all the arguments against this gun are genuinely dumb too.
>i-its too big! just buy a desert eagle at that point!
except this is significantly lighter by a wide margin and it's chambered in a round that's actually useful for combat/defense/range fun, and costs 40cpr as opposed to $2 a round.
>it's too heavy!!
it's literally lighter than a fullsize 1911 and well balanced to have most of its weight towards the grip, because they expected you to put a heavy ass laser and suppressor on the front
>it doesn't have a pic rail!
yeah and neither does your 1911. your point? just buy an adapter like a lobos mount or the GG&G rail adapter.
>it was made as a failed military project where they asked for insane requirements and they made a gun that met all of them!
wow really got me there, like that doesn't sound cool at all! name 3 other handguns with as much interesting development history as the mk23. you really can't.
>just buy a USP tactical! it's the exact same!
repeated by people who haven't shot a mk23, much less suppressed both to compare.
I tend to buy single examples of given weapon "families" as I think of them, and my "classic HK hammer fired handgun" slot is already filled by a USP. Also those things are huge, makes my FNX look small by comparison, and that thing holds 15+1. Still, if I didn't already own a hammer fired HK and saw one for a decent price, I would probably jump on it.
that has no bearing on whether or not he always has single examples or whether he tends to have single examples. feel free to triple down on your cope though
>all this cope, seethe, strawman and asspulling
I never really thought talking shit about the mk23 would provoke such retardation. I'm going to be dragging this pistol regularly now to get me some (You)s, thanks anon.
>yeah and neither does your 1911.
My 1911 does have a pic rail. >name 3 other handguns with as much interesting development history as the mk23
1911, 1911, 1911 >repeated by people who haven't shot a mk23
I have and they're totally wrong, you are correct. The USP tactical is a much better gun, not the same as mk23 at all.
Someone who actually owns or who has shot one. Truth in here.
The only issues with the Mk23 i have, and by extension with the USP series, are the trigger and the magazine capacity.
Capacity, yeah. It's a product of it's time. Trigger? MK23 has an old school match trigger. It's heavy at 5lbs this day, but breaks clean. You won't have it hamper your shots. The USP can be had or modified to a match trigger which is even lighter and crisper than the Mark23, and is still good to this day. Better than anything you'll ever get out of a Glock.
https://i.imgur.com/Wu611W4.jpg
The mk23 is superior so the inferior do what they can to diminish it
True. Mark 23 is superior outside of the holster to everything in everyway, but I do think you could fire a USP Tactical faster even though it has more recoil, so maybe the average person could sling more lead accurately to a certain range with the USP over the Mark 23. We are splitting cock hairs here.
You have to spend thousands of dollars just to compete with a glock trigger. Hk cope is hilarious. It's pretty common to see people selling the gray guns shit too because even dropping another 1k in parts wont beat the factory glock reset. All HK pistols have been complete failures with the vp9 being the latest piss poor knockoff. Hope they go bankrupt for real this time.
>HK hater is a Glock sucker
HK triggers require changing 2-3 parts to make better. Glock triggers require completely changing the gun in a ship-of-thesus style upgrade in order to be "okay"
>Glock triggers require completely changing the gun in a ship-of-thesus style upgrade in order to be "okay"
you drop in a $20 3.5 Ghost trigger bar and you're literally set. don't be as retarded as the people you're arguing with.
>ghost trigger meme
great, that SIG P250-quality "upgrade" surely works for the average gang banger
1 month ago
Anonymous
>"there is a cheap drop-in component that makes a Glock trigger significantly less gritty and heavy as well as sharpens the mushy factory break" >[lazy handwaved retort revolving around negative adjectives and snark with no definable metrics]
yeah I'm in a mk23 thread and I shouldn't expect any better but damn is it still tiring
1 month ago
Anonymous
>glock requires completely changing the gun to get a P30 DA trigger quality >t-this is a better gun!
i wish glocksuckers would just admit that they are poor and have darker skin
1 month ago
Anonymous
anon, what are you talking about? I just said you only have to replace a single part to make the factory trigger perfectly acceptable and never said anything about it being a better gun.
You have to change those parts just to compete with a dogshit factory glock trigger. Pretty sad for the best pistol ever. Don't even try to compete with a Smith or a 500 dollar 1911.
>HK triggers require changing 2-3 parts to make better. Glock triggers require completely changing the gun
Huh? That's essentially the same number you'd swap out with a Glock, via the bar, spring and striker spring. If you really want to get into it you'll swap the safety plunger. I personally avoided the striker spring swap (the lighter strikes didn't play well with the ammo I was using at the time and I'm used to the current setup) and the safety plunger and just went with the trigger bar and spring. Made a night and day difference compared to the slop it came with.
>glock requires completely changing the gun to get a P30 DA trigger quality >t-this is a better gun!
i wish glocksuckers would just admit that they are poor and have darker skin
>i wish glocksuckers would just admit that they are poor and have darker skin
New England pasty white and I could have gotten a pair of Mk23s, but I wanted to blow $5k on a different novelty brick handgun.
the shield is better than pretty much every handgun that isn't a 2011, and it is better than moat 2011's. the only reason it isn't used is because retards are still coping with their now overpriced glock, and SIG/HK play politics to get every small-arms related military contracts
1 month ago
Anonymous
What are the shit 2011s? I want to get one but reviews seem mixed in everything including the staccato.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Almost all production 2011's will have teething issues because they are derived from a pistol that was designed for a different cartridge. That and massive operator error and lack of general knowledge of the basics of the platform. The shittiest 2011s currently seem to be the Springfield Prodigy. A person well versed in 1911/2011 mechanics could probably fix any issues that the general layman would have to send back to factory to fix. Most of the time it is wrong spring weight combinations and rough manufacturing in areas of tight tolerances.
1 month ago
Anonymous
basically a fixed 1911 with an industry-standard ammo capacity. staccato's are good and well made, but the whole 2011 thing is mainly a anti-striker fad from people who haven't been blessed at the holy church of DA/SA
1 month ago
Anonymous
A gun is a gun is a gun. User preference and habituation are real. I've shot glocks, 1911s, 2011s, USPs, 92s, XDs, FiveseveNs, etc...in most of the common calibers. I just prefer 1911s and 2011s in 45 because they work alot better than their 9mm flavors and I shoot them better. Not really anti-striker but i do think safety shoe triggers are a dogshit safety.
It’s cool but I don’t think there’s any practical reasons to own one. Using a handgun for home defense is retarded. It’s too large for concealed carry unless you’re wearing really baggy clothing. From a combat perspective it makes more sense, though something like this large on a drop leg would probably be a pain when getting in and out of vehicles, sitting down, etc.
Too tactical for boomers; not tactical enough for Zoomers
If you aren't a Millennial who played MGS1 as a kid, then there's really no reason to buy one.
It's old. By design is a big "offensive" handgun. The intended mission is to kill sentries-bad guys sleeping or a dirty socom mission where reliability is the key. Don't CCW with it lol.
Really, my main gripe is that we've been spoiled. Ergos are pretty bad compared to modern stuff. The grip is too much like a cinderblock. and the weight just doesn't feel nice to shoot. I'll take italian any other day.
Having said that, it is a fine gun. If I HAD to use it, it'd be fine. Not comfortable, but perfectly serviceable and with its record of reliability, I'd choose it over many others.
Why is USP Tactical considered the "same thing" when the USP Elite exists?
I want the Elite, but it's hard to justify buying it when I already have a Mark 23, and the 9mm Elite is stupid expensive because they are rare.
I seethe because I'm too poor to buy one with it's exclusive silencer and it's exclusive LAM.
Anything less than that as compromise is literally not worth my time. >Verification not required
>Anything less than that as compromise is literally not worth my time.
I felt the same way and couldn't stand the Lobos mount I was using for mine and sold it immediately once I was able to find a proper LAM unit for mine.
But the fact Knight's stopped making the suppressors makes trying to find one for a non-retarded price a major pain in the ass.
Doesn't help that KAC hypebeast fanboys are some of the most insufferable homosexuals in the entire firearms community.
I said screw it and bought a B&T can for mine since technically that's the same suppressor they use for the MK23 over in europoorland and are pretty much the same design on the inside.
OP, I've never been a hater of that gun but it's not a conceal carry gun. It's not good for EDC. That leaves what other uses? >Combat?
By all accounts with modern ammo technology a 9mm is at least as good. >Range toy
There are more extravagant and outlandish guns to choose. >hunting
A magnum revolver is a better choice
etc.. etc..
The only reason to buy a mk23 is because you think it's cool. If so, go buy it and enjoy it.
>why does this gun make people seethe? >proceeds to seethe
idk lol maybe you're just a whiny little butthurt homosexual. it's your gun bro you bought it because you like it why are you getting your panties in a twist over what other dudes think about it online?
50% >reee I want this gun but it's too expensive reee
50% >holy fuck i bought this gun and it's worse in every way than my USP, why do I even own this crap
Interesting development history, built like a fucking brick shit house and had multiple appearances in Metal Gear/Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy games. Basically a super niche pistol with few audiences in mind.
Interesting development history, built like a fucking brick shit house and had multiple appearances in Metal Gear/Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy games. Basically a super niche pistol intended for for the SEALs, only for the SIG P226 to replace it almost immediately.
Interesting development history, built like a fucking brick shit house and had multiple appearances in Metal Gear/Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy games. Basically a super niche pistol intended for for the SEALs, only for the SIG P226 to replace it almost immediately.
all the arguments against this gun are genuinely dumb too.
>i-its too big! just buy a desert eagle at that point!
except this is significantly lighter by a wide margin and it's chambered in a round that's actually useful for combat/defense/range fun, and costs 40cpr as opposed to $2 a round.
>it's too heavy!!
it's literally lighter than a fullsize 1911 and well balanced to have most of its weight towards the grip, because they expected you to put a heavy ass laser and suppressor on the front
>it doesn't have a pic rail!
yeah and neither does your 1911. your point? just buy an adapter like a lobos mount or the GG&G rail adapter.
>it was made as a failed military project where they asked for insane requirements and they made a gun that met all of them!
wow really got me there, like that doesn't sound cool at all! name 3 other handguns with as much interesting development history as the mk23. you really can't.
>just buy a USP tactical! it's the exact same!
repeated by people who haven't shot a mk23, much less suppressed both to compare.
At least 1911s have good triggers and aren't made of tupperware. Would rather have an ria than any hk.
Are you the same retard that was seething in a USP thread
Seething?
I fucking own one, OP didn’t
>match weight
>grip
>dot
>extended floor plate
What a great way to ruin the the aesthetics of the gun
I tend to buy single examples of given weapon "families" as I think of them, and my "classic HK hammer fired handgun" slot is already filled by a USP. Also those things are huge, makes my FNX look small by comparison, and that thing holds 15+1. Still, if I didn't already own a hammer fired HK and saw one for a decent price, I would probably jump on it.
>single examples
Post pic with two 1911's
what do you think the phrase "tend to" means? is English your first language?
I also read
>slot is already filled
Your full of shit, all there is too it
Ones a ghetto 2011 sperglord.
Oh, that's really very different then
T. No guns
I was being sincere
The only thing you’re sincere is to your gay lover telling him you have full blown aids
that has no bearing on whether or not he always has single examples or whether he tends to have single examples. feel free to triple down on your cope though
>all this cope, seethe, strawman and asspulling
I never really thought talking shit about the mk23 would provoke such retardation. I'm going to be dragging this pistol regularly now to get me some (You)s, thanks anon.
>yeah and neither does your 1911.
My 1911 does have a pic rail.
>name 3 other handguns with as much interesting development history as the mk23
1911, 1911, 1911
>repeated by people who haven't shot a mk23
I have and they're totally wrong, you are correct. The USP tactical is a much better gun, not the same as mk23 at all.
USP tactical will shoot itself apart with the wrong silencer
morons who don't know anything about suppressing the mk23 confirmed lmao
retard. find one post about the Mk23 breaking it's recoil spring assembly from running suppressed
USP tactical literally destroys itself if you use any silencer except the $7000 KAC suppressor that's sub par by today's standards
It seems like your entire argument hinges on the measure of a handgun being that it's better than a 1911 or a Desert Eagle.
Someone who actually owns or who has shot one. Truth in here.
Capacity, yeah. It's a product of it's time. Trigger? MK23 has an old school match trigger. It's heavy at 5lbs this day, but breaks clean. You won't have it hamper your shots. The USP can be had or modified to a match trigger which is even lighter and crisper than the Mark23, and is still good to this day. Better than anything you'll ever get out of a Glock.
True. Mark 23 is superior outside of the holster to everything in everyway, but I do think you could fire a USP Tactical faster even though it has more recoil, so maybe the average person could sling more lead accurately to a certain range with the USP over the Mark 23. We are splitting cock hairs here.
>pic related
>my HK pistols
You have to spend thousands of dollars just to compete with a glock trigger. Hk cope is hilarious. It's pretty common to see people selling the gray guns shit too because even dropping another 1k in parts wont beat the factory glock reset. All HK pistols have been complete failures with the vp9 being the latest piss poor knockoff. Hope they go bankrupt for real this time.
>HK hater is a Glock sucker
HK triggers require changing 2-3 parts to make better. Glock triggers require completely changing the gun in a ship-of-thesus style upgrade in order to be "okay"
>Glock triggers require completely changing the gun in a ship-of-thesus style upgrade in order to be "okay"
you drop in a $20 3.5 Ghost trigger bar and you're literally set. don't be as retarded as the people you're arguing with.
>ghost trigger meme
great, that SIG P250-quality "upgrade" surely works for the average gang banger
>"there is a cheap drop-in component that makes a Glock trigger significantly less gritty and heavy as well as sharpens the mushy factory break"
>[lazy handwaved retort revolving around negative adjectives and snark with no definable metrics]
yeah I'm in a mk23 thread and I shouldn't expect any better but damn is it still tiring
>glock requires completely changing the gun to get a P30 DA trigger quality
>t-this is a better gun!
i wish glocksuckers would just admit that they are poor and have darker skin
anon, what are you talking about? I just said you only have to replace a single part to make the factory trigger perfectly acceptable and never said anything about it being a better gun.
You have to change those parts just to compete with a dogshit factory glock trigger. Pretty sad for the best pistol ever. Don't even try to compete with a Smith or a 500 dollar 1911.
>HK triggers require changing 2-3 parts to make better. Glock triggers require completely changing the gun
Huh? That's essentially the same number you'd swap out with a Glock, via the bar, spring and striker spring. If you really want to get into it you'll swap the safety plunger. I personally avoided the striker spring swap (the lighter strikes didn't play well with the ammo I was using at the time and I'm used to the current setup) and the safety plunger and just went with the trigger bar and spring. Made a night and day difference compared to the slop it came with.
>i wish glocksuckers would just admit that they are poor and have darker skin
New England pasty white and I could have gotten a pair of Mk23s, but I wanted to blow $5k on a different novelty brick handgun.
i guess i have to take your word for it that people seethe.
yeah I've never really seen anyone mad over this gun for some reason, maybe OP is being dishonest
anon you can look at the thread of people trying to defend a glock in the era of the SW shield and PDP. there are plenty of people who are mad
> in the era of the SW shield
this thread is fucking embarrassing
The shield is better than anything hk has ever made.
the shield is better than pretty much every handgun that isn't a 2011, and it is better than moat 2011's. the only reason it isn't used is because retards are still coping with their now overpriced glock, and SIG/HK play politics to get every small-arms related military contracts
What are the shit 2011s? I want to get one but reviews seem mixed in everything including the staccato.
Almost all production 2011's will have teething issues because they are derived from a pistol that was designed for a different cartridge. That and massive operator error and lack of general knowledge of the basics of the platform. The shittiest 2011s currently seem to be the Springfield Prodigy. A person well versed in 1911/2011 mechanics could probably fix any issues that the general layman would have to send back to factory to fix. Most of the time it is wrong spring weight combinations and rough manufacturing in areas of tight tolerances.
basically a fixed 1911 with an industry-standard ammo capacity. staccato's are good and well made, but the whole 2011 thing is mainly a anti-striker fad from people who haven't been blessed at the holy church of DA/SA
A gun is a gun is a gun. User preference and habituation are real. I've shot glocks, 1911s, 2011s, USPs, 92s, XDs, FiveseveNs, etc...in most of the common calibers. I just prefer 1911s and 2011s in 45 because they work alot better than their 9mm flavors and I shoot them better. Not really anti-striker but i do think safety shoe triggers are a dogshit safety.
It’s cool and iconic but it’s expensive which causes a lot of controversy with broke niggas
It’s cool but I don’t think there’s any practical reasons to own one. Using a handgun for home defense is retarded. It’s too large for concealed carry unless you’re wearing really baggy clothing. From a combat perspective it makes more sense, though something like this large on a drop leg would probably be a pain when getting in and out of vehicles, sitting down, etc.
Too tactical for boomers; not tactical enough for Zoomers
If you aren't a Millennial who played MGS1 as a kid, then there's really no reason to buy one.
It's old. By design is a big "offensive" handgun. The intended mission is to kill sentries-bad guys sleeping or a dirty socom mission where reliability is the key. Don't CCW with it lol.
Really, my main gripe is that we've been spoiled. Ergos are pretty bad compared to modern stuff. The grip is too much like a cinderblock. and the weight just doesn't feel nice to shoot. I'll take italian any other day.
Having said that, it is a fine gun. If I HAD to use it, it'd be fine. Not comfortable, but perfectly serviceable and with its record of reliability, I'd choose it over many others.
The only issues with the Mk23 i have, and by extension with the USP series, are the trigger and the magazine capacity.
There's some much that can be done to improve the trigger on the USP so I don't really see it as an excuse anymore.
Yet you shit on glockfags for the exact same reason
Why is USP Tactical considered the "same thing" when the USP Elite exists?
I want the Elite, but it's hard to justify buying it when I already have a Mark 23, and the 9mm Elite is stupid expensive because they are rare.
Elite doesn't have the threaded barrel. Elite is meant for specific types of competition shooting only.
Dumb video game gun. Dropped by the people it was made for.
I seethe because I'm too poor to buy one with it's exclusive silencer and it's exclusive LAM.
Anything less than that as compromise is literally not worth my time.
>Verification not required
>Anything less than that as compromise is literally not worth my time.
I felt the same way and couldn't stand the Lobos mount I was using for mine and sold it immediately once I was able to find a proper LAM unit for mine.
But the fact Knight's stopped making the suppressors makes trying to find one for a non-retarded price a major pain in the ass.
Doesn't help that KAC hypebeast fanboys are some of the most insufferable homosexuals in the entire firearms community.
I said screw it and bought a B&T can for mine since technically that's the same suppressor they use for the MK23 over in europoorland and are pretty much the same design on the inside.
I'd never buy one - its too big and expensive and I don't have a use for it but god damn its one of the coolest looking guns I can't hate on it.
OP, I've never been a hater of that gun but it's not a conceal carry gun. It's not good for EDC. That leaves what other uses?
>Combat?
By all accounts with modern ammo technology a 9mm is at least as good.
>Range toy
There are more extravagant and outlandish guns to choose.
>hunting
A magnum revolver is a better choice
etc.. etc..
The only reason to buy a mk23 is because you think it's cool. If so, go buy it and enjoy it.
The mk23 is superior so the inferior do what they can to diminish it
>why does this gun make people seethe?
>proceeds to seethe
idk lol maybe you're just a whiny little butthurt homosexual. it's your gun bro you bought it because you like it why are you getting your panties in a twist over what other dudes think about it online?
Yes. It always boiled down to price. If it was $400 it would be even more obsequiously vaunted.
Fucking trash, HKslop polymer garbage
>They spent extra machine time on the bottom of the slide likely to allow dirt egress and reduce drag when muddy
Kino.
Or, so it doesn't cut you
Literally the everyone agrees that the mk23 is cool. Shut up, op.
Cool but not practical. MK23 fags are on the same level as 10mm shills.
>practical
>filename
You don't actually own one, do you?
OP here, you're retarded
(god I want someone to make a lam replica so bad)
>posts a different one
So you don’t own one
I really don't know what to say. you can reverse image search it. I edited it to remove the serial number.
50%
>reee I want this gun but it's too expensive reee
50%
>holy fuck i bought this gun and it's worse in every way than my USP, why do I even own this crap
Interesting development history, built like a fucking brick shit house and had multiple appearances in Metal Gear/Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy games. Basically a super niche pistol with few audiences in mind.
Interesting development history, built like a fucking brick shit house and had multiple appearances in Metal Gear/Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy games. Basically a super niche pistol intended for for the SEALs, only for the SIG P226 to replace it almost immediately.
Mk 23 literally got dabbed on by Cohen and the Siggers by the Mk 25 lmfao
>what is it about this gun that makes people seethe? is it just the price tag?
idk, it's expensive and clunky as fuck. there is really no big reason to get one.
sour grapes