Honestly Soledar appears to have shown how WEAK the Russian military has become

They threw pretty much a ton of cannon fodder at a weak point in the Ukrainian lines, firing a ton of artillery too.

What happened? The Ukrainians appear to be HOLDING them back. This is a tiny-as-fuck mining village, and the Ukrainian military (pictured here) is holding them back.

Every time the Russians have a "victory", the Ukrainians get stronger as the Russians get weaker. At Mariupol, a ton of Ukrainians got trapped. At Severodonetsk, the Ukrainian military escaped. At Soledar, the Ukrainians stood and outright traded BLOWS with such a massive amount of Russians.

See a pattern? Every time the Ukrainians and Russians seriously clash, the Russians have to downgrade their goals (major city, to smaller city, to fucking VILLAGE).

Ukrainian technological superiority is beginning to take its toll on Russian forces for sure, negating their manpower advantage.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting uniform

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love the sheer variation in Ukrainian gear and uniforms. It could easily fill up an entire book with a title like, "Ukraine War: Uniforms And Equipment Of The Ukrainian Military."

      (Cue the inevitable Osprey title).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The shoes on the guy on the right
        Tell me about this man

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Greek I think.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Greek. There was a notable Greek minority in southern Ukraine and Crimea.

          But Ukraine during and after the fall of Czarist Russia is just crazy shit.
          The Caucasus, too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I suspect Krivonos is Greek-Ukrainian.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's a pretty kino uniform for a spec ops general. It doesn't seem standard somehow, he's the only guy I've seen with black brass and black shirt & tie.
              Maybe he set that for his spec ops division or something.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's the spec ops dress uniform.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He looks like the colonel or general who does the coup in the third act of a Call of Duty game.

                Oh right. I forgot. But I suspect post-war, they'll write quite a few manuals for the Ukrainian military.

                >But I suspect post-war, they'll write quite a few manuals for the Ukrainian military
                Their officers are probably able to do lots of admin and management stuff online, any enlisted there might be able to do some sort of training via video calls. They can probably get away with that.

                >The guys they got back are in Turkey, not really taking part in the war.
                Only their leaders, the regular units got sent back to Ukraine. The commaders were the ones that were told to stay in Turkey. Azov got 200 men back minus their commanders from mariupol.

                >Only their leaders, the regular units got sent back to Ukraine
                ok, fair enough.
                So those guys become NCOs I guess and reinforce and train greener units.
                Commanders can try and run admin from Turkey.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ok, fair enough.
                >So those guys become NCOs I guess and reinforce and train greener units.
                Commanders can try and run admin from Turkey.
                Yes, their official twitter announed that they are fixing their force now that all of the azov members that were Captured were sent back to Ukraine. Their official twitter is now focused on prioritizing on donations while thsy use telegram to post their achievements.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They also need to write their history while they're still alive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is book that covers that topic from the 2014 -> period. Mark Galeotti: Armies of Russia's War in Ukraine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          thanks anon just got the kindle version great suggestion love this type of stuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians are using whatever uniforms they can get.
      I think most are donated by whoever trained that unit, some will be pre-war and some just random stuff they picked up in military aid between war start and serious training starting.

      And a bunch of winter stuff was donated from different countries so there could be lots of mismatched stuff.

      With all the uniform variety, easy to see how the trench guys were confused in the rolly clip.

      >The shoes on the guy on the right
      Tell me about this man

      >The shoes on the guy on the right
      >Tell me about this man

      Greek I think.

      >Greek I think.
      Probably correct though that shoe was also used by Turks in some places and some times.
      The illustration is not quite right, the pompom should be on the tip.

      The shoes are hobnailed boots with an upper made of two strips which are sewn together down the middle. To keep it waterproof, the toe is turned up so that the seam isn't exposed to puddles etc. On the tip, a pompom seals the seam. The pompom is said to have a blade inside it which might have been true a lot of the time because it's kind of a peasant/ruffian sort of shoe traditionally, urban and middle-class/upper-class folk didn't wear them.

      Modern ceremonial guards still wear them, I've seen those guys marching outside the Greek Parliament in Athens.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Probably correct though that shoe was also used by Turks in some places and some times.
        They lived together and copied from each other for 1000 years.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians are obviously embarrassing themselves, they've been doing that since the initial push failed. However, this post reeks of cope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reeks of cope huh? Can you tell I'm wrong? The Russians have gone from assailing the national capital of Ukraine.....to struggling to take a fucking VILLAGE.

      That is how badly their offensive power has plummeted.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They never even fought a battle in Kiev you fucking retard it was a feint to keep Khokols west. The PrepHoleope over the coming months is going to be so good please never stop

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is this bait or what? A feint don't have thousands of modernized equipment getting left behind or destroyed. A feint doesn't have thousands of professional russian soldiers dying. You don't send elite units to make a feint. Russia did what they did in Afghanistan, which is to capture airports and capture the capital.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"No bro, it was totally a feint! They blew out their own tires to draw the Ukrainians in bro! Ignore the massive losses in manpower and equipment, ruzzia stronk, trust Z plan!"
          Even when you morons get even slightly good news, the cope just flows like a river.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Kyiv was a feint

          For fuck's sake Vatniks. You still believe that bullshit? Next you'll be telling me Kherson was a goodwill gesture.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a feint

          We see you Michael Tracey

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          good bait

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You think NATO told them to do that or UA Commanders were 200IQ?

            Also imagine if many of babushka homes had UA SF hiding for weeks inside letting Russian Army in deeper.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              people would respect you more if you weren't such a whiny little victim while, at the same time, beating your chest and declaring how strong you are. also, i can't help but notice you're backpedaling on the claim there was no battle for kyiv. embarrassing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It was a feint
          I can't laughing at this pathetically cope

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And how far did that get you, considering the front hasn't meaningfully moved in that area since Ukraine retook Izyum?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >to struggling to take a fucking VILLAGE
        2 500 000 soldiers once fought and 300 000 of them died over a course of a year in order to capture a village 1/10 the size of Soledar. The village is called Verdun.
        The size of a city simply doesn't matter if it has decent fortifications and defender is willing to keep sending reinforcements and supplies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And Verdun is widely seen as one of the most aggressive acts of mutual military retardation in human history. It was also one of the most fortified regions in the entirity of Europe at that point with 19 defensive works around it including massive full-sized fortresses

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Soledar is comparable to fucking VERDUN

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hoholshill reading comprehension

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >More vatmoron projection.
              You actually just outed yourself as a retard.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Legitimately comparing Soledar to Verdun
              >Hurdur, hohol stoopid!
              Retarded moron.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Can you tell I'm wrong?
        I can tell you're a kacap subhuman.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    saw a rumor on telegram that the uke's intend to launch an offensive to retake soledar, but probably just a rumor. i doubt they can do it without suffering massive losses.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine should just do what it always does.

      Blast the fucking shit out of Russian supplies until the Vatnik scum run seriously low on ammo and fuel, then attack.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this - they're really fucking good at that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's the paradox of Russia: the sheer wastefulness of their offensive approach burning through supplies means they're ironically easier to wear down afterward.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had a thought on that.

      Russians use cannon fodder probing attacks to find weak points in the Ukrainian line right? So trick them. Make them think they've found another weak point, let them attack at the supposed "weak point", then spring the trap and crush them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Soledar is the trap. In just 7 days and 168 hours the Orcs will be crushed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians use cannon fodder probing attacks to find weak points in the Ukrainian line right?
        Nah, they use cannon fodder human waves because that's what they've been reduced to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like a little of both

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        isnt that literally what the russians(and later aef troops) did against blitzkrieg? let the spearhead through then attack the flank of it/sides to encircle and destroy it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes and it works really well. Russian military academy focusing on using penals/expendables for high risk maneuvers then use best units to hit flanks in low risk maneuvers. it takes on a higher k/d ratio but it grinds down your enemies veterans in exchange for losing people of low military value. Red Army did this in Eastern Front and by 1943 the Wehrmacht had lost all its veterans and was now a green army fighting against a Red Army with an enormous veteran reserve. Same they are doing in Ukraine now, Ukraine was trained by the US and follows western model which is putting your best in the vanguard. The Ukrainian army is currently getting grinded down by wagner convicts. They're both exchanging ~5k casualties a month but Ukraine is losing its best against Russia's worst.

          This isn't specifically a Russian mode of warfare, it's really common in the East because a lot of these Empires were unstable and they didn't want to risk their most dependable troops. Russia military thinking evolves out of that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so could russias old strategy work? they are demographically fucked but i guess Putin doesnt give a shit.
            if he manages to stay in the war long enough could he manage to outlast them if he conscripts enough poor vatnik sods?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it seems to have worked really well on the Bakhmut line. I think it's because Zelensky is conscious of the PR loss if he's forced to withdraw after 6 months of fighting after a string of victories up into December. So had stacked Bakhmut with tens of thousands including 8 of their best brigades (6 of them used in Kherson) and they ended up routing anyway because Wagner just didn't relent and kept pushing. Casualties on both sides were bad. It'll look really bad if Ukraine has to withdraw from Bakhmut but if they don't do it it'll be another cauldron for Russia to apply and just grind down Ukrainian forces with artillery and penals.

              Russia has far more mobilization ability they are about to start second wave (500k more recruits) according to Ukrainian intel to get their servicemen up to 2 million

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                headcanon time?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which bit do you disagree with? Ukraine has clearly been baited into committing big for what they know is low value territory. What explanation is there besides denying Russia a PR win?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Committing big? Bakhmut has always been defended by 8 brigades since the start of the war. Soledar has largely only been defended by one brigade, which only now has been reinforced by another brigade and a battalion. Hardly the massive redeployment or commitment of forces.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there has been 24 brigades rotated out of Bakhmut due to casualties sustained. 6 of them now are the ones involved in Kherson. It's their best 8

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ITT, vatmoron retard doesn't udnerstna dwhat rotations are

                There were never more than 8 brigades in Bakhmut at any single time, retard. ANd the Ukrainians are rotating their forntline units regularily, no matter how many casualties they take or don't take.

                >It's their best 8

                You keep making this claim, and yet it never actually manages to be any less woirthless BS. Why do you keep lying like this, vatmoron?

                You will be mobilized, Vanya. And you will die in Bakhmut. Deal with it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >rotating troops is le bad
                Are you absolutely retarded or something?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so yeah, headcanon time

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they ended up routing
                Shit that never happened. I hope to see one of your family dying in a webm here very soon russkie

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh my bad they fought to the death to the last man. Those videos of 46th getting ambushed on the retreat were deepfakes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Theoretically, what's a good counter against this?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              USA's army before 9/11 was designed specifically to counter it, although it would still destroy it easily now. The only difference is the US army has evolved more to deal with insurgency/guerilla war.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Air power, precision weaponry, and good defensive positions. Ukraine has the precision weaponry, which prevents Russia from being able to mass troops effectively or get tanks and IFVs close to the front, which is why they are relying on piecemeal infantry assaults. Good defensive positions means they inflict disproportionate casualties on the Russians as they attack.

              Make no mistake, throwing expendables at machines "works" to a degree, but it's wholly dependent on accepting massive losses for what may be minimal gains. Remember, the Russians have been continuously attacking the Bakhmut lines for months, and only have Soledar so far to show for it. All of their gains they made around Bakhmut itself have largely been pushed back to their original starting positions.

              Another weakness of sending piecemeal infantry assaults is that there's no opportunity to exploit any breakthroughs if they occur. If Russia actually captured Soledar like they claimed four days ago, they seem to have completely lost momentum as they haven't been able to advance to the next line of defense at the highway to the west. A result of them being unable to mass vehicles for a real breakthrough.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Correct. A serious weakness in Russia's military is a lack of trucks. Take away Vatnik transport vehicles, and the infantry can't go very far on fucking FOOT.

                To be blunt, a largely-infantry-only force is slower than fucking hell on the battlefield.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are we going to pretend Russia hasn't run of the best soldiers and units? Or are we going to pretend Ukraine best and Russian worst are trading kills 1:1?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Deep battle works because the enemy spearhead penetrates your lines and is then destroyed. Sending waves of convicts against fortified defensive positions does not have the same effect. Ukraine isn't attacking in Bakhmut, and they sure as fuck aren't trading casualties 1 for 1 against an opponent that literally walks groups of infantry into artillery and machine guns on a daily basis.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except it doesn't actually outside your delusions, vatnik.

            All it does is allow the enemy to kill tens of thousands of your men at little cost to themselves, while continous rotation of units on their side ensures that veteran manpower and experience are preserved without issue.

            >by 1943 the Wehrmacht had lost all its veterans

            Straight up delusional.

            And the Ukrainian Army meanwhile is only growing in size, equipment quality, training qaulity and experience all throughout this.

            The only thing being ground down are Russians. Including Wagner professionals and VDV, now that the penals are already mostly dead. THe Russians aren't throwing low-quality cannonfodder into the se attacks because they want, they're doing it because they have barely anything better left.

            >They're both exchanging ~5k casualties a month

            Except they're not, as ouside vatmoron fantasies the Russians are proven to be consistently suffering 5-10 times the casualties the Ukrainians do.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >5-10 times the casualties the Ukrainians do.
              It's other way around, russian casualties are actually minimal since lpr/dpr soldiers which are all ukrainians do majority of infantry fighting. They're just ukrainians that are not under control of kyiv hunta.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Russians are throwing frontal humna wave attacks against trenches and superior ukrainian artillery.

                >lpr/dpr

                All those guys died months ago, retard.

                Russia is losing 5-10 men for every casualty they inflict at Bakhmut. And what they are losing are chiefly mobiks, Wagner professionals and VDV, givne the penals have been running out for a while now, too.

                You're gonna get mobilised and you will die at Bakhmut. Deal with it, Vanya.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >saw a rumor on telegram that the uke's intend to launch an offensive to retake soledar
      Then they're taking Mariupol lol

      Before Kharkiv, it was all "Kherson by the end of the week". Denys was banging on about it, all the telegram/youtubers were disseminating the story and then...

      I mean, they're definitely throwing everything they have at Soledar. Soledar is the entire key to the eastern front.
      Clearly it's all happening in Soledar.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, they're going for Kremninna. Cut off the Russian supplies to the entire area.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >offensive to retake soledar
      A counter-offensive to rescue encircled troops is a good idea, but there are more places to attack than Soledar that may be a better use of blood and treasure.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This guy knows.^

        Let the Russians have their Pyrrhic victories.

        “One more such victory and we are undone.” Pyrrhus

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AFU is struggling. I'm honestly not sure why they are using such ancient armored vehicles (British Mastiffs and old ass american APCs). Lately there have largely been videos of demoralized soldiers and it seems like leadership is weak and corrupt. Big chunk of the "will" that we were praising is fading fast and I'm not sure why it's happening now. Prayers are with these guys, but something is off.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you John Smith from Ohio oblast.
          I was believing the propaganda but you have revealed the truth to me, unfortunately I am now demoralised.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >old ass american APCs
          Those APCs are designed to save wounded troops while protecting them against things like shrapnel.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think Ukrainians really had a strong will to fight, except for the more ideological units (Azov, etc.)
          An Azovite will fight for the glory of Odin, Himmler, Bandera, Vallhala or who or whatever the fuck they worship, but some teenager from Lviv will have a hard time justifying dying to fight Vladimirs who want Vladimir the Russian and not Vladimir the Ukrainian to run Vladimirtown in eastern Ukraine.

          You can die to defend your family and friends, your religion or way of life, etc. but no one fundamentally wants to die to defend geopolitical borders created by accident, in 1991. That's not even specifically why the Azovites fight, for them it's more a civil war than a strict territorial war.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They weren't created "by accident".

            Present day Ukraine are all the regions of historical Ukraine that voted for independence, you fucking dipshit

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, but that was an accident of history.

              I take it you are a respecter of independence referendums then?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >respecter of independence referendums then
                Sure, if they are constitutional, properly organized and properly monitored.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't think Ukrainians really had a strong will to fight
            They did for nearly 8 months after February. That's why the counteroffensive was so effective. What we're seeing now is organized retreats because of incompetence, fear, disillusionment, or all three. Something needs to change, because these guys need a pick me up.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What will change is that the Russians will do what they always do: "ATTACK!!!!!!"

              It doesn't matter if their forces aren't properly trained, their logistics aren't fixed, etc.

              They'll exhaust themselves attacking the Ukrainians AGAIN.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >not Vladimir the Ukrainian

            *Volodymyr the Ukrainian

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The APCs are fine for APC missions which are not AFV missions being light with low ground pressure.

          US forces still field many of that M113 family as they're so simple and versatile, with drivetrains less complex than any modern pickup. (I've worked on both. Detroit Diesels are simple, rugged, reliable but rather loud. Allison automatics are famously reliable and you are a retarded gorilla moron even considering the opinions of non-mechanics on machinery are as worthless as those of virgins about fucking.

          They're light which advantage is due to light armor and small size conferring light ground pressures which is why they excelled in Viet Nam where the winners retained theirs and still use them today as they're so easy to maintain with many common truck parts.

          They are not Namers for dry hard ground slugging matches.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess the saying is never consolidate defeat when you can consolidate victory.
        The Russians keep fueling the dead ends with more bodies and gear instead of moving those assets to more successful areas to capitalize. It's stupid really

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Again, I must point towards the Bakhmut cycle:

      >Russian gets no gains (and no bitches)
      >Russia has to focus all its force on a single attack axis.
      >Russia starts getting slow gains, Ukraine gets pushed back.
      >Russia fails to actually build momentum, and once the first strategic goal is achieved, the offensive peters out.
      >Russia rotates to a different axis to try again
      >Ukraine comes back one week later, and takes back the one objective they captured because the Russians couldn't actually afford both pushing in another direction and maintaining a sufficient defensive force.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These past few months in the area have been characterised by the Russians expending huge amounts of resources to make gains over the course of weeks, only for the Ukes to kick them right back out again in just a few days, with significantly less casualties. This probably wouldn't be much different.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians expending huge amounts of resources
        How much has the US and its puppets spent?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not much considering they're not poor shitholes like russia.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A lot fucking less. We haven't even dipped into the tech developed in the last two decades yet, nor have we lost a single man.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they want to do an offensive to relieve Soledar, the best place to attack would be either Melitopol or Kreminna

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sad that they they stopped using the original azov symbols for their watermarks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It plays better with the donors, same reason they're shutting the fuck up about Bandera for once.
        Also, Azov got truly fucked in Mariupol and the survivors are out of the war (which is probably what Kyiv wants anyway) so Azov is now its second string of divisions who would have mostly been people who joined up because Azov was seen as competent and getting shit done, not because they're any kind of racial/ethnic edgelords or Wehraboos.
        Azov as a whole might be a lot more moderate now than it once was, through sheer attrition.

        How cucked are the Russian senior officers? Some jumped up prison bitch is stealing the thunder of regular army units that in some cases have battle honours from the gates of Moscow all the way to Berlin.
        It must be an utter humiliation.

        >Some jumped up prison bitch is stealing the thunder of regular army units that in some cases have battle honours from the gates of Moscow all the way to Berlin.
        >It must be an utter humiliation.
        So think back to Syria and now you can imagine how an error with map coordinates and the Army's ignorance of Wagner movements when called by US forces to deconflict could possibly have led to an utter massacre of Wagner. C'est la guerre. Fog of War.
        Right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They still have some people in kharkiv. Majority of other azov members joined kraken or set up their own units in that specic region. Azov has grown for the past year and they also got alot of their members from mariupol back.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The survivors from Marupol should train other Ukrainians in how to survive close-quarters siege combat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Azov has grown for the past year and they also got alot of their members from mariupol back
            The guys they got back are in Turkey, not really taking part in the war.
            I mean, they fucking earned a few weeks R&R but they're not allowed to participate, maybe they shill online because it's as close to the war as they can get (hi azov)

            But the growth won't be ethnonationalists or soccer club militants, it'll be regular people who just want to fight Russians, so Azov ends up being dragged towards the middle of the spectrum and aren't as edgy as they used to be.

            The survivors from Marupol should train other Ukrainians in how to survive close-quarters siege combat.

            >The survivors from Marupol should train other Ukrainians in how to survive close-quarters siege combat.
            They're not allowed to leave Turkey I don't think.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh right. I forgot. But I suspect post-war, they'll write quite a few manuals for the Ukrainian military.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The guys they got back are in Turkey, not really taking part in the war.
              Only their leaders, the regular units got sent back to Ukraine. The commaders were the ones that were told to stay in Turkey. Azov got 200 men back minus their commanders from mariupol.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is enough to train troops in urban siege warfare.

                The leaders in Turkey can write books.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It plays better with the donors, same reason they're shutting the fuck up about Bandera for once
          No one in Ukraine seriously cared about Bandera until Russia turned him into a symbol of Ukrainian nationalism. Ukrainians just played along

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kraken is the new-new for that exact use case.
          A competent unit attracting the best elements of Azov and other to do light infantry Jaeger shit the easterners consider SOF without the political baggage to outside onlookers

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Except the regular Russian Army didn't participate in the Soledar operation, it was all done by Wagner, which is a pretty big L for the Ukrainian army to get beat by a fucking PMC.

    The real Russian Army is currently being held in defensive positions near Melitopol and Mariupol, as well as in Belarus and near Kharkiv, preparing for a new offensive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >except
      There were sightings of VDV troops inside the city along with wagnerites. Wagner didn't do shit, VDV had to bail them out when they couldn't do anything for the past 7 months.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How cucked are the Russian senior officers? Some jumped up prison bitch is stealing the thunder of regular army units that in some cases have battle honours from the gates of Moscow all the way to Berlin.
        It must be an utter humiliation.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's telling the Russians are now fighting politics as much as Ukrainians.

          Wagner and the Ministry Of Defense openly clash for power and resources. Sad fact is, Wagner's leader doesn't know when to shut the fuck up. So now the Ministry Of Defense counterattacks through Gerasimov's appointment.

          Another thing, the russians also out numbered the Ukrainian in that town. Wagnerites+VDV probably make like 50k-80k.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And yet, the Ukrainians are apparently still contesting the city. Probably because the Russians used up too many lives and ammunition prematurely.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >still contested
              What areas? Pretty sure they Captured most of the city. Whatever Ukrainian units that were left behind were there to make sure to support the units retreating.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can the Russians hold what they've seized however?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That depends if they can maintain the flow of troops bvb and equipment. They also need to rotate troops because the troops there might be too exhausted and need support. So it depends on their logistical support.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is exactly why Ukraine needs to mercilessly assail the Russian logistical supplies and support.

                Hit the weak point in their armor with precise hits. Russians cannot advance without extremely wasteful expenditures in ammo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Stealing the thunder

          How long has Wagner been trying to take Bakhmut again, lol? Wagner needs sheer numbers.....to fail to take Bakhmut and struggle to take Soledar.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's telling the Russians are now fighting politics as much as Ukrainians.

        Wagner and the Ministry Of Defense openly clash for power and resources. Sad fact is, Wagner's leader doesn't know when to shut the fuck up. So now the Ministry Of Defense counterattacks through Gerasimov's appointment.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's telling the Russians are now fighting politics as much as Ukrainians.
          >Ukraine will be Russia's Vietnam

          We're going to be hearing about Ukraine War Syndrome among Russian veterans homeless on Moscow streets.

          God, I can't wait for Ivanov: First Blood Part 2.
          An elite VDV sacrificed by monke, betrayed by his nation, left for dead, out for revenge.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's definitely Russia's Vietnam.

            They can't attack the countries supplying Ukraine. The Ukrainian resolve to fight is pretty much endless. Bombing them just makes them angrier. And the Russians are forced to make people fight an increasingly unpopular war with zero end in sight.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not sure about that. there's definitely a sizable minority against the war for different reasons. But I feel like a bigger chunk is brainwashed down to the core

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Supposedly the 2nd mobilization coming up is going to focus on the city brats.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It won't, it will be farm boys from Sverdlovsk and Dagestan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At Russia's peril. Secessionist movements are gathering strength in Vatnikistan.

                https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ethnic-minorities-independence-ukraine-war/32210542.html

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, but that's part of monke's plan. If you draft all the men from those regions, many of them will get killed in the war, which reduces the number of potential rebels. That way, in the future, you'll only have to deal with the survivors. The bitter, disillusioned survivors. Who are all combat veterans of a brutal, bloody, and merciless war. They've killed and watch other be killed in front of their eyes. Men who had the naivety and squeamishness burned out of them, along with much of their capacity for empathy, Men who know exactly what horrible things they are capable of doing, because they have already done them. Men who will all harbor deep resentment, even hatred, for their Russian masters ruling from Moscow, and some of them will have found ways of bringing small arms or even light anti-tank and anti-air weapons home with them.
                I never said Monke's plan was a good one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude if they go for city boys there will be riots that OMON won't easily deal with

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there's definitely a sizable minority against the war for different reasons
                True but that doesn't get them very far in Russia.
                They protested for a while but just got v& so they up and left to wait out the collapse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in mean that's how it's been forever in Russia. look at the memorial organization

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With how much Pirghozyn and Wagner have been talking, I highly doubt the VDV were involved, much. I'm sure Putin or someone else high up insisted that government forces were responsible, too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wagner were and have always been glory hounds and attention whores. It's in their interest to claim all of the gains were made solely by them.

          And one of the greatest ops they've pulled is that they've perpetuated the myth that they are the sole force on the Bakhmut line when that's not true at all. The bulk of Wagner is deployed at Bakhmut but they are not the bulk of Russian forces stationed there. It's an eclectic mix of Wagner troops, Russian regulars, conscripts, and whatever is left of the DNR.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I explain it here

            yes and it works really well. Russian military academy focusing on using penals/expendables for high risk maneuvers then use best units to hit flanks in low risk maneuvers. it takes on a higher k/d ratio but it grinds down your enemies veterans in exchange for losing people of low military value. Red Army did this in Eastern Front and by 1943 the Wehrmacht had lost all its veterans and was now a green army fighting against a Red Army with an enormous veteran reserve. Same they are doing in Ukraine now, Ukraine was trained by the US and follows western model which is putting your best in the vanguard. The Ukrainian army is currently getting grinded down by wagner convicts. They're both exchanging ~5k casualties a month but Ukraine is losing its best against Russia's worst.

            This isn't specifically a Russian mode of warfare, it's really common in the East because a lot of these Empires were unstable and they didn't want to risk their most dependable troops. Russia military thinking evolves out of that.

            wagner uses expendables for high risk and pro units are used for low risk. For example, wagner was used to grind down sol but airborne was used to capture it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"The real Russian army"

      The real Russian army died a long time ago, lol. Wiped out in various stupid-ass battles. What's left now are a fucking rabble of conscripts.

      I must also point out it's pretty embarrassing for Wagner to struggle to take a fucking village. Ukraine says they're still fighting the Russians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians are adapting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          More like decaying, lol.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How about "decomposing?" Sounds academic instead of artsy pottery. Also a bit more directly as to the physical state of the vatnik swarm and its Special Fertilizer Operation for Ukrainian sunflowers, but also more abstractly to the entire system. "Decay" implies a much slower, subtle process, whereas "decompose" has a short shelf-life like "rotting."

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We both know that they're degenerating.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong. The Russians reached peak degeneracy a long time ago.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only because the less fit Russians are dying so fast only the above average ones are left.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if the newbics survive long enough they gain veterancy,

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Except the regular Russian Army didn't participate
      heard the same song back in 2014, but unfortunately for you everyone has already seen the "real russian army" in action in 2022

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gonna be hilarious when the Russians inevitably get pushed out and then suddenly Wagner had nothing to do with it, what are you talking about, Wagner was never there, whoever said Wagner was involved l, hohol lies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Russians will likely do their usual thing: exhaust themselves against Ukrainian defenses while Ukrainians cut off their supplies, eventually forcing the Russians to run for it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Except the regular Russian Army didn't participate in the Soledar operation
      That's not what the Russian MOD themselves say

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think Wagner's prominence will be its own undoing. Russian military wants it out of the way. They want all the power and money for themselves.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wagner IS russia, retard. They are all over the world.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wagner is a Russian mercenary company run by a Russian obligarch. The Russian MILITARY increasingly despises it, hence the appointment of Gerasimov.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >there is a power struggle, I swear Russia will collapse any day now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah. Russia will collapse in 10-20 years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a full division of VDV right there alongside them and VDV openly attacked on the south side of Soledar. To claim the actions as Wagner's is a complete lie.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The paratroopers took the heights outside of town. The town itself was cleared by Wagner.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So VDV basically took the dominant, key terrain that threatened the Ukrainians enough to make them perform a fighting retreat out of Soledar? That still sounds like the VDV is doing the important work, while Wagner tries to hog the glory.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only reason that the """real""" russian army isn't in Soledar is because they're actually LESS capable than Wagner. It's pretty fucking embarassing that a PMC is getting unlimited manpower and equipment over the fucking national army because they're the only ones who deliver any semblance of results. What happened to the VDV? Wasn't the "real russian army" supposed to be able to take Kyiv in three days?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Classic PMC with intergrated artillery, tanks and fucking airplanes

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NAFO bros....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not out fault the Russians are fucking stupid and corrupt, lol.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this isnt even true, izium falling was called major and strategically important

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Russian military is rotten. No matter how many men they throw at the problem, the rot is systemic. Sheer numbers only masks the issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Michael Tracey is literally a retarded guy pretending to be a journalist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One of Tucker Carlson's sock puppet accounts?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Michael tracey
      Absolutely trustable source and not a complete gay. Maybe because the Russians are so to double down on things that are not significant?
      >b-but Russian and Ukrainian wins should b-be treated the same
      No, they should not unless you can provide a significance of their battles in the entire war. Stop claiming bias for things you absolutely don't understand, you retarded larper

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fortunately pretend victories or lying about your failures is pretty hard to hide. Lies don't remove enemy soldiers from your cities. So if they're lying, the truth will come home to roost.

      If.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen people describe Bakhmut as strategically important. I guess the real question is how strategically important, and the answer is not very.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the road is strategically valuable, but the town is just any old war-torn town

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's literally just one step towards Kramatorsk and Slovyansk. One step in a veeeeery long road where they have to get through defensive lines even more fortified than what they have at Bakhmut.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sauron’s REAL army is still in Mordor

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well yes, Ukraine has known since the start of the war that Russia wants the dual cities. You think they've been twiddling their thumbs this whole time?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      when the russkies took kherson the western media made a big deal out of it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being so desperate for a victim narrative that you lie about things that are very easy to google.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look how the pathetic NAFO posters are trying to discredit this personally like it makes his “captain obvious” tier observation go away and stop hurting their feelings

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here you go, mongoloid.

        https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099885151/mariupol-falls-ukraine-russia-what-it-means

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/mariupol-important-russian-forces-moscow-port-city

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/21/ukraine-russia-mariupol-fall-maps/

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mariupol-strategic-prize-russia-symbol-resistance-ukraine-2022-03-30/

        How are you going to spin this as "ooh I'm such a victim, the western media doesn't think my gains are significant" now?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your analysis is valid, however consider this: death to all russians, their lives are beyond worthless and we all benefit from each death. But for nuclear weapons which Russia only have because of traitorous Rosenbergs, we could eliminate the steppe menace forever.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With the sheer amount of vatnik shills celebrating the literal meters of progress made over the last week, I genuinely think that this might have been the mighty offensive they have been hyping up for months.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They just work with what they have and this is all they have right now.
      They were over the moon about rolly-gate while it lasted. It'll be something else tomorrow, whatever glimmer of light they think they can see in the dark.

      You know how when you're in a cave or mine with the lights out and you start to think you can see flashes of light?
      When they have some glimmer in the darkness, they run towards it and hope it's the way out. When they don't see it at all, they chase phantoms only they can see.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They HAVE gone full Vietnam.

        Remember Vatniks, the ancient saying about Vietnam is still true.

        >"The light at the end of the tunnel is the oncoming train."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not even been a year.
          Post-Soviet Russia won pretty much all the conflicts they were involved in (basically the opposite of USA), it just takes time for them to find the right approach.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They lost the first chechen war and the Georgian conflict was a shitshow. The second chechen war was won by them bribing the warlords to be loyal to russia. Once the funds go away, the entire state will revolt.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A long-winded way to say they won the Chechen conflict.

              They did not really bribe them, they (in particular Vladimir Putin who was in charge of that):
              1. Explained to them how their Al Qaeda allies are in fact actually CIA stooges
              2. Told them they would be mercilessly annihilated if they keep their shit
              3. Told them they can run Chechnya like they want, do their Islamic shit and stuff but no more terrorism and opposing Russia

              It was a great deal and the Chechens took it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rolly-gate?
        >in b4 "deez nuts" or whatever.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This is a tiny-as-fuck mining village

    It's a mining complex with hundred kms of galleries.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a mining complex with hundred kms of galleries.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does everyone bring up how small the place is like it means much? Both sides have completely overcommitted in the area trying to hold/breakthrough and this is the natural result, neither is just going to pull out because the tension is too great now. This is how places like Passchendaele are names of infamy now despite also being a tiny village. Yes a city could be more defensible but its really about the amount of men fighting there, Mariupol fell like anywhere else after being cut off because there isn't a constant stream of fresh meat like Bakhmut/Soledar, Storm of Steel talks about this with constant rotations around Guillemont and so on.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Overcommitted

      Ukraine barely has a single brigade defending Soledar that's at least still holding part of it against at least 50,000-80,000 Russian regulars and Wagner troops. The the entire reason why Russia is even making incremental gains on the Bakhmut line in the first place is because Ukraine is trying to avoid overcommitting, so they've only deployed the bare minimum number of units to hold the line while offensive maneuver units are either being sent to Kreminna or being held in reserve for some kind of spring offensive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And you got those numbers where?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          8 brigades hold Bakhmut, but only 2 are on the front line every month. They rotate.

          Ukrainians let their men REST.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukrainians let their men REST.
            90% of the AFU has been living in the same trench for months, lmao
            they are fed up

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those units were recently rotated out, like the 93rd. That's why there was a sudden spike in activity around Bakhmut, because a defense line is always at its most vulnerable right after a fresh rotation because the troops rotating in haven't had a chance to acclimate to the local battlefield conditions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ah yes, rotated out and given a hot meal and a prostitute, I'm sure hahahhahaahah

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rotation doesn't mean they go home

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, but they taken off the frontlines. The entire point is to allow them to rest, rearm, and regenerate. They're not going to be in a state to be immediately sent back to the front unless some real shit hits the fan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Meanwhile Russia just goes, "Fuck your rest! You all charge front NOW!"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nonce

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >90 percent in the same trench for months

              That means they're still alive then, Vatnik, lol. Russians arrive and die pretty fast.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, the 6,000,000 dead vatniks, right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's probably around 10,000 dead Russians for the entire Bakhmut campaign.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i saw the claim of 25,000 from a russian source

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so it seems, so it seems

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >6 mil dead vatniks
                That’s a good goal

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe so but there isn't a torrent of 80k Russians coming at all times, I could buy 30k Ukies vs 50-80k across the whole front.

            Ukrainian MOD is fairly transparent about what units they have deployed on the frontlines at any given time.

            Do you have any links or names I can check? Interested to see what exactly they have now.

            Another point, even with numerical advantage, assaults against a dug in enemy are usually difficult, especially without complete air superiority and armour.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Torrent of 80k Russians

              Who cannot do jackshit if you cripple their ammo logistics. Fucking easy. Blast every supply point they have with superior precision artillery.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukrainian MOD is fairly transparent about what units they have deployed on the frontlines at any given time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And just to add, having 2 (with seemingly another in reserve behind Bakhmut in another map) of the apparent 6 Ukrainian tank brigades deployed to Soledar alone seems quite committed. Let me know if I'm mistaken but that's what I've found.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah you'd move some forces to the only area anyone's trying to break through

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukraine barely has a single brigade defending Soledar that's at least still holding part of it against at least 50,000-80,000 Russian regulars and Wagner troops.
            Was this not you? Or are you someone else?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              someone else

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you reply with a useless comment for no reason.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you seem to think it's damning that ukraine has tank brigades near bakhmut. why?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He seems to think that sending a couple of tank brigades to plug a gap in the lines is "overcommitting".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't "damning", my initial point was that this is a big battle with tens of thousands involved, with dug-in defenders. It is irrelevant that Soledar is tiny, but many are acting like it's totally unexpected that an assault would take time and casualties or that Russia is completely ruined and throwing troops in with a 10:1 ratio and still dying in the millions. It's like some anons don't care about war at all and just want to join in with ethnic grievances or whatever.

                He seems to think that sending a couple of tank brigades to plug a gap in the lines is "overcommitting".

                2 (+1 reserve) out of 6 it seems. Barely a brigade was blatantly false. You don't have to just post nonsense for the sake of it.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Weak
    Why haven't you people realized that Russia is a master at wearing down their opponents. It never was a Blitzkrieg like we wanted, Russia is destroying Ukraine in a surgical fashion. Unlike team globohomo that hides behind artillery and drones, Russia is slowly vice-gripping the Ukrainian military. President schlomo is begging for shekels because their supplies are getting depleted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is wearing down Ukraine

      Except Ukraine knows that playbook by heart, lol. They were part of the USSR.

      They're wearing down the Russians BACK.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. That's the game. Which is why we probably will see a multiyear war. As long as the US keeps their hooked nose and claws out of it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The simplest way to break the Russians is to attack their AMMO supplies and manufacturing.

          No bullets and shells = no more invasion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No bullets and shells = no more invasion.
            Soviets left them enough ammo for 100 years war against globohomo.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wanking over globalist bolshevik communists
              absolutely based and redpilled

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know why morons post this as if it's some sort of profound revelation as opposed to something that even the most ignorant non-retard figured out months and months and months ago.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek
        Just knowing the playbook does not mean they have the capacity to use it.
        That's why they are constantly begging for weapons and shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The importance of war is to have a consistent flow of supplies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also to reduce and clean out some of the population. A nuclear war between China and Pakistan would be a great thing for that very reason.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Add India as well.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. snownigs begging IRAN for v1 lawnmowers

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They have more capacity to use it than Russia with their incompetnet army and collapsing economy.

          >muh begging

          And it's working, dipshit. Ukriane has effectively infinbite funds, weapons and supplies, courtesy of the overwhelming majority of the global economy. Deal with it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >infinbite
            It doesn't have infinite supply of suckers willing to die for Zelensky and his wife tho.
            They're already snatching people of the streets in areas under their control and send them to die in trenches but people like that don't have too much of a motivation to fight.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Uhhh... Isn't that what's happening in Russia instead?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it's not. In russia you get draft notice to your home address, in Ukraine they block of like part of highway and just recruit whoever doesn't run from their car. You're also free to leave the count, no one will stop you at the border if you don't want to fight, ukraine has sealed borders and you'll be shipped to the front right away if they catch you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Projection. Russians (and the people who believe them) are only capable of projection.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What tickles me is that they always bring up Zelenskyy's wife as if she's some Marie Antoinette figure.
                I guess if you've got nothing on a guy, you go after his woman.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At the current rate, Russia will run out of military-age male population before the Ukrainians will run low on manpower. Outside your demneted fantasies, Ukraine has so many volunteers that they skipped their draft. Deal with it, vatmoron.

              >penal colony waves
              Being this blind to reality. You really believe there's more convicts than Ukrop conscripts so that they need or can afford to send waves?

              >Ukrop conscripts

              No such thing outside vatmoron projection. Ukraine has more volunteers than they can train, so there's a 6-month waiting list for anyone who wants to join up now.

              Uhhh... Isn't that what's happening in Russia instead?

              No it's not. In russia you get draft notice to your home address, in Ukraine they block of like part of highway and just recruit whoever doesn't run from their car. You're also free to leave the count, no one will stop you at the border if you don't want to fight, ukraine has sealed borders and you'll be shipped to the front right away if they catch you.

              It is. Vatmorons are projecting as usual.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine has so many volunteers
                The reddit illusion is over the top here.
                This is how "volunteering" looks like in Ukraine. You get roadblocked and served draft notice and then you go to trenches to die for globohomo. People stupid enough to be real volunteers are all dead by now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's not "how it looks like," it's "what it looks like," your stupid burger

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cringe anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >LANGUAGE CHANGES CHUD GET OVER IT!!
                som finna

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                probably not a burger or at least the language is non

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's like claiming cats are dogs, you stupid fucking moron. A country at total war serves draft notices and you claim that's proof there's no volunteers?
                Are you even capable of seeing the utter and complete disconnect in logic here?
                Are you just trying to distract from the reality on the battlefield that all the efforts of the Ukrainian military after 6 months is to fail to capture Bakhmut and only take a small 10k town close by to it? The whole of Wagner, a division of VDV, and all they take is Soledar? Didn't even break through the Ukrainian lines, didn't even manage to exploit anything.
                Is that what you're doing?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think he's taking issue with the claim that Ukraine "has so many volunteers that they skipped their draft." That's an outright lie, as you seem to have acknowledged yourself in this post.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's an outright lie
                It is, just like his claim that there aren't volunteers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I also agree, definitely some vatnik vibes with that guy. Generally anyone speaking on the extremes is shilling for one side or the other.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/X4XBVpe.jpg

                That's like claiming cats are dogs, you stupid fucking moron. A country at total war serves draft notices and you claim that's proof there's no volunteers?
                Are you even capable of seeing the utter and complete disconnect in logic here?
                Are you just trying to distract from the reality on the battlefield that all the efforts of the Ukrainian military after 6 months is to fail to capture Bakhmut and only take a small 10k town close by to it? The whole of Wagner, a division of VDV, and all they take is Soledar? Didn't even break through the Ukrainian lines, didn't even manage to exploit anything.
                Is that what you're doing?

                >That's an outright lie
                It is, just like his claim that there aren't volunteers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

                who cares

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If there was enough volunteers where would be no draft notices. And not only that but there's not enough people willing to even take their chance of getting notice later on so they had to seal up the borders. Support for Zelensky and what Kyiv govt is doing is not as universal as it's portrayed in media.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If there was enough volunteers where would be no draft notices
                That's wrong. I'm not talking about Ukraine in isolation here, but the whole argument. Drafting has severe benefits over volunteering in many cases and in countries with a conscription system and a fully justified, defensive war. Especially in Ukraine where reservists have fought after 2014 in Donbass.
                >but there's not enough people willing to even take their chance of getting notice later on so they had to seal up the borders.
                You seal th borders regardless. Why the fuck would you allow people to flee the country when you can use them there? Think with realpolitiks, not idealistically. They sealed the borders because they could and knew they could get away with it. Any power would do that.

                The military decides the people it wants into its ranks, not the other way around. Why the fuck would the military NOT draft the people it wants and only take volunteers in case of total war?
                You've got some reservist with excellent scores in leadership, motivation, personality, skills; he's even got civilian skill in a field relevant to where you want him, e.g. he's a drone specialist or maybe a construction worker with blasting licenses and work done? Maybe a cameraman or a mechanic?
                Why would you NOT draft him when you have the chance? Why would you instead take a volunteer that you have to train first and who isn't already fit for the role?
                The whole strength in conscript militaries is that it gives the military far more power to pick and choose individuals. Without this ability, the military has to rely on contractors for a whole bunch of specialized roles, like the US military for example does and it needs to maintain a constant base of training and manpower for these very specialized roles that it's bound to lose once their contracts are over.

                >Support for Zelensky and what Kyiv govt is doing is not as universal as it's portrayed in media.
                Doesn't matter when the practical results are the same.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why the fuck would you allow people to flee the country
                Russia allows it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well thank goodness Russia isn't being attacked by a superior nation and forced into an existential total war against a genocidal foe that has publicly stated its goal is to destroy your entire nation and people.
                It'd be pretty damned laughable if Russia had to take the same kind of actions to save itself in this war as Ukraine. All the from Second Army of the World to being worse than Ukraine?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to save itself in this war as Ukraine
                Russia is not fighting against Ukraine but against globohomo which is now basically third of the world so it ain't really walk in a park for them either.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this globohomo in the room with us right now?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it is, like right there in the kitchen where I have to fucking sort my trash as per globohomo instructions and then pay for disposal of each individual bag. That's just one of many faces of globohomo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then pay for disposal of each individual bag
                What shithole do you live in?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They probably live in Germany or some other enlightened Euro country. They're literally complaining about sorting recycling and being charged for waste, that's a pretty standard first world practice; from Japan to Taiwan to Germany to Cyprus.

                Yeah it is, like right there in the kitchen where I have to fucking sort my trash as per globohomo instructions and then pay for disposal of each individual bag. That's just one of many faces of globohomo.

                Don't worry, when Russia conquers Ukraine it will turn towards Europe next and your garbage disposal will be a free and unrestricted Russian one like pic related.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok gonzalo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In fact most countries allow it. I'm in Croatia and if you didn't feel like fighting you where free to go, could even return later with no consequences but ofc you didn't get any of the many benefits those who served got later on.
                In this regard I feel something is off in Ukraine, sealing borders up, idk, when people really feel they're fighting for themselves this is unnecessary.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                surely they can afford it if they abduct enough people and land

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Realistically the results wouldn't be the same though. For instance, if a large fraction of the population is pro Russia, then they get native volunteers as they make progress, and those that were drafted would be defecting left and right. Though my impression is that a lot of the population doesn't want to die for either side, given that they're going to be a cash cow satellite state for corrupt oligarchs no matter the outcome.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it's not like after the war Ukraine will become this rightful heaven where everyone will be equal.
                Everything bad from before and there was lots of it will only be amplified by magnitude after the war.
                Only vise choice is to leave and I'm talking from experience since as gen-x Croatian I've lived through that. First 10 years post war where worse than war itself and count never really recovered despite war not being nowhere near intense as the one in Ukraine. Think it was 14k total dead on both sides for the whole war so like bigger battle in Ukraine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine will see improvement through attempts at EU accession and US influence.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Corruption_Bureau_of_Ukraine
                They've already been countering the typical post-Soviet corruption and will only be forced into furthering it as the war goes on and ends. The West will certainly require it from them in exchange for support, loans and whatever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The West will certainly require it from them in exchange for support, loans and whatever
                Ironically, that's why Biden made them replace that prosecutor.
                It's because he wasn't prosecuting any obviously corrupt officials and the state department had run out of impatience so they asked Biden to get them to replace him with a more honest prosecutor.

                Trump wanted the new guy dumped and replaced with the old Russian-bought guy because he'd protect the oligarch class as well as help smear Hunter Biden's employer (over a scandal that happened and was dismissed before Hunter even worked there).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >those that were drafted would be defecting left and right
                That simply realistically does not happen. Even politically opposed individuals will normally fall in line, form cohesion and unity with their units, esprit de corps, with self-preservation on top. Genuine threats are primarily filtered out, leaving only few high profile cases, where even Russian draftees rarely open fire on their oppressors.
                Modern military training and organization is quite blatantly built for this purpose. Ever since the Napoleonic era have militaries been focusing on turning draftees into reliable soldiers and they have have grown exceedingly capable at it.
                >Though my impression is that a lot of the population doesn't want to die for either side, given that they're going to be a cash cow satellite state for corrupt oligarchs no matter the outcome.
                The opposite will happen through dreaming of EU membership, God willing. That is why Euromaidan occured in the first place—regardless of foreign glowmoron support. They can not manufacture an entire movement out of thin air. They can only support and exacerbate what is already there, guide it along lines of their choosing—the Ukrainian people had their heads filled with dreams of reaching Western standards, of casting off the chains of oligarchs and following along the path of other former Soviet states like Romania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anticorruption_Directorate
                Of course anti-corruption is hard, slow work, but over time with supranational support it can be done. If the wealth of your entire nation is dependent on falling in line with external demands, then no single oligarch can truly oppose the reforms as they lack the power and influence. National projects can be undermined by local politicians, men of power, but when entire EU commissions bear down, there is little they can do except seek wealth in new opportunities.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine will see improvement through attempts at EU accession and US influence.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Corruption_Bureau_of_Ukraine
                They've already been countering the typical post-Soviet corruption and will only be forced into furthering it as the war goes on and ends. The West will certainly require it from them in exchange for support, loans and whatever.

                Ukraine is a laundromat for our politicians. I really don't see the corruption going anywhere, because it's there by design. They'll be lucky if they get to be Europe's Mexico after all of this ends. I certainly agree that being NATO's bitch is far better than being Russia's bitch, but I wouldn't find any option particularly good for morale if I lived there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what are you talking about

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A laundromat is a term related to money laundering, where a business is used to turn "dirty" money into clean cash by mixing in with legitimate revenue streams. In this case, I'm using it more loosely by stating that politicians in the US and EU actively take advantage of corruption in developing nations in order to make money for themselves, their families, and for their donors. Often times at the expense of the people living in those countries and the taxpayers here in the US. For instance, the US sending weapons and vehicles to Ukraine has the inadvertent effect of serving as a pretense to funnel more taxpayer dollars into the MIC. In addition, you'll find that most of the largest corporations in Ukraine prior to the conflict had boards stuffed with the children of EU and US politicians. In the end, it's a softer corruption than Russian oligarchy, but it's corruption nonetheless.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >For instance, [something about the US MIC and not Ukraine]

                >you'll find that most of the largest corporations in Ukraine prior to the conflict had boards stuffed with the children of EU and US politicians
                Will I? What's wrong with that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's wrong with foreign leadership controlling all of your important revenue streams? Nothing if you want to be perpetually poor, your elections to be rigged to favor foreign interests, and to never, ever be able to escape that situation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What's wrong with foreign leadership controlling all of your important revenue streams?
                this is the rule across most of the world
                indians own my country's most well-known manufacturers for fuck's sake

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                really bootlicker?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In addition, you'll find that most of the largest corporations in Ukraine prior to the conflict had boards stuffed with the children of EU and US politicians
                A blatant improvement to local oligarchs or Russian stooges. Those politicians' brats have loyalties to far greater forces not dependent on local corrupt structures. In their hands, even were they to take benefits to themselves, actual improvement and anti-corruption work can occur. Deracination of local corruption can not occur so long as the powers that be remain in charge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've stated multiple times that it's preferable, but it's far from being simple to escape from. That's why I mentioned that it will probably be a Mexico situation, where you're essentially operating as cheap labor for Western markets. There will be a major incentive for those nations to keep your labor cheap, so expect foreign intelligence fuckery to keep the government just unstable enough that it can't solve any of the major problems. On the bright side, you don't have to worry about getting polonium poisoning if you say bad things about our politicians.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It will be nothing as bad as Mexico. Mexico in itself is a failed state with no hopes of redemption in its current state. Ukraine too will not face that kind of pressure and influence, as the West rarely shits on its doorstep in terms of governmental stability. It's neither in the EU's or Ukraine's benefit for the country to remain unstable, both due to its opposition to Russia and the natural resources therein. The other post-Soviet states were well beneficial as sources for cheap labor, yet all of them were freely brought into the present and allowed to advance. It's economically vastly more advantegous to strengthen the EU bloc as a whole, rather than treat Ukraine as you would third worlders in Africa or South-East Asia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize Mexico borders the US and is one of our major trading partners, right? The wealthiest members of our country benefit greatly from having an endless stream of low-cost goods and labor right on our doorstep. You might be able to argue that the EU is different, but Germany is hungry for some cheap gas now that they can't get their fix from Russia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is normal relationship between rich and poor counties.
                Rich profit a lot, poor profit a little.
                Same shit in EU between old west and new east.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree. I'm just arguing that economic servitude is the inevitable outcome of the conflict, one way or the other. The rallying cry is "we'll be just like France or Germany!" when the reality is that they'll be like Mexico or something. A notable improvement, but way less inspiring. Of course, unlike Mexico you'll be white, so maybe you won't have any issues with roving cartels beheading police officers for interfering with the drug trade.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they'll be like britain but the depressing soviet[-tier] architecture will have been replaced by new construction, plus it'll be less cramped

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that is an entirely unbelievable notion unless you're factoring in even more economic collapse for the UK, lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sneed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's old yugo saying - "it's always better to wave at american tanks on the streets than russian ones" tho Ukraine will be hell on earth for decades after the war especially if it ends up being split in to. Then it wont be Croatia tier shithole but Serbia tier shithole with never ending possibility of new war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As Serbia remains even now Russia-aligned; hopes of improvement and a brighter future the likes offered to Ukraine can not be found there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Serbia remains even now Russia-aligned
                Serbia was not Russia aligned till the late 90s and nato bombing butthurt. It was very anti-Russia and east euro/warsaw pact in general till the end of 80s.
                It can't be aligned with anything else but Russia now since EU/US/globohomo whatever does not recognize it's territorial integrity, the question of Kosovo and shit. It's like asking Ukraine to just give up on lpr/dpr whatever. No nation would agreen on something like that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yugoslavia was still a socialist nation and so delighted with all its economical and political woes. Serbia never sought Western influence after its freedom, which is why it remains in the state it is. Serbia and MonteBlack specifically tried to mantle to itself the state continuation of Yugoslavia, trying to stand on its own against international condemnation and sanctions. It's as if Ukraine claimed for itself the USSR legacy and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reality by UN / NATO intervention, then aligned with Russia out of sheer butthurt for the treatment they received.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See, this is the "lying and coping" thing that I mentioned. Ukraine banned fighting age males from leaving the country. All of the nation's men are expected to aid the war effort and martial law was declared. Unless this was lifted at some point, the Ukrainian draft, in effect, has already occurred, and calling them all volunteers is misleading.

                news.yahoo.com/amphtml/ukrainian-men-fighting-age-remain-102400607.html

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Numbers this, numbers that

                HIT the Russian ammo and fuel supplies & manufacturing, and Ukraine will win by default.

                As Russian supplies grind to a trickle, the Vatniks will lose energy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >losing x
            Can beg and get more shit by saying "we need more to turn this around"
            >winning x
            Can beg and get more shit by saying ”we need more to help us finish this faster"

            If this was a game, this is some OP shit.
            Looks ridiculous irl, but Zelensky knows what he's doing. The armor and weapons are exactly what they need against penal colony waves.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >penal colony waves
              Being this blind to reality. You really believe there's more convicts than Ukrop conscripts so that they need or can afford to send waves?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno man, the Russians are crazy.
                I wouldn't doubt if they sent a significant amount from their approx. 500k prison population to the frontlines.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is destroying Ukraine in a surgical fashion.
      Indiscriminate shelling, terror bombing, and launching repeated frontal attacks with unsupported infantry is the opposite of "surgical".

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Projection.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Requires a russian copy of a meme making fun of vatmorons.
      Jesus Christ, the cope.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gokubro btw

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Bringing up reddit when it wasn't mentioned.
          More vatmoron projection. Keep crying, gay.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can tell you're a newfriend because you didn't pick up on the obvious bait and instead reverted to leddit posting

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They really do steal everything that isn't nailed down if they get the chance

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is cope and also off topic for this board. Ukraine is losing more territory to Russia every single day. Ukraine needs surrender the eastern part of their country back to Russia so that the war ends.

    t. recently REFRAD'D S2 officer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine is losing more territory to Russia every single day.
      Ukraine is literally in net positive territorial gain for months

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia's already lost 60% of their post-February 24th gains.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about the territory ukraine has been gaining east of kharkiev?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if Russia had to deal with 2000x USMC/US Army 155mm SPHs.

    We could cut spending for couple CVNs for that.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Every time the Ukrainians and Russians seriously clash, the Russians have to downgrade their goals
    They're like the super saiyans from my Dragonsball comics. Their strength doubles after every defeat. This is so poggers my guys!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly the Ukrainians remind me of Saiyans if they had the intellect of Vulcans and the humor of a wry internet troll.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        aren't saiyans more comparable to Wagner? Since they are basically a race of mercenaries.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd call Wagner Klingons, specifically DS9 "Way Of The Warrior" Klingons who attack stupidly.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            aren't saiyans more comparable to Wagner? Since they are basically a race of mercenaries.

            Honestly the Ukrainians remind me of Saiyans if they had the intellect of Vulcans and the humor of a wry internet troll.

            >Every time the Ukrainians and Russians seriously clash, the Russians have to downgrade their goals
            They're like the super saiyans from my Dragonsball comics. Their strength doubles after every defeat. This is so poggers my guys!

            >OH BOY JUST LIKE MY TV SHOWS

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not understanding sarcasm is a sign of autism

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nice selfie, moron.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians and Russians both have disregard for life. This is actually bad for Russians because Ukrainians just go into mines or trench systems and take artillery and don't surrender.

    Soviet people with NATO 80s Equipment? Not a bad combo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukrainians have the same stubborn determination to fight to the fucking death. The difference is, they actually know WHEN to pull back and have a much better sense of how much manpower to allocate. They are also not NEARLY as wasteful as the Russians when it comes to resources.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post-script: part of this is due to the near-LIMITLESS Vatnik "Imperial Arrogance/Entitlement".

        >"We SUPREME Russian Empire! You lowly Ukrainian farmer-pig!"

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol at all the cope about Soledar
    Ukranian forces shown to be not worth their salt

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this what Russia is reduced to bragging about? Taking a fucking village, lol, and not easily I might add.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the place where the front collapsed was a small town before the war so it’s not that bad
        Lulz

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Take maybe half a town after 8+ months of grinding attrition warfare if reports are to be believed.
          >An entire front collapses.

          It seems like you don't know how any of this actually works.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What happens is that because Russia shifted way too many of its reserves from elsewhere, they left other places exposed. At the same time, they exhausted themselves in both manpower and ammo while Ukrainians simply moved to....you guessed it, ANOTHER defensive line.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So we’re to the point in Hohol cope where they admit the defenses around soledar are broken

              “But we have more defensive lines!!”
              Which are certainly not suffer any staff shortages right now, lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                has russia even decided whether it controls soledar yet, or is that still being determined?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Front collapsed

          What is defense-in-depth, Vatnik. The Ukrainians have LOTs of defensive lines, and every time you encounter one, you gotta die aplenty all over again.

          russian logistics are getting stronger lmao

          Strong enough to survive a HIMARS blast, lol?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >HIMARS?
            Back to twitter

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >just mentioning HIMARS still makes vatmorons REEEEEEE incessantly

              LMAO

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if the front has collapsed, what is stopped russia from sweeping through and taking town after town each day? is this yet another goodwill gesture from the big benevolent bear?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            s/stopped/stopping/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Simple. They burned through too much ammo and manpower to take that one fucking village, and now their positions elsewhere are weakened because they took reserves from those places.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we made Russia spend ammo to kill us, so we win

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So we’re to the point in Hohol cope where they admit the defenses around soledar are broken

                “But we have more defensive lines!!”
                Which are certainly not suffer any staff shortages right now, lmao

                As usual, Vatniks fail to grasp the concept of a Pyrrhic Victory. If you weaken yourself too much in one attack, you're not going to be able to HOLD your gains for long.

                Fuck you Russians are stupid.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Ukraine doesn't take advantage of fleeting weakness in other areas then who cares?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As usual, Vatniks fail to grasp the concept of a Pyrrhic Victory
                Wow this hohol has made it all the way to admitting Russian victory. Did it become self aware for a moment?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I DEMAND RESPECT AND RECOGNITION
                plead more

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now the hohol is trying to reset the conversation with random greentext that has nothing to do with the post. Go ping your fellas on discord since you're having such a hard time kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                seems like ukrops are a bunch of pieces of shit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I congratulate Russia on completing potty training.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't that what you were crowing about when it came to throwing mobiks at Bakhmut?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Ukraine let Gonzo Lira live in Ukraine and be Russian mouth piece? If Gonzo was an American who was anti-Russian and anti-Putin living in Moscow? That wouldn't fly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is a democracy, albeit flawed, and pozzya isn't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vatnik nonsense

      I must retort with American nonsense.

      Chewbecca does not live on Endor. This does not make sense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because as long as they don't have russian ties, they can say what they want. Ukraine's press freedom is higher than russia.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They know the fastest road to the truth means letting the liars speak, why would people trust you more than pooty if you just silence your opponents like he does?

      Doesnt matter. The more divorced from reality they are, the faster the ziggers die anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians cannot accept Ukrainians are a superior military to their Soviet Cosplay forces. Too much "MUH RUSSIAN EMPIRE" bullshit in their brains.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          please, just go back to twitter NAFOcuck

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sneed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You cannot defeat the Ukrainians, Vatniks. They categorically outclass you.

            And please don't boast about your manpower numbers. Even cannon fodder is useless if you take away their AMMO.

            Cripple Logistics, cripple Russia, lol.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              russian logistics are getting stronger lmao

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seething garden gnome, your gay boys are dying for pissrael

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          look at that deHispanicable banderite
          *tfu* (spitting noise)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this shit can't be quanitfied
        it's just gay lefties giving more points to commie scandis
        t. salty pole

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw your only allies and supporters abroad are literal third worlders
    >tfw second army of the world celebrating the capture of a village of less than 10k inhabitants
    >tfw world power struggling to roll over a literal third world shithole
    >tfw claims to be bastion of morality meanwhile has the highest hiv rate in the world

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      plus:
      >claims to be a bastion of morality but gloats about their army committing crimes against their civilian "brothers and sisters"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have developed plenty of copes to explain that

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is MilitaryLand credible? Looks like a little more than "barely a bridgade".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The 46th Airmobile Brigade was known to be stationed in Soledar. The Ukrainian forces immediately flanking them are an armored brigade and a mechanized battalion. Not exactly a massive defensive force.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not insignificant either. Looks to be 46th Airmobile, 17th Tank, and possibly 61st Jager? Considering 4th Tank and 77th Airmobile (recently formed it seems) nearby you could throw them in too. No idea on the actual strength though.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    battle prowess; the true measure of a man
    you think you're civilised, but you will never understand

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dude weed

      ?list=OLAK5uy_m7YdIvMS3bs-vg3PdqfU8YJgR4_VMbbSU

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't lying when they said that this board was globohomo central.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    come to think of it, does russia have any jet pilots left? it was throwing them away like empty wrappers until recently

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Welll atleast we know IRIS-T or HAWK would fuck up USAF. Remind USAF not to fuck with Spain.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainian Colonels and Maj Gens are getting Ukrainian troops killed with their corruption

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what did he mean by this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://twitter.com/IhateTrenches
        seems the old soviet relics still in command are fucking up the ua war effort

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          interesting

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is nuPrepHole going to do when Ukraine loses?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope n' seethe and deny they ever said otherwise

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably the same way the US coped after Afghanistan with saying ISIS-K would keep the fight against the taliban

      The Ukraine shills will cope and try to rationalize this as a long term loss for Russia and hang their hopes on an insurgency (which will never materialize, it’s GWOT projection)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure by that point the shillbux will have dried up, so with any luck they'll leave and never come back. I'm tired of all of these shit threads reducing the useful space on the board. We are aware that both sides are trying to control the narrative, we know both Ukrainians and Russians are lying and coping with every breath. My only hope is that it turns into a localized nuclear conflict that ends with every Russian and Ukrainian dead.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >think you've finally gained a small victory
    >still whining and desperate for the validation of other countries

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was about a week of deep freeze, which enabled trucks to move. But now the Rasputitsa should slow down Russian supplies again, and anybody inside the pimple of Soledar will have to burrow down again.

    Not even coping when I say Soledar is largely irrelevant. They wanted to take Bakhmut, but lost 10-30k people just trying to get to the Anus Mundi that is Soledar. The Russian prison population is 400K including juveniles, women, short-timers etc etc. How to replace these Wagnerites?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cope: The Thread

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Over 100,000 dead soldiers
    >Thousands of vehicles and missiles
    >A flagship
    And all they have to show for it is ONE SINGLE town in Eastern Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nothing is more anti-russian than the russian leadership

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no one ever thought it was important. No one outside of the former residents even knew it existed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People have said Bakhmut is irrelevant for months, wondering why you're wasting resources there. Even Girkin said words to that effect. Soledar is much less relevant than that, and no one on this board had heard of the place until this week.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are 2 things I find interesting and quite nice to see. Adding to the sense that Ukrainians from all walks of life, ethnicity, religion etc. are banding together to get Vatniks out of thier nation. Yes Ukraine is a shithole but it's THEIRS shithole not Russian.

    1st if the mismatching uniforms. Yes I know the reson behind is that Ukies just take anything they are guven in aid by various nations. But I have to admit they manage to make it work.

    2nd is the different ages of those soldiers. They seem to be between 30 to 60 years old and again it somehow works. They don't appear liek maobiks taken off against their will but volunteers who ended in same team and formed comradery that woun't happen under different circumstances.

    Overall, I give if solid 9/10 as well done propaganda picture. Inspiring and comfy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a weird timeline. There are muslims, neo nazis, garden gnomes, and trannies fighting together against a common enemy lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing can motivate you to band together and forget past grievance than having a common hated enemy.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If the US wasn't enforcing NATO then Europeans would be killing each other.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would've done the same with zero hesitation, it's a war mate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he starts the story in the middle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wahey mate just like my saturday-night scraps mate wahey

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Every time the Russians have a "victory", the Ukrainians get stronger as the Russians get weaker.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It may also look like whole globohomo can't defeat one man and his private army.
    I mean your view depends on who your favorit team is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh my bad they fought to the death to the last man. Those videos of 46th getting ambushed on the retreat were deepfakes

      there has been 24 brigades rotated out of Bakhmut due to casualties sustained. 6 of them now are the ones involved in Kherson. It's their best 8

      More bullshit? Get on with your mass mobilisations, I'm looking for ward to watching you die here in webm while people post keks you trembling vatnik mobiks. Ready to die shiny and chrome for putin in the mud? Or is your father going? Its all good to me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't fell like dying for globohomo and capitalists either.
        I will rather continue shiposting from my tripple head battlestation and comfy italian leather chair than from trenches, I'm not much of an outdoors person.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice try PrepHoleopers kek

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    k/d ratio and force multiplication is cool and all,
    but zoom out a bit and study history, this war is only going to get worse for everyone involved and its not going to end cleanly either. its almost guaranteed to start back up

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >firing a ton of artillery too.
    It looks like they aren't even usig as much artillery as before, and that is why they are moving towards using constant attacks with prisoners and conscripts over small areas; I wonder how effective is this longterm

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    will these thirdie gays ever get bored of rotating between talking points?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What else can you do. You have no money, everything is expensive as fuck, it's cold outside and sky is gray.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        add "everyone outside is a cunt" and you will have described britain

        >Why the fuck would you allow people to flee the country
        Russia allows it.

        oh yes?

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