>Heckler & Koch won a rebooted competition to supply Germany’s next standard assault rifle after an initial surprise loss.
HK bros, we finally did It: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/the-hk416-finally-looks-set-to-be-germanys-next-standard-rifle
How dare they not use America’s turboBlack person round!
America isn't even planning on using the turboBlack person round, it's only for DMR's and GPMG's in use with special forces.
ALL LMGs
Damn XM250 is so much lighter than a 249 or 240, those are definitely being replaced
The GPMG with SOF is Sig’s MG338, fricker weighs less than a PKM but is in Norma magnum. It’s been in use for a few years already
the m250 is really the reason Sig won. the army wanted a lmg that didnt weigh over 15 lbs unloaded
338 Norma
300 round loadout
might as well give the hajis $1.5k to just go home and skip the middle man.
The program is to replaced the m4a1. It's socom does not use the m4a1. So looks like your moronic.
They will not field .277 Turbomutt at all, watch. It needs a special tungsten round to actually penetrate level 4 armor, when tungsten .308/7.62 NATO can already do that. It's excessive recoil and excessive wear on barrel life for very little benefit.
That's absolutely false on all counts. All infantrymen will be issued the XM5.
The US only has 110k infantrymen?
So the French and German armies are going to use the same rifles. Interesting.
Norway and the US marine corps are using the 416 too
still would've kinda preferred if they had chosen the 433, but I guess the 416 is proven and a safe bet
it's the same gas system and bolt but with a square shaped carrier for the folding stock.
basically redundant
folding stock is useful
Not only is the folding stock useful, but the ability to use a gas mask stock is really beneficial.
I’m team HK433. It hasn’t had any adopters but it looks to be a damn fine rifle and apparently cheaper than the HK 416.
>It hasn’t had any adopters
Not so fast! The 437 (433 in 300blk) has been recently selected for the police force of a German state
>the ugliest version of the gun
Why.
And for the love of god, what's with the mismatching colors, this is giving me eye cancer.
What a stumpy little lad. Cute.
>what's with the mismatching colors, this is giving me eye cancer.
if the enemy looks at it his brain will shut down with disgust
Wtf no. The entire bolt carrier group is different, as is the charging handle. Guess why the 433 can have a folding stock and the 416 can not? Spoiler: it doesn't have a fricking buffer spring in the stock.
it's the same bolt as the g36 which is the same bolt as 416.
and the same square carrier as the g36
"The bolt of the new HK433 assault rifle is based on the Heckler & Koch G36, but is equipped with a firing pin safety and self-lubricating sliding elements."
and france
>2026-4
>no full length handguard
Militaries want to mount bayonets and grenade launchers without it hanging way off the handguard.
>bayonets
They should focus on getting the guys an extra magazine instead. moronic outdated thinking.
>mounting grenade launchers
What a dogshit idea. 320>203 all day every day. Glad we don't do this dumb shit anymore.
>>>>
Hehey, I was hoping for this back during the first trials because I still had hopes for increased European military cooperation.
small arms don't matter that much. FCAS and MGCS are much more important. I also wish Germany and France (and maybe Spain) would develop an MPA aircraft based on the A320neo instead of Germany buying the P-8A Poseidon, but oh well.
France got fricked over by not getting the latest improvements that Germany is going to get : the redesigned adjustable gas block (previous one was shit so the French military opted to have a fixed gas block) and the quick release handguard disassembly lever instead of the big phillips screw.
Then again, it was the French military's fault for not asking for those features, and accepting the gun as proposed by HK, since it wasn't a real tender anyway, and HK was planned to win from the beginning, this was just the usual political bullshitery.
my only question is why did they downgrade it from the a5 and a7, those were much more modern, this shit literally has a moronic cheek piece, m16a1 style grip, weird barrel profile with bayonet attachment lug being on a thicker portion which makes it inconsistent, also keymod
I guess the people calling the shots aren't as well-informed as you are, anon.
no need to be ironic, a7 was also adopted by germans but as G95 for sof units, thats bassicly the same gun but with better features
The A2 style grip angle is perfect for shooting prone, which is what most infantry will be doing instead of competitive shooting
ok but why do other militaries use more vertical grips, france, norway, other sof units with standard 416 grips, AKs also have more vertical grips etc.
>my only question is why did they downgrade it from the a5 and a7, those were much more modern, this shit literally has a moronic cheek piece, m16a1 style grip, weird barrel profile with bayonet attachment lug being on a thicker portion which makes it inconsistent, also keymod
I can answer this. Cheek riser was most requested feature by the soldiers. A2 style grip is standard for literally every western army (see french or Norwegian 416's). Not Keymod, it sucks, it's HKey. No MLOK because of licensing issues, also because France, Norway and UK also use HKey.
not true about the grip, france and norway have much more straight angled grips, besides 416 always had a more vertical grip
Norwegian grip
The early ones had the A2 style grip
That looks an awful lot like the CQD end plate.
BG16 is my new fav.
Cha-ching
French grip
MOD told HKto frick off with the proprietary HKey bullshit and use M-Lok for A3 production.
>pic related
New Bundeswehr rifle is partly semi-covert government bailout of HK, too.
>vfg with integrated bipod
I thought those were notoriously shit?
>France, Norway and UK also use HKey.
Both the HK 416N and 416F use picatinny
Newest versions have HKey with mountable Picrails, just like the german 416 A8.
We've done away with that stock on ours. New one is basically HK's version of the Magpul stock.
Old one would not work well with the bodyarmour due to the width
Apparently the 416 is front heavy so they just made the front lighter
It's the closest thing we'll get to SOVL in this age, SHUT THE FRICK UP
>No barrel mounted front sight
Why live
>slowly but surely all militaries adopt a gun based on the AR platform
How did Armalite get it so right bros?
>slowly but surely all militaries lose their sovl and reduce to zog copy paste garbage
>zog
Have sex incel
Its g36 platform with ar ergos
eh. The piston is, but literally everything else is AR-15. Even the G36 piston is a straight copy of the way the AR-15 does it, right down to the gas rings. I bought the brownells kit honestly knowing nothing about the HK416 and that surprised me when putting it together.
It's a pretty sad story, the import ban murdered European small arms manufacturers in the long run, and the AR15 monopolize the American market. And morons today are sure that this is the best platform because so much shit for it was made.
It's more like private industry has responded to the American government and public's fixation with ARs.
>making AR15 is a good thing
>people who can't afford HK don't like HK
Yes
Hk doesn’t make AR-15’s.
The HK416 is an AR-15, it just has a really small gas tube.
Maybe if HK gave half a frick and made their civ market "416" not be a gimped trash version of the real thing you'd have more people praising them. Instead you either have to drop $10k or make an HK HAUS abomination to make a 416 more true to the real thing despite HK having the manufacturing capabilities in the US to make a version that isn't dogshit.
What's gimped about the MR223A3 out of curiosity?
Nothing besides being obscenely expensive and it isn't a US made gun but rather Euro market imports sold in the US. The actual USDM MR556* (forgot that MR223 and MR556 are the different market designations) has a terrible barrel, barrel profile, inferior gas block, bunch of other pretty minor details that make the USDM gun not a true 416.
Norway's Forsvarets Spesialkommando uses the Colt Canada C8SFW as their primary AR-15 rifle because they like the heavy barrel profile on the C8 compared to the HK 416, the UKSF also uses the C8 for similar reasons.
and I'm pretty sure the Estonian SOF is switching to the LMT R20 Rahe that the EDF has recently adopted. they use the G36 alongside the HK 416 anyways, so they might just be equipping SOF guys with them so that they have parts compatibility when they get deployed to Mali alongside the French.
>they like the heavy barrel profile on the C8 compared to the HK 416
Have you seen an HK416 barrel? Those things are thicc.
Forgot the U.S. Marine Corps.
Not sure that would have strengthened the argument.
literally untrue since french govt said then chose the HK416 for political reasons and not performances
>source: I made it the frick up
source: holland literally said it to journalists few years ago after his mandate was over
cope and seethe krautsucker
>Source: I pulled out of my ass
Macron said a few weeks ago that you're a little b***h
have fun being wrong and choke on it krautsucker
>Germany has replaced it's AR-18 with another AR-18
wow
moron
The 416, like the scar is not an ar18 moron
try again
I’m sorry but what you refer to as an “AR-18 clone” is actually a m1 carbine clone, a rifle invented almost 30 years prior. You see, the m1 carbine uses a short-stroke (or gas tappet as it was called at the time) system to operate a rotating bolt in a semi-automatic rifle. This rifle began development in 1938 at the Winchester Repeating Arms company at the request of the US ordnance department for a small, light rifle that can be used by support troops. David “carbine” Williams (inventor of the gas tappet) often gets all the credit for the invention of this rifle, but he was actually a pretty big detriment to the project as he often threw fits and refused to work if he didn’t get his way. We should give our thanks to the whole team that invented this weapon, and all of the derivatives that it resulted in! If you would like to know more about this great weapon the book series “War Baby!” by Larry L. Ruth is a great resource, although it is a little pricey.
Arguing over which rifle gets to be the "short stroke piston" true source is a headache in every thread it happens. The SVT-38 entered actual production in 1938, which means it predates the M1 Carbine. Regardless, the M1 Carbine's tappet gas system that the SCAR's gas system was inspired by has obvious differences from the "traditional short stroke piston design" that most people think of. The SVT-38 both came first and has a gas system more similar to the likes of modern short stroke systems like the G36, 416, Bren 2, and yes, the AR18.
I still hate the idea of everything being an "AR18 clone" or god forbid an "SVT38 clone" simply because of it being a short stroke gas system. We don't call every long stroke system an AK clone.
Speak for yourself, I call everything that lobs a lead bullet at a target a Brown Bess clone
Its just Americans being insecure as usual, since theyre incapable of producing a quality small arms since 1911.
says the europoor who uses a Eugene stoner designed weapon
>We don't call every long stroke system an AK clone.
that's because every long stroke system, including the AK, is a Garand clone
>not knowing that the AR18 uses the SVT- 40 / 38 style of operating system
frick if you are going to move the goalpost at least do it right annon
Him:
>The 416 is not an AR18
You:
>here is proof that the G36 is an AR18
are you genuinely moronic?
>416 uses the gas system of the G36
>G36 uses the gas system of the AR18
>calls me a brainlet
hello nogunz
416 is a 15/18 hybrid, dipshits. It has a 15 style BCG and buffer tube but an 18 style gas system.
i fixed it
no need to thank me, turkish engineers in germany
Thanks
>that grip
>HK bros, we finally did It
Hasn't Germany been using HK rifles for decades and decades already
Yeah, but with the G3 platform. There was no certainty HK would win the next competition, for a much more modern level, with what is essentially a slightly improved American design.
the G36 is an AR18, moron.
wow that’s hideous. I don’t even know where to start.
>barrel protrudes an absurd amount beyond the handguard
>rails top and bottom, slots on side (for more rails ???)
>totally unnecessary styling on magazine grip surface, looks like some $30 AR mad that would feed worse than a STANAG and shatter when dropped loaded
>stock literally looks like something pulled off midwayusa
>SPLIT PEA SOUP GREEN WITH BEIGE
don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are very intentional design decisions involved and that the quality of the product will (eventually) be respectable, but this… thing… just LOOKS horrific. I don’t even care if I’m objectively wrong about something, it’s ugly and I had to say it
>barrel protrudes an absurd amount beyond the handguard
This is most likely because they still want their infantry to train and use bayonets, which cannot be attached if you have a full length handguard
okay at least that makes sense. I will say I like the look of the controls
yes very much that’s why I issued qualifiers at the end of my rant that I’m not to be taken too seriously
is this autism?
Fricking nogunz
>barrel protrudes an absurd amount beyond the handguard
Have you ever looked at a military rifle before?
>rails top and bottom, slots on side (for more rails ???)
For fricking attachments you idiot
>totally unnecessary styling on magazine grip surface, looks like some $30 AR mad that would feed worse than a STANAG and shatter when dropped loaded
Wtf it's standard HK mag
>stock literally looks like something pulled off midwayusa
WTF it's the HK417 stock
>SPLIT PEA SOUP GREEN WITH BEIGE
Best camo in visible, night vision and thermal spectrum
I didn’t say it was BAD, I said it was UGLY and I stand by that even if my impressions are uneducated
>barrel protrudes an absurd amount beyond the handguard
Balance
top and bottom, slots on side (for more rails ???)
Hkey
unnecessary styling on magazine grip surface, looks like some $30 AR mad that would feed worse than a STANAG and shatter when dropped loaded
Grip + increased stability.
literally looks like something pulled off midwayusa
It just works.
PEA SOUP GREEN WITH BEIGE
Won't look like that in the field.
What's the point of adopting a new rifle when it's literally the same caliber but with different ergos
Wouldn't it be better to just make a new variant of the G36 and then make a conversion kit for existing rifles?
Like the new US rifle makes sense because they wanted a new caliber (whether the new caliber makes sense is a different question)
But why do this, what does this do that a new variant of G36 wouldn't
The G36 platform lost its reputation after overheating problems were revealed to be a major issue. The mind boggles at how neither HK nor the Bundeswehr had not discovered this during initial tests, but there it is. Making a G36+++ might fix the issues but not the reliability reputation, and HK made a corporate gamble and went for something different. The gamble was successful.
Not only are you factually wrong, your analysis is moronic. They knew all about the heating. It was a deliberate decision made by the Bundeswehr to pursue a lighter rifle at the expense of heat management. HK built exactly the rifle the Heer wanted, and they still had all the meeting minutes, correspondence and engineering reports from development proving so. It's why the government got laughed out of court.
The replacement trial was a way to punish HK for humiliating them, but the only serious entrants were HK, Steyr (foreign), and Haenel (notionally German, but owned by the UAE government). They picked the Haenel, but since it was an exact (like parts interchange perfectly exact) copy of a product still under patent, the government was forced to re run the trial.
Von der Leyen is the cause of all this because she desperately wanted to avoid anything that might be remotely seen as a problem. She's a craven political climber so she tried to dump everything on HK.
more money for HK
I think the G36 is fine too
HK416 was developed way before the bullshit story about G36 overheating was a thing
Surely just going out to public and saying
>okay guys zo this entire heat problem was caused by ze plastic upper
>(point to the part of the gun for people who know nothing about guns)
>Ze plastic upper was getting hot and throwing ze sight out of ze position causing accuracy issues
>we have now made a aliminium upper so ze sights stay on zero
>we have saved ze tax money you paid by doing this instead of a brand new rifle
Surely it would be better to upgrade the current rifle everyone is arleady used to, trained on, is in stocks, with units, and everyone knows how to maintain
Instead of making a brand new fricking one JUST to have a aluminium upper????
From what I understand the rifles were worn out anyway, it wasnt just the accuracy issue.
You misunderstand.
When the story broke, the German Ministry of Defense didn't say that the Bundeswehr had a good rifle that made some design choices that, with hindsight, were sub-optimal. They accused HK of willfully building defective rifles and sued them to fix the problem on HK's dime. HK understandably did not enjoy this and the suit was swiftly tossed out of court.
This left the MoD with a G36 that they were telling everyone was irreparably broken and the a contractor that was just slightly less than hostile. An aluminum receiver would have been approaching the price of a new rifle and the existing rifles were getting worn out anyways. So they ran a replacement trial with the intention of picking anyone other than HK. Aside from the IP theft, there some rumors of MoD price collusion and the fact that Haenel didn't actually have anywhere near the manufacturing capabilities required.
>look up minister who is responsible for this
>she is now the queen of the EU
What.
Frick this why is everybody adopting ar style rifles?
I admit the only assault rifle i ever shot was an AUG but i dislike the placement of the charging handle on ARs so much its unreal.
We're in a plateau of technology, it's the same as everyone using almost identical flintlock muskets in the 1700s. Stoner solved the basic concept of the assault rifle 60 years ago, it just took some time for all the small details to get worked out and verified.
Every service rifle for the forseeable future is going to be either an AR-15/18 hybrid or AK clone.
>the Bundeswehr wants a new rifle
>they want it to be a high tech rifle for their high tech 1990s world
>put out a list of requirements that focuses on weight reduction and use of polymer
>HK builds you exactly what you want
>15 years later you're on the far side of the planet, in a desert, fighting extended infantry skirmishes
>your light weight gun doesn't handle heat as well, a tradeoff you knowingly made a decade and a half ago
>some moron journalist hears this and they are shocked and outraged that your rifle adheres to the laws of thermodynamics, they whip up a media tiff and the people are asking questions
>the creature von der Leyen seeks to deflect blame away from the government and blames HK for making inherently defective guns and sues you to "fix" them
>make them look like incompetent jackasses in court
>the government is still mad so they announce a replacement trial
>due to decades of defense industry neglect by the goverment, HK is the only German company still in the military small arms business
>HK submits excellent HK416 and something new in case they still like plastic
>loose to an an exact copy of your rifle from an arab company wearing a resurrected face of Haenel
>point out that it violates multiple patents to the government
>they tell you to frick off because they're still mad you made them look stupid in court
>court forces them to rerun the trial with the arab gun removed over the Defense Ministry's screaming
>they are now basically forced to choose you
>don't even be polite about it, openly gloat
Everything about this moron government soap opera has been hilarious.
>point out that it violates multiple patents to the government
That's wrong though. Only the Haenel 223 violated a patent. The MK 556 didn't, which the Bundeswehr was looking at didn't.
I wouldn't call Haenel/Merkel an Arab company either. They might be owned by Arabs but by the same logic SIG Sauer USA is a German company.
The G36 was a fine rifle but it's not like it changed anything. The G36 has met it's expected service life and while it doesn't need to be replaced, they were gonna replace it anyway. No need to pull HK through the mud but whatever.
I wonder how expensive this would have been. Maybe getting a new gun just seemed like better option overall.
>>due to decades of defense industry neglect by the goverment, HK is the only German company still in the military small arms business
What have you been smoking? Lmao
MK556 was free from all intellectual property infringements tho.
German goverment being corrupt, dumb and being moronic, while being pushed by the german media? Nothing new sadly but latley they seem to get more complacent with not even trying to hide their corruption and lobbyism anymore
Cheap Bundeswehr G36 parts kits when?
>HK bros, we finally did It
>just in time for the switch
Nobody is using 6.8 SPC it's a shit dound and needs to die
It's not an entirely shit round, but it is shit for the intended application.
Not a bait:
What does it do, that G36 doesn't?
Thicker barrel against overheating problem (also no polymer), STANAG magazines, pic rails and attachment points, length adjustable butt stock with height adjustable cheek riser (top request by soliders). Upgrading the G36A1's and A2's would have cost basically the same, so they instead chose to get a more modern rifle.
see
The thing it does better than the G36 is not be a G36.
Really though, heat problems. The Bundeswehr in 1997 didn't think the rifles would be used they way they ended up being used.
The barrel and sights of the G36 aren't actually connected by metal. They're independently mounted to the plastic receiver. The thin barrel heats rapidly during sustained fire, which degrades accuracy. This is normal in all firearms.
In the G36, the barrel transfers this heat to the plastic body, when becomes less rigid and may cause a wandering zero. This is made worse by the sights and barrel being essentially independent of each other with no rigid connection between them.
Bundeswehr test showed that by increasing the temperature of the rifle by 30C (~85F), accuracy at 100m fell to 7%. The Bundeswehr wants to make 90% of shots at that distance.
The Austrian solved the G36 problem with the G62, something that HK could have done: https://youtu.be/UwNZd194Hf4
Politicians didn't want that since they created this whole "the G-36 is a fiasco" situation, admitting that a simple upgrade like an aluminium upper solves the issue would be an admittance of their own BS
Anyhow we might still see this upgrade as the production of the new rifle batches will take some time
i always wonder is its the same tirggered leotard poster that always post the turkish tanks that post about the g36.
Because in reality it warped less than other metal rifles in the 30°c tests. (who would have tought that metal was heat conductive huh?)
and using a rifle like and LMG when you chould just have used a MG36 instead.
it was all press and politics. and nowdays youtube experts.
coeff. of thermal expansion
aluminum ~ 28
kraut dildo plastic ~120
It’s cool, in my opinion and in the opinion of many weapons designers that Direct Impingement is the best system for the AR-15 but nobody denies HK doesn’t make a good rifle and pistol. Problem with piston systems is that they are quite a bit heavier for really no gain? Carbon and dirty guns aren’t that big of a deal if you keep them lubed, I mean Mac did a few videos where he fired 10,000 rounds of 5.56 without cleaning it out of a BCM and there were no problems.
>TFW this man is watching all of this in heaven and is laughing
>A8
Jesus Christ how many times can you iterate a fricking AR?
>Heckler & Koch won a rebooted competition....after an initial surprise loss
lol lmao even. I guess the officials weren't happy with the initial bribe offer. How can anyone look at that and think "nope there's nothing suspicious going on".
>furniture looks like cheap garbage
Come the frick on now.
>lol lmao even. I guess the officials weren't happy with the initial bribe offer. How can anyone look at that and think "nope there's nothing suspicious going on".
initially the contract was given to C.G. Haenel, which is owned by some shady Saudi or Arab guys
at least with HK it stays in Germany.
>that magazine window
>competition doesnt yield desired result?
just run it again
nu-germany in a nutshell
>Quadrails in 21st century
NGMI
what are you a blind kid? keymod
H-Key, they're not the same.
Shpipd have picked the HK433 instead.
>why
Looks cooler.
HK416 tested better in shooting
It would, since it doesn't have a folding stock.
Why is the barrel so long?
And so they should. Every nation's standard issue rifle should be domestic. Let the best man win. Or die.
Nice AR-15 clone. Poland managed its own design.
FB shill pretending it's not a copy of the ACR.
beside almost invisible details, not a single feature of the Grot is present in the ACR (or even SCAR for that matter, even though SCAR inspired the body)
You're fricking blind if you think things like the trigger group design, the magazine release, bolt release lever, bolt carrier shape, charging handle sleigh, and other elements are "invisible." I'm not going to say more on it because this thread is about the 416 and I assume you're the same shill saying the same shit in the Grot thread.
Aren't a lot of the ergos more g36 esque while the ace had more AR esque ergos
Assuming by ergonomics you're referring to the controls, no, the similarities are pretty egregious.
LMAO this is literally an ACR that GROM beta tested when it first came out.
Not just GROM but also the Territorial Defense Force and civilian shooters. The first batches were riddled with problems.
Yeah the ACR has always been shit. That's why it's funny that Poland pushed so hard to make one when it's just a bad poorly thought out design.
To be fair the ACR is only really shit due to the weight, cost, and the unique/useless qd barrel attachment; without those flaws it's no different than any other modern short stroke 5.56 rifle. Poland at least got rid of that last flaw, but it's still a heavy and costly rifle.
.. I'd still buy one if they came to the states for the cool-factor, though.
In a surprise to nobody. The only reason they stuck with the G36 was to justify the expense and production, politically. There’s a reason they’ve been dumping them off on the Kurds for 20 years. Couldn’t even give their stock away fast enough.
>A8
I just wanna know, at which iteration the tethering problems has been solved? The latter versions are just a way to distinguish between different applications/ users - right?
>tethering problem
Wat?
Why is that namegay always being moronic?
Is it a collective?
RIP 433
Not sure I get the point in replacing a functional 5.56 rifle with another 5.56.
It'd make more sense if they were picking up a new round to normalise overmatch against Russians but it doesn't seem to be the case.
What overmatch? In a proper high intensity conflict what kills are artillery shells and missiles (like what's happening right now in Ukraine). Small arms only start to matter when fighting in urban areas but due to the distances, an intermediate caliber is what makes more sense (literally the experiences from WW2)
I hate that moronic looking castle nut.
What's the deal with it? Is it an A5 length buffer tube and they're using an extended castle nut to cover up what would be uncovered buffer tube space when the stock is collapsed?
>Proprietary for Proprietary sakes
welcome to HK
I only like the 416 because HK's pictogram selector markings are aesthetic.
It's so fricking ugly
HK giving up exprementing with style for the generic AR-look is so soulless
When did Western society become so tasteless?
what have could been: Germany armed with Merkel 556!
>HK416 but made by a company that didn't invent it
this lie has been debunked. however, the federal armed forces are treated like a b***h every day, while the police are built up to be citizen enemy number one.
Black person what? It is basically a 416, the technical differences are minuscule. And no, Haenel obviously didn't invent it.
WE TOOK AR-15 AND PUT PISTON ON, ORIGINAL GERMAN DESIGN DO NOT STEAL.
If putting a piston into an AR15 is so simple, why do your marines and special forces buy a german one, rather than any of the hundred american ones?
IAR sucks tho.
>this lie has been debunked
HK literally won that court case.
Are you talking about the Patent? The court ruled that the CR223 violated a patent, which is the civilian version. The MK556 didn't violate any patent if I'm not mistaken.
Anon, for all intends and purposes that's literally the same gun.
And of course it was the military rifle that was the issue, otherwise it wouldn't have had an effect on the MoD.
https://augengeradeaus.net/2021/11/sturmgewehr-streit-etappensieg-im-patentstreit-fuer-hecklerkoch/
Why weren't they sued for the MK556 then?
Literally in the article, anon.
>Noch Ende vergangenen Jahres hätte der heutige Ausgang dieses Patentverfahrens eine Wende bedeuten können – auch wenn es formal um das CR223 ging, hätten sich unter anderem die Fragen gestellt, ob dieses Patent auch bei der vollautomatischen Waffe MK556 verletzt wurde und ob die Vergabestelle der Bundeswehr das bei ihrer Vergabentscheidung hätte berücksichtigen müssen. Inzwischen geht der Streit jedoch um die Frage, ob Heckler&Koch entgegen der ursprünglichen Einschätzung der Behörde doch das wirtschaftlich günstigere Angebot abgegeben hatte und ob Haenel vom Vergabeverfahren ausgeschlossen werden durfte. Diese Frage steht im kommenden Frühjahr vor dem Oberlandesgericht Düsseldorf zur Verhandlung an.
As I said, it's the same gun, one is just the civil version.
Hence why it has the same name but 2.23 instead of 5.56 in the name.
>FAB furniture
Thank god this was avoided.
Literally nothing worse.
PROTIP: Always ask women if they like Haenel.
Because while Colt was pissy about making changes to the M4 TDP the G*rmans at H&K were willing to do fine tune their design to the desires of the American SOF community.
Source: Larry Snickers
You mean I can't just assume they like Haenel? Why not?
You can surprise them with Haenel, and ask them at the same time.
CAR816 was literally an HK416 at a discount, then they got robbed by HK Rabbies for muh domestic jobs.
Why do they keep designing "new" guns in the first place? They're still all the same.
All the innovations nowadays just boil down to "muh plastic stock".
That, and "muh modularity and different operating modes", and after a while they backtrack on all that because reliability is more important than gimmicks.
The biggest improvement on the HK416 was getting a piston into a gun that americans can use without having to retrain.
Most other modern rifles are just about recreating the ACR for domestic producers.
>Bren
>MSBS
>433
The fricking polack isn't here so I'll parrot his bullshit ironically. No, no, the MSBS Grot is an ingenious and novel design that is completely unique made by brilliant Polish engineers, if anything it has more in common with the SCAR.
Anything better than this would involve H&K's board of directors taking turns gang-raping Ursula von Der Leyen.