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Holy frick… why were the analyst scared of China again???

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    to get more funding
    america is corrupt af

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Isnt the Pentagon having to fearmongering Congress into giving them more money a sign of weak corruption? If they were really corrupt the military would have a blank check

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        to get more funding
        america is corrupt af

        These things are unrelated to corruption you sheltered homosexuals. If high corruption then the US military would be mothballed

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      American "corruption" is funny
      >CONGRESS PLEASE HELP US THE BADDIES ARE DESIGNING A BIG BAD NEW THING WE NEED MORE MONEY
      >OK HERE'S A TRILLION DOLLARS
      BRRRRRRRRR
      >five years later America has the super ultra death bringer 5000 mk4

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, it all starts because the baddies said they already had a big bad new thing that made our stuff useless. You figure the Soviets would have learned after the M-4 Bison bomber, but no, they went ahead and overhyped the Mig-25 and fifty years later upgraded F-15 sill mogs on anything the Russian Air Force has. Now the Chinese have gotten us to build this thing with the endless "muh unstoppable hypersonics" shilling.
        I have no idea how these morons still don't understand that lying about your capabilities to make the other guy think he can't conquer you is different from lying about your capabilities and making the other guy think you can conquer him. The first is deterrence (good), the second just sparks him to develop things you won't have a counter to (bad).

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I have no idea how these morons still don't understand that lying about your capabilities to make the other guy think he can't conquer you is different from lying about your capabilities and making the other guy think you can conquer him. The first is deterrence (good), the second just sparks him to develop things you won't have a counter to (bad).

          Not that bad actually. You con the other guy into spending large money for R&D. Remember Reagan's Star Wars Program? It was a lie to make the Russians spend more money for their military. the other nails in the coffin were their Afghanistan war and Reagan's deal with the Saudis to flood the world with cheap oil, depriving the Russians from earning money with theirs.
          A couple years later, the Soviet Union is no more.
          Pretty good if you ask me.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >America is corrupt
      >And yet were still producing incredible feats of technological engineering

      If we were giving them funding with nothing to show for like Russia or China then sure, I'd agree but the US has consistently proven it self to be at the cutting edge of military tech.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      so american corruption leads to cutting edge technology? what does russian or chinese corruption lead to?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They give a sergeant 100 rubles a week and then put him in charge of an AK47 warehouse with no oversight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pocketed money. No transparency plus corruption at all levels means that it's not a question of whether that money for winter uniforms gets stolen, but what the split between you and the guy you report to as you sell them off will be.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This

      so american corruption leads to cutting edge technology? what does russian or chinese corruption lead to?

      I feel like we're in the same boat as Russia before the Ukraine war, but we don't want to admit it. I mean, only 2 years ago a LHD burned down in the docks and people still don't have answers or if they do, they are covering themselves.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that just means the brass is moronic
        happens in peacetime

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You don't understand how bad russia/china is regarding corruption. They are far more damaging than American corruption.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          American corruption is like lobbying for the government overpaying for stuff that still actually works, or giving politicians and their families cushy jobs/contracts so they can buy out the companies that will actually end up doing the work

          Chinese/Russian corruption looks like replacing ERA with egg cartons and "tofu dreg" infrastructure projects (literally a Chinese term for shoddy build quality coined to refer to said infrastructure projects)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Every penny spent on the MIC is a penny not spent on fat girlbosses of color who are too strong and independent to hold down a job. It's a penny not funneled into some NGO used as a sinecure farm for the moronic daughters and gay sons of Democrat politicians so they can agitate for more refugees to come here. It's a penny not spent on gay-ass windmills and solar panels. Don't spend money on the poors, spend money to flex on them. That's what being white is all about.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I feel like we're in the same boat as Russia before the Ukraine war
        Is that why a dozen HIMARS turned the war around?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >people still don't have answers
        The Navy released a massive, self-effacing document on the mistakes that happened, how they happened, and why they won't happen again.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >and people still don't have answers

        There's literally a fricking multi-volume investigation report of every fricking little detail of teh whole thing avaiable under FOIA. You could have all the fricking answers, if you just weren'tt too fricking lazy to go and get them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russian Corruption:
      >Help! All our uniforms are missing and none of the tanks work!
      Chinese Corruption:
      >Help! Someone keeps selling all our ammo and we have to photoshop fake projects!
      Indian Corruption:
      >Help! We lost a million billion dollars for no reason and some horny guy just sold our nuclear codes!
      American Corruption:
      >Help! We just built a cutting edge stealth jet despite already being four generations ahead of anyone else and we have as any fleet carriers as everyone else on earth put together!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You are projecting again, Pidor.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Budgetary concerns.
    >Pwetty pwease congrwess, for just 100 billion more dollars can we defend America.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's cheaper than a war with China.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      * gets shot down by fifty year old junk…..sorry we didn’t know it was invisible *Serbian giggling

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't fly the same route repeatedly with the bomb bay open
        Problem solved.

        iirc if it's anything like the b-2, computing hundreds of micro adjustments per second to keep it airborne.

        This is the only way to fly "clean" flying wings, they trade minimum drag and radar return for being inherently aerodynamically unstable until you have a computer to shunt you from metastable state to metastable state so fast you think it's moving smoothly.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          iirc if it's anything like the b-2, computing hundreds of micro adjustments per second to keep it airborne.

          Well that sounds like a dubious tradeoff

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, modern computers can be made reliable and powerful enough to handle it, it's only a tradeoff if your avionics suck.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You realize every single fighter plane since the F-16 is also nearly unflyable without the computer? Negative stability means sharper turns but well... negative stability...

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's pretty similar to what people do instinctively to ride a bike or even just stand up straigh

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Also, split flaps.

          But yes, the B-2 can fly "clean" with the split flaps closed (as you can see in pic related they're slightly open even in straight and level flight at cruise altitude in order to use differential drag for yaw control) but it has very limited maneuverability and likely uses some form of hyper-classified boundary layer control system to vary drag and lift across the wings in lieu of the control surfaces when flying in such a configuration.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The flaps are just to hide the Area 51 ayylium tech inside.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I still remember one time way back in the 90s my i bore witness to a B-2 doing a low over pass over my grandparents house and it was probably one of the coolest things I've ever seen. They lived like a mile and a half away from some major airport in Brandon Mississippi and we would always watch the air shows from the back yard, getting to watch the thunderbirds do their shit was cool as frick BUT man I'll never forget that B-2

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Same. Really weird to see fly.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >likely uses some form of hyper-classified boundary layer control system to vary drag and lift across the wings in lieu of the control surfaces when flying in such a configuration.
            They positively charge the ions going over the leading edge. They also negatively charge the exhaust flow to reduce IR signature. That's where the whole B-2 is antigravity tech comes from.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >that pic
              My God what a bunch of moronic nonsense.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How so? The A-12/SR-71 used a cesium fuel additive called A-50 to ionize the exhaust plume to reduce RCS [1]. Along with project Kempster, which used an electron cannon to ionize the intake charge ahead of the inlet, which also reduced RCS [2]. Ionization of the flow field over the leading edge has shown to lead to a more uniform lameness flow field over the upper wing surface, reducing drag and increasing subsonic efficiency [3][4].

                [1]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29787/the-sr-71-blackbirds-predecessor-created-plasma-stealth-by-burning-cesium-laced-fuel
                [2]https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/project-kempster-lockheed-a-12-and-plasma-stealth.2533/
                [3]https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1205&context=discovery-day
                [4]https://www.electrofluidsystems.com/news/Goeksel-Abstract-Euromech2004.pdf

                Not my problem you're a brainlet.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Did you miss the last sentence claiming the b2 can supercruise with the engines switched off, Mr. Galaxybrain?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I thought it was clear that the antigravity tech schizo's ramble on about is a system to reduce radar RCS, IR signature, a long with improving the airfoil efficiency. Has nothing to do with Ayy shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Look at those trailing edge control surfaces working overtime in the banked turn, that's really cool.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Now explain the antigravity part.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I thought it was clear that the antigravity tech schizo's ramble on about is a system to reduce radar RCS, IR signature, a long with improving the airfoil efficiency. Has nothing to do with Ayy shit.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              If this were true then Darkstar would also be anti-gravity

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          't fly the same route repeatedly with the bomb bay open
          this
          you have to be really moronic to say that the F117 thing in any way invalidates stealth
          if anything it lends it credence to it since the Air Force assumed they COULD do that and they almost got away with it

          https://i.imgur.com/ZElaoan.jpg

          Also, split flaps.

          But yes, the B-2 can fly "clean" with the split flaps closed (as you can see in pic related they're slightly open even in straight and level flight at cruise altitude in order to use differential drag for yaw control) but it has very limited maneuverability and likely uses some form of hyper-classified boundary layer control system to vary drag and lift across the wings in lieu of the control surfaces when flying in such a configuration.

          wonder if its simpler than that and they just use satellite style SAS reaction wheels when they absolutely must fly clean

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >wonder if its simpler than that and they just use satellite style SAS reaction wheels
            Reaction wheels are extremely heavy and need to be pretty large in diameter. B-2 doesn't have the space for them, B-21 is too light based on the landing gear wheel count

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You can compensate for that by running them at unbelievably high speeds. Remember, a jet bomber has a lot more spare power than a solar powered satellite.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's where it gets "hyper-classified".

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You can only run them so fast before they rip themselves apart or the axle starts wobbling. It's just a bad idea man

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                THE MAGIC OF FLUID BEARINGS WILL SAVE US!
                unironically though

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You'd need a big fricking reaction wheel to control an aircraft that size, lol.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Reaction wheels don't work IRL like they do in KSP. They're good for making very small, precise adjustments on space telescopes and satellites in a vacuum. Less good for controlling a 70-150 ton aircraft in atmosphere.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Horten brothers showed that you don't need aero instability to make flying wings without vertical fins, making it aerodynamically unstable has more to do with increasing efficiency and allowing a larger variation in center of gravity position.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Horten brothers showed that you don't need aero instability to make flying wings without vertical fins, making it aerodynamically unstable has more to do with increasing efficiency and allowing a larger variation in center of gravity position.
            Does the b21 look like it has the horten style wing design? The outer wingtips do appear twisted forward to me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Serbian Black folk are literally proud of shooting 1 aircraft after letting thousands or bombing sorties go through and letting their entire country get bombed into submission.

        Frick around and find out. Again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You don't have healthcare because quality of life is not as much of an american value as consumer rights are. If you wanted free healthcare you could afford it ezy, with no issue for your MIC.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's a nonstarter if you know anything about US politics. Whether you want it or not is moot if you know in your heart that the US version would make the Canadian version look efficient and transparent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >free
      Free healthcare is an unsustainable meme even IF you gut your military. It's not a coincidence why the places with free healthcare are also all instituting government assisted suicide, it's cheaper and they're already recommending it more and more strongly over various expensive procedures and gear. Some poor Canadian veteran who needed a chairlift to get around her house, still young enough for blonde hair, was told "if having to climb up and down the stairs with your arms dragging your chair is so painful and depressing, have you considered killing yourself?" By the Canadian health service. Nothing is free.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i love how americans really believe that lie
    Their defense spending is only 3.3% of the their GDP

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      3.3% of US gdp is more than 100% in most of the world

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i know but it's not a constraint
        americans don't have good healthcare because obamacare is moronic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          3.3 also doesn't even include the private industry which the military mooches off of.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no we don't have good healthcare because our government and corporations are a mix of corrupt, incompetent, or uncaring of health.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >elimination of ‘le preexisting conditions’ loophole bad
          Obamacare is worth it just for eliminating the most vile of scams the insurance companies were pulling

          >i know we have been taking your money for decades when you were healthy
          >and know you need expensive treatment
          >lucky for you there is nothing stopping us from-
          >WHOA WHOA WHOA
          >HOL UP
          >is that-
          >is that a fricking nosebleed from 1991 that you didnt disclose?
          >how DARE you
          >fricking sneaky frick, you almost had us payong for your expensive brain cancer treatments
          The biggest companies were literally using up to ONE THIRD of their workforce to comb over medical records to try and weasel out of paying big money for seriously (re: expensively) ill patients.

          Frick insurance companies. The increasing access to mental healthcare was great too. Change was needed; it may have not been pretty but it was adequate to address the problems it was designed to fix.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          American government also spends more on healthcare than most of the world

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            because the healthcare system was designed by the insurers and the government is happy to invite foreigners in to take advantage of it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no we don't have good healthcare because our government and corporations are a mix of corrupt, incompetent, or uncaring of health.

          You're gays. American healthcare is unironically the best in the world. Rich people in other countries come HERE for treatment when they get sick, and only go elsewhere if a procedure is so unethical or dangerous that American doctors won't do it. However, it costs money. If you have a job, you have health insurance and won't be getting the crazy fees you see memed by people who don't have insurance and try to use an ambulance as a taxi. All those countries with "free healthcare" don't have a military, you can wait in line for a lifesaving surgery for weeks if you're unlucky, the care in their hospitals is demonstrably lesser grade (when was the last time you heard of an American dying of a broken leg?), and increasingly the Health Services in those countries won't let you get more expensive procedures and will instead try to strongarm you into worse solutions, including assisted suicide. USA #1, unironically.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No Americans believe this, we just like explosive stuff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they
      >their
      >forgetting that 3.3% of our gdp is 760 B
      >china, the runner up, spends 230B

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nominal amounts isn't a great comparison though
        they can get more for their money because their salaries are what, 1/10 what we're paying our dudes?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, you actually think most of the cost comes from baseline grunt worker salaries?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >manned
    lol
    >subsonic
    lmao even

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >muh supersonic
      Get the frick out of here Sonichu

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Please tell me why a stealth bomber should be supersonic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if the enemy figures out through intelligence or through getting really lucky or the raider is sent on a moronic and reckless mission, that there's "something vaguely in this area" and sends interceptors, it needs to be able to run

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Part of me wants to know the context of that gif, and another part of me doesn't want to know.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Have ever heard the tale of Darth Sanoichu the Motherfricker? It is not a tale the /k/ommando's would tell you...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >stealth bomber
      >supersonic
      lol moron

      also
      >unmanned
      oh no no no

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How quickly will China manufacture infinity copies?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      When do they usually harvest bamboo?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    One gets hit by a lucky shot…..
    China has a hundred by the end of the week

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How quickly will China manufacture infinity copies?

      * gets shot down by fifty year old junk…..sorry we didn’t know it was invisible *Serbian giggling

      Ballistic missiles made bombers obsolete, this is nothing but dying empire clawing for some relevance of prestige

      very organic
      it doesn't drop unguided bombs, morons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      China doesn't have working jet engines yet.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ballistic missiles made bombers obsolete, this is nothing but dying empire clawing for some relevance of prestige

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Ballistic missiles made bombers obsolete
      You do realize that modern bombers carry big fricking missiles and not dumb bombs right

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      America makes the most advanced ballistic missiles, you stupid chink

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So how do these craft maintain stability without vertical control surfaces? The central body?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      iirc if it's anything like the b-2, computing hundreds of micro adjustments per second to keep it airborne.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yup, they're fairly simple to fly, as long as everything goes right on the software side. Wing planes just require plenty of gyros for autopilot to keep auto correcting flight.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Multi engine aircraft can use asymmetrical engine thrust for yaw control.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      By being a very stable design. Yaw is controlled by differential drag from the split drag rudder/split ailerons or 'clamshells'. Open the clamshell to increase drag on the wing on the side of the B-2 you wish to turn towards.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >tail
        Wtf, I love the B-2 now

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >By being a very stable design.
        wat
        isn't one of the big things about flying wings with radical geometry like the b-2 that they need to be fly-by-wire because they're inherently unstable(by design)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A flying wing with sufficient wing sweep will be statically stable in yaw. Combine that with a flight computer and split flaps or differential thrust that can deal with some of the other negative flight characteristics of tailless flying wings and you can dump those draggy vertical surfaces.

      I would love to see a forward sweapt flying wing (entirely unstable) kept in check by a good flight control computer. Would make for a real difficult RC modeling challenge.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because...the Chinese, they play jokes...and they go pee pee in OUR cokes. There's our reason to fear them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are you serious?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There’s a reason coke has distributed bottling plants around the U.S. we can’t trust you to produce it and we will never allow ourselves to be fooled again.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can these be filled with anti air?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, it's a bomber, not a fighter. Morons keep doing misleading cring shit like OP.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >anons somehow draw conclusions about capability from mere pictures
    we truly have the greatest experts browisng /k/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Has obviously been in a coma for the last 9 months.
      homie, seeing how poorly russian designed shit is faring next door to russia (getting mogged by our old shit from the Cold War and old Soviet stocks) and china being very closely connected tech-wise to the russians, it is going to take both nations combined over 60 years to even get close to competing with the B-21.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's an F-15E or F-111 class aircraft that costs as much as a B-1. It's a piece of shit and you government suckpoppets are posting these damage control threads because of it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      haha yes all of those aircraft are literally the same
      you're lucky this board doesn't have flags

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >guys WHATABOUTRUSSIA???
        Analysts have said that it likely has a similar payload to the F-111 based on its smaller size and two wheel front landing gear. And yes, payload really does matter, because real bombers (not fake bullshit like the B-21) carry enough ordnance to strike *multiple* targets on a single bombing run. In a peer war against China, the B-21 can only launch a single tactical strike on a specific target, and then it has to fly *ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN* to re-arm. Its slow speed and low payload means that it's not capable of the operational tempo needed to significantly impact an enemy's operations in a peer war.

        Can you fed shills please frick off from /k/? Pic related.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You've been already caught multiple times with your fake as frick passport. Open it or gtfo

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Post a link to one single time where I was """"""""""caught """""""""" you lying shill.
            >please dox yourself so I can extrajudicially persecute you IRL ;_;
            Get fricked, glowBlack person. Prove you're even American and not another one of these outsourced eastern European shill farm workers.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't have to prove shit

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ahahahaha he bought the fricking sig

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's the most American/least likely to have been recently exported gun that I own.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it doesn't matter man you came out as a SIGGER infront of the whole board!!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >imagine buying a sig
              lol homosexual alert, 100% mossad agent trying to derail, nice try fed, we see past your projection

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >he bought into the sig
              homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT homosexual ALERT

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Hapanda is that you? I remember your notoriously terrible taste in firearms you showed off claiming to own.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Bought a Sig
              >Bought the worst Sig
              Oh god, I'm so sorry. I didn't know you were genuinely special needs.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          so if it has half the payload they can just send 2 bombers
          they are building over 100 of em compared to the measly 20 b2s they currently have

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >B-1 payload: 125,000 pounds
            >B-21 payload: 30,000 pounds
            Both of these aircraft cost the same when adjusted for inflation. It will take 4X as many B-21s to match the operational capability of the B-1s that it's replacing. (The B-21 is a B-1 replacement, not a B-2 replacement.)

            https://i.imgur.com/EUs5FoU.jpg

            I don't have to prove shit

            No timestamp = not your gun. You know the rules, fed.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              the b1 isnt stealth and has no survivability
              it has no use outside of being a long range missile truck
              all that lost capability is replaced by rapid dragon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >B-1s with their currently deployed low observable coatings and ECMs, which were specifically designed for survivability, are going to be less survivable than mexican women pushing bombs out of a C-17
                This is your brain on glowBlack person propaganda.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                thats not what i said moron
                the b1 doesnt have the survivability to perform deep strikes inside heavily defended territory like the b2 or b21
                its only use in a peer war would be acting as a standoff missile truck which is something that can be done by b52s or rapid dragon

                the b21s lower payload compared to the b2 (which it is also replacing) is made up by having over 5 times the amount of b21s
                the air force has determined that numerous smaller bombers is superior than very few larger bombers

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                B-52s and rapid dragon cannot operate in contested airspace whatsoever. They're only useful for bombing third world countries. There will be a lot of ship-based AA aircraft activity over the western Pacific that will deny them the ability to operate there, to say nothing of CAP.
                >is made up by having over 5 times the amount of b21s
                Now you're just straight up lying. Current plans call for producing the same number of B-21s as B-1s. Even if they did 5X the production run, that would still mean 5X the cost of the B-1 program. The cost is the same, so you could have had 5X the number of large bombers instead of 5X of these dumbed down B-21 strike fighters. You will also probably try to misconstrue this as me arguing for a B-1 production restart, but I'm simply using it as a benchmark here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>is made up by having over 5 times the amount of b21s
                im talking about the b2
                the b21 is replacing both the b1 and b2

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's replacing the B-1 and supplementing the B-2. You're intentionally ignoring the larger implications for the degradation of our strategic bombing capability.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the b1 isnt capable of performing the same mission as the b21
                the b1 is useless in a peer war outside of firing missiles from standoff range which is something that can be done by b52s or rapid dragon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >cannot operate in a contested airspace
                isn't the whole point of rapid dragon to have enough range that you don't need to do that?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >isn't the whole point of rapid dragon to have enough range that you don't need to do that?
                That is exactly the point of Rapid Dragon, it's a pallet of cruise missiles that have between 600 and 1200 mile range depending on the exact model so you can just kick them out of the back of a C-17 instead of having to tie up a dedicated bomber for that mission

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >B-52s cannot operate in contested airspace whatsoever.
                The B-52 can carry things besides gravity bombs, anon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ok ok think about it this way
                >use honduran femoid as counterweight to launch super long range rotary detonation engine cruise missiles
                >instead of 1 b1 flying the same path low and fast, there are 10 cruise missiles
                >b1 gets shot down, permanently affects strategic reserve
                >cruise missile gets shot down (smaller target too), who gives a frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mexican women pushing bombs out of a C-17
                I'm sure this made sense in your head.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The point of the B21 is once you engage targets you blow up the enemy radar and they now know where to look for you.

            B2s don't use most of their payload ability because of this, which is why the smaller lighter harder to find B21 did not have this as a priority.

            First don't be where they expect you
            Second don't be seen
            Third don't be targeted
            Fourth don't get hit
            Fifth don't be downed.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              see

              https://i.imgur.com/9FpvflY.jpg

              >guys WHATABOUTRUSSIA???
              Analysts have said that it likely has a similar payload to the F-111 based on its smaller size and two wheel front landing gear. And yes, payload really does matter, because real bombers (not fake bullshit like the B-21) carry enough ordnance to strike *multiple* targets on a single bombing run. In a peer war against China, the B-21 can only launch a single tactical strike on a specific target, and then it has to fly *ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN* to re-arm. Its slow speed and low payload means that it's not capable of the operational tempo needed to significantly impact an enemy's operations in a peer war.

              Can you fed shills please frick off from /k/? Pic related.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wtf does a passport prove you huge homosexual?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >YOU'RE A VATNIK!!! GUISE WHATABOUTRUSSIA???
            >*posts passport*
            >t-this doesn't mean anything

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              you do not need to be russian to be a vatnik.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/e032lFO.jpg

          Post a link to one single time where I was """"""""""caught """""""""" you lying shill.
          >please dox yourself so I can extrajudicially persecute you IRL ;_;
          Get fricked, glowBlack person. Prove you're even American and not another one of these outsourced eastern European shill farm workers.

          >Amerimutt simping for Russia
          >Buys a SIG
          >obsesses over glowBlack folk
          Fricking poetry

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >peer war against china
          China is not a peer nation. Having smaller ordinances means frick all if you have the numbers to make up for the amount of bombs drop. Along with it having better stealth, better eletronics/avionics, better engines and so on. The b2 also been proven to need less bombs than what it can carry in every operation. Why drop X amount of bombs/missiles when you can precisely destroy the same targets for less? Quantity doesn't mean shit if you're not able to hit anything and the off chance that the bomber gets shot down would result in another bomber fulfilling its role.

          >B-1 payload: 125,000 pounds
          >B-21 payload: 30,000 pounds
          Both of these aircraft cost the same when adjusted for inflation. It will take 4X as many B-21s to match the operational capability of the B-1s that it's replacing. (The B-21 is a B-1 replacement, not a B-2 replacement.)

          [...]
          No timestamp = not your gun. You know the rules, fed.

          https://i.imgur.com/hL6auqY.jpg

          >B-1s with their currently deployed low observable coatings and ECMs, which were specifically designed for survivability, are going to be less survivable than mexican women pushing bombs out of a C-17
          This is your brain on glowBlack person propaganda.

          The b1 is not a stealth aircraft. The plane has been stated to be able to fly at high speeds and fast enough to penetrate through air spaces while flying low. It fufills a different purpose than what the b2/b21 does. The b21 is mainly there to replace the b2, which is aging.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >American passport
          Our most prolific chink shill has one of those.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You realize they can land on carriers, right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/9FpvflY.jpg

      >guys WHATABOUTRUSSIA???
      Analysts have said that it likely has a similar payload to the F-111 based on its smaller size and two wheel front landing gear. And yes, payload really does matter, because real bombers (not fake bullshit like the B-21) carry enough ordnance to strike *multiple* targets on a single bombing run. In a peer war against China, the B-21 can only launch a single tactical strike on a specific target, and then it has to fly *ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN* to re-arm. Its slow speed and low payload means that it's not capable of the operational tempo needed to significantly impact an enemy's operations in a peer war.

      Can you fed shills please frick off from /k/? Pic related.

      >B-1 payload: 125,000 pounds
      >B-21 payload: 30,000 pounds
      Both of these aircraft cost the same when adjusted for inflation. It will take 4X as many B-21s to match the operational capability of the B-1s that it's replacing. (The B-21 is a B-1 replacement, not a B-2 replacement.)

      [...]
      No timestamp = not your gun. You know the rules, fed.

      >i just know the exact payload of aircraft just by looking at it.
      >I just know, ok, because it's central to my argument.
      Can you go be a schizo elsewhere?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >suckpoppets
      what did they mean by this
      >succ

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you government sockpuppets
      You're a government sockpuppet even in your state, Chang.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >suckpoppets
      Not even trying to hide it anymore, Chicom?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Can easily defeat rusBlack folk and chinkoids with 11 gorillion gen wunderwaffe
    >Said wunderwaffe could easily be controlled by a few dozen morons with PSA ARS
    USA USA USA USA USA

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t there a thing called Vera Radar that can detect stealth planes? It’s NATO tech, but the Chinese can copy it or develop their own eventually.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fearmongering makes money, next

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it wasnt scared so much as warning to keep an eye on china because they are beginning to actively try and unfrick their shit

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This shiny toy won't help america in a war against China and Russia. Your economy will collapse sooner than you make a dozen of these, and then a civil/racial war will be the final nail in the coffin lid of the dying american empire. You will no longer threaten the world, your time is over, Pax americana is no more. Pax Multipolaris, led by China, Russia, India, Iran and Brazil is ascending.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Pax Multipolaris
      So the world in the first half of 1914?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You slightly overdid it but I can't hate you for baiting for (You)s.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Morning in Moscow, the city awakes; to the raids of B21
    >Moskva crewmen? Fishes. The tankerman bakes; In the raids of B21

    >From the big bombs as loud as the thunder!
    >To the stealth turbines soft as a psalm...

    >And some say the soul of America lies in the bombs....
    >The bombs of B21!

    >Dark was the night when the sorties began, from Montana, B21
    >Two pinko powers slept silently under the sights of B21!

    >But a trap had been laid for the Luyang
    >And they gazed up in fear and alarm
    >At a bomber whose ranges were unfair as their wieners,
    >The Raider B21!

    >Monke Vlad longed to purge the world of gays and westernism
    >And he saw corruption everywhere except within

    >Blyat suka, blyat suka
    >HATO TRANNIES
    >Blyat suka, blyat suka
    >HATO TRANNIES
    >Blyat suka, blyat suka
    >HATO TRANNIES
    >Blyat suka, blyat suka
    >HATO TRANNIES

    >See there the Ukrainian blood you have spilt, on the plains of Crimea
    >Blyat, I'm guiltless they voted wrong, I must shoot
    >Now you would add conscripts blood to your guilt, end Russia by B21?
    >My banan rights are clear!

    >You can lie to yourself and your minions! You can claim that you've done no warcrime!
    >But you never can run from the new stealth top gun and AI! The long range Raider B21!!!!!!

    >Now here is a riddle now guess if you can, who'll end first by the B21?
    >Which power was shittier, ended by Afghaaaaaaans?
    >Drop the shells shells shells shells
    >SHELLS SHELLS SHELLS SHELLS
    >RAIDER B TWENTY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ok nato desk jockey, chill. You guys are always silent on the chink threat.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    B-21bros, how is she so damn SEXY

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not so much scared as they just want to keep China from doing anything stupid. Mainly the constant threats to Taiwan. If for some insane reason they decide to go through with it, frickton of disruption all over the world, they're the top chipmaker, and if Japan and South Korea have to get involved as well to help they are also big suppliers. China won't conquer the region or anything, but if they're insane they'll cause a lot more chaos than Putin's stupid invasion of Ukraine.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It'll be hilarious when China releases an inferior B-2 clone after the B-2's replacement has already been released.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because China will soon be the world's biggest economy, which means it gets to call a lot of shots, the regime there is pretty unpleasant, and they are rapidly building their military capabilities. I don't know why this wouldn't worry you, especially if you live in Asia.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >will soon be the worlds largest economy
      You should follow the news more, Chinese long term growth projections have been slashed since 2020, most now think china won’t over take the us

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Well, they're expected to have as many nukes as Russia in about a decade, and their new nukes are more likely to work than Russia's old nukes. That's a valid cause for concern.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because chinks are Black folk that steal shit from others. Design your own shit, dipshits

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No one is scared of China per se. Maybe the less savvy of the legislature who consume fear-mongering reports on Chinese military capability. have you read these things? They push all Chinese propaganda as if it's factual. I believe the more experienced politicos even know that it's all or mostly BS to secure budget, but they need to have something they can use to explain to the media that the money needs to be spent.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Quick rundown on why it is better than the B-2 apart from readiness rates and maintenance?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      More of them should be major advantage. Future warfare demands connected planes with drones. it will also be better at low altitude because of weight alone. Drone version will be even lighter. Finally, it's more optimised for regular warfare, b2's primary role was primarily nuclear deterrent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      data linking and management is going to be a huge one. The more efficient higher bypass motors will reduce IR signature too. Mostly, though, the more durable newer generation stealth technology means that it will suffer less degradation of performance with use and weather.

      It's also probably optionally manned.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >implying improved readiness rates and lower maintenance costs is not a huge benefit already
      Lower production cost, better sensor package, designed using computers many times more powerful than back in the day, more powerful flight computers with room for upgrades (“open architecture” is the marketing term, just means they’ve thought about making sure plugging in something new into the plane is slightly less painful than before). Unless you believe engineers just sit with their thumbs up their asses while pocketing the defense budget this thing is at bare minimum an iterative improvement to the B-2. And it’s smaller size, unlike what this “muh Pattun better than Abrum and F-16 should only have gun and AIM-9s”-tier moron having more of a smaller plane that can still carry the bombs you need it to carry, just less of them is advantageous in a peer-conflict. Putting all your eggs in one basket vs dispersing them so only a few break if one basket gets smacked instead of all of them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Fug I meant its not it’s

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a smaller plane that can still carry the bombs you need it to carry, just less of them is advantageous
        Is this shill serious?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >one plane out of 20 gets shot down, lose 5% of your total bombload
          >one plane out of 40 gets shot down, lose 2.5% of your total bombload
          Even assuming the B-21 is only about as stealthy as the B-2 and carries 1/2 of the payload, and only twice as many are built you still are better off with the B-21 than the B-2, assuming the B-21 can carry the same types of bombs as the B-2 can. The B-21 comes even further ahead if it’s nukes they’re dropping because you can hit twice as many targets simultaneously given the assumptions I gave and losing a B-2 means you are unable to hit twice as many targets as compared to losing a B-21. Sorry I’m not a drooling moron who thinks
          >big plen = better plen
          There is a bare minimum size of course but as long as you can carry any bomb in the US arsenal the B-2 could with the B-2s range and can fit the avionics in there the issue of how small you make them is purely a budgetary issue

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sweet, someone with a working brain.

    • 1 year ago
      RC-135 Rivet Joint

      Lower RCS
      Remotely Operating capabilities.
      ISR Node/Networking improvements.
      Probably can mount a direct energy weapon for point defense(ventrally) and sensor blinding.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Holy frick… why were the analyst scared of China again???
    Why are we pretending like this picture of an airplane is impressive? It's literally just a stealth bomber, we already have those.

    Does it turn invisible?
    Does it go into space?
    Does it transform it into a robot like a veritech fighter?

    I'm sick of this MIC bullshit.
    We literally know nothing about this plane.
    We literally know nothing about what it can do.
    For all we know, it's a worse plane than the old B-2 bomber.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cool shilling but it's better and your country (China) sucks dog penises.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Good Lord, the amount of chink, vatnik, and generalized thirdy cope over the Great White Bat is unreal.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure the Chinese are going to be suitably intimated ~30 years from now when this thing actually enters service in relevant numbers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The US isn't Russia or China.

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