How are Ukies planning on dealing with these guys?

How are Ukies planning on dealing with these guys? Don't want to sound like a concerntrooler, but Russia has 10 prototypes and 22 serial production of these(although IIRC they lost at least one in an accident).

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How are Ukies planning on dealing with these guys?
    >RCS of a Super Hornet
    Shooting them down mostly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By striking deep into russia

      They stay out of range of ukieshit though

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They stay out of range of ukieshit though
        OK. So they're a threat to nothing.

        it's just completely fake shit someone made up and everyone rolls with, i've seen people make that claim for like 4 different planes at this point

        >it's just completely fake shit someone made up and everyone rolls with
        RCS is calculable just using the exterior dimensions of an object.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >RCS is calculable just using the exterior dimensions of an object.
          Don't those calculations assume the entire plane is made of metal and don't account for things like leading edge treatments or RAM?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is painting their shit with visual camo, there's no RAM to be taken into account, but if there was it's a coefficient modifier on the underlying geometric profile.

            And the SU-57 has a perfect cone nose with a big fat IRST tumor on the front, so it's busted both head-on and from the ground.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And the SU-57 has a perfect cone nose
              I'm not sure of the proper name for it but it has one of those boat hull shaped noses like the F22/35 and J20 have

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >RCS of a Super Hornet
      Isn't that a bit simplified? Anons in other threads are saying that's true only if the Hornet is naked. Also at least it still has some reduction compared to those F-16s the Ukies are getting. I just hope it's possible to lock-on and shoot them down.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I just hope it's possible to lock-on and shoot them down.
        Russia's use of the Su-57 so far has been well away from Ukrainian air defense zones, and almost totally within Russian airspace. Remember last year when Russia tried and failed to take out a Patriot with six high-end Khinzals ($10 million each)? They didn't even *try* to employ a single $35 million Su-57 for the same mission. That suggests they weren't confident in its abilities to carry out a SEAD mission against a high-priority without getting swatted.
        We won't know for sure until the first one is converted into keychains for a fundraiser, but I suspect it's not as low-observability as they claim, and the VVS know it. Either they won't risk the PR debacle of losing one and all Su-57s will be kept 500km+ away from the frontline, or they'll have to risk it and we'll see how it fares against an AMRAAM.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, they mostly keep them at a distance, but what if they DO try to risk Su-57s or the older planes in order to shoot F-16s?
          Also can someone tell me why isn't Russia using their aviation more in this war? They surely aren't afraid to turn their soldiers and land vehicles into "heroes". Why are planes different? Don't they have a lot, or at least some hundreds still not used? I assume they would have to find Ukie AA sites first because otherwise they couldn't do shit, even bomb Ukies on the ground without losing all of their planes, and they aren't confident they can find, and then actually hit and destroy the AA? I'm just surprised they didn't do some URAAAA mass attack from the air in order to destroy Patriots. I don't know shit about aviation and air tactics, so maybe this is too moronic even for Russians.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If a SINGLE Su-57 goes down to an F-16 the gig is up entirely on all of post-soviet weapon production. Also there's maybe only 20 Su-57's, I think we've at most ever seen four airborne.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the gig is up
              You are greatly underestimating the power of*~~))
              >the pilot was asleepings
              >it was of monkey modeling
              >it was mig 21 with body kittings
              >it was actually of boris johnson on f35

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it was actually of boris johnson on f35
                based

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ehhh, I am repeating myself, but what if they stop caring and actually try to shoot down the F-16s no matter the cost? Air superiority is kinda important, isn't it? Would US/Europe provide more jets if some were shot down?
              In fact, how many pilots are Ukies training in the West? Are they training on F-16s only or on other types too?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i'm plebbit spacing this because its a pain to proofread drunk
                Probably just F-16's. It's the cheap multi-role. The F-15 is the air superiority king 105-0, and the F-18 just for the navy, so unless Uke suddenly needs to lock down airspace out past Moscow, they're not gonna train them with that. They'll probably train something like 100ish pilots, and figure out how the first batch of planes does before considering any more. I think they've got some like 50 planes at least coming?

                Given the F-16 can BVR anything Russian at 100NMI using old missiles, so long as Ukes prove they can trade 2 for 1 with SU-25's even the US will shovel more jets their way until Russia runs out of jets. The MIC is making bank off of this, and the F-16 is so cheap and overproduced it's given away to national guard units in the US. There's 4600 of them made so far and each batch ordered is a stimulus package to the US.

                If Ukes somehow own the skies after all that, the F-16 can then be used to put warheads on foreheads easy. Russian pilots have shown they get real shy about coming out to play when any losses tick up for them too, and it's hard to force someone to fly a plane at gunpoint. It's why pilots live so good, and why they're so quick to ground flights once the fight isn't in their favor.

                I guess you could get the pilots drunk enough to go full URAAAAAAA against the planes but then the Patriot systems will be eating good, and Ukes have shown they're willing to go pretty offensive with those things.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Super Hornet was built as a navy bird but that doesn't mean it can't operate just fine for a land-based air force. The RAAF operated the bug and superbug as their primary fighter for ages, and still have the supers and Growlers to supplement the F-35A.
                The overbuilt undercarriage would probably be a plus for Ukraine at the moment, too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The navy bird is the navy's special little boytoy and they don't like people having it. The F-16 can basically be purchased on the civilian market at this point.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Air superiority is kinda important, isn't it?
                It's very important, and if the Russians couldn't secure it despite a vastly larger air force when they were only facing Ukraine's ageing MiGs, then my money is that they'll find it even more challenging against Western sensor packages and weapons systems.
                >what if they stop caring and actually try to shoot down the F-16s no matter the cost?
                If that means the VVS fly less conservative missions than they have already, then attrition will spike like it did for all those AN-50s a few months back. The Russians have already lost over a third of the Alligator attack helicopters, and the postmortems I read were that -- as effective as those assets can be -- the command pushed too many of them into exposure on risky missions and the crews paid the price.
                The real test will be what actually happens if they decide to push for it like you suggest, but the performance of the Russian R-37 so far has been primarily in forcing AFU pilots to abandon objectives and evade; the AIM-120D fired from capable F-16s could rack up enough hard kills to underscore just how severe "no matter the cost" can be.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >AIM-120D
                I was only thinking they'd get C variants and that would basically put an end to Russian air shows. Didn't even think of what might happen if Uke's got D's, but I guess there probably aren't a whole lot of C's in storage anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They've received C variants already, and I think they've used them with the improvised systems on their existing aircraft. My understanding is that D block AMRAAM is explicitly named in an aid package along with F-16 spare parts, so it should be interesting viewing this summer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine has been getting the C block for NASAMS. They apparently bought (probably with money we gave them but that's genuinely irrelevant) several orders of D block AMRAAMS, which to my knowledge aren't really used in NASAMS as much as for A2A roles. I really think we *might* see some funny things go down at least a few times before the vatnoids learn the lesson.

                >Are they training on F-16s only or on other types too?
                there have been rumors of Ukrainian pilots being trained on Gripen, no word on who is allegedly training them, where & with what model.

                I've heard this about Gripens, too, but until there's anything a bit more concrete it's just hopium, for me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Are they training on F-16s only or on other types too?
                there have been rumors of Ukrainian pilots being trained on Gripen, no word on who is allegedly training them, where & with what model.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine has been getting the C block for NASAMS. They apparently bought (probably with money we gave them but that's genuinely irrelevant) several orders of D block AMRAAMS, which to my knowledge aren't really used in NASAMS as much as for A2A roles. I really think we *might* see some funny things go down at least a few times before the vatnoids learn the lesson.
                [...]
                I've heard this about Gripens, too, but until there's anything a bit more concrete it's just hopium, for me.

                They are trained in Sweden, on Swedish C/D Gripens. So far I have only found reliable sources in Swedish tho. That said I have seen them with my own eyes, but that is about as good of a source as nothing since im just a gay on PrepHole

                t. Gripengay

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hope Sweden repossesses Hungary's leased Gripens and gives them to Ukraine (who uses them to bomb Hungary)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kek, yeah, they will go back to SAAB when the leasing contract is up, what SAAB will do with them is anyones guess.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it was a ukrainian su-57

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i need a video of a tractor pulling a su-57 like you wouldn't believe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the best I can do is a MiG-21 Bis

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look at Su-35s, for the last 10 years we've been barraged with
              >F-35 killer
              >the Jet that gives Raptors nightmares
              >US forces in Syria terrified by this jet
              Articles and media. And they're STILL shilling for it after it's been consistently dunked on. Turds don't care if it's good, only if it's against the West

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can’t believe anyone seriously thought the Su-35 could even sniff a western jets farts.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >can someone tell me why isn't russia using their aviation more in this war?
            they have a lot of airframes, soviet aircraft are massive spare-parts hogs and they're probably rationing those as many of those spare parts can't be built anymore, thusly only a smaller part of their total fleet can be kept active.
            reason 2 is that even before the war they had a serious lack of pilots, and a very big shortage of pilots with even minimum required flight hours.
            forget about anything like training or equipping for SEAD/DEAD missions, they had their hands full just keeping maybe 2000 pilots total trained in even basic flying duties.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Also can someone tell me why isn't Russia using their aviation more in this war?
            They did with helicopters and they kept getting deleted so now they stay far away from ukie positions

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's just completely fake shit someone made up and everyone rolls with, i've seen people make that claim for like 4 different planes at this point

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the problem is the Russians can't make any claim because it can be objectively measured by anyone else the moment there's another Incident™ with the Russian Air Force and other nations Air Force, so if they state a low RCS their cred will nosedive first chance and that'll hurt their expoort sales, which matters a lot since China wants to steal their target customers.

          If a SINGLE Su-57 goes down to an F-16 the gig is up entirely on all of post-soviet weapon production. Also there's maybe only 20 Su-57's, I think we've at most ever seen four airborne.

          no evidence of there being 20. We don't even know if there's more than 10, and it seems like not all 10 are even in working order

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shooting them down mostly
      alpha group reporting for duty

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean it looks cool doesn't it? can you give it that?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By using long range AA on russian territory, if the U.S. allows it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I go to my kitchen tap with a glass in hand
    >I fill the glass up with water
    >I drink the water and avoid shitting myself to death
    How is such a thing possible? What ayy lmao tech has the West reverse engineered in order to perform such a feat?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah, then why are the chemicals in the water turning the frogs gay? Check and mate, HATO

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theyd need to use them first but i think put puts afraid the front will fall off

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zero flying with their engines as designed, zero combat capable airframes. literally a paper tiger of the skies confined to missile boat duties that will never affect the course of the war. embarassment to legacy of soviet (ukrainian) aviation

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >zero flying with their engines as designed, zero combat capable airframes
      What are your sources? Sounds a bit like wishful thinking that literally zero of them are capable of doing any damage. I am not trying to demooralize, I am not saying Ukraine should just lay down their arms and let Russia roll over them, I just hope the threat is being correctly assessed in time. I don't want the repeat of Leopards being blown up by Ka-52s and artillery that can barely be countered because Ukies didn't correctly prepare for the threats.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        them themselves have said that because sanctions they haven't installed the engines they planned for
        russia fricked themselves pretty hard by starting the war without preparing any vehicles with the shit they were buying from europe
        its pretty stupid, i don't know why they failed to just buy what they needed THEN start the war, fricking morons

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          extra fricking moronic they did the same thing with the t-14 at the same time. do russians have brains?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All the brains left in the 90's. There are still a huge amount of commonality between the Felon and the rest of the Flanker series- and the fact that the Russians are still only producing those 40 year old designs in artisanal quantities means that the Flankers engine issue -although a reasonable cope for why it doesn't preform as intended - still doesn't explain why they're still operating in prototype scale numbers.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              *Felons* engine issues. I'm a moron, if only Sukhoi was hiring.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > i don't know why they failed to just buy what they needed THEN start the war, fricking morons
          Bro they legit expected the war to last 3-4 weeks tops.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just like how they did with refineries, the Black Sea fleet and russian HQs. The only eternal fly will be the burning pollutants from their carcasses flying to the stratosphere.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They will deal with them just like with T-14 ARMATA: by ignoring the propaganda wunderwaffle that never leaves a hangar

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't meant to even fight the ukraine shitbuckets that have to hide on highways not to get destroyed and are hunted by lancet 24/7. These planes are a counter to the best the West has.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >You wait till the SU-35 leaves the field
    >Pretend he forgot his wallet and call out for him
    >The SU-35 turns sharply to see who's calling him
    >The hull cracks

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything else equal F18 would be better for Ukraine than F16. You can land them on basically any stretch of road with an arrestor cable. Finland and Canada do this with theirs in remote areas maybe Australia too. But Ukraine knows it won't get Super Hornets, and Hornet airframes are all really worn out at this point. Still wouldn't rule out Ukraine eventually getting some though, especially if Russians prove successful in cratering airfields.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there was some talk about the possibility of Finland donating its F/A-18C/Ds to Ukraine as they are retired by FiAF, the first comment against the idea wasn't the fact that the airframes are worn out, but that USA would never allow the exportation due to concerns over the technology being captured by Ruskis should a Hornet get shot down over Ruski-held territory (remember, Finnish Hornet fleet was last updated in 2010s so relatively new shit for Ruskis to study.)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doubt any of these plans will ever get closer than 80km from the front lines.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >22 serial production
    lolno.
    they have 6.
    one of which crashed
    one of which can't fly
    one of which no pilot wants to fly
    and all of which were hand-constructed, like the prototypes because Russia never completed the tooling
    and they refuse to show the tail numbers so the rest can be carted around to make you think they managed to acheive an invincible armada of 22 planes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shhh tell them it's a good plane and we're afraid of it, i want one to fight an F-15,
      >106-0 any day now

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If supplied with Meteor even a single Gripen could have a major impact in suppressing Russian air assets.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why aren't they giving meteors then?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Muh escalation + Sweden needed to be safely inside NATO + no jets Ukraine has can fire it (it would need to be totally integrated unlike air to ground stuff being retrofitted so far) + fear of one somehow getting into Russia's hands

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ...Ukraine could alternatively be given Eurofighter or Rafale to fire Meteor but I think that's far less likely than Gripen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If Russia got fifteen meteors they might manage to make one twenty years from now. Too much risk of giving them an actual advancement in tech.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Easy lol, just take pills. They don't exist.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw the conflict does on so long that these things actually become relevant

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How are Ukies planning on dealing with these guys? Don't want to sound like a concerntrooler, but Russia has
    4 of them and they are inferior to F16s and armed with inferior missiles. Just another Russia pile of gangster bullshit like the armata tank and their laughable aircraft carrier and moron special operation(remember when they said it was illegal to call it a war in Russia).

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i really do want all the chicken hawk homosexuals here to die

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the Su-57 was any good at fighting actual wars they'd be actively using them. They aren't because they aren't.

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