The NGSW needs a super high pressure full power cartridge in order to pierce the lvl 3+ ceramic plates most popular among American civilians, the US govt's primary enemy.
M995 is a thing.
Just because the titanium-tipped shit is rare doesn't mean it doesn't exist in that caliber and can pen basically any level 3/3+ and probably most level 4
black tip 30-06 (which is actually put in a .300WM cartridge for NIJ tests) is hardened steel.
M995 is tungsten and it can pen some level 4 plates, though it depends on the velocity (short barrel shit probably wont pen as easily) and how far your target is.
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Interesting. Honestly I think at some point possibly within the next 10 years wearing armor will just be pointless and you will be better of being more mobile instead of trying to defeat insane rounds like that.
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I mean the army-grade body armor IS rated to take a few shots of M995.
ESAPI rev. G+ is rated for 3 shots of M995 but nothing more
XSAPI is similarly rated for 3 shots of M995 (5.56 tungsten AP) but it's also rated for up to 3 shots of M993 (7.62 tungsten AP)
NIJ level 4 is hard to directly compare because the army body armor ratings aren't tested in the same way. But ESAPI is generally thought to be = to or better than NIJ level 4. And I guess XSAPI would be NIJ level 5 if such a level existed.
But yeah I would expect the new 6.8x51mm "Special purpose" round (XM1184) can pen ESAPI and probably XSAPI too.
Probably jams. Adding another pound to an AR often fricks up the benefit of having a lightweight, intermediate-caliber rifle anyways. The difference between an 8lb and a 9lb rifle is pretty striking. Also, double mag pouches are a thing, homosexual.
quad stack mags are shit and always will be, introducing more points of internal jamming will never work as well as fewer friction points in a double stack double feed.
Again, it still worse than double stack double feed.
Quad stack double feed adds two friction points internally that simply don't exist in a double stack double feed.
It's great it's better than some other quad stack mags out there, but they're still statistically more likely to have feed reliability problems compared to a standard double stack double feed mag.
They're probably fine for range play and similar shit, but our military wont touch them, they're simply not as reliable.
Countries that still use the AR after the next couple decades will be seen in hindsight like the armies of WW2 that used bolt-action rifles. Technology is advancing past the point of needing a billion rounds fired per enemy killed.
That's the end result, tbh. >5-10 years of expensive testing >tens of millions of dollars >Actually we're putting the FCW and a suppressor on this new "M4A2" here thanks for the tax dollars tho :^)
15000 guns doesn't even come close to arming the Close Combat Force let alone the active US Army or the reserves. That's a gun you're issuing one of to each fireteam or squad, probably in the marksman role.
>ne of to each fireteam or squad, probably in the marksman role
It's a little under 15,000 next year ALONE, the year after it like doubles, by FY26 I think they'll have delivered all ~110,000 guns.
15000 guns doesn't even come close to arming the Close Combat Force let alone the active US army or the reserves. That's a gun you're issuing one of to each fireteam or squad, probably in the marksman role.
Maybe FY27-28 if they stay at ~25-30k/year and don't ramp up further.
Stop posting this shit fricking lower OP you have made this thread a half dozen times I have seen. The Ar15 does not have a capacity issue. If it did people would have been working on it a lot harder for the last 50 years.
> CMAR project is currently in the options analysis phase, and he expects to enter “the definition phase by the end of 2022,” he told Canadian Army Today in February. “By then, we’ll know if we’re going to do an upgrade or buy a new design.
they don't even know if it'll be an upgrade or a whole new gun yet, and they don't expect to field it until the late 2020s or early 2030s at the earliest even if they go with an upgrade of the existing M4(C7/C8) platform.
Yes Canadian procurement is moronic. Last year they were so close to getting P320's but then Glock sperged out and they have to re-do the entire competition.
why can't they just make it 60 rounds? 53 is such an ugly number. neverminded the fact that it's gonna take up the same room for 2x 30 round mags in the pouch.
What optic is that, and what is that little rectangle looking thing on top? It reminds me of some kind of viewport for the tiny optic wizard to look out of when he’s in there pulling levers and such
>None of the range
>All of the colt homosexualry
No thanks
keep seething nig sauer
>$30 German engineering has entered the chat
The schmeissers are so fricking gay. They literally jam every second round.
The surefire ones are pretty baller though and accomplish the same thing. You're just going to be paying out the fricking nose for the privilege.
I said it before and ill say it again D60> schmeissers> surefire
Nah gen 2 S60 are the bees knees. They're also better than d60s because they can fit in double mag pouches b***h!
The NGSW needs a super high pressure full power cartridge in order to pierce the lvl 3+ ceramic plates most popular among American civilians, the US govt's primary enemy.
this
if they were prepping to fight more goatfrickers they would've stuck with what they have
NGSW can't penetrate body armor you moronic Black folk
Black folk tongue my anus and jet fuel can't melt steel beams
lol wut? modern military 5.56 already pens 3+ plates.
No it fricking doesn't moron. 3+ exists solely to stop green tip 5.56 m193 and 7.62x39
M995 is a thing.
Just because the titanium-tipped shit is rare doesn't mean it doesn't exist in that caliber and can pen basically any level 3/3+ and probably most level 4
It absolutely cannot pen lvl4 moron
lvl 4 can stop multiple hits of black tip 30-06
black tip 30-06 (which is actually put in a .300WM cartridge for NIJ tests) is hardened steel.
M995 is tungsten and it can pen some level 4 plates, though it depends on the velocity (short barrel shit probably wont pen as easily) and how far your target is.
Interesting. Honestly I think at some point possibly within the next 10 years wearing armor will just be pointless and you will be better of being more mobile instead of trying to defeat insane rounds like that.
I mean the army-grade body armor IS rated to take a few shots of M995.
ESAPI rev. G+ is rated for 3 shots of M995 but nothing more
XSAPI is similarly rated for 3 shots of M995 (5.56 tungsten AP) but it's also rated for up to 3 shots of M993 (7.62 tungsten AP)
NIJ level 4 is hard to directly compare because the army body armor ratings aren't tested in the same way. But ESAPI is generally thought to be = to or better than NIJ level 4. And I guess XSAPI would be NIJ level 5 if such a level existed.
But yeah I would expect the new 6.8x51mm "Special purpose" round (XM1184) can pen ESAPI and probably XSAPI too.
Probably jams. Adding another pound to an AR often fricks up the benefit of having a lightweight, intermediate-caliber rifle anyways. The difference between an 8lb and a 9lb rifle is pretty striking. Also, double mag pouches are a thing, homosexual.
Sorry but I’m a hide speed low drag kind of oper8tor, those stick our top for on my Ferro slickster and GBRS belt.
>tries to false flag
>doesn't realize the meta in sk8er8r communities is a micro chest rig on its own
It's almost perfect but drop in a HSS selector.
quad stack mags are shit and always will be, introducing more points of internal jamming will never work as well as fewer friction points in a double stack double feed.
These quads use improved geometry.
Again, it still worse than double stack double feed.
Quad stack double feed adds two friction points internally that simply don't exist in a double stack double feed.
It's great it's better than some other quad stack mags out there, but they're still statistically more likely to have feed reliability problems compared to a standard double stack double feed mag.
They're probably fine for range play and similar shit, but our military wont touch them, they're simply not as reliable.
Countries that still use the AR after the next couple decades will be seen in hindsight like the armies of WW2 that used bolt-action rifles. Technology is advancing past the point of needing a billion rounds fired per enemy killed.
The US is not dropping the AR, the XM5 will be a DMR
I called it since the start
That's the end result, tbh.
>5-10 years of expensive testing
>tens of millions of dollars
>Actually we're putting the FCW and a suppressor on this new "M4A2" here thanks for the tax dollars tho :^)
they're buying like 15,000 guns this year, so unless they very quickly stop this program, you're getting the M5.
Yeah
They bought ~1400 total SCARs across 2 different variants.
The army is buying over 14,000 M5's in FY23 and another 20-30,000 the year after.
Not even close to the same scale as the SCAR.
15000 guns doesn't even come close to arming the Close Combat Force let alone the active US Army or the reserves. That's a gun you're issuing one of to each fireteam or squad, probably in the marksman role.
>ne of to each fireteam or squad, probably in the marksman role
It's a little under 15,000 next year ALONE, the year after it like doubles, by FY26 I think they'll have delivered all ~110,000 guns.
Maybe FY27-28 if they stay at ~25-30k/year and don't ramp up further.
That's not what happened though
The fact that OP omitted a suppressor shows how little he actually knows about NGSW.
Stop posting this shit fricking lower OP you have made this thread a half dozen times I have seen. The Ar15 does not have a capacity issue. If it did people would have been working on it a lot harder for the last 50 years.
Canada is making a cool new rifle.
> CMAR project is currently in the options analysis phase, and he expects to enter “the definition phase by the end of 2022,” he told Canadian Army Today in February. “By then, we’ll know if we’re going to do an upgrade or buy a new design.
they don't even know if it'll be an upgrade or a whole new gun yet, and they don't expect to field it until the late 2020s or early 2030s at the earliest even if they go with an upgrade of the existing M4(C7/C8) platform.
Yes Canadian procurement is moronic. Last year they were so close to getting P320's but then Glock sperged out and they have to re-do the entire competition.
That looks cool
Post more pics
Colt Canada is the only good thing Canada ever produced
why can't they just make it 60 rounds? 53 is such an ugly number. neverminded the fact that it's gonna take up the same room for 2x 30 round mags in the pouch.
What optic is that, and what is that little rectangle looking thing on top? It reminds me of some kind of viewport for the tiny optic wizard to look out of when he’s in there pulling levers and such
It’s a rangefinder / IR laser / computer
>Shorter magazine, MORE MOBILITY
It's a negligble change you weirdos.. jesus.