There, I said it. Ukraine shows us one thing: In a real war where arty shells and shrapnell are flying by the thousands your high speed low drag high cut helmet just aint enough.
That's a proper shooting war where you want to maximize the protected area.
Return of PASGT helmet and vest when?
Both sides seem to be running high cut helmets though.
Is this based on any observable data?
They're using high cut because that's what they got since everybody and their mother fielded that stuff since the start of GWOT. Also: Are there any companies left who actually make brand new PASGT-style (or other regular cut) helmets?
Ukraine has an artillery usage not seen in decades. High cut leaves your ears and neck/lower had highly vulnerable.
I mean there's a reason why the Germans designed the M1916 the way they did. Striclty speaking about protected area against artillery shrapnel that's still the best you can get.
I never saw the purpose of high cuts in a day and age where you can fit comms/earpro under the ears of modern helmets. Hell, some people in /gq/ have setups where earpro is mounted to the helmet just like the ideal setup with a high cut.
Not only that, but it seems most users wear headsets under the helmet or don't even have earpro at all which is just pointless.
Both sides are taking what they can get and high cuts are the most widely available style on the commercial market. Ukraine probably got a lot of them for free too.
>PASGT
Very few do, and even fewer make polyethylene helmets.
>MICH 2000/ACH/ECH
Half or more of the armor companies out there do.
>>MICH 2000/ACH/ECH
>Half or more of the armor companies out there do.
We need a 1:1 replica of the M1916 made with modern ballistic fibers.
That would be fun, though there might be some issues fitting earpro underneath without some revision.
Also the US used the same methods to determine the optimal design for the PASGT as the Germans did for the M1916. Sometimes you do just get it right the first time. It would be the dumbest shit ever but it's totally believable that we will go through the same song and dance the third fucking time once the high cut meme expires
No OP is just flapping his stupid lips.
Bullshit amigo. High cut helmets have been designed for operator style kinds of warfare. Direkt action and the like because that's what dominated warfare since GWOT started.
Now big war is back in business. We're seeing artillery guns firing hundreds of shells over the span of just a few hours. We're seeing hardcore week-long combat in destroyed cities and towns.
That's warfare where classic full size helmets were made for.
High cuts are made for environments where the worst form of happening is a few mortar rounds and a machine gun peppering your area. Do you think the US would have fielded so many high cuts if the taliban had assaulted them with tanks and tons of arty while the US units had to fight for every building of giant cities?
High cuts are great for doorkicker style stuff but not for environments that resemble Storm Of Steel
The laws of ballistics means that most fragments will be coming down from above. If they're coming at you from below then you're close enough to the explosion that a helmet wouldn't save you anyway.
>If they're coming at you from below then you're close enough to the explosion that a helmet wouldn't save you anyway.
I've watched too many vatniks get pasted in the last 2 years (and better armored individuals survive) to believe this. Plus the design of the PASGT is based on analysis of actual combat injury/fatality statistics whereas your assertion is conjectural.
It's also not uncommon for frag, bullets, and other hazards to impact from the side or other angles that would be protected by a full cut helmet.
>The laws of ballistics means that most fragments will be coming down from above
WRONG!
The way mortar and arty shells work fragments can come in from a broad range of angles from lower than 0 degrees up to 90 degrees (straight from the top)
There's this thing called gravity that makes fragments arc downwards over distance. If the distance is short enough for the fragments to arc upwards then your choice of helmet does not matter.
What about fragments from small stuff like drone grenades?
This moron thinks every fragment with more speed than 9.81m/s^2 will kill you no matter what helmet you're wearing.
Therefore he thinks you only need to protect the very top of the head so high cut shit is good enough even if you're in an area with an artillery density comparable to Stalingrad.
It's true for him at least, there's not much of a brain worth protecting there
>There's this thing called gravity that makes fragments arc downwards over distance. If the distance is short enough for the fragments to arc upwards then your choice of helmet does not matter.
Again: Bullshit amigo. Helmets don't just protect against fragments that are just falling (= gravity being the main force behind them). Even back in WW1 they found this out.
I know, I know, it's very hard for you high speed low drag dudes to accept this. I mean it's been about 20 years of fun for you. But you need to accept the facts: The age of the ballistic skateboard helmet is over.
You can keep on wearing your itsy bitsy tiny helmets for LARPing as le tacticool operator. But real soldiers will start wearing real helmets again because warfare has changed again.
austria did send 10.000 pretty old PASGT (not 100% sure pic rel) helmets to ukraine
https://www.kleinezeitung.at/politik/innenpolitik/6106196/Ukraine_Bundesheer-schickt-alte-Helme-an-Ukraine-und-bekommt-neue
yup, high cuts have always been for retards tbh
They are great when you're doing serious LIC warfare stuff like after the invasion in Iraq or Afghanistan. In that case there are no great risks for your head outside the occasional mortar or RPG round.
But when shit starts flying you obviously want more noggin area to be protected
From this conversation it seems that for everyday joe a high cut would be better. Since for your everyday SHTF hypothetical which most people larp for there’s a lower chance of artillery shelling an urban or rural area.
For an everyday joe civilian? Absolutely. Not so much for your average joe grunt tho
High Cuts are Immortal