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thoughts on the viability of 50's Tanks?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia brought out tanks from the 60’s and conquered Soledar. Bringing our older equipment = more success.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except there no evidence whatsoever that the Russians effectively used tanks there or anywhere else in the country.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thoughts on the viability of 50's Tanks?
    Heavily modernized. Their purpose is to free up better tanks from quiet sectors.
    >Right now there is Ukrainian armor and crews sitting around Kiev and Kharkov and Kherson staring at empty fields

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >staring at empty fields
      It’s called being in reserve
      You see first world armies tend to hold armoured forces in the rear so that when breakthrough opportunities present themselves they can be quickly marshalled into exploitation actions.
      Third world militaries like puccia seem to have a different mindset…

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATObros, we have ran out of T72s to give Ukraine. I think its time we accept defeat.
    >or just start spamming endless amounts of western tanks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If scholz stops being a gay, at least.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there are hundreds of Leopard 2 in NATO countries that aren't Germany, but nobody has requested German permission to deliver them yet
        it's just the usual screeching at Germany while Germany already is one of the main donors to Ukraine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong. Germany refused to allow Spain to send Leopard 2A4s to Ukraine. And they've also vetoed several other proposed hardware shipments from third party countries.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany refused to allow Spain to send Leopard 2A4s to Ukraine.
            fake news, the tanks were in too bad condition to be delivered, Spain never made a formal request.
            >And they've also vetoed several other proposed hardware shipments from third party countries.
            also fake news, that was before February 24th

            keep on lying

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Holy shit how much do they pay you to shill for the GIDF, you guys are on it 24/7...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >spread fake news
                >get called out
                >screech
                have a nice day

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modernized and uses standard 105mm NATO ammo. Lighter tanks like this can still be very useful for direct fire support if used with proper combined arms tactics, which Ukraine has repeatedly proven it can do and is continuously improving upon.

    The reason the T-62s that the Russians are digging out of the rust heap are bad is because they aren't properly modernized and the Russians are too stupid to use them in a tactically correct way.

    Like if Greece or other countries gave Ukraine a bunch of upgraded Leopard 1s, M60s, and M48s, those would still be very useful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >M60 and M48s
      Yeesh, i dont know about those anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're perfectly capable of providing direct fire, and the ones actually in use have heavily modernized targeting systems and sensors. You're not going to send it in against MBTs, but that's not the only thing tanks are used for.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >big gun that can move around
          Pretty sure the old soviet doctrine was to have tanks attached to infantry brigades to do just that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And yet they aren't doing that at all. They send tanks out on their own or in pairs, with no infantry screens or mechanized support, and get wiped out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Greece are the biggest garden gnomes in this conflict, and yes, even bigger then Ukraine itself.
      Sure, Ukraine's been asking for gibs left and right, but they don't look at gifted horse in the mouth. Greeks meanwhile have always tried to 1:1 their outdated Soviet crap for much superior shit in return (and krauts of course bit the bullet with the Marders for BMP-1's deal). At that rate the greeks would probably ask 2A7+'s in exchange for Leo 1's

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are these gimped out T-55 variants actually worse than the T-72s Russia is fielding now? Wasn't there a thread a couple days ago about a train full of base model T-72s on their way to the front without any ERA or visible upgrades?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't there some law that said NATO members can't operate warsaw pact shit or was that from a movie somewhere?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it is a law, nobody follows it, euro NATO countries all have russian shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not a law, they have standardization agreements. STANAGs.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >T-55s pimped out with better guns and modern optics/thermals vs base model T-72s
    I know which one i'd rather be in

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't have thermals, just a night vision intensifier

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >M-55S - T-55 modernization developed by the STO RAVNE company and engineers of the Israeli company Elbit. Slovenia modernized 30 T-55 tanks in the inventory of its armed forces. The last T-55 was modernized to the M-55S standard in May 1999. The original 100mm tank gun was replaced by the NATO-standard 105mm one with a thermal sleeve. The armour protection of the tank was improved considerably by attaching Rafael ERA blocks to the hull and the turret. A digital ballistic computer was installed in order to improve the fire control system (FCS). The gunner has the Fotona SGS-55 two-axis stabilized day-and-night sight with an integral laser rangefinder. In addition to the integral optic sight the commander has the Fotona COMTOS-55 sight with an independent line-of-sight stabilization, which allows him to acquire targets and lay the gun independently if required. The driver has the Fotona CODRIS combined day/night observation periscope. The LIRD-1A laser illumination warning receiver was mated with front-mounted IS-6 smoke grenade launchers (of which there are six in two clusters, one per side of the turret) and can be automatically activated in an emergency. Modernization of the V-12 diesel engine resulted in an increase in power from 520hp to 600hp. The running gear has rubber side skirts and the tank was outfitted with new rubber and metal tracks. Improvements were also made to the communications aids.[42] In October 2022, Slovenia gave 28 M-55S to Ukraine; Germany provides 40 transport vehicles to Slovenia, as Prime Minister Robert Golob and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz arranged some weeks ago. The vehicles will also serve for protection and rescue.[184]
    can use the same munition as the French AMX-10 RC that will be delivered too btw

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just give them Shermans already, then Russians can deploy their T-34s and we can finally settle the issue of who's tank is better.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia fields T-62Ms
    >"Ha retards have run out of tanks, absolutely useless!"
    >Ukraine gets sent T-55s "super upgraded" with gen 1 ERA, a gun from the 1950s and thermals of an indeterminate age
    >"Ackshually that's really smart to use these old tanks, literally no reason not to use them if you have them"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is the attacker and should be better prepared

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and thermals of an indeterminate age
      It doesn't have thermals.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought the thermals was the reason this M-55S is supposed to be better than Russia's T-72s that generally does not have thermals outside of a few modern modifications.

        If it's not an improvement in terms of optics, and it's armed with a gun the first models of T-72 were designed to defeat, let alone the T-72B with improved armour and Kontakt-5, then really what is the M-55S actually offering over a T-62M?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A storage tank maintained by almost germanics as opposed to a "storage" tank "maintained" by a russian... if you were lucky

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Almost germanics
            Thanks Goebbels.
            >Stored by Russians
            T-62Ms were in the process of being renovated to be handed over to Syria before this war broke out, it's a happy coincidence that T-62Ms were already being made operational. If they weren't doing that, they likely wouldn't have bothered pulling them out of storage when they've got a lot of T-80s in storage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sir i do not redeem because One of those nations is a supposed regional power and the other is a poor nation on the defense that takes what it can get

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is ukraine the second army of the world?

        beggars can't be choosers. outdated AFVs are better than no AFVs.

        So really it's not an operational critique of fielding T-62Ms, the logic matches that of bothering to field T-55s (that is, if you have them you might as well use them), but rather this is a criticism of aesthetics? Russia shouldn't have used the T-62Ms because they're the "2nd army of the world" (although no one comes anywhere close to the expenditure of the 1st army of the world) and they're a regional power in a region of the world that's hardly rich compared to North America or Western Europe.

        Russia should therefore be like the US Military, they should fight exclusively in T-14 Armatas, that's the latest and greatest and they should have a trillion dollar budget every year for the military to pay for them. They're literally retards to have spent any less than the US on war in peacetime.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is ukraine the second army of the world?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah apparently, if they're beating the army everyone on PrepHole calls the 2nd best in the world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      beggars can't be choosers. outdated AFVs are better than no AFVs.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >September 22
    >HATO IS OUT OF TANKS RUSSIA WILL WIN SOON!!!!!

    >December
    >Czechs just sent another 100 T-72s

    Nato is not "Running out of tanks"

    Ukraine's been using these tanks for like 2 months now fine.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hegellian T-55's are fucking awesome and are already deployed since a while back. I want a third pill.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Septmeber 22nd
    Why are you posting three months old news?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    L7 Gun from the Brits and Israeli 90s ERA. No thermals tho but it does have night vision.

    The T-55 wasn't even very heavy so this thing should he pretty mobile

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