I remember a few points from high school and try to incorporate them in my sketches. It's thr CAD portion I recall the most. I never use it
but at least I can talk about ideas with the programmer at work without sounding totally moronic.
t. has never had to design guardrail in cramped quarters
I drew up that plan without guidance while my boss was on vacation. When he got back, he showed it to his boss, and both of them praised me pretty highly.
This is a construction sheet, prepared by the Roadway people. Electrical stuff goes on a separate electrical sheet, prepared by the separate Electrical people. Drainage stuff goes on a separate drainage sheet, prepared by the separate Drainage people.
Ugly fonts, ugly aliased lines, inconsistent and ugly label rotations, annoyingly long document reference numbers and all you did was space out some posts for a guard rail. Which I can't tell how far to place from the asphalt, or from any fixed reference point for that matter.
Here's an example drawing I found on the internet according to my country's standards. It's a pretty complicated one to be fair. See how nicely the labels follow lines they're attached to? See the lovely % slope indicators? See the pleasant contrast and use of different line types? Which are standardised by the way.
See how this is a detail of a design of only 8 that includes electric AND sewage AND some work instructions.
Don't beat yourself up, it's just work. But don't beat your own drums either when American engineering is so far behind.
>Ugly fonts
That's a matter of taste. I personally see nothing wrong with them. >Ugly aliased lines
I intentionally disable antialiasing in my PDF reader because I personally prefer jagged lines to blurry lines. If you were to open the same PDF in your own PDF reader, with antialiasing enabled, then it would not look jagged for you. >inconsistent and ugly label rotations
Fine, I'll grant you that one. >annoyingly long document reference numbers
I don't even know what you're talking about. If you're referring to "see note 3", then I'll grant that that could be considered somewhat verbose. >Which I can't tell how far to place from the asphalt, or from any fixed reference point for that matter.
I don't think that complaining about the lack of an explicitly marked lateral offset is valid when you can clearly see that the guardrail is right on top of the edge of pavement, at an offset of zero. Where the offset is larger than zero (e. g., at the tip of a guardrail terminal), then there is an explicit "2' OFFSET" note.
Longitudinal distance from a fixed reference point is indeed marked on the plan. In the upper-right corner, the tip of the guardrail terminal is 50.5 feet from the utility pole; and, in the lower-right corner, the tip of the guardrail anchorage is 43.4 feet from the inlet.
>It's a pretty complicated one to be fair.
LOL. Fine, I'll dox myself. Here's an except from my employer's Sample Plans. See how it actually labels what needs to be constructed, and the quantities for which the contractor paid? I'm not seeing any quantities on your example. >Which are standardised by the way.
I'll admit that NJDOT's CADD standards are not very closely adhered to. The current CADD Standards Manual hasn't been updated in literally eighteen years (ditto for the software), and my boss often complains about how bad the Sample Plans are. Still, the contractors don't complain--about the drafting, at least.
Haha, I took a drafting class in high school and was pretty excited about it. Then the teacher quit a week into the year, and they couldn't find a sub to properly cover it. The class ended up being a combination study hall and R-rated movie theater, and the sub they assigned let us pick our grade at the end.
Needless to say I can scribble a shit model on a piece of paper and that's about it.
manual drafting requires a much higher level of planning and artistry and understanding of the thing you're drawing than CAD. earlier in my career i used to work with a manual drafting department and some of the drawings could be considered beautiful even. manual drafting requires far more skill.
I remember a few points from high school and try to incorporate them in my sketches. It's thr CAD portion I recall the most. I never use it
but at least I can talk about ideas with the programmer at work without sounding totally moronic.
Decent, when I was in highschool we had a geometry class where each drawing was done in ink with calligraphy titles
any visible mistakes and you had to start over from scratch
some girls broke down crying it was pretty difficult, but I crushed it
nowadays I just use a PC and software though, way easier to make changes (which are almost always inevitable)
is that rebar on the side
I'm pretty alright, not classically trained, but I get better every job.
never did that before.
I remember a few points from high school and try to incorporate them in my sketches. It's thr CAD portion I recall the most. I never use it
but at least I can talk about ideas with the programmer at work without sounding totally moronic.
Oh, I'd say they're pretty good.
t. civil engineer
Looks like messy shit.
t. has never had to design guardrail in cramped quarters
I drew up that plan without guidance while my boss was on vacation. When he got back, he showed it to his boss, and both of them praised me pretty highly.
100% agree
But hey, the other guy got some "good goy" points for his messy drawing, so....
American construction and engineering just amazes me every time and on every level by how incompetent it is.
That does not even look remotely standardized nor able to integrate multilayer systems (say when plumbing, hvac and electrical have crossovers).
How often do you need to integrate other systems into a fricking guard rail?
This is a construction sheet, prepared by the Roadway people. Electrical stuff goes on a separate electrical sheet, prepared by the separate Electrical people. Drainage stuff goes on a separate drainage sheet, prepared by the separate Drainage people.
>28 pages of notes for 1/2 page of wor
Do you just do this so you can get money off for substandard work because it doesn't follow your dumb spec?
Ugly fonts, ugly aliased lines, inconsistent and ugly label rotations, annoyingly long document reference numbers and all you did was space out some posts for a guard rail. Which I can't tell how far to place from the asphalt, or from any fixed reference point for that matter.
Here's an example drawing I found on the internet according to my country's standards. It's a pretty complicated one to be fair. See how nicely the labels follow lines they're attached to? See the lovely % slope indicators? See the pleasant contrast and use of different line types? Which are standardised by the way.
See how this is a detail of a design of only 8 that includes electric AND sewage AND some work instructions.
Don't beat yourself up, it's just work. But don't beat your own drums either when American engineering is so far behind.
>Ugly fonts
That's a matter of taste. I personally see nothing wrong with them.
>Ugly aliased lines
I intentionally disable antialiasing in my PDF reader because I personally prefer jagged lines to blurry lines. If you were to open the same PDF in your own PDF reader, with antialiasing enabled, then it would not look jagged for you.
>inconsistent and ugly label rotations
Fine, I'll grant you that one.
>annoyingly long document reference numbers
I don't even know what you're talking about. If you're referring to "see note 3", then I'll grant that that could be considered somewhat verbose.
>Which I can't tell how far to place from the asphalt, or from any fixed reference point for that matter.
I don't think that complaining about the lack of an explicitly marked lateral offset is valid when you can clearly see that the guardrail is right on top of the edge of pavement, at an offset of zero. Where the offset is larger than zero (e. g., at the tip of a guardrail terminal), then there is an explicit "2' OFFSET" note.
Longitudinal distance from a fixed reference point is indeed marked on the plan. In the upper-right corner, the tip of the guardrail terminal is 50.5 feet from the utility pole; and, in the lower-right corner, the tip of the guardrail anchorage is 43.4 feet from the inlet.
>It's a pretty complicated one to be fair.
LOL. Fine, I'll dox myself. Here's an except from my employer's Sample Plans. See how it actually labels what needs to be constructed, and the quantities for which the contractor paid? I'm not seeing any quantities on your example.
>Which are standardised by the way.
I'll admit that NJDOT's CADD standards are not very closely adhered to. The current CADD Standards Manual hasn't been updated in literally eighteen years (ditto for the software), and my boss often complains about how bad the Sample Plans are. Still, the contractors don't complain--about the drafting, at least.
>50.5
*55.5
Obviously, the " 50' " dimension is cut off by the edge of my photograph.
Had a mandatory drafting class in HS and haven't touched it since. The only thing they taught me was to hate the activity.
Haha, I took a drafting class in high school and was pretty excited about it. Then the teacher quit a week into the year, and they couldn't find a sub to properly cover it. The class ended up being a combination study hall and R-rated movie theater, and the sub they assigned let us pick our grade at the end.
Needless to say I can scribble a shit model on a piece of paper and that's about it.
manual drafting requires a much higher level of planning and artistry and understanding of the thing you're drawing than CAD. earlier in my career i used to work with a manual drafting department and some of the drawings could be considered beautiful even. manual drafting requires far more skill.
s there an online version of classes like
did in high school?
google it and tell us what you find out
I fckin use autocad and revit boomer
Computer-aided drafting is still drafting, Anon.
I'm not good at manual, but I love full size drafting tables with the parallel bar and protractor. 20 years of CAD though, not terrible with that.
pretty bad
Rusty, but when the emp whipes out computers I am still pencil and paper capable.
Decent, when I was in highschool we had a geometry class where each drawing was done in ink with calligraphy titles
any visible mistakes and you had to start over from scratch
some girls broke down crying it was pretty difficult, but I crushed it
nowadays I just use a PC and software though, way easier to make changes (which are almost always inevitable)
I want her wearing a bikini and a shock collar which I have the remote control to and her hand washing my car this week.
Wrong board anon?
Draft us up the shock collar and remote
I remember those threads. Does anyone have a screencap?
We have software for that these days grandpa. Just throw it in CAD.
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I can communicate ideas faster on paper. To myself. I can communicate ideas to myself faster on paper.
Not great, not terrible. Sometimes have to re-select views to get the point across better. Usually do this before showing it to anybody else.