What difference does attacking during night make for the attacker if he has modern night vision equipment and thermals? Is it still a hinder or just a slight bother?
>Russia does not have modern night vision >Russia does not have thermals >Counterbattery crews are more likely to be asleep >Targets may be more bunched up eg soldiers returning to a garrison to sleep >Strikes at night make the enemy more frightened and paranoid >If you spot a target at night why wait until the morning to shoot at it
Also nvg and thermals are equipment that mitigate - not negate the complications of night time ops. It's still a fricking hassle to get them, get them on, deal with adjusting and calibrating (and I bet you blowjobs to donuts the vatniks have (if they even have any at all) the old junk that needs to be adjusted manually unless you want to fry the sensor chip next time Boris shines his flashlight at you). Also even if they do have some nvg's there's no way a majority do, and even if a majority do I bet they either can't find them fast, have broken them and just pretend they work to not get assraped by their commissar, have no batteries and/or not don't have enough training to actually use them effectively. Nvg's aren't just like slapping on goggles of truesight, you have to be practiced at wearing and using them to fully benefit from them if nothing else the invasion has demonstrated that Russians are neither trained, practiced or even housebroken.
Also blowing shit up in the night looks pretty. Setting of fireworks during daytime is just silly.
>you made fun of us for not having basic infrastructure and shitting all over the place? w-well, W-W-WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SHITTING ON OUR LAWNS AND STREETS AND STEPPING IN IT EVERY DAY, WE'RE SHITTING ON POLAND BECAUSE IT SCARES US
that's it, that's literally the joke. they can't meme.
I'm guessing the original comic was made by a vatnik trying to make Russians look good and someone edited the speech bubble to make fun of the fact that rural Russia is India-tier.
If you want a taste of Russian humor you can watch this.
https://movieslist.best/movie/blind-man-x27-s-bluff-2005/similar/
Basically a Pulp fiction ripoff but without any finesse or light humor. Just pair of fugly motherfrickers shooting and torturing other fugly mofos for 1,5 hours. We`ve broken sumdood knee with a hammer - xaxaxaxaxaxa. Dead bodies in morgue - xaxaxaxaxa. Everything is fugly, decrepit and degenerate - xaxaxaxaaxaxa.
Cohencidentally the lead actor is a huge vatnik and also a consummate swinger pedo, kek. So he kind of played himself.
https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/294056/
https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/283217/
https://memepedia.ru/panin-snyal-klip-s-pornoaktrisoj-evoj-berger-no-ne-upomyanul-ee-v-titrax/
That's a good example of Putinist-era humor, perhaps, but not of Russian humor.
Not that I'm a huge fan of most Russian culture, but it's worth noting that Putin's Russia is actually quite different and quite worse than both the 90-00s chaos and the USSR.
Russian culture is good, but obviously not the perverse Putinist arm of it. Victor Pelevin is my favourite author and they have some great bands like Utro or Human Tetris.
Some of the greatest works of Russian culture came out under the USSR.
The USSR definitely choked culture by promoting morons and smothering real writers and musicians, but there also was some good stuff (and a lot of it was subtly or rather overtly critical of Russia).
Read some Strugatsky and consider that every time they wrote about "fascists" such as Time of Rain, Hard to be a God and Inhabited Island, they were writing about the country they lived in.
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since Bolshevism, buddy. The resurrected Russia is a shithole with a shitty amalgam of what they’ve tried to bring back from the before communism whilst still keeping plenty of Soviet “culture”. That gay Kirill is an apostate, too.
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since Tsarism
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since the Grand Duchy of Mosvow
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since the Mongols
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tsarism was despicable but at least they created some nice architecture.
Even if you assume Russian's have all that kit (they don't) it's always going to be worth attacking at night because a dozen guys staying up to fire arty can keep 200 awake all night and make them less combat effective for the next day.
Taking bets on how many days until >first one gets btfo by Russian Aerospace Forces >first one gets broken by ukrop moron mechanics >first one gets sold to ISIS by ukrop colonel
You know in the Chechen wars Russian conscripts would sell their ammunition to local chechens in exchange for food, cigarettes and booze and the higher up you got the worse the corruption: Russian generals would sell brand new Russian APCs to the enemy still in their original factory grease and everything.
How to vatnik 101: Always accuse the enemy of doing what you're doing yourself.
There's probably more Russian military optics on civilian rifles in the US than issued in RF armed forces.
I think I just came, also fullrez video on nitter
https://nitter.it/UAWeapons/status/1540247955046912001
Obviously a single battery isn't gonna do much on its own but god I love seeing western MRLS firing.
Eh, you're right but Tochkas and the Ukrainian Air Force, despite being definitely totally and completely annihilated in the first week (source: trust me bro) has been pulling their weight against those kind of targets. Maybe the Ukrainians will use these as mini multi-shot Tochkas but I just don't see it being likely for them to have an outsized effect on the battlefield considering existing capabilities, at most just reducing losses in aircraft being sent out to hit this kind of valuable target.
>Su-25s aren't doing anything but CAS
There's speculation that some of the hits on HVTs have been by Su-25s rather than Tochkas. I do agree that Tochka supplies are dwindling but it's not like the West is handing them enough MRLS units to actually replace them, at least as of yet. I have my hopes up that someone will find a pair of balls and a deep enough wallet to start dumping en-masse but one battery, plus the other one being sent over would only supplement not replace the Tochkas.
Suppression of Russian arty is probably one of the better uses of them, they (Russians) can't advance without clearing the ground with barrages first, so the less they can move forward then it more or less stalls things out. That's sort of what Ukraine needs more than anything is time, move their shit from west to east, relieve troops from assaults and get more of basically everything towards their own defence and offence spots.
I mean, no one wants to leave territory, but if you've got to buy time to either counter attack in better numbers/gear, then it'll pay off in the long term
Doesn't Ukraine still have some Smerch units around? At least more than HIMARS. They're not particularly accurate nor do they have as much range but neither of those matter in terms of suppression of conventional arty. Using the single battery as a precision weapon is unironically a better choice here.
>Doesn't Ukraine still have some Smerch units around?
I think they had about 80-90 of them, but dunno anything about how many left now or if they had a lot of rockets for them either
Ukies seem to be going mostly after the ammo dumps lately, because it does look very pretty when it explodes and really annoys the Russians who hate anything beautiful
Ukrainian volunteer https://twitter.com/TarasChmut who's very familiar with situation all around said that they have them enough for 6 more month of war, and by the point all Tochkas are used up they hope to recieve ATACMS for HIMARS
t. ukie
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks. Let's hope you get some TOW's or something until then.
Suppression of Russian arty is probably one of the better uses of them, they (Russians) can't advance without clearing the ground with barrages first, so the less they can move forward then it more or less stalls things out. That's sort of what Ukraine needs more than anything is time, move their shit from west to east, relieve troops from assaults and get more of basically everything towards their own defence and offence spots.
I mean, no one wants to leave territory, but if you've got to buy time to either counter attack in better numbers/gear, then it'll pay off in the long term
You realize that all that depends upon these HIMARS being CONSTANTLY and I mean constantly on the move cz if they linger and don't scram after pretty much every salvo, then they will get annihilated.
>cz if they linger and don't scram after pretty much every salvo, then they will get annihilated
So like any other rocket artillery or artillery in general when fighting a counter-battery capable enemy?
Annihilated by what? They're out of conventional artillery range. Russia could try and hit them with guided missiles but that would be playing a game of wack a mole and I doubt they have the missile stocks to do that.
HIMARS isn't a simple howitzer. It's very precise and long ranged. With a properly trained crew, it will hit what it's aimed at. Russia doesn't have anything in Ukraine that is designed to intercept it, either. Just a handful of HIMARS will provide a significant tactical boost when we consider that they can strike anything in the Donbass from behind Ukraine's frontlines.
A general was spotted in town X? HIMARS can be on him in 10 minutes or less.
Given their lack of opsec when it comes to colonels and generals that like to go poncing around the front lines its going to get fricking nasty.
Hell, anyone in so much 50m of a UCV should start getting nervous
>US will never send weapons to Ukraine >US will never send vehicles to Ukraine >US will never send artillery to Ukraine >US will never send helicopters to Ukraine >US will never send GMLRS to Ukraine
YOU ARE HERE >US will never send F-16s to Ukraine >US will never send Patriot to Ukraine >US will never send cruise missiles to Ukraine
Considering that Ukraine has both rocket and nuclear technologies they could probably make some themselves. I assume the only thing stopping them is that the west would instantly turn on them if they tried.
You need highly enriched Uranium or Plutonium to make a basic gun type nuke. So they would need centrifuges to purify both U-238 and Plutonium harvested from nuclear reactors, this costs billions to setup.
Russia has over 130 000 people for the warheads alone under the ministry of energy
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/arsenal/structure.html
there is no way Ukraine can manage to build even a simple nuke under war time conditions.
>You need highly enriched Uranium
We had about 50 kilos of that, but Yanukovych give it up on the second month of the presidency.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-uranium-idUSTRE6BU1KO20101231
>there is no way Ukraine can manage to build even a simple nuke under war time conditions.
This.
the plutonium can be chemically separated, actually, you don't need to enrich it
you need to enrich the Uranium in order to make the plutonium however but I think they have fuel grade uranium
Yeah, centrifuge setup cost billions. It would be a lot easier to refurbish partially or functional warheads via small scale gas centrifuge. If only there was some way to salvage a warhead or two somewhere from something like a sunken sub or maybe cruiser. It would have to be close and the best would be if it was inside range of UK missile range to deter russian attempts to interfere. The best thing is they wouldn't even have to officially declare that they had the weapons. The absence of warheads from said wreckage once discovered and the implied destination would be sufficient. Maybe if zelensky felt ballsy he could allow trace isotopes only present in fissile materials refinement processes to be detected by neighboring radiological institutes. Alas, what are the odds that a nuclear armed vessel would sink on low water within spitting distance of Ukrainian missile systems on low water depths (about say, 40m hypothetically). Alas, a man can only dream.
Clearly ARMA 3 Helicopters DLC footage. You can see that this particular in-game screenshot was done on a low-spec machine right after map load. The planes are missing models of some of their parts, and a couple aren't even textured properly. Disgraceful propaganda
>No communist would endorse Le Pen. Waht the hell are you talking about.
Shows how much you know. There are an awful lot of ex-commies that joined the "far right".
Kadyrovites are doing the raping for the most part, not Russians
https://kyivindependent.com/national/hide-the-girls-how-russian-soldiers-rape-and-torture-ukrainians
> "Russians told my husband: ‘Hide the girls’. I overheard them saying it,” said Inga Odinokova, the mother of a 25-year-old daughter. They are both residents of Velykyi Lis, a tiny village in Kyiv Oblast, 35 kilometers northwest from Bucha. Russian soldiers told Odinokova that the kadyrovites, members of a paramilitary organization from Chechnya named so for their leader Ramzan Kadyrov, settled in a nearby village of Shybene and that they were rapists. Multiple women in Shybene confirmed Odinokova’s account. In another place in Kyiv Oblast, a 34-year-old woman witnessed kadyrovites raping and killing her neighbours. She is a client of Vilena Kit, a psychologist from Lviv who is helping victims of Russia’s war to overcome trauma."
lol The Russians are the raped not the rapers. Ethnic Russian conscripts are broken in by the ethnics from the Caucuses, Siberia and Urals. They just can't get enough of the young white Moscow and St Petersburg twinks.
Can Russians even answer questions straight without deflecting or going off on some whatabboutism tangent? It's like their brains are hardwired to be as deceitful and underhanded as possible.
So a attempted genocidal war of extermination is a whataboutism yet the weapons sent to stop said attempted genocide is le ww3?
So what is your cope going to be when absolutely everything and everybody except WMDs are testing their equipment on your steel helmet/mosin equipped vatnik bots with monke still refusing to declare a official war?
Because EVEN IF they were only killing, raping, and torturing Ukrainian soldiers, people in the West are smart enough not to turn into automatons when putting on a uniform or supporting a cause. We value all human life to some extent, to the point that even prisoners or enemies at war have basic human rights. Unlike vatniks, who would jump off a cliff if Daddy Putina told them to, and who have no respect even for their own lives and rights, let alone anyone else's. Normal human beings know that a war is an inherent evil that necessarily ends the lives of young people for no fricking reason, doubly so if the war is unjust, which this one clearly is.
>Smerch is cheaper and fires faster, but Himars has a higher range. >I wonder about the accuracy.
HIMARS is probably better then Smerch. Smerch rockets are mostly unguided to my knowledge, this answers how accurate they are.
Russians still value quantity over quality, but they have quality as well with their Iskanders and kamikaze drones.
Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece, so don't expect them to do much.
My 2 cents is that the ukes will use them to hit more civillian targets in Donbas and possible in Crimea to provoke more brutal retaliation from the russians....which they can use to gather more weapons from NATO, maybe even an interventions.
>Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece, so don't expect them to do much
The lack of intel on the HIMARS positions is the issue.
Russia has only two optical high res satellites. They might receive intel from China, but it's not enough.
Other than that, only drones or human resources could provide intel on the location of HIMARs.
I suppose they will shell civilian areas yeah, just out of revenge.
>I suppose they will shell civilian areas yeah, just out of revenge.
Interesting, it's as if the ukes weren't doing the same, but I guess it's only newsworthy if the russians are doing it.
Ukrainian volunteer https://twitter.com/TarasChmut who's very familiar with situation all around said that they have them enough for 6 more month of war, and by the point all Tochkas are used up they hope to recieve ATACMS for HIMARS
t. ukie
Where do you think Ukraine will be in 6 months? I'd wager it will be around half of it's size now.
If the US sends ATACMS, then it's hello, WW3 time.
I think nobody is debating that Ukraine also shells civilians, but whether the valuable HIMARS would be used for such an objective instead of a military target remains to be seen.
And the Moon is made of cheese and Santa Clause and the Avengers are real.
Wake TF up, there are no good guys in this war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ukraine is objectively the good guy.
>Documented evidence of separatists storing ammunition in civilian residential areas >Documented evidence of Ukrainian strikes destroying these ammunition stores >Donbas telegram channels claim shelling from within separatist held territory >Absolutely ridiculous DPR false flags before the Russian advance in February
Muh 8 million years of shelling
2 years ago
Anonymous
you forgot the part where the donbas banana republics blew up an airliner and lied about it afterwards
war usually isnt bad guys vs good guys, but in this instance, Ukraine has done far far less awful shit than russia and its puppets
2 years ago
Anonymous
Airliner was an honest mistake though, judging from their twitter post (which was quickly deleted when they heard the news) they genuinely thought they had shot down a Ukie jet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just half assedly barging into conversations that I haven't read any other part of to say and honest mistake doesn't make you a bad guy. All the rest of the shit they do does, like lying about it and the stuff the other anon mentioned.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shooting down a civilian airliner DOES make you a bad guy anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
[...]
In what world is shooting down an airliner an "honest" mistake?
Is it the world where they lied and obfuscated about it? Is it the world where they blocked any and all UN resolution over it? Is it the world where they fasified data over it?
Tell me how any of that is "honest".
If it was that "honest" of a mistake, the least they could have done is own up to it, and said they were sorry, but that didn't even happen. Instead the BUK got snuck back into Russia and hidden behind "didn du nuffin"
>Shooting down a civilian airliner DOES make you a bad guy anon
Speaking of which.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
2 years ago
Anonymous
>honest mistake
They lie about that "honest mistake" to this day. Russians will still claim Ukraine shot it down.
Iran shot down an airliner not so long ago and they accepted blame within a day or so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Airliner was an honest mistake though, judging from their twitter post (which was quickly deleted when they heard the news) they genuinely thought they had shot down a Ukie jet.
In what world is shooting down an airliner an "honest" mistake?
Is it the world where they lied and obfuscated about it? Is it the world where they blocked any and all UN resolution over it? Is it the world where they fasified data over it?
Tell me how any of that is "honest".
If it was that "honest" of a mistake, the least they could have done is own up to it, and said they were sorry, but that didn't even happen. Instead the BUK got snuck back into Russia and hidden behind "didn du nuffin"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>be bunch of morons >get a BUK >instantly shoot it at first blip on radar you see >Oh we're so sorry!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Oh we're so sorry!
If only. They never acknowledged the mistake and took no responsibility. Their defense is "no u".
2 years ago
Anonymous
actually in one of their scenarios of what happened(because Russia has a lot of them, including one where Ukrainian BUK operator mistook that plane for Putin's main plane because they look similar from bottom), Ukrainian side KNEW Russia will give BUK to separatists, so they flew military plane through same corridor on same altitude several times to bait separatists into killing innocent people.
So basically separatists did it, but Ukrainians are at fault, they sacrificed those people to make Russia look bad!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interesting theory. But they would still be at fault in this scenario so I imagine it's not too publicized compared to others.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you just don't know Russians well, for them in that scenario, 100% of blame goes to Ukraine
2 years ago
Anonymous
you just don't know Russians well, for them in that scenario, 100% of blame goes to Ukraine
oh and you can notice that in how they talk about this war sometimes. USA FORCED/tricked Russia to invade Ukraine, in that case Russia blames all the deaths in this war on USA
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Interesting theory. >t. braindead
2 years ago
Anonymous
>an honest mistake though
Oh well, bridge under the water 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
was an honest mistake though
>haha oops damn guys my bad
do vatniks really
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do vatniks really
Actually no, it was literally anything BUT their fault, mistake or not. >Ukrainian SAM >Ukrainian AAM >bomb planted on the plane by Ukrainians >plane filled with corpses out of a CIA morgue and made to crash
etc.
It took them 70 years to apologize for Katyn and 40 years to apologize for Prague Spring and not even ten years later, they've been memory holed again because soviet history MUST BE PRISTINE.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do vatniks really
Actually no, it was literally anything BUT their fault, mistake or not. >Ukrainian SAM >Ukrainian AAM >bomb planted on the plane by Ukrainians >plane filled with corpses out of a CIA morgue and made to crash
etc.
It took them 70 years to apologize for Katyn and 40 years to apologize for Prague Spring and not even ten years later, they've been memory holed again because soviet history MUST BE PRISTINE.
Never said it wasn't their fault, I just said it was done out of ineptitude rather than malice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it wasn't an honest mistake you complete cretin. You don't give Anti-aircraft systems to dumb fricks that don't know how to use them, station them in areas where you know civilian airlines fly over, lie to the world about what you have in the area and then when one is shot down lie through your teeth, changing your story FIVE TIMES in response to new evidence showing up. Russia is absolutely culpable for this shit and you are a goddamn embarrassment of a human being for simping for them over it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't forget the Donbabwian rats looting the bodies to buy world of tanks gold.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You were an honest mistake
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Pic related
I was just reading an older Amnesty report and found this gem
>On 23 September [2014], the Russian media reported the discovery of “mass graves” in Komunar
and Nyzhnya Krynka, two adjacent villages northeast of Makeevka, in the Donetsk Region. >Other media reports, citing DNR sources, claimed that one of the bodies was that
of a pregnant woman. >On 25 September, the “Prime Minister” of the DNR, Aleksandr
Zakharchenko, claimed in a media interview that three burial sites had been found [...] one containing the bodies of “around 40 peaceful residents” and the others containing the bodies of DNR captives. > Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, was reported later as saying that more than 400 bodies had been discovered in the graves in this area >An Amnesty International delegation visited the area on 26 September, shortly after the
graves were discovered > It is clear, however, that some DNR sources, Russian media outlets and, indeed,
Russian authorities have significantly exaggerated the number of bodies found and the scale
of the possible war crimes committed. >Amnesty International was able to identify three grave
sites, containing a total of nine bodies, five of which appear to have been DNR fighters killed
in the course of hostilities.
https://www.amnesty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ukraine.pdf
TL;DR: Russian reported Nazi Kiev Junta executed at least 40 civilians plus 360 POWs, the actual number was closer to 4, a mere 2 orders of magnitude off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Crap, messed up the greentext.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There might be no good guys. But Russians are still evil while Ukraine is in the grey zone.
>Let's be honest, you meat your 2 kopejkas.
Actually it's fillers and no, not filler for a twinkie. HUFs had filler for change. 100 fillers were 1 Forint...before we stopped using them.
>Hungarian
2 years ago
Anonymous
And who started the war?
2 years ago
Anonymous
it doesn't matter. it's perfectly legal for a country to shell or otherwise deliberately attack its own civilians, during a war or otherwise - that is an internal matter, and the geneva conventions don't apply to civil wars or other domestic disturbances. the donbas is part of ukraine, therefore ukraine can shell it to their hearts content and the international community gives zero fricks. russia, by contrast, commits a war crime when it shells civilians in ukraine, because those villages and cities are not russian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most countries have military laws that forbid indiscrimate attacks against civilians and other non-combatants, Russia included
2 years ago
Anonymous
USA
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Avengers
Why do vatniks always bring up avengers and marvel
2 years ago
Anonymous
They are popular and western, so that makes them a target. Or have you not noticed the consistent targeted shit posting at every Marvel release since around 2014?
2 years ago
Anonymous
not only vatniks, anyone with two brain cells to rub together too
its popularity is a sign of western cultural decay
2 years ago
Anonymous
People in the 50's were big into monster.movies. that's an incredibly fallible metric
2 years ago
Anonymous
That’s true because literally zero people in Russia, China, India or Brazil have watched a Marvel film ever
2 years ago
Anonymous
The concept of a self-sacrificing hero that defends innocents is outlandish to your average Russian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Avengers
Why do vatniks always bring up avengers and marvel
>Ukraine don’t shell civilians
And the Moon is made of cheese and Santa Clause and the Avengers are real.
Wake TF up, there are no good guys in this war.
>american avengers bad >here's russian bootleg avengers much better
2 years ago
Anonymous
what symbol is that on the left? seems like some slavic pagan symbol. also is that a bara furry in the middle?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have no clue. Last time I saw the trailer the barra furry bear man was not the only bear themed hero. There was also just an actual bear there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It looks a lot like dark age migration era/viking shield designs I've seen but not quite perfectly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what symbol is that on the left?
New video card man, something which is steadily falling into a fading, distant memory in Russia
That movie had two different dubs in Germany with the first one being basically the German equivalent of the ADV Ghost Stories dub.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God damn every time I see a woman from Russia they look like they came out of the Trailer Park Boys
2 years ago
Anonymous
Trailer park boys would be considered upstanding members of their community over there
2 years ago
Anonymous
>here's russian bootleg avengers much better
which, ironically is a total ripoff of something Marvel made: The Soviet Super Soldiers
pic related
2 years ago
Anonymous
Truly the Western society is collapsing and Russia is handling things better
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WTF is a fallacy of gray?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice muddying the water but some people still remember everything Russia did since 20014.
Every single lie, every single false flag, every single FSB plant warlord in Donbabwe and Luganda who had his six months of fame until dying in a tragic car bomb accident.
>If you send aid, it's ww3! >if you send advisers, it's ww3 >if you send arty, it's ww3! >if you send atacms, it's ww3!
Any more you'd want to add to the list?
Atacms are the line in the sand, now? Why that of all things? Ww3 is the last thing Putin wants. No matter what happens, Russia will end up worse off than anyone else
>Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece
Maybe in their dreams. In reality Russia couldn't even get a non-moving airfield inoperable with their wunderwaffe.
> A shitton of enemy military around > The only use of high range and precision missile system he sees is hitting civilian targets
That's how vatnik brain works.
Iskanders have shit accuracy, though. Also, shelling civilian targets to provoke a bigger response from your adversary in order to get more weapons is like cutting your dick off in hopes of getting potty sex. That makes zero godamned sense
>My 2 cents is that the ukes will use them to hit more civillian targets in Donbas and possible in Crimea to provoke more brutal retaliation from the russians
My bet is that Crimean bridge will be hit somewhere in the next few weeks
HIMARS can literally drive to a firing position, fire a salvo, frick off to reload and do it AGAIN in the time it takes for an Iskander to arrive. Keep coping vatnik
HIMARs missiles are GPS guided with a circular error probability of 5 meters-i.e half will land within 5 meters and 99.8% within 15 meters. SMERCH has a CEP of 150m
I don't think they've done much jamming since the early phases. It didn'treally seem to work well and rhen service feom the US and daddy Elon sealed the deal. Russian jamming peobably messes with their own Garmins more than the GPS that Uke MLRS are on.
Haven't Israeli F-35s been bushwhacking past S-400 with Krasukha in Syria for years? And the Russians protested endlessly but never fired a missile or even pulled any EW frickery?
This vatnik shit never fricking worked lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They have, but being able to fully BTFO their counter-AWACS makes joint strikes that much easier.
By what? Ivan's portable microwave that he plugged into one of the HIMAR's electrical cabin outlets. These aren't your 180 U-turn and smack into the launcher missiles, this shit's the top shelf stuff.
>Su-25s aren't doing anything but CAS
There's speculation that some of the hits on HVTs have been by Su-25s rather than Tochkas. I do agree that Tochka supplies are dwindling but it's not like the West is handing them enough MRLS units to actually replace them, at least as of yet. I have my hopes up that someone will find a pair of balls and a deep enough wallet to start dumping en-masse but one battery, plus the other one being sent over would only supplement not replace the Tochkas.
[...]
Doesn't Ukraine still have some Smerch units around? At least more than HIMARS. They're not particularly accurate nor do they have as much range but neither of those matter in terms of suppression of conventional arty. Using the single battery as a precision weapon is unironically a better choice here.
Smerch is still present and is a significant deterrent factor in the East and South.
But ammo is in short supply for those, as well as for BM-27 Uragan, only Grad missiles are relatively easy to get. Also, both have been at war since 2014 and have largely worn out and Uragan has a lot of chassis issues.
Smerch is not particularly accurate, and according to Soviet doctrine, it was not supposed to be.
We have domestic modernization of Smerch missile called "Vilkha" and have a new guided missile "Vilkha-M" with range increased up to 130 - 200km depending on the version. CEP ~ 10m and 30m at distances of more than 100 km, for "Vilkha-M".
Both are used in a war, and both got good feedback, however, not many units and missiles were produced.
I wonder how exactly the killchain for these works. How do they get GPS targets onboard? Voice radio from the spotters, or something more fancy than that?
Probably at a regimental level, however they are sort of designed to run around with mobile forces so it could even be at the Battalion level of just sending down a fire mission of what type, how many of them and then giving them a GPS grid to go remove. That source could come from drones, sats, counter battery radar or eyeballs on the ground that need removing.
They've also got some of the M270's there from the UK and Germany which are a similar but larger unit and uses the same ammo, so they're some pretty serious shit too which will basically remove a whole frickload of territory in one volley
So why do even modern militaries bother with howitzers when rocket launchers have better range, faster rate of fire, and can be guided.
Is it simply because of the logistics and price of the rockets?
Artillery can just blaze away all day until the crew falls unconscious, rocket systems tend to be a bit harder on logistics by the fact a truck might carry 50 rounds of 155 and charges, but could only carry 3-4 rockets and some days you just need to blow up a lot of targets
Ammo is more compact and lighter as you don't have a large rocket body behind the warhead. Same reason to still use mortars. The short range of mortars is not a problem when they're at the company or battalion level supporting the maneuver. Or artillery at the brigade level supporting battalions.
So the thing about rocket artillery is you can't carry enough because it is bulky.
Someone said it's like Nasheeds and endless Allahu Akbars in middle east clips, it's just expected at this point. It would almost feel hollow without it.
That has stuck with me
lol
Even if that was true, getting all rockets to land right on top of buildings within the same compound is hell of a lot more impressive than bombarding a giant field like it's 1916 again
I check out FIRMS and that's not actually Snake Island! It's quite a ways away, It may be that burning thing that was visible from Odessa a few days ago. Maybe that oil rig that was struck?
You think Ukranians accept any russians that happen to surrender the last month/month and a half considering their barbaric warcrimes against civilians, including children?
but serious question, isn't fire rate kinda slugish? lets say you want to unload a whole battery, doesn't it make it too exposed to counterfire? or im moronic and conventional artillery can't counter it, only another missile system?
every single rocket will hit it's mark, Grads shoot so much faster because they are not accurate at all and just try to cover as wide area as possible to hope that statistically something will hit
Each launcher is only 6 missiles, with, what, 6-7 seconds between each, that's 30 seconds;
at 70-80km launch distances if they weren't detected while setting up, the firing time doesn't matter
They aren't saturation weapons like conventional MLRS ala Grads. Less need for missile spam. That being said, they might be spacing out launches so all warheads hit at the same time, but it's probably just to guarantee safe launches. >conventional artillery can't counter it, only another missile system?
Basically. The biggest and baddest Gun artillery tops out at 40km, these can max out at 84 with the missiles they have. Missiles might be able to hit them, but you'd need to know where they are first. Which again, 84km away, good luck finding it. It's the same problem the Russians are no doubt having with Ceasers, but even fricking worse.
We’re going to get lots of kino from the HIMARS over the next few months I bet, as long as they can keep them fed and shoot and scoot NATO satelites will feed targets. Looking at the webm if they’re firing at night that adds another layer of difficulty for counterfire or CAS
in that video it is a little slow, gmlrs can be ripple fired, the us has shown it off in lots of training videos and some footage from iraq. someone even posted a video of gmlrs hits in quick succession
THE BIG YES
What difference does attacking during night make for the attacker if he has modern night vision equipment and thermals? Is it still a hinder or just a slight bother?
>Russia does not have modern night vision
>Russia does not have thermals
>Counterbattery crews are more likely to be asleep
>Targets may be more bunched up eg soldiers returning to a garrison to sleep
>Strikes at night make the enemy more frightened and paranoid
>If you spot a target at night why wait until the morning to shoot at it
You're forgetting the most important part:
It's beautiful.
Also nvg and thermals are equipment that mitigate - not negate the complications of night time ops. It's still a fricking hassle to get them, get them on, deal with adjusting and calibrating (and I bet you blowjobs to donuts the vatniks have (if they even have any at all) the old junk that needs to be adjusted manually unless you want to fry the sensor chip next time Boris shines his flashlight at you). Also even if they do have some nvg's there's no way a majority do, and even if a majority do I bet they either can't find them fast, have broken them and just pretend they work to not get assraped by their commissar, have no batteries and/or not don't have enough training to actually use them effectively. Nvg's aren't just like slapping on goggles of truesight, you have to be practiced at wearing and using them to fully benefit from them if nothing else the invasion has demonstrated that Russians are neither trained, practiced or even housebroken.
Also blowing shit up in the night looks pretty. Setting of fireworks during daytime is just silly.
what the frick is that comic
like what is the slant here
>you made fun of us for not having basic infrastructure and shitting all over the place? w-well, W-W-WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SHITTING ON OUR LAWNS AND STREETS AND STEPPING IN IT EVERY DAY, WE'RE SHITTING ON POLAND BECAUSE IT SCARES US
that's it, that's literally the joke. they can't meme.
I'm guessing the original comic was made by a vatnik trying to make Russians look good and someone edited the speech bubble to make fun of the fact that rural Russia is India-tier.
If you want a taste of Russian humor you can watch this.
https://movieslist.best/movie/blind-man-x27-s-bluff-2005/similar/
Basically a Pulp fiction ripoff but without any finesse or light humor. Just pair of fugly motherfrickers shooting and torturing other fugly mofos for 1,5 hours. We`ve broken sumdood knee with a hammer - xaxaxaxaxaxa. Dead bodies in morgue - xaxaxaxaxa. Everything is fugly, decrepit and degenerate - xaxaxaxaaxaxa.
Cohencidentally the lead actor is a huge vatnik and also a consummate swinger pedo, kek. So he kind of played himself.
https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/294056/
https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/283217/
https://memepedia.ru/panin-snyal-klip-s-pornoaktrisoj-evoj-berger-no-ne-upomyanul-ee-v-titrax/
That's a good example of Putinist-era humor, perhaps, but not of Russian humor.
Not that I'm a huge fan of most Russian culture, but it's worth noting that Putin's Russia is actually quite different and quite worse than both the 90-00s chaos and the USSR.
This is a much better example.
Russian culture is good, but obviously not the perverse Putinist arm of it. Victor Pelevin is my favourite author and they have some great bands like Utro or Human Tetris.
>Russian culture is good
Russian culture is alcoholism and suffering, plus some epic literature about suffering.
You're underplaying it a tad. Don't forget AIDS and krokodil, both of which generate a thriving literature of suffering themselves.
the soviets destroyed any semblance of russian culture, leaving only alcoholism and despair
you are simply a fool, anon
Some of the greatest works of Russian culture came out under the USSR.
The USSR definitely choked culture by promoting morons and smothering real writers and musicians, but there also was some good stuff (and a lot of it was subtly or rather overtly critical of Russia).
Read some Strugatsky and consider that every time they wrote about "fascists" such as Time of Rain, Hard to be a God and Inhabited Island, they were writing about the country they lived in.
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since Bolshevism, buddy. The resurrected Russia is a shithole with a shitty amalgam of what they’ve tried to bring back from the before communism whilst still keeping plenty of Soviet “culture”. That gay Kirill is an apostate, too.
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since Tsarism
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since the Grand Duchy of Mosvow
Russian “culture” has been in the sewer since the Mongols
Tsarism was despicable but at least they created some nice architecture.
>Reading comprehension is hard for the illiterate plebbitor
with rocket artillery you are seen from longer distance with naked eye and easier to counter, I'd say high risk but potentially high reward
nvm russia aint nigeria
is india instead
Even if you assume Russian's have all that kit (they don't) it's always going to be worth attacking at night because a dozen guys staying up to fire arty can keep 200 awake all night and make them less combat effective for the next day.
mmm sadochok
Yes, Sadochok. Wanna some Zhivchik in addition?
Liked it a lot as a kid but now it taste like piss water to me. Idk why.
I'm trans btw if that matters
All "solodka voda" is piss water. You can't drink that shit unless you're still a kid and have high tolerance drinks with so much sugar.
This, adults transition to beer and cider to block out unwanted thoughts
oh boy it happun
>https://streamable.com/kppqja
Nice try but this is ARMA
Nice try, but this is clearly factorio. Pretty impressive though, must be a pretty efficient base to be able to launch so many rockets.
> muh belts
What's the range of those things? 50km? More?
70km.
Noice.
it's M31A1, so more than that. Up to 85km
Taking bets on how many days until
>first one gets btfo by Russian Aerospace Forces
>first one gets broken by ukrop moron mechanics
>first one gets sold to ISIS by ukrop colonel
For each one that gets btfo, we should send 10 more
So that's how you'll cope.
How do you cope with 20th announced retaking of Kherson now stuck too?
I cope by living in a country that's top 10 in the Human Development Index
But do you have SPACE and TIGERS?
westbros... we lost... we have no T-I-G-E-R. it's over.
Do the tigers have aids too?
Did he actually say that or is it part of the joke?
>Russian Aerospace Forces
what's that?
Tossed Orbitals Turrets Special-diviZion
>first one gets sold to ISIS by ukrop colonel
You know in the Chechen wars Russian conscripts would sell their ammunition to local chechens in exchange for food, cigarettes and booze and the higher up you got the worse the corruption: Russian generals would sell brand new Russian APCs to the enemy still in their original factory grease and everything.
How to vatnik 101: Always accuse the enemy of doing what you're doing yourself.
There's probably more Russian military optics on civilian rifles in the US than issued in RF armed forces.
I think I just came, also fullrez video on nitter
https://nitter.it/UAWeapons/status/1540247955046912001
Obviously a single battery isn't gonna do much on its own but god I love seeing western MRLS firing.
>Obviously a single battery isn't gonna do much on its own
That depends on intelligence. A single rocket could destroy a whole ammo depot in theory.
Eh, you're right but Tochkas and the Ukrainian Air Force, despite being definitely totally and completely annihilated in the first week (source: trust me bro) has been pulling their weight against those kind of targets. Maybe the Ukrainians will use these as mini multi-shot Tochkas but I just don't see it being likely for them to have an outsized effect on the battlefield considering existing capabilities, at most just reducing losses in aircraft being sent out to hit this kind of valuable target.
There's very few Tochkas left and Su-25s aren't doing anything but CAS with unguided rocket salvos
>Su-25s aren't doing anything but CAS
There's speculation that some of the hits on HVTs have been by Su-25s rather than Tochkas. I do agree that Tochka supplies are dwindling but it's not like the West is handing them enough MRLS units to actually replace them, at least as of yet. I have my hopes up that someone will find a pair of balls and a deep enough wallet to start dumping en-masse but one battery, plus the other one being sent over would only supplement not replace the Tochkas.
Doesn't Ukraine still have some Smerch units around? At least more than HIMARS. They're not particularly accurate nor do they have as much range but neither of those matter in terms of suppression of conventional arty. Using the single battery as a precision weapon is unironically a better choice here.
>Doesn't Ukraine still have some Smerch units around?
I think they had about 80-90 of them, but dunno anything about how many left now or if they had a lot of rockets for them either
Ukies seem to be going mostly after the ammo dumps lately, because it does look very pretty when it explodes and really annoys the Russians who hate anything beautiful
>There's very few Tochkas left
Source?
Ukrainian volunteer https://twitter.com/TarasChmut who's very familiar with situation all around said that they have them enough for 6 more month of war, and by the point all Tochkas are used up they hope to recieve ATACMS for HIMARS
t. ukie
Thanks. Let's hope you get some TOW's or something until then.
Da. Very few, its ogre
just in like my generals
Pliss, vodt is the black smoak arising from the based ending of rocket weaponing?
Turbopump spinup, I suppose
They're solid fuel engines, so some kind of ignition system involving a lot of fire before it becomes the big fire
Thanking yous very much, sirs for the informationing. it appear quite pollutioned.
On anothr points, Could you liking to be my friend?
Suppression of Russian arty is probably one of the better uses of them, they (Russians) can't advance without clearing the ground with barrages first, so the less they can move forward then it more or less stalls things out. That's sort of what Ukraine needs more than anything is time, move their shit from west to east, relieve troops from assaults and get more of basically everything towards their own defence and offence spots.
I mean, no one wants to leave territory, but if you've got to buy time to either counter attack in better numbers/gear, then it'll pay off in the long term
You realize that all that depends upon these HIMARS being CONSTANTLY and I mean constantly on the move cz if they linger and don't scram after pretty much every salvo, then they will get annihilated.
The clue is in
>High Mobility Artillery Rocket System
But yeah, its SOP for most MRL's that you're not hanging around after launch and go somewhere less explody to reload them which takes some time anyway
You think those HIMARS sat there on that field in the middle of the night, around a campfire, after that salvo? Of course they gonna move dude
That's their intent you SFN.
>cz if they linger and don't scram after pretty much every salvo, then they will get annihilated
So like any other rocket artillery or artillery in general when fighting a counter-battery capable enemy?
Annihilated by what? They're out of conventional artillery range. Russia could try and hit them with guided missiles but that would be playing a game of wack a mole and I doubt they have the missile stocks to do that.
>isn't gonna do much on its own
HIMARS isn't a simple howitzer. It's very precise and long ranged. With a properly trained crew, it will hit what it's aimed at. Russia doesn't have anything in Ukraine that is designed to intercept it, either. Just a handful of HIMARS will provide a significant tactical boost when we consider that they can strike anything in the Donbass from behind Ukraine's frontlines.
A general was spotted in town X? HIMARS can be on him in 10 minutes or less.
Given their lack of opsec when it comes to colonels and generals that like to go poncing around the front lines its going to get fricking nasty.
Hell, anyone in so much 50m of a UCV should start getting nervous
Looks pretty cool
>US will never send weapons to Ukraine
>US will never send vehicles to Ukraine
>US will never send artillery to Ukraine
>US will never send helicopters to Ukraine
>US will never send GMLRS to Ukraine
YOU ARE HERE
>US will never send F-16s to Ukraine
>US will never send Patriot to Ukraine
>US will never send cruise missiles to Ukraine
>US will never send nukes to Ukraine
Considering that Ukraine has both rocket and nuclear technologies they could probably make some themselves. I assume the only thing stopping them is that the west would instantly turn on them if they tried.
You need highly enriched Uranium or Plutonium to make a basic gun type nuke. So they would need centrifuges to purify both U-238 and Plutonium harvested from nuclear reactors, this costs billions to setup.
Russia has over 130 000 people for the warheads alone under the ministry of energy
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/arsenal/structure.html
there is no way Ukraine can manage to build even a simple nuke under war time conditions.
>Scoop some juice at the Chernobyl
>Put it into the warhead
>send it to Moscow
>profit
>You need highly enriched Uranium
We had about 50 kilos of that, but Yanukovych give it up on the second month of the presidency.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-uranium-idUSTRE6BU1KO20101231
>there is no way Ukraine can manage to build even a simple nuke under war time conditions.
This.
the plutonium can be chemically separated, actually, you don't need to enrich it
you need to enrich the Uranium in order to make the plutonium however but I think they have fuel grade uranium
Yeah, centrifuge setup cost billions. It would be a lot easier to refurbish partially or functional warheads via small scale gas centrifuge. If only there was some way to salvage a warhead or two somewhere from something like a sunken sub or maybe cruiser. It would have to be close and the best would be if it was inside range of UK missile range to deter russian attempts to interfere. The best thing is they wouldn't even have to officially declare that they had the weapons. The absence of warheads from said wreckage once discovered and the implied destination would be sufficient. Maybe if zelensky felt ballsy he could allow trace isotopes only present in fissile materials refinement processes to be detected by neighboring radiological institutes. Alas, what are the odds that a nuclear armed vessel would sink on low water within spitting distance of Ukrainian missile systems on low water depths (about say, 40m hypothetically). Alas, a man can only dream.
>US will never send cruise missiles to Russia
They sent helicopters too?
28 Mi-17s
I think all post soviet countries offloaded their ageing fleets
Clearly ARMA 3 Helicopters DLC footage. You can see that this particular in-game screenshot was done on a low-spec machine right after map load. The planes are missing models of some of their parts, and a couple aren't even textured properly. Disgraceful propaganda
Um I think patriot might be in country not sure though I think I saw it mentioned few weeks back
You might be confused with the Patriots supplied to Slovakia in exchange for Slovakia giving up its S300 for Ukraine
>HIMARS in Ukraine
Nice! Russians have already taken a Caeser french SPG, soon they will get HIMARS as well.
Btw, they already looked at the M777 and said it was junk....the ukes agreed.
much obliged
multiple oligations
>Russians have already taken a Caeser french SPG
Of course they did.
is that from KC? is it still infested by pedos?
>is that from KC?
yup
>is it still infested by pedos?
their /uhg/ isnt, i dont visit other threads/boards
Thanks, into the collage it goes!
vérifier incel slava z. beaucoup de bonnes infos que l'ouest essaie de cacher
>KC
I thought krautchan was dead for some years now?
Regis de Castelnau works for RT. I'd sooner trust the word of a schizophrenic kleptomaniac
He's also a filthy commie who encouraged people to vote for the r*ssian shill in the latest french elections.
No communist would endorse Le Pen. Waht the hell are you talking about.
https://frontpopulaire.fr/o/Content/co9306773/moi-communiste-patriote-je-voterai-marine-le-pen
This is your mind on vatnik propaganda
Then he simply stops being a communist, by virtue of his endorsement.
I doubt he has the mental capacity to feel cognitive dissonance.
There's nothing more communist than the propping up of nazis.
>No communist would endorse Le Pen. Waht the hell are you talking about.
Shows how much you know. There are an awful lot of ex-commies that joined the "far right".
>RT France
Why do governments run these god awful PR news organizations?
>feel free to check out my telegram
frick I feel like I've been handed a discord link
Michelle Obama
Ah yes I heard about the Ceaser’s being captured. I believe the source of this info was French general “Moi Anus”
Then why do russians keep crying about western weapons deliveries?
Why does the West keep crying about russian military operations in Ukraine? No reason for you to care about random people.
Because civillized people find the murder and rape of non-combatants quite disagreeable.
Kadyrovites are doing the raping for the most part, not Russians
https://kyivindependent.com/national/hide-the-girls-how-russian-soldiers-rape-and-torture-ukrainians
> "Russians told my husband: ‘Hide the girls’. I overheard them saying it,” said Inga Odinokova, the mother of a 25-year-old daughter. They are both residents of Velykyi Lis, a tiny village in Kyiv Oblast, 35 kilometers northwest from Bucha. Russian soldiers told Odinokova that the kadyrovites, members of a paramilitary organization from Chechnya named so for their leader Ramzan Kadyrov, settled in a nearby village of Shybene and that they were rapists. Multiple women in Shybene confirmed Odinokova’s account. In another place in Kyiv Oblast, a 34-year-old woman witnessed kadyrovites raping and killing her neighbours. She is a client of Vilena Kit, a psychologist from Lviv who is helping victims of Russia’s war to overcome trauma."
Churkas being rapists does not exonerate the rest of Russians in any way.
Kadyrovites are following Russian's orders
Sorry, I fail to see how they are not part of the Russian army.
lol The Russians are the raped not the rapers. Ethnic Russian conscripts are broken in by the ethnics from the Caucuses, Siberia and Urals. They just can't get enough of the young white Moscow and St Petersburg twinks.
Can Russians even answer questions straight without deflecting or going off on some whatabboutism tangent? It's like their brains are hardwired to be as deceitful and underhanded as possible.
>this mad a handful of western hand-me-downs halted his favorite war machine
Russians are pathetic
So a attempted genocidal war of extermination is a whataboutism yet the weapons sent to stop said attempted genocide is le ww3?
So what is your cope going to be when absolutely everything and everybody except WMDs are testing their equipment on your steel helmet/mosin equipped vatnik bots with monke still refusing to declare a official war?
Because EVEN IF they were only killing, raping, and torturing Ukrainian soldiers, people in the West are smart enough not to turn into automatons when putting on a uniform or supporting a cause. We value all human life to some extent, to the point that even prisoners or enemies at war have basic human rights. Unlike vatniks, who would jump off a cliff if Daddy Putina told them to, and who have no respect even for their own lives and rights, let alone anyone else's. Normal human beings know that a war is an inherent evil that necessarily ends the lives of young people for no fricking reason, doubly so if the war is unjust, which this one clearly is.
you do not understand. you are denying them their soviet prison culture! what is ivan gonna do if he does not get his daily dose of bussy?
Nobody is crying. It's just fun to watch russians die 🙂
have a pity (you)
Très obligé
毎度あり、ロウスケくん
Domo arigatou, mister robato.
Medulla Oblongata
dull oblongs
Viel Obligiert, Genosse
mucha obligación
Thanke Obama!
Smerch is cheaper and fires faster, but Himars has a higher range.
I wonder about the accuracy.
>Smerch is cheaper and fires faster, but Himars has a higher range.
>I wonder about the accuracy.
HIMARS is probably better then Smerch. Smerch rockets are mostly unguided to my knowledge, this answers how accurate they are.
Russians still value quantity over quality, but they have quality as well with their Iskanders and kamikaze drones.
Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece, so don't expect them to do much.
My 2 cents is that the ukes will use them to hit more civillian targets in Donbas and possible in Crimea to provoke more brutal retaliation from the russians....which they can use to gather more weapons from NATO, maybe even an interventions.
I don't see any better uses for these systems.
>Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece, so don't expect them to do much
The lack of intel on the HIMARS positions is the issue.
Russia has only two optical high res satellites. They might receive intel from China, but it's not enough.
Other than that, only drones or human resources could provide intel on the location of HIMARs.
I suppose they will shell civilian areas yeah, just out of revenge.
>I suppose they will shell civilian areas yeah, just out of revenge.
Interesting, it's as if the ukes weren't doing the same, but I guess it's only newsworthy if the russians are doing it.
Where do you think Ukraine will be in 6 months? I'd wager it will be around half of it's size now.
If the US sends ATACMS, then it's hello, WW3 time.
I think nobody is debating that Ukraine also shells civilians, but whether the valuable HIMARS would be used for such an objective instead of a military target remains to be seen.
Ukraine don’t shell civilians
>Ukraine don’t shell civilians
And the Moon is made of cheese and Santa Clause and the Avengers are real.
Wake TF up, there are no good guys in this war.
Ukraine is objectively the good guy.
>Documented evidence of separatists storing ammunition in civilian residential areas
>Documented evidence of Ukrainian strikes destroying these ammunition stores
>Donbas telegram channels claim shelling from within separatist held territory
>Absolutely ridiculous DPR false flags before the Russian advance in February
Muh 8 million years of shelling
you forgot the part where the donbas banana republics blew up an airliner and lied about it afterwards
war usually isnt bad guys vs good guys, but in this instance, Ukraine has done far far less awful shit than russia and its puppets
Airliner was an honest mistake though, judging from their twitter post (which was quickly deleted when they heard the news) they genuinely thought they had shot down a Ukie jet.
So?
Just half assedly barging into conversations that I haven't read any other part of to say and honest mistake doesn't make you a bad guy. All the rest of the shit they do does, like lying about it and the stuff the other anon mentioned.
Shooting down a civilian airliner DOES make you a bad guy anon
>Shooting down a civilian airliner DOES make you a bad guy anon
Speaking of which.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
>honest mistake
They lie about that "honest mistake" to this day. Russians will still claim Ukraine shot it down.
Iran shot down an airliner not so long ago and they accepted blame within a day or so.
In what world is shooting down an airliner an "honest" mistake?
Is it the world where they lied and obfuscated about it? Is it the world where they blocked any and all UN resolution over it? Is it the world where they fasified data over it?
Tell me how any of that is "honest".
If it was that "honest" of a mistake, the least they could have done is own up to it, and said they were sorry, but that didn't even happen. Instead the BUK got snuck back into Russia and hidden behind "didn du nuffin"
>be bunch of morons
>get a BUK
>instantly shoot it at first blip on radar you see
>Oh we're so sorry!
>Oh we're so sorry!
If only. They never acknowledged the mistake and took no responsibility. Their defense is "no u".
actually in one of their scenarios of what happened(because Russia has a lot of them, including one where Ukrainian BUK operator mistook that plane for Putin's main plane because they look similar from bottom), Ukrainian side KNEW Russia will give BUK to separatists, so they flew military plane through same corridor on same altitude several times to bait separatists into killing innocent people.
So basically separatists did it, but Ukrainians are at fault, they sacrificed those people to make Russia look bad!
Interesting theory. But they would still be at fault in this scenario so I imagine it's not too publicized compared to others.
you just don't know Russians well, for them in that scenario, 100% of blame goes to Ukraine
oh and you can notice that in how they talk about this war sometimes. USA FORCED/tricked Russia to invade Ukraine, in that case Russia blames all the deaths in this war on USA
>Interesting theory.
>t. braindead
>an honest mistake though
Oh well, bridge under the water 🙂
was an honest mistake though
>haha oops damn guys my bad
do vatniks really
>do vatniks really
Actually no, it was literally anything BUT their fault, mistake or not.
>Ukrainian SAM
>Ukrainian AAM
>bomb planted on the plane by Ukrainians
>plane filled with corpses out of a CIA morgue and made to crash
etc.
It took them 70 years to apologize for Katyn and 40 years to apologize for Prague Spring and not even ten years later, they've been memory holed again because soviet history MUST BE PRISTINE.
Never said it wasn't their fault, I just said it was done out of ineptitude rather than malice.
No it wasn't an honest mistake you complete cretin. You don't give Anti-aircraft systems to dumb fricks that don't know how to use them, station them in areas where you know civilian airlines fly over, lie to the world about what you have in the area and then when one is shot down lie through your teeth, changing your story FIVE TIMES in response to new evidence showing up. Russia is absolutely culpable for this shit and you are a goddamn embarrassment of a human being for simping for them over it.
Don't forget the Donbabwian rats looting the bodies to buy world of tanks gold.
You were an honest mistake
>Pic related
I was just reading an older Amnesty report and found this gem
>On 23 September [2014], the Russian media reported the discovery of “mass graves” in Komunar
and Nyzhnya Krynka, two adjacent villages northeast of Makeevka, in the Donetsk Region.
>Other media reports, citing DNR sources, claimed that one of the bodies was that
of a pregnant woman.
>On 25 September, the “Prime Minister” of the DNR, Aleksandr
Zakharchenko, claimed in a media interview that three burial sites had been found [...] one containing the bodies of “around 40 peaceful residents” and the others containing the bodies of DNR captives.
> Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, was reported later as saying that more than 400 bodies had been discovered in the graves in this area
>An Amnesty International delegation visited the area on 26 September, shortly after the
graves were discovered
> It is clear, however, that some DNR sources, Russian media outlets and, indeed,
Russian authorities have significantly exaggerated the number of bodies found and the scale
of the possible war crimes committed.
>Amnesty International was able to identify three grave
sites, containing a total of nine bodies, five of which appear to have been DNR fighters killed
in the course of hostilities.
https://www.amnesty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ukraine.pdf
TL;DR: Russian reported Nazi Kiev Junta executed at least 40 civilians plus 360 POWs, the actual number was closer to 4, a mere 2 orders of magnitude off.
Crap, messed up the greentext.
There might be no good guys. But Russians are still evil while Ukraine is in the grey zone.
>Hungarian
And who started the war?
it doesn't matter. it's perfectly legal for a country to shell or otherwise deliberately attack its own civilians, during a war or otherwise - that is an internal matter, and the geneva conventions don't apply to civil wars or other domestic disturbances. the donbas is part of ukraine, therefore ukraine can shell it to their hearts content and the international community gives zero fricks. russia, by contrast, commits a war crime when it shells civilians in ukraine, because those villages and cities are not russian.
Most countries have military laws that forbid indiscrimate attacks against civilians and other non-combatants, Russia included
USA
>Avengers
Why do vatniks always bring up avengers and marvel
They are popular and western, so that makes them a target. Or have you not noticed the consistent targeted shit posting at every Marvel release since around 2014?
not only vatniks, anyone with two brain cells to rub together too
its popularity is a sign of western cultural decay
People in the 50's were big into monster.movies. that's an incredibly fallible metric
That’s true because literally zero people in Russia, China, India or Brazil have watched a Marvel film ever
The concept of a self-sacrificing hero that defends innocents is outlandish to your average Russian.
>american avengers bad
>here's russian bootleg avengers much better
what symbol is that on the left? seems like some slavic pagan symbol. also is that a bara furry in the middle?
I have no clue. Last time I saw the trailer the barra furry bear man was not the only bear themed hero. There was also just an actual bear there.
It looks a lot like dark age migration era/viking shield designs I've seen but not quite perfectly.
>what symbol is that on the left?
New video card man, something which is steadily falling into a fading, distant memory in Russia
>GTX 1060
>bara furry (no homosexual tho)
>BDSM mistress
>CostCo Sub-Zero
That movie had two different dubs in Germany with the first one being basically the German equivalent of the ADV Ghost Stories dub.
God damn every time I see a woman from Russia they look like they came out of the Trailer Park Boys
Trailer park boys would be considered upstanding members of their community over there
>here's russian bootleg avengers much better
which, ironically is a total ripoff of something Marvel made: The Soviet Super Soldiers
pic related
Truly the Western society is collapsing and Russia is handling things better
>WTF is a fallacy of gray?
Nice muddying the water but some people still remember everything Russia did since 20014.
Every single lie, every single false flag, every single FSB plant warlord in Donbabwe and Luganda who had his six months of fame until dying in a tragic car bomb accident.
>GTX 1060
kek
Russia is bad.
>Where do you think Ukraine will be in 6 months? I'd wager it will be around half of it's size now.
Clint, is that you?
>Clint, is that you?
Nope, but he is closer to reality than a whole lot of people.
Closer to the copium stash yeah.
>Where do you think Ukraine will be in 6 months?
I think they will be in the liberated Kherson and Mariupol.
Well at least you've learned to use bigger numbers these time. We're literally 4 months in to the supposed "two weeks".
>If you send aid, it's ww3!
>if you send advisers, it's ww3
>if you send arty, it's ww3!
>if you send atacms, it's ww3!
Any more you'd want to add to the list?
>if you send air forces, it's ww3!
Atacms are the line in the sand, now? Why that of all things? Ww3 is the last thing Putin wants. No matter what happens, Russia will end up worse off than anyone else
ATACMS will be the next to go over. NATO is boiling Putin's Russia slowly.
3 more days to Kiev comrade
>My 2 cents
Let's be honest, you meat your 2 kopejkas.
>Let's be honest, you meat your 2 kopejkas.
Actually it's fillers and no, not filler for a twinkie. HUFs had filler for change. 100 fillers were 1 Forint...before we stopped using them.
fasszopo cigany
>Magyar
>willingly admitting to being a discount Serb
lol
lmao
>Those will make short work of any hi-tech western arty piece
Maybe in their dreams. In reality Russia couldn't even get a non-moving airfield inoperable with their wunderwaffe.
>I don't see any better uses for these systems.
that says a great deal about your intelligence, and very little about ukraine.
> A shitton of enemy military around
> The only use of high range and precision missile system he sees is hitting civilian targets
That's how vatnik brain works.
Get a trip already.
Iskanders have shit accuracy, though. Also, shelling civilian targets to provoke a bigger response from your adversary in order to get more weapons is like cutting your dick off in hopes of getting potty sex. That makes zero godamned sense
>My 2 cents is that the ukes will use them to hit more civillian targets in Donbas and possible in Crimea to provoke more brutal retaliation from the russians
My bet is that Crimean bridge will be hit somewhere in the next few weeks
They need to hit that bridge.
HIMARS can literally drive to a firing position, fire a salvo, frick off to reload and do it AGAIN in the time it takes for an Iskander to arrive. Keep coping vatnik
>Be russian
>First thought is to use something to shoot civilians
Like pottery
Iskanders will be lucky to hit a static barn. They will never in their life hit a moving target.
>I wonder about the accuracy.
They're precision guided rockets, huge difference
Ahh I see, nice air bursts.
>accuracy
HIMARs missiles are GPS guided with a circular error probability of 5 meters-i.e half will land within 5 meters and 99.8% within 15 meters. SMERCH has a CEP of 150m
GPS can be jammed tho
not from 200 miles away
I don't think they've done much jamming since the early phases. It didn'treally seem to work well and rhen service feom the US and daddy Elon sealed the deal. Russian jamming peobably messes with their own Garmins more than the GPS that Uke MLRS are on.
Smokin' ain't got me fricked up.
Not to mention stuff like this has probably been picked apart into molecules and studied already.
Haven't Israeli F-35s been bushwhacking past S-400 with Krasukha in Syria for years? And the Russians protested endlessly but never fired a missile or even pulled any EW frickery?
This vatnik shit never fricking worked lmao.
They have, but being able to fully BTFO their counter-AWACS makes joint strikes that much easier.
They have inertial guidance as well. Makes it very difficult and unlikely to successfully divert them
By what? Ivan's portable microwave that he plugged into one of the HIMAR's electrical cabin outlets. These aren't your 180 U-turn and smack into the launcher missiles, this shit's the top shelf stuff.
But HIMARS is the launcher, not the missile? Are you talking about ATACMS?
Ukraine are getting the M31 rockets which are guided.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M142_HIMARS#Rockets_and_missiles
I seen a brochure for the Excalibur GPS guided shells and it said it had unjammable GPS + inertial guidance, not sure how it works though.
The himars launch platform has a bunch of stuff it can fire
Every night I pray that the US will finally agree to sending ATACMS to Ukraine
Prism would put moscow just about in range...
>rapidly deployable via C-130 (1 ea) and C-17 (3 ea loaded/ 4 empty
I wonder if that is why they only sent 4. It was all they could fit in one plane.
Keeping 4 HIMARS launchers supplied with missiles is very logistically taxing. Each 6 rocket pod is about 2 metric tons.
Smerch is still present and is a significant deterrent factor in the East and South.
But ammo is in short supply for those, as well as for BM-27 Uragan, only Grad missiles are relatively easy to get. Also, both have been at war since 2014 and have largely worn out and Uragan has a lot of chassis issues.
Smerch is not particularly accurate, and according to Soviet doctrine, it was not supposed to be.
We have domestic modernization of Smerch missile called "Vilkha" and have a new guided missile "Vilkha-M" with range increased up to 130 - 200km depending on the version. CEP ~ 10m and 30m at distances of more than 100 km, for "Vilkha-M".
Both are used in a war, and both got good feedback, however, not many units and missiles were produced.
Huh, so this is what non-shit rocket arty sounds and looks like. Quite a difference.
But i thought they were destroyed by high precision Kalibr strike?
I wonder.
footage is from a test in germany.
I wonder how exactly the killchain for these works. How do they get GPS targets onboard? Voice radio from the spotters, or something more fancy than that?
"It came to me in a dream" (aka live feed from Western spy satellites).
>"It came to me in a dream"
I've seen this referenced numerous times. Where is this from?
It's a meme
The book is 'The Divine and the Human' by Nicolas Berdyaev
>Nicolas Berdyaev
Literally born in Kiev. Can't make this shit up
Probably at a regimental level, however they are sort of designed to run around with mobile forces so it could even be at the Battalion level of just sending down a fire mission of what type, how many of them and then giving them a GPS grid to go remove. That source could come from drones, sats, counter battery radar or eyeballs on the ground that need removing.
They've also got some of the M270's there from the UK and Germany which are a similar but larger unit and uses the same ammo, so they're some pretty serious shit too which will basically remove a whole frickload of territory in one volley
They have an integrated recon/target allocation/control system for their arty
https://gisarta.org/en/index.html
>8-bit music
never change ukraine.
Ummm its they/themars now, chud
>HIMARS starts working in Ukraine
>Russian anti air missiles suddenly go all crazy, do 180 turns, fall in 100 meters
Intredasting
Any impact footage?
So why do even modern militaries bother with howitzers when rocket launchers have better range, faster rate of fire, and can be guided.
Is it simply because of the logistics and price of the rockets?
Artillery can just blaze away all day until the crew falls unconscious, rocket systems tend to be a bit harder on logistics by the fact a truck might carry 50 rounds of 155 and charges, but could only carry 3-4 rockets and some days you just need to blow up a lot of targets
Ammo is more compact and lighter as you don't have a large rocket body behind the warhead. Same reason to still use mortars. The short range of mortars is not a problem when they're at the company or battalion level supporting the maneuver. Or artillery at the brigade level supporting battalions.
So the thing about rocket artillery is you can't carry enough because it is bulky.
An ammo pack for a HIMARS is 3.5 tons for 6 rockets. 3.5 tons is roughly 50 155 rounds counting the boxes they come in.
>24th of February
Ukrainian are prepa Molotov wienertails to defend Kiyev
>24th of June
Ukrainians are shelling Russian command posts with MLRS
NATO chads we won
And this is the impact day after
>The absolute sublime effect of HIMARS illuminating the earlier launch trails making it seem as if it's travelling along a fluffy tube.
>God, look at them, this is so much different from the MLRS were used to in footage. Could this me-
>Out of fricking nowhere chiptunes
IS THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY POPULATED BY PEOPLE INTO ORGASM DENIAL OR SOME SHIT?
TRANSLATE THAT FRICKING QUESTION DAMN IT I WANT ANSWERS.
>>Out of fricking nowhere chiptunes
The varied yet constantly horrible music in every single video has grown on me.
Someone said it's like Nasheeds and endless Allahu Akbars in middle east clips, it's just expected at this point. It would almost feel hollow without it.
That has stuck with me
not a /k/ino russian rapid firing grads are just so much more cool looking
here's the difference between BM-21 Grad/BM-27 Uragan and HIMARS
dude, you just shelled and then put red Xs in the playback at where the rockets happened to hit. oldest trick in the world.
So those five rockets accidentall fell directly onto those five buildings?
PLEASE be joking. You cannot possibly be this moronic.
lol
Even if that was true, getting all rockets to land right on top of buildings within the same compound is hell of a lot more impressive than bombarding a giant field like it's 1916 again
Jesus fricking christ, that's horrifying.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Sick. I wonder what they were btfo'ing.
what's the reason for having such long-range systems grouped together like this? why not have them in separate locations firing at the same target
Better than nothing, but they should've gotten the vastly superior tracked M270. Notice the rate of fire:
>quali'y
bongs and krauts are sending some of those
>vastly superior
>the rate of fire
Literally the entire difference is
>one set of 6 on wheels
>two sets of 6 on tracks
No. The HIMARS is on a much lighter chassis that can't handle the load like the M993 can.
Wow how about you send a letter to Lockheed engineers telling them they're moronic and designed a launcher that its own chassis can't handle
I thought the Sound effect was fake but it turns out it's not huh
Alchevsk got raped harder than usual last night
they can only shoot up to 70 kilometers
you may not be able to read a map, but rest assured this deficit is not universal.
Snake Island was raped particularly hard last night as well
I check out FIRMS and that's not actually Snake Island! It's quite a ways away, It may be that burning thing that was visible from Odessa a few days ago. Maybe that oil rig that was struck?
Snake island is circled in that pic. And this pic is the burning 'thing' visible from Odessa a few days ago.
The oil rigs that were struck are way further east closer to Crimea
I have no idea then. Whatever it is, it's still burning as of less than 6 hours ago and this pic from Odessa
was taken two days ago
Nobody is there anymore. Good job wasting those expensive Western munitions.
You think Ukranians accept any russians that happen to surrender the last month/month and a half considering their barbaric warcrimes against civilians, including children?
yes, they need PoW for exchanges. But they probably facescan them in case someone fits a profile of a know war criminal
obviously its a quake footage, nice try
but serious question, isn't fire rate kinda slugish? lets say you want to unload a whole battery, doesn't it make it too exposed to counterfire? or im moronic and conventional artillery can't counter it, only another missile system?
every single rocket will hit it's mark, Grads shoot so much faster because they are not accurate at all and just try to cover as wide area as possible to hope that statistically something will hit
Each launcher is only 6 missiles, with, what, 6-7 seconds between each, that's 30 seconds;
at 70-80km launch distances if they weren't detected while setting up, the firing time doesn't matter
They aren't saturation weapons like conventional MLRS ala Grads. Less need for missile spam. That being said, they might be spacing out launches so all warheads hit at the same time, but it's probably just to guarantee safe launches.
>conventional artillery can't counter it, only another missile system?
Basically. The biggest and baddest Gun artillery tops out at 40km, these can max out at 84 with the missiles they have. Missiles might be able to hit them, but you'd need to know where they are first. Which again, 84km away, good luck finding it. It's the same problem the Russians are no doubt having with Ceasers, but even fricking worse.
+russia having vestigial counterbattery logistics
We’re going to get lots of kino from the HIMARS over the next few months I bet, as long as they can keep them fed and shoot and scoot NATO satelites will feed targets. Looking at the webm if they’re firing at night that adds another layer of difficulty for counterfire or CAS
in that video it is a little slow, gmlrs can be ripple fired, the us has shown it off in lots of training videos and some footage from iraq. someone even posted a video of gmlrs hits in quick succession
damn fired 12 rocket wtf did they just pound
Black person WTF
How do you know about GODS NECTAR which is Sadochok?
How do you get this supposed nectar in the rest of Eastern Europe?
That last missile, trailing along the other smoke trails and ligthing them up, pure kino.
Russia has a much more effective weapon than anything the West could send to Ukraine, natural resources, particularly natural gas
PZH2000 kino when
I wonder when we get first arrival videos from spotters? Or those things are so good you don't need spotting, just coords?
What rockets are they using in it?
Itt: /k/opium over literally nothing.
This is the most cringe place on the entire internet. Even rebbit is no longer this delusional..