Hostomel

I still can't believe how much of a stupid fricking plan this was. Were they just expecting Zelensky to jump off a bridge in Kiev because a cargo runway got taken over?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >drops paratroopers 100 miles from the front line without any support
    this was when I knew something was deeply wrong with russia's plan

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ah, memories

      I saved this epic maymay on Feburary 26th, might post some more early war VDV memes for the nostalgia

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      plan?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek sounds like me when my dumbass first tried to do a HOI4 run.
      >what do you mean I can't use the paratroopers to take that port? I want it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >100 miles
      is it really that far? I can understand if it was fairly close to border but holy frick. they sent those goys to die

    • 11 months ago
      Aoymous

      I knew it when I saw that video with russian helicopters crossing some river or lake and half of them getting casually shot down just like that

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        % chance Koko didn't say anything about nipples and its just the director getting off to a weird ape'd fetish?

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 it was military textbook operation VDV won and achieved all objects cope

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Were they just expecting Zelensky to jump off a bridge in Kiev because a cargo runway got taken over?
    unironically yeah

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does some kind anon have the source for those pictures of dead vatBlack folk talking up a big game on social media before going to war then getting pasted in Ukraine? thanks

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's really kinda funny just how quickly things fell apart for Russia.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      KA-52 forced down on Feburary 24th, probably part of the very first wave

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The first helicopter assault waves were kino as frick

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that other helicopter that's like 5 fricking feet above the water for the whole video
          Holy shit did it actually touch the water at one point?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes I'm pretty sure the nose smacked the water at one point and he was able to pull up

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >stupid fricking plan
            Broadly-speaking, it was a good plan, it just wasn't executed well.

            Capturing an airfield and bringing in reinforcements is a tactic that has existed for as long as paratroopers have.

            looks like
            not that it's an uncommon occurrence with chopper pilots, mind you

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              not when your enemy controls the ground a) around the airport and b) between the airport and the border

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Airstrikes were supposed to neutralise AFU resistance, but they failed

                Which is a pity. I'd have loved to see S300s raping Antonovs wholesale

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                shoulder launchers could have taken down the low flying transports, heavy MGs. i can't understand wtf they were thinking, it made no sense

                I can only assume they thought/hoped the ukies would just lay down arms and run

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I can only assume they thought/hoped the ukies would just lay down arms and run
                apparrently the whole invasion was based on this assumption since the FSB convinced putin that the ukranian people would greet the russian army as liberators

                this is what happens when you start believing your own propaganda

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shoulder launchers could have taken down the low flying transports
                Too many survivors
                I want Antonovs blowing up suddenly at 10,000 feet as they make their approach run

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            helicopter pilots are a different breed, you'd have to be insane to pilot and aircraft where your wings are above you rotating at 400RPM

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They actually lost quite a bit more than that according to an after-battle report made by a Ukraine Youtuber in English. They showed evidence for 2-3 destroyed Ka-52s and one Mi-28 plus a few Mi-8s.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some autist geolocated all the Kyiv 2022 losses. They lost at least 5 helicopters near Hostomel.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I love that video. Imagine being a VDV operator on that helicopter that tried to fly low and dives straight into water

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dunno why people shit on the Maxim. It's a good weapon. As long as you got water and ammo, it'll keep firing. Hell, the Ukrainians slap stocks and suppressors on them and finish with an optic. I've tried to snipe with a DP-29 on Enlisted (not max starred tho) and it's so fricking shit but maybe the Maxim is better.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s embarrassing because if all the chest pounding Russia has done claiming to be the second best army...who are then forced to use equipment older than the soviet union

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh for sure but at least at that point those were for 'garrison units'. The hilarity is they're now frontline weapons. Still, a .30cal is a 30cal is a 30cal and I would rather have a Maxim in an emplacement on my trench line than not. This isn't be defending Russia, just stating that at this point, Russia is so fricked that a Maxim is a fricking god send. Which is why Priggy hailed the 'capture' of hundreds of WW2 weapons from Ukraine.

          My favourite meme weapon of the war (outside of the modified Maxim and the Snipex Alligator) is that HMG the mad lads in Bakhmut made out of a BMP autocannon. Literally just a 30mm autocannon they strap into like some sci-fi suit and have a guy hold them while t hey do 1-2 shots. I feel sorry for the Wagners (sort of) who charge these positions, hide behind a brick wall that would stop 12.7mm and then get brained by a 30mm through it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I feel sorry for the Wagners (sort of) who charge these positions, hide behind a brick wall that would stop 12.7mm and then get brained by a 30mm through it.
            Is Grandma's vatnik borscht recipe

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine waking up one morning and hearing that some Ukrainian madlads strapped a Shipunov autocannon to a drone, flew it to Moscow and blew Putin's balls off through twenty-seven walls of his mansion

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              A man can dream. Sadly I think killing Putin would make things worse, not better.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      never buy chink tires of alibaba for your 4 million dollar meme truck

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus christ

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    And there was this incident with HOMO

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the biggest piece of evidence that the Russians really actually thought that they had compromised the Ukrainian government and military enough to take over without fighting. They expected to be able to just show up at an airfield with no resistance. They expected their riot cops to be able to get into Kiev and arrest any government holdouts because there would be no one opposing them. They expected that truck full of marching band instruments to deliver its load to a victory parade on day 4 of the 3 day operation.
      Their glowies lied to them and blew their conversion budget (if they were smart, on foreign real estate in places where polonium is scarce) because they didn't expect anything to actually happen. Their leaders bought the lie and fed it up the chain unquestioningly because bearers of good news get rewards in monkeville.
      Then they marched directly into a wall made of reality and were completely unprepared since they didn't even tell their grunts or the officers leading them what they were doing in the first place.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No anon. The biggest piece of evidence was Arestovych (and multiple poorly sourced reports on twitter) that the Russians booked restaurants in Kyiv to hold big parties under the assumption they'd win in a few days.

        Now THAT is hubris.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        RUSI did a paper on that. They had compromised most of Ukraine but not enough to do it successfully and the attack was riddled with issues. There were success, obviously, but it wasn't as complete as they hoped. However one success was that huge amounts of military aircraft and troop transports - easy prey for the AA systems Ukraine had at that time - were NOT targeted despite possible locks because the command feared 'escalation' and had hoped this was all a mistake/miscommunication etc etc. Had Ukraine listened to UK and USA instead of France and Germany (and Ireland and loads of other EU states) over the imminent invasion and went full balls to the walls in attacking Russia, then the war would have gone a lot differently. They also successfully got the region commander on the border of occupied Crimea to turncoat and hand over the paths through minefields and shit. Had that not happened and units weren't told to stand down, they would have shredded a lot of Russians before being pushed back.

        The entire war failed because Putin (and his commanders) believed they had done 'enough' combined with a strong military invasion to just scare Ukraine into surrender. None of them had planned for an actual war (and this is backed up by the captured timetables which assumed Kiev falls within 3 days and sporadic resistance fighting/COIN for a few months).

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Very good!
          The hubris goes even deeper. The 40km line of armor that stopped near Kyiv was because of overwhelming Ukie defense. But the Russians didn't ship enough fuel to get the vehicles further than 3 days. So vehicles sat with ammo and no way to fight forward. Then the Russians ran out of food because they only carried little.
          Meanwhile whichever units that had fuel and fought were being shot with javelins by Ukrainians with ATVs running about.
          So a bunch of the vehicles were abandoned, the Russians didn't field destroy them. The Ukies later took them over.
          The Russians left and marched back to fricking wherever they came from like Belarus.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They believed they could march the army in to either silence or fanfare like Germany did Austria in 1937. In this they were wrong.

        RUSI did a paper on that. They had compromised most of Ukraine but not enough to do it successfully and the attack was riddled with issues. There were success, obviously, but it wasn't as complete as they hoped. However one success was that huge amounts of military aircraft and troop transports - easy prey for the AA systems Ukraine had at that time - were NOT targeted despite possible locks because the command feared 'escalation' and had hoped this was all a mistake/miscommunication etc etc. Had Ukraine listened to UK and USA instead of France and Germany (and Ireland and loads of other EU states) over the imminent invasion and went full balls to the walls in attacking Russia, then the war would have gone a lot differently. They also successfully got the region commander on the border of occupied Crimea to turncoat and hand over the paths through minefields and shit. Had that not happened and units weren't told to stand down, they would have shredded a lot of Russians before being pushed back.

        The entire war failed because Putin (and his commanders) believed they had done 'enough' combined with a strong military invasion to just scare Ukraine into surrender. None of them had planned for an actual war (and this is backed up by the captured timetables which assumed Kiev falls within 3 days and sporadic resistance fighting/COIN for a few months).

        Do you happen to have that video of the huge destroyed Ukrainian convoy in the south from the first few weeks? That was pretty emblematic of how close things had gotten in that front. I remember advance elements were driving around to sever commmunications from Mykolaiv and Odesa before they got checked at Vosnesensk.

        One wonders if things would have gone better or worse if the Ukrainian military had properly mobilised and assumed posture.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Makes me wonder if the Afghanistan pullout being a complete shitshow just months earlier emboldened Russia's top brass.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The west's complete non reaction to 2014 and Georgia is probably what did it. Pulling out of A-stan should imply a redirection of aims elsewhere.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, eXile did a great piece on why this war happened the way it did.
          http://exiledonline.com/baldfellas-how-belaruss-failed-regime-change-movement-shaped-putins-war-plan/
          tl;dr: Poroshenko fricking despises Putin, but the attempt to Maidan Poroshenko with glowie ass Tsikhanouskaya pushed Poroshenko back into Putin's arms, but knowing Poroshenko is essentially Bipolar and would quickly run back to "neutral" or even west leaning, Putin knew he one one small window to act.
          Hilarious thing is Poroshenko now is right back to shittalking Putin, calling him a Warmonger constantly.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hostomel was the better covered battle, but the real VDV roflstomp was done at Vasylkiv Airbase. They tried landing on the active runway after a failed missile saturation attack and got destroyed in the open by Ukie airmen and pilots fighting on the ground.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw you'll never taxi out to the runway in a jet to run down vdv stranded in the open
      Surely someone at least considered it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That almost happened! This information came to me from a Ukranian airman who was there and was speaking to the US Air Force about some of the lessons learned (he died a few months later, RIP "Panther") but right as word got out the invasion was happening the base commander ordered all the serviceable migs airborne regardless of mission tasking, so they all survived the initial missile spam- think back to day one when all those videos were coming out about mig 29s "dogfighting" right off the deck when in actuality they were trying to jink incoming threats. This is also where the Ghost of Kyiv meme started.
        Anyways so the VDV drop in and all hell is breaking loose, when all the airborne migs finally winchester and head back to the base. The airmen push to retake the control tower which had been abandoned to talk the migs on station and a couple of them did gun runs blind over open sights on their own airfield, if you can believe that

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >videos were coming out about mig 29s "dogfighting" right off the deck
          I've never seen those
          post em if you got em

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've been saving neat media since the beginning of the war.
            https://matrix-archive.evulid.cc/r/media-ukraine-war:evulid.cc/
            scroll up to the top and work your way down, the videos you want are in there somewhere.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Bless you anon!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                <3

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe from a different airfield but this clip was like something straight out of the battle of britain film

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was a good plan and would have worked if the Ukrainians didn't litter the airstrip with old trucks and buses.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      no it wasn't,they could've shot down the slow giant resupply aircraft easily

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were expecting reinforcements behind every bush because of their own moronic propaganda

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They pulled it off a few times when backstabbing allies during the cold war and thought it was a good plan outside of that situation.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are two chopper wrecks visible on Google Maps right on the tarmac itself
    50.59476492466724, 30.20338064080997

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Worst case scenario it ended like Operation Market Garden, best case it ended like Operation Danube. The plan seemed solid enough, and the VDV did take the airport. Issues came when Ukrainian TDF harassed the VDV enough to delay any additional landings. Buying time for the Ukrainians to position artillery to hit the airfield and deny its use. All of that could have been survived by the Russians, but the stall of the main force meant the entire airborne element was wasted. It was a big gamble and had it paid off then the war could have been a quick one with Russian victory.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >had it paid off then the war could have been a quick one with Russian victory
      Even if the main force had landed, there's no guarantee it would have defeated the Ukrainians

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        If the Kyiv-bound convoy didn't pileup and airborne forces shuttled into the airport, that's a pretty significant force to stop. If they were able to breakout away from the main roads then they can encircle the capital.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Two big IFs.
          >If the Kyiv-bound convoy didn't pileup
          but it did, because there were AFU forces in the way and attacking its supply route
          >and airborne forces shuttled into the airport
          even if they landed, they'd only have been a larger force of light infantry. definitely much more trouble than the heli assault element, but still without tanks and artillery
          >then they can encircle the capital
          nah, not likely
          even adding the column pushing from Sumy the AFU still had more troops in the area

          it's the capital after all, every nation with a proper army is prepared for a decapitating strike

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Worst case scenario it ended like Operation Market Garden
      You mean has everything that could have gone wrong goes wrong and literally nearly pull it off anyway? While massively damaging the recuperating units and dragging vital systems away from the Eastern front out of fear of another attempt elsewhere? Market Garden was one of those failures that had lots of positives despite the absolutely absurd bad luck that hindered them. It would have saved so many lives had it worked... Or another way to look at it, the fact it failed meant more Russians died attacking Berlin... but then more Germans got raped and murdered. And Russians got hold of key tech and shit. Market Garden is one of those things I really wish had worked and it so nearly did. Literally take one of the bad luck events out and it would probably have worked.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Both were well-planned and practiced. With hopes that the surprise would overwhelm an enemy already believed to be demoralized.
        Had they succeeded then it cuts the war short, but a few snags resulted in overall failure. Namely the armored units couldn't push up to all of their objectives; and when the final goal means you must take all objectives leading to it (or else you're cut off) any delay jeopardizes the outcome. Any plan where "everything must go perfect" sounds too risky to me.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I guess but had there not been recent reinforcements in the area, not misidentification of how many tanks were in the area and a few other things, I think even without the link up delays they could have done it. As the saying goes 'A bridge too far'. One bridge. I just feel incredibly sad because it meant thousands more had to die instead of essentially ending it right there. Same shit as this war. On the one hand, had Russia pulled it off, there would probably be fewer deaths. They'd still have tortured people to death and shit but they're doing that anyway. But Russia can't be allowed to win shit or gain anything from this.

          Which is why I am furious with France being YET AGAIN the nation demanding Ukraine surrender and stating that they should agree to the peace deal China put forward if the counter-offensive fails. But then again, France is basically kompromat right now. They're siding with China and said Europe shouldn't help USA if China invades Taiwan and USA is the war hawk here. So on top of saying Ukraine should surrender twice (which they deny of course) and saying that NATO should admit that we started the war, he wants Ukraine to surrender if there isn't overwhelming success. Meanwhile he has donated basically nothing to Ukraine.

          I read an article from the Bong's which said that France and China are trying to give Russia a win and that if the counter-offensive doesn't work as well as hoped, the nations that have supported Ukraine should double down and help even more. Well I hope so but UK basically is too poorcompared to USA to help. So that leaves USA as the only nation with the stocks and infrastructure to deal with it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            France is in the thick of a socioeconomic crisis, they have immediate and selfish reason to ask for a ceasefire.

            The British are in the midst of modernising an army hamstrung by rising costs, mismanaged recruitment and the GWOT, they're not able to fund both their army and Ukraine at once.

            If they pulled their finger out Europe could do it without the US, but it would need a joint effort.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Issues with the Bongs seems to be they rely on other nations to do shit that gets things fricked. Ajax being ear raping because the Spanish welded it shit. Their carrier breaking because the French company that did the parts fricked up (and is trying to say they didn't and I think were in the shit for other issues too). Not saying Bongs are incompetent but there is a lot of connected dots here making it worse. They have their own issues and yet still help out Ukraine. I wish my country (Ireland) gave a shit. Instead we have mongs who said that NATO is at fault for being aggressive to Russia and they were in 'defensive postures' in Feb 2022 and not 'organised for war'. I just get angry with France saying 'dude surrender lmaaaaaaao' over and over and trying to blame NATO for the war. Not that Ireland is in NATO lmao, but I respect it and don't think NATO did anything.

              In this conflict a quick resolution was the worst outcome (unless it was Russia withdrawing after initial failure) I've reached the point where I view Russia much like Germany in WW2. A force which needs to be stopped, conquered, and systemically undone. The Russian people have been lied to for so long that they have a warped view of reality. Simply inflicting defeat upon them is not enough because they will still believe they were right and rearm to try again.
              France should realize the position Ukraine is in. Surrender is not an option, thankfully other nations stand by the defenders (No wonder why Poland is so vocal in their support.) Support has been enough to keep Ukraine in the fight but ultimately NATO needs to get involved and push the aggressor back to their borders and post-war the UN/ICC needs to get involved in holding individuals responsible. And in helping Russians undo the indoctrination and rejoin the international community.

              It's just dumb, especially when post WW2 lots of nations helped out France in getting their colonies back. UK went to war with Vietnam in 1945-46 along with India to get it back for France. Imagine they just went 'lmao just surrender bro'.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                aren't incompetent, i should say.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Issues with the Bongs seems to be they
                have difficulty pulling their finger out, when not at war; they're dreadfully indecisive
                >Ajax being ear raping because the Spanish welded
                earrape isn't the problem; vibration is, and part of the reason is that Ajax is overloaded
                supposedly they have that sorted now though
                >Their carrier breaking
                also a small matter; PoW will be sailing come September
                >I wish my country (Ireland) gave a shit. Instead we have mongs who said that NATO is at fault for being aggressive to Russia
                If there's anything the Irish can do, given your limited size and budget, it's to properly police what's left of the 'RA and quit bellyaching over the RAF and RN having to pass through Irish airspace / waters to track Russian incursions

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            In this conflict a quick resolution was the worst outcome (unless it was Russia withdrawing after initial failure) I've reached the point where I view Russia much like Germany in WW2. A force which needs to be stopped, conquered, and systemically undone. The Russian people have been lied to for so long that they have a warped view of reality. Simply inflicting defeat upon them is not enough because they will still believe they were right and rearm to try again.
            France should realize the position Ukraine is in. Surrender is not an option, thankfully other nations stand by the defenders (No wonder why Poland is so vocal in their support.) Support has been enough to keep Ukraine in the fight but ultimately NATO needs to get involved and push the aggressor back to their borders and post-war the UN/ICC needs to get involved in holding individuals responsible. And in helping Russians undo the indoctrination and rejoin the international community.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            maybe if the brits spent that £100k on something other than sucking off their geriatric new king for a day they wouldn’t be poor

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're not poor. That isn't the issue. The issue is there isn't the space to mass build stuff that is required for this kind of war. It's a small island. USA has fricking thousands of square km they can build stuff in if they need to. Also the Royal Family saves the Bongs like £5 on their tax bill each because they bring in like £500m a year in tourism. The Royal Wedding made them billions for example. So will this.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                a nice get wasted on an idiot addicted to the taste of monarchist wiener

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >checked
                Largely true.
                The British Isles lack resources and British tech is advanced, but not enough to be competitive (ie capable of defeating California).

                And the Royal Family not only is actually a net income to the nation, it has great morale value. If not for the cachet of Empire, the British Armed Forces would be even smaller and worse-equipped than it is today.

                a nice get wasted on an idiot addicted to the taste of monarchist wiener

                Pea brain.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                We are poor, from decades of appeasing pensioners and nimbys. The people holding back our economic competitiveness. But...

                maybe if the brits spent that £100k on something other than sucking off their geriatric new king for a day they wouldn’t be poor

                nibba the monarchy has frick all to do with anything, maximum burgerposting

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nimbys
                was ist?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not in my backyard

                people who just oppose developments, housing, infrastructure, industry, business just out of kneejerk bullshit

                Its endemic in the uk and everybody is significantly poorer because of it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Not in my backyard
                ahhh yes
                I wasn't familiar with the abbreviated form
                >just out of kneejerk bullshit
                precisely
                most of the time it's just debby-downer pigheadedness

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Space
                homie what, there's plenty of space to set up manufacturing, WW1 and WW2 we're far more intense and all that shit was produced domestically. Half the industrial cities still have all the factories and warehouses sitting there abandoned because most of the nations manufacturing was shipped overseas and we became a service economy.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Which is why I am furious with France being YET AGAIN the nation demanding Ukraine surrender and stating that they should agree to the peace deal China put forward if the counter-offensive fails.
            Wut? Source?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Macron along with Trudeau are representative of a rising tend of illiberal liberals in the West, ones who like dictatorships unless the PR is so bad they have to turn against them (see China). And I don't mean "Oh liberals who want a stronger central government are fascists" I mean full on they believe they have absolute power. Someone with delusions and self-aggrandizing to call themselves Jupiter is not someone who believes in democracy and checks and balances and all that. So it doesn't surprise me that France is trying to be duplicitous and kiss ass with China and Russia. Doubly so when they smart from the submarine deal. So frick em.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      VDV never held the airport, they contested it and held areas but the TDF never left.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Medvedchuk lied to Putin and convinced him that all Ukrainians love him and want Zelensky gone, it was all meant to be simple and bloodless regime change, not a military operation

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    when i saw this video of the VDV splattered all over the street with buttoned up ukrainian operators walking around with their head on a swivel with radios going crazy in the background i knew this was going to be a shit show of historic proportions

    the invasion went from zero to grozny in under 72 hours.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      For me it was the picture of a Ukrainian showing off his brand new AS VAL with a dead zigger in the background. I don't know if it was the first thing that made me start to realize this wouldn't be a flawless stomp for Russia but it's what sticks in my mind the most.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It really was an iconic photo for the early days.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >when [..] i knew this was going to be a shit show of historic proportions
      that was a nearly surreal feeling for me because I had just finished reading a 2014 published book about the settings in-universe NATO equivalent sending military advisors/intelligence people to help what essentially amounts to organized crime groups prepare for defensive urban warfare against their oppressive government, and Ukraine-Russia war was referenced in the historical background lore (Asian confederacy = Russia + China), and Russia has several time referenced the biolabs and Ukrainian super soldiers.
      >Earth's Final War was the last great armed conflict fought by humans on their home planet of Earth.

      >In the late first millennium of the Diaspora of Man, the Slav Supremacists of Ukraine decided to create a superior human. Their genetic laboratories produced a line of "super soldiers" with enhanced strength, better reflexes, faster healing, and (allegedly) enhanced intelligence. These soldiers were then used to attack other nations in an attempt to gain dominion over the planet.

      >At this point, the Confederacy was in the process of defeating the Ukrainians, but the chaos and political infighting after the coup turned the war in Europe around. The Western European nations had been busy genetically modifying diseases such as anthrax, botulism, bubonic plague, meningitis, typhus, cholera, and the Ebola virus. Having integrated "kill switches" and stockpiled disease-specific vaccines, they believed themselves to be safe and employed the weaponized diseases against the Asians. Initially, they had almost exactly the desired effect, but after three T-years the pathogens started spreading and mutating among the civilian population, and eventually found their way back to Europe, largely immune to the vaccines their creators expected to protect them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      For me it was the convoy. It was already clear that things were going badly for russia, but for me the convoy confirmed that corruption and incompetence at every level had rendered the russian military ineffective and essentially on par with Ukraine, with Ukraine actually being superior in several respects.

      I just wonder what the russian military will look like after this war. How long will it take for them to rearm, and to what extent will they be modernized? Worst case scenario for them is they become germany tier or somehow even worse, best case is they get close to what they were before feb 24th.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were expecting a repeat of Hungary or Czechoslovakia, both of which took only a few days, followed by months of secret police arresting and murdering people.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Invading a 50 million ppl country full of ultra nationalists with 200k soldiers

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were blinded by their success in 2014 and expected a repeat of the poor response then. its dumb in hindsight, but analysts outside russia didnt expect what happened either.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    does the VDV do anything these days? besides acting as marginally better trained infantry?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      getting fricked up by artillery in forests or providing artillery support in bakhmut. just recently a BMD-1 was destroyed so they're somewhere out there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. Similar shit happened with Russian special forces, they used them as normal infantry because their normal infantry is shit. It doesn't matter how well trained you are, if you get put up against an armored unit and you're equipped like light infantry you have a high chance to get fricked up. I'm pretty sure VDV got thrown into Bakhmut to reinforce Wagner, not that it really means much cause the casualty rates were so high for them they're "elite" in name only. Similar issue with the 155th.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >does the VDV do anything these days?
      nothing special, russia can't afford to lose any more of their trained soldiers but they also can't afford to not use them so they basically get deployed to hotspots and told to hold the line.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gostomel Vibes, tovarisch

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't a stupid plan in itself, they were let down by their trash logistical system that prevented their armor from securing it for good.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      yea if they were able to secure the air field and get those some-4k troops in the An planes into kiev, it would have been over frankly.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it changes much tbh. Remember that yook air defenses were suppressed and moving but not destroyed, and Russia can't do SEAD/DEAD plus the airstrip was taken offline by heavy damage. If the VDV held the airport and didn't get pushed off those landing ops plus the airstrip remained usable I think they'd still be threatened by SAMs once the initial chaos calmed down which would cause losses and make landing ops that deep pretty untenable. I think they key factor is the follow on forces from Belarus getting bogged down. Airport or not those units had such an issue even getting close to the capitol it was doomed to fail either way.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      are we sure the wagon train wasn't sitting still because they had nowhere to go?

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't a terrible plan. Well, their intelligence was awful so it kind of was, but the principle behind it was sound. Then you just have the utter hilarity that is Russian execution of the plan.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It wasn't a terrible plan
      Yeah, securing critical locations is what paratroopers are supposed to do. The problem is that the VDV were the only decent soldiers in the entire russian army and probably the only ones not selling the copper wiring from their vehicles for vodka.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me its the Chornobaivka raids.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hybris and corruption. It has been discussed widely, not sure why you need to read this again

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    hindsight is 20/20

    War is not a RTS controled by a single person from a birds eye view.
    The plan was overly optimistic, but not completely unrealistic. 2014 Uraine gave up crimea withou firing a shot and even day before the invasion everyone (including west and Ukraine public itself) was afraid that Kiev will fall in days.

    It was a perfect storm of Russians not really expecting any oposition (no clear plan or supplies) and Ukranians being not only willing but also able to fight.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They expected their Intel to be accurate, and that their initial missile attacks to have crippled Ukrainian C&C and air defenses. They wanted their cool great value desert storm where they'd SEAD Kiev, crate a safe air corridor, take the airport just as their army made it to the city, fly in soldiers and equipment unopposed, sweep into Kiev and depose zelensky in a week tops. But unfortunately for them the Ukes probably got a heads up from the NATO Intel spooks that they needed to shuffle all their deployments, probably with only like an hour of notice too. That fumble on the first night probably cost Russia the entire operation.

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