>houses are expensive
>land is cheapish
If I bought some land, could I plop this down and live in it?
If not, what would I need to add to it so I can do that?
>houses are expensive. >land is cheapish
>houses are expensive
>land is cheapish
If I bought some land, could I plop this down and live in it?
If not, what would I need to add to it so I can do that?
I think the issue is zoning as well as utilities. But real estate prices are largely driven by jobs too, so the only land that's cheap is far from jobs.
You can live in a wooden crate if you want to, but if you connect any electricity/water/sewer you'll have to deal with code enforcement.
>this thread again
1) land is not cheap if it's remotely desirable or improved in any way whatsoever, like having deeded access aka not legally landlocked
2) what's wrong is it isn't going to meet the bare minimum federal code for a dwelling, such as having approved waste disposal ... the absolute bare minimum that even applies to shit like bugout cabins
3) that means it won't be approved and recorded as a legal occupied dwelling by the county
4) that means you can be evicted/have structure condemned at any time, you can't get utilities or have them activated, you can't get an assessment and can't pay taxes, can't get an address assigned, can't declare it as your legal place of residence because you have no address
even if you live in the true redneck boonies and it's just the local good old boy boomer fire chief doing the approvals, it is not going to get an address, so even if you are left alone, you are in legal jeopardy
>you can't occupy a property without an approved dwelling on it, even if it's a shitty trailer
>you can't get an address without an approved dwelling on the lot
>even if they don't come and inspect (big if), they could randomly come and fuck your shit up at any time
you are basically squatting on your own property, according to the law
from the courts' perspective it is simple: if you are living on a parcel with no assigned address and/or recorded approved dwelling, that is illegal
yes you MAY be able to find a parcel that is unrestricted and unplatted but has an address assigned because the developer/county just happened to do things that way but it's very very very very rare and usually those areas are basically trailer parks, the lots are small and not private, you will get caught
your best option is to buy a shitty trailer and put it on the lot, get everything in order legally, then get rid of it and do what you want
1) I consider land at a couple thousand an acre pretty cheap, and that's not that hard to find in fairly rural areas like a lot of Arkansas or Georgia
2) there's no real federal code for a dwelling; this stuff is regulated (and certainly enforced) at a city/county level in most places in the USA
3) a lot of rural places in the USA, this doesn't matter
4)You can absolutely get utilities, assessment and taxes, have an address and get mail, as well as declaring it your legal place of residence for the purpose of taxes and identification etc in most places in the USA. Some jurisdictions will vary, but anywhere in the USA with agriculture certainly has provisions for utilities, taxes, etc on otherwise undeveloped land
The reality though is that OP is probably not going to do anything other than shitpost on this board.
your not required to have anything on the land other than a mailbox to get an address in the united states. you literally just call 911 and say you would like a house number for your property and they will add you to the registry. now you can have an address. zoning is really the only issue
>911 what is your emergency?
>I need an address.
thats how it goes
they then assign you an address and add it to the system
>like having deeded access aka not legally landlocked
If I won the lotto I'd find a spot like that with people living on the outside properties then just fly in and out by helicopter all day. Seems more fun than crashing some Ferraris. Still be spending money on coke and hookers, I'd have both air dropped.
by law you must have an easment or right of way
what you describe does not exsist
if you own landlocked land
one of your neighbors must have an easement for road acess
seriously you guys stop it
>land is cheap
Not anymore
>land is cheapish
In shitholes, yeah. Where I live the land is worth more than the house by a lot.
>If I bought some land, could I plop this down and live in it?
Depends. In bumfuck nowhere, an hours drive from the nearest paved road, sure. You have to find a place without building codes or neighbors. That said, it would be cheaper to buy a used RV, mobile home, or trailer than to build a tiny house. Tiny houses are trailers for hipsters.
>If not, what would I need to add to it so I can do that?
Assuming someplace with building codes, then it varies widely. Where I live you can have a 120 square foot building without a permit as long as it has no services. If you want services you need a permit for those services but not the building. This is for an 'outbuilding' though. If you plan to live in it you must have three services: power, water, and waste. If your lot is far enough away that connecting those services would be too expensive you can ask for an exception, which they generally grant, that means you can 'self source' these services. So, a photovoltaic system, water tank/well, and septic. Septic can be expensive.
My area has a lot of snotty poor people. Too good for a trailer park, too poor for a house. There are lots of Picture Related in the outskirts my county. Land that is otherwise shit. Can't even graze cattle on it. Lots connected by dirt roads with a trailer or single wide parked on them. Mostly older folks, burnouts, failures, and wastoids that are now living lean waiting until they die.
if you want a shitter that flushes prepare to drop a minimum of 10k for a septic system other than that you can get away with a lot of offgrid solutions
ok so i did this
it is possible and not really as hard as everyone says, its more of a bitch dealing with it but deff possible
1 buying land cheap
is actually not hard
even near nice cities
san diego example
you need to call real estate guy tell you to give you listings
near a road,
paying for it
land is usually not financed by banks unless a dwelling is inculded in the loan
that is why most owner self finance
you put downpayment and then you pay montly like a car
downpayment can be like 2k depends on land value.
or you can do what i did if you want giant place
get a shark cash loan, no one says no to cash and you can low ball
then just pay off high interest cash loan lol
2once land is purchased or financed
you pay 250 a month or some shit
more if you get a well but you can build one or get tanks. water is important
so try to get money for a well or you need tanks or find land with old well
they are everywhere lol
no one buys land because banks dont really lend on it
3 look at building codes
if your super lazy and have like 3 4k downpayment money, just pay 60 k finance a mobile home
they come and plop it in place
if you dont have water you do tanks and tanks for sewer
no money
ok so you look at building code
it allows a 10 by 12 building all over usa usually no code
so build like shed you see in pic and fence the fucker in
and dont tell anyone you live there
also just tell people you run buisssness there
most jurisdictions allow habitation at place of builssness, that is they wont bother you
fence the shit in
11ft fence no permit
fence a yard size amount
build nice cabin shed for like 4k
bathroom honestly
compost toilet is cheap or a porta potty will do jsut fine
yes code will fuck with
you
but if you dont show habitation and theres a fence no trespassing signs
tell them i run buissness in shed
they leave you the fuq alone
they dont really fuq with you in the boonies
you can buy a place for 10k here in san diego if you look
if you drive an hour outside any city land is cheap ask east county real estate guys in san diego
PLEASE post a single example of what you consider a cheap land parcel that is buildable in east san diego county, where you might possibly live undetected in a bootleg dwelling in a non-permitted outbuilding as you describe.
LMAO
easy,
1 you look at every fucking listing
then you contact terry gold or some other fucker and ask him for listings
many land is not posted on websites
he has tons of lots 2 4 5 acres for 10 20 15k
i did this once retard
palomar fucking mountain has lots for 30k
like i said you fucking self finance the shit
or have cash on hand
there is so much fucking land in east county lol
your just a gay who does not get its way in the boonies
but highway 8 connects all of it
how its undetected most land has fucking private driveways
no they dont use sateelight fucking idiots
they dont have the resources for that
That's a lot of words just to say "trust me bro"...
You are so full of shit it's not even funny, I know that area well and the only places where you will find small buildable lots that cheap are in areas where the county keeps a very close watch on what goes on fore code violators, and will be all over your fantasy compound like stink on shit.
Otherwise you will face very large minimum lot sizes and as another anon pointed out, all kinds of red tape to build anything that wont immediately be shut down by code enforcement.
The only thing you know about east county and is where to buy the meth you are smoking.
the city allows you 2 years from when you start to build a house and they give you a habitation permit for trailer
that is if you really want a permit just tell them you started building a house and you post your trailer, pay county habitaiton permit and allowed
like you need to chill
>call real estate guy t
Whats a real estate guy?
No, really. You don't mean these realtors that sell houses?
there are dudes who deal in rural real estate
theyre incompetant yes, but you just ask for listings
, they actually never see any of the properties they do everything online,
here in san diego some guy name terry goldy does like a shiton of land offers,
remember they work for you
just ask for listings
if you buy they make money
also only do this if you have money or financing
Man I wish it was as simple as "if the land is available and you meet planning rules, you can build it" in the UK.
Shitloads of NIMBY-ism, cutting down mature trees is all but impossible, hard to build houses on agricultural land. That's before you even get to the really insane stuff; 100m's of unobstructed view out of the driveway, finding out that some cunt owns a 1m strip of land next to a road for miles and that they'll charge you £50,000 to buy the 7m*1m land needed for you to connect your drive to the main road.
.
That guy is either full of shit or retarded. Picrel are forms you need to submit and get approved before you can build a manufactured home on a private lot. And no, you can't reside in a commercial lot.
you moron, retards with a fifth grade eductaion do this on a daily basis
fucking retard
first off
all this is figured into the loan
yes the house is 60k
but if yyou have dirt lot
they have people that come in and clear it
they know septic guys
and they work with the city to hook up power
it takes like a day to put the house in with preperation
but they do most if not everything
the loan amount varies but it could be 100k with the house
but they will fucking finance retards
stop acting like its impossible
>cutting down mature trees is all but impossible
What's stopping you, do you gays have 'kinda old tree' registries that mandate inspection or something?
Yes. They fly drones here and there or observe pics from satellite if your property looks the same like two years ago. Aint bullshittin you.
Trees do die and there are many ways like drilling deep and discreetly then inserting the end of a handheld pump sprayer (they are not wide so your hole should not be either) and injecting soil sterilant.
As for CA, don't live there unless you are wealthy. Poors don't belong there.
You can hammer in load of copper spikes but it's going to take a long time before the tree dies
Quite literally, yes they do.
here in the usa you are allowed to clear 3 or 5 acres for building a house , if you have 30 acres they let you clear 5.
yes their are laws, but its for living so its not made impossible
yeah, I watched Clarkson's Farm. nightmare-inducing shit
you can STILL GET CHEAP LAND, just not near any good jobs/employment area's also other HOA's and townships or bigger WILL expand towards you if you have a semi-decent dirt/gravel road laid down, almost guaranteed to occur will have to be VERY FAR 50miles or farther for you to HOPE to retire there before people slowly use your access road as their jump off point for their own roads and you get kicked off your property for zoning/regulation reasons
2)Wells are NOT a good idea, also almost all the watersheds aka wells are drying up and being used up by farmers, towns, cities, and being shipped via waterpipes to other regions to make them/water companies money right now, hope you get/got an area that gets good rainfall and allows rainwater collection unlike Washington State and some other States/Regions
3) Trailer is a best option, just make sure you can easily jack up your trailer, remove the "support walls" and the wheels/suspension can be easily serviced/fixed so you can move at a moments notice
4) Incinerator toilet, seriously consider it, all waste reduced to ashes, NOT CONSIDERED HUMAN WASTE/BIO HAZARD, can even use it to salt your roads/driveway, much easier to get permits for that than a solid waste septic system(water from shower/sinks/washer if used right don't clogged up a septic system)
5) fence no go, everyone and their google maps, will show your property for cheap
BUT if you have the required footage of grass, MOST will approve your domicile now
(if solar/wind/water/gen is allowed for self-power)
Power(better to be non-gen, because hauling gas costs $$$, diesel, propane, oil, etc)
Water(rain water BEST if enough of it and cisterns allowed, well if local water table not destroyed/easy reach)
Waste(septic for liquid, incinerators(gas/electric) for human waste, cheaper than hauling waste/septic sucking services permits
Tall Antenna plus dish to get internet/cell coverage if legal
have box at post office for mail/address
yes the getting cheap land in the city is over
you have to realize the economy and the amount of people there are
this isnt fucking 1960
also land means buissness not fucking gay homstead shit
I would be fine living in a RV and a car garage but fuck having hillbilly redneck neighbors
Loiscences and shit.
Rules depend on location but PrepHole assumes every location is just like theirs.
Noob refuse to gib location because it uses more expensive letters to type, same with year/make/model on PrepHole.
Do your own homework and be thorough. Humans do generally live somewhere. Find out how, copy success, end of story. If someone makes an assertion of law you need to read the actual citation.
Zoning and local regulations/building codes would most likely prevent you from doing so. This is why tiny houses are built on trailers, having wheels makes it fall under a different category.
tiny houses are HEAVILY REGULATED in most towns and villages/townships/etc that have to deal with them and/or want to maintain property values
buy land, most cheap land is in bad farm land territory aka middle of no where, crap/no roads, crap/no utilities, and floodplain/tornado alley/desert/wasteland/etc
1)get road and/or access(can't dwell where you can't access it(cheap poor/rich bastard method of getting "extra" land you don't pay taxes for/on))
2) MOST States/federal rules require a certain square feet of "well tended grass" to be legally considered a domicile aka livable property(Grow that amount PLUS some square extra feet to cover your ass) doesn't have to be Kentucky Blue(unless for some reason it does stipulate that in that region)
3) WATER, most have allowances for CISTERNS aka underground/above ground holding tanks for water(underground if it has snowed/froze in the last century in that region/surrounding region, otherwise above ground with some basic foundation/gravel to prevent tanks sinking/cracking/breaking) sometimes you get lucky and there is a usable well near by on your property that isn't too shallow/poisoned, or you get enough rain(legal to collect rain too) to fill your cistern for your water needs(anywhere that requires you to hook up to local utilities is CLOSE to a township or greater, and you'll have to quickly upgrade to local ordinances or lose land/property as they build mcmansions/houses/apartments)
4) waste, liquid waste doesn't really gum up a septic system soo, dump all grease into grease buckets, recycle it in a bladder to make your own methane gas source for cooking/heating and get a robust electric system to run a electric-incinerator toilet(cheaper in the long run, also portable, low maintenance, ashes used instead of salt to remove ice, no solid human waste removal required) lots of easier/almost free permits to get this instead of other shit removal approved permits
5) electricity(depends on region)
here retards
this is campo
its sucks and its 1 20 minutes from downtown san diego here in 3 min i found this
know imagine asking for listings that are not on web
this by the way was listed
know imagine the ones not listed
aka cheaper
also this is a 600 700 a month payment even if its 60k
seriously stop with the nonsense
LMMFAO
4013 SQ FT for $65K = $705,556.93 per acre you fucking mong.
i dont have to prove anything i own 40 acres
where are you going to find a house for under 200k near a major city
that lot with a mobile home is 150k loan
thats a complete house
thats 1000 a month or 500 if you want to pay more interest
>where are you going to find a house for under 200k near a major city
$200K will buy you a *nice* complete, existing house all over the USA within 1.5 hrs of a major city, dingus
Ok buddy
Do it then
I did in 2010 and now it's worth 600k. Keep up your larp of buying a patch of desert in the middle of nowhere to build a cuckshed on
thats is actually not the point, the cuck shed is a great way to save money, also you did somehting because of interest rates lol. that is long gone
also im merely describing a way to live frugaly and withought paying the gov until u save to build a house
ESL
ESL
ESL
i got a low interest loan and bought a house at 300 400k and it went up in value to 600k , in your face i did somthing
the interest is 7 do it again
lets see how much luck you dont have
i own 37 acres and cuck shed, tell me is that a bad thing, i have a well and i am starting my farm
Dude that lot is in san diego where rural houses sell for 400k 600k
fin you want to do this
this is still san diego
1.30 from downtown
>unlivable desert 1h30 from supplies of any kind
You should live here.
1 the city is 1 hr 30 min away retard
thats fucking close as shit
think alaska where shits 2 days away
2the town of boulevard is 10 min away
the golden nugget casino is 15 min away
viejas casino with a mall is 35 min away
you are a child
this isnt fucking 1990 or 1960
try buying a house today lol
minumum 400k
Zoned S92-
>Various applications of the S92 Use Regulations with appropriate development designators can
create or protect areas suitable for low intensity recreational uses, residences on ***very large
parcels***, animal grazing, and other uses consistent with the intent of this Section.
>Zoning Use Regulation: S92
Minimum Lot Size: 8 acre(s)
If there's a Multiple Rural Use designation you can go with a density of 1 dwelling unit per 4 acres, but you still have to do it on an 8 acre lot.
I know people in this exact area who are off the beaten path, have owned their property for 40+ years and tried adding a tiny dwelling unit on an 8 acre parcel and the county shut them down hard and so fast it would nake your empty head spin; they are very serious about minimum lot sizes in rural areas of SD County and yes, they pay people to look for this shit, use aerial surveillance, and have heard of Google Earth. It's not the Sahara Desert, the entire fucking county is less than 3950 Sq mi of land area and east county is a tiny portion of that.
PRO TIP: just because some listing alludes to building a dream home on a particular offering doesn't mean it can happen without shit tons of red tape and EXPENSE.
Also that is NOT a cheap price for land when you look outside of that area.
Lol no they dont. Also s 92 is a farm lot with a house. The red tape is u cant build tiny homes. Only real homes
if you build a house in julian
you can easily sell it for more than double
are expensive
>>land is cheapish
Where the FUCK is this true except some literally who country place
seems true where I'm at, plenty of land for <$10k/acre and even <$2k/acre in some places
as long as you aren't in the city or a suburb I'd imagine it's the case that the land is cheaper than the home
homes have both the actual house itself and access to utilities, which land doesn't always come with
>except some literally who country place
There sure are a lot of city rats on PrepHole these days
you guys have to realize
tiny homes are not allowed by themsleves
they fucking hate millenials
the world gov that is
so no tiny homes on single lots
they are considered accesory dwellings or adu
in other words
you can only have one as ann accessory to the main house
then you can rent out and live in it
lol only if you have a main house like 3 times as big, look it up
trailers are also not allowed unless your building for a house
the only real thing allowed is mobile manufactured
the real red tape in building a real home
is you need a septic and well
this alone is like 100k that is the red tape
why are you guys acting like living in the city is even affordable, as long as you can commute a few hours to main city, you can load up on supplies, sell shit , come back home
i keep saying
this isnt fucking 1990
if you want to live in the city or suburban landscape
its just not a thing many of you can even do withought living with people or just being plain pooor
i mean its not a appartment downtown
but its economically feaseble and you can raise a family on it with freedomds such as bike riding.
i get living in the city is cool, but its making people meek in their lifestyle
you have to adapt
>just commute lol
Commuting 90 minutes one way is like $10-15 in gas each way. Tolls and depreciation on the car will add another $20-30 per trip. You can easily end up spending $50+ per day on commute.
90 minutes is 3 hours added to your work day everyday. used to not think about it like that but now that I have my own welding business my hours clock starts the moment I walk out of my house to my shop to load whatever I will need onto my truck and stops when I walk back into my house.
and this is why i gotta wrassle with the chinese for cheap welding shit
just buy the used shit from the 80-90s its just as good as new for cheap all you really need is an engine driven stick welder generator and a cutting torch set
>land is cheap
where the fuck do you live, Somalia?
South Carolina and have lived in GA and SC. Tax sales etc and private sellers wanting to owner finance to make more money are ways to get deals. My first property was owner financed therefore invisible on a credit report. My second was VA guaranteed and being the first was invisible easy to do. Both are paid off now and renovated (DIY is life).
My rule is buy where slow but inexorable growth will gradually make the property worth more while not driving taxes through the roof. Not hard but does require relentless hunting and relentless study both of which are fun.
A fucked up house that's not condemned can work well in many areas. There was one on my property we renovated as a guest house/rental that was so rough it wasn't included in the sales price. The water and septic were grandfathered. Every detail matters so always have a plat map printed by the county to show every relevant easement lest ye get bit in the ass.
it is cheap, its the endless dirt roads
and lack of utilites make extremely unapealing to everyone lol
its hard work
lol most of the times when i go east of town
all you see is boomers and redneck oh and mexicans lol
the only people that can deal with it
i will also add that shit has changed from know on
elon musk launching his internet service
is such a game changer
my brother took it to my proerty in the boonies and we were getting 100gb per min
then he took it to my parents house in mexico he was gettin200gb
this is why rural is know sorta an alternative
you can know run a full buisnnes off grid wwith solar panels and a laptop
also fucking solar panels and batteries are fucking cheap know
satalite internet was always an option it just got a bad name because people would buy the shit packages then complain about it
That's a lie. No one provided gigabit internet to the planet. I said we were 2gb in flicking rural Mexico.
yes they did you just had to pay for it. people use it on rvs and boats all the time. poorfags would always buy the cheapest package possible then complain that it was slow so it got a bad name. satellite highspeed internet was a thing since the early 2000s
It sounds like you never used the old satellite internet. One issue was that speeds actually were initally pretty good in the beginning but as more and more people signed up for the service, the limited network infrastructure was shared amongst more and more users and speeds went to shit.
The other factor was that the 1-2second ping time made it a fucking pain for use with video calls (a big part of many work from home jobs)
The reliability was also pretty poor, and its unsurprising that many WFH jobs explicitly require you to have a high speed internet connection that ISNT satellite.
being on 24/7 video is something that happened in the last 10 years
before that no one ever used video to do business they just talked on the phone
well yes but you still needed a high speed connection
and more than that
it had to be reliable, those fucking satelights would cut out in bad weather,
its such a diff thing
i actually will say that a ton more americans will eventually be moving out of the cities,
like you said normies
normies know have gigabit internet
im not promoting
im merely saying what a game changer its going to be
in fact did you pay any attention in the ukraine conflict when it began
weather that guy is real or not
its changed everything know
imagine being in fucking rural alaska
zooming skyping your family
every day from your phone
9/10 bait OP.
1: no bank/credit union will give you a loan for vacant undeveloped non-farming land. Even if it's only 30k~ you'll need it all up front, as well as a extra 5-20% for taxes, lawyers fees, etc.
2: cheap land is cheap because it's shit. could be because it's too small to build on to code (see 3), no services like water/electricity/internet/cellular, impractical/illegal to build on, or being impractical to access
3: regardless of where you are, you will need to build up to some sort of code or IRL jannies will evict you and knock your shit shack down.
4: you are not talented enough to do basically any of this by yourself, the fact you're stupid enough to ask if you can is proof of your ineptitude
if you actually want to live on a useless lot in the middle of nowhere with no services, the easiest way is to buy the land and park a RV on it. you'll get no pushback from whatever backwater municipality you park it in. then you can #vanlife by your lonesome without the internet and maybe put up a prefab shed to store other things and some solar kits so you have power.
rural counties absolute regulate where you can park an RV and/or live in an RV, probably more than tiny homes
and RVs cost a fuckload, enough to make a big down payment on a house
>rural counties absolute regulate where you can park an RV and/or live in an RV, probably more than tiny homes
since when? i see shit rvs parked in empty lots all the time while trucking throughout muttlandia, especially in the south
>and RVs cost a fuckload, enough to make a big down payment on a house
if all you care about is shelter, they can be cheap. used camper trailers and RVs can be had for 5k~
>since when?
not that anon, but it really depends on the area. There's a lot of places that have already gone through a boom cycle with RVer and semihomeless people and have developed more strict enforcement about the RV thing.
I've been a lot of places in rural Georgia and SC and old shitty RVs were not an uncommon sight and noone gave a fuck, but people say that they're strict about them in rural Florida because they've had such a problem with them.
Already a case study for ultra cheap usable house build with compliance to the code.
Material - cement stabilized compressed earth bricks.
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Seed_Home_v2
https://www.opensourceecology.org/2022-product-release-of-the-seed-eco-home-2/
Hey anon, I've purchased rural land and I'm in the process of building a house so I can give you some insight:
- Good land is hard to find. It took me a year to find a decent 8acre lot in a rural area. You need power, soil suitable for septic, a level homesite, zoning to build, nearby roads for travel/materials, non-methhead neighbors, etc. Not much of that exists in the U.S. surprisingly.
- Zoning/Local Regulations/Covenants will restrict your home size to probably 800-1200sqft.
- Most of the cost of building will be clearing, well, septic, grading, permits, running electric, and foundation. These will all cost the same regardless of home size, so you might as well build something more appropriate.
- If it's rural, it's likely not near you right now. So you won't be able to build it yourself (assuming you even have the skills/time). So you will need to hire a contractor, who will be hard to find, and likely won't take on your tiny project.
Keep in mind my "good" land (nothing is actually good anymore, all of the boomers got it for cheap, and you're now priced out) is still $10k+ per acre. You will need ~$300k to build a decent little home on a decent little parcel in a low cost of living area. Maybe $200k if you get a small plot, do ALL of the work yourself, and keep it really simple.
at this point I think living in something you can drive is the easier option. I just need a space to lay flat inside the car and have an IV inject me with nutrients and some kind of VR setup that lets me forget reality while Im laying down