think, that means it's cant use any small bridge. The chassis is a Leo2, so it's agile and high speed.
      Seven, cooling and quality of the barrel is such that you can shoot 8 rounds per minute for as long as your crew has charges and rounds.

      Russian arty is just not made for serious war.

      Why not buy Krabs which are better anyways? Germany can’t be trusted, they are Russian agents

      They aren't and they aren't.

      >I don't know why you guys think they're horribly inaccurate.
      Because we're comparing them to modern guided munitions, retard.

      Secret sauce of higher precision isn't only in the rounds, it's also in the COBRA radar and JIT measurements of previously fired rounds in air to calibrate for high altitude winds.

      How a fucking artillery piece is worth 17m euros?

      The bare PzH2000 cots less, but you have to add the COBRA radar system to get the most out of it's capability. Also, this isn't some cheap chink shit that falls apart after 5 years, you usually buy at least 10 to 20 years support at the same time.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why would they need a game changer? i thought ukraine had total victory??

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Might as well sell your scarps to Ukraine before it becomes Russia

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not buy Krabs which are better anyways? Germany can’t be trusted, they are Russian agents

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they aren't.
      Are you the tardlet who just posted in the other thread that all westerners think slavs are subhumans?
      Same retarded/butthurt vibe.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How a fucking artillery piece is worth 17m euros?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its german and germans only make wunderwaffen in limited production

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its german and germans only make wunderwaffen in limited production

      By being 2-3 times as good as the competition which isn't that much cheaper.
      Though I'm not sure where you got the number from,last time I checked I saw 9-12 million. It's been awhile though so maybe that's just inflation or the newest shit being added to upgraded versions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      By being 2-3 times as good as the competition which isn't that much cheaper.
      Though I'm not sure where you got the number from,last time I checked I saw 9-12 million. It's been awhile though so maybe that's just inflation or the newest shit being added to upgraded versions.

      (I'm aware the price tagsays 1,7 billion for 100 byt that includes spare parts, barrels and lots of ammo)

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overpriced pile of scrap metal which breaks after a single day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Overpriced pile of scrap metal which breaks after a single day.
      t. angry Lolek in his break between cleaning toilets

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There were reports that one of KRABs Poland donated to Ukraine caught fire and was basically destroyed because Ukrainians didn't follow the guidelines on how many rounds per minute should be fired in sustained fire and the shell caught fire while being put into the barrel. Also apparently ukros covered the fire/smoke sensors inside the cabin with duck tape because ukros are smoking inside the cabin. If not for that retarded ukro approach to fire hazard the inside safety system could easily put down the fire but it is what it is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      + it's weird that ukros went for german phz2000, sure it's the best piece out there in terms of capability but it will take years to produce and it's expensive. Wouldn't it be more reasonable and cost effective to buy more cheaper artillery pieces that would overall be better than german overpriced wunderwaffe? KRABs are already being delivered to Ukraine and are being produced, but what about let's say korean K9? Wouldn't koreans be able to deliver them way sooner at better cost than germans?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Krab chassis reportedly are breaking from the firing.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    at best a cosmetic improvement.

    They dont need 100 but 1000 or 2000 or better 5000 pieces

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