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Hello /k/, maybe some of you remember my thread a few weeks ago, where I, a cucknadian seeking advice on owning the Lee Enfield Mk III as my first gun

Well I decided against that because apparently they are LOUD and ofcourse, most Mk III and even MK IV are in pretty rough shape seeing as their 80-100+ years old now.

I decided that my first gun should be GOOD QUALITY (to train accuracy), not so loud/less recoil and cheap to shoot.

My research brought me to the CZ 457 .22 LR... seems logical no? I heard that they are discontinued and I'm planning to save my pennies and buy the first one next winter. Hopefully the price doesn't skyrocket? Also they look good

The eventual goal is deer hunting so maybe I can get a .303 rifle for that down the line but thats too far ahead to decide now.

Another question.. if I'm left handed but right eye dominant, should I learn to shoot right handed+right eyed?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >loud
    It's a gun. .22 will save you some money on target practice but if the end goal is deer hunting you've now added an additional $500 on top of your purchase and you're not even able to hunt them yet.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but the ammo is so cheap.. idk in canada it seems like the only cheap ammo is .22 LR everything else is like $4 a pop.

      i read that .22lr is a better way to learn to shoot because because they are easier to control, cheaper ammo, when you're ready you can move up to a bigger calibre. does that make sense?

      money isn't that much of a problem.. I figure you buy a gun like the CZ or pic related and you have a .22LR for life.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh if money isn't a problem then yeah, secure your kids first blaster while you're at it. Just that there is a world of difference between .22 and .30 cal. While years of .22 shooting will teach you the basics of sight picture, trigger control, proper breathing etc. You basically start over from scratch moving to full power.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          good to know.

          do new gun owners ever just start with .30 cal? I guess its up to personal preference?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Personal preference. Most of the time it's an inheritance situation/growing up shooting but the few newguns I've known started off with a bolt gun for durr then realized real quick the advantages of .22. Worst is the guys some dipshit convinced to buy .300wm as their first gun to hunt 150lb whitetail.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Every gun is loud to a certain degree but with proper ear protection its not that bad just use earplugs and earmuffs together. A 22lr rifle is good and if money a problem you can look at used gun rack just be sure to inspect it well for any extreme wear or rust.

            My first gun was a Mosin nagant and after awhile I learned to stop flinching but all my friends either bought a shotgun or AR-15 for there first guns.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if loud is a concern you probably shouldn't be shooting at all. earpro is like fourty bucks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i think i put too much emphasis on loud as a problem, I meant overpowered for a newbie who's never shot a gun

      Personal preference. Most of the time it's an inheritance situation/growing up shooting but the few newguns I've known started off with a bolt gun for durr then realized real quick the advantages of .22. Worst is the guys some dipshit convinced to buy .300wm as their first gun to hunt 150lb whitetail.

      i dont know exactly what you're saying (googled winchester magnum) but I guess you're saying noobs can't really handle big guns as their first gun?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no. typically itsw all how a newgun is taught. No guns recoil isnt manageable with proper technique and teaching. When you hear those stories of people saying "dont start shooting this gun cause when my buddy handed to me it blew my shoulder out" usually meant the buddy didnt teach them proper handling.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well i think all that just confirms that I should start with a .22L

          i dont have anyone to really teach me anything (I'll take the necessary training courses but that can only do so much) and id rather not depend on angry boomers at the range to show me stuff... i tried that in sailing and it does not work

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats a fair way to approach it especially if you cant count on anyone off the bat teaching you good shooting handling. Work your way up from .22 but you can go from .22 to a 30cal and calibers around that easily enough.
            Find a good course taught by respectable folk if you want to when you do get a CZ or Enfield or whatever you eventually land on.
            You'll pick up pretty quick and realize recoil isn't that bad, especially out of a full size rifle.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Get a savage A22, you wont want a bolt as a first gun. The A22 also has 25rd mags available.
              For an optic, a cheap scope or red dot such as a simmons or sig/holosun respectively
              Buy a few different types of ammo and seen what gets the best groups in your gun
              Dunno what province you are but here in southern ontario its only bench shooting. Bench shooting is good to test your gun and get comfortable with it.
              For deer hunting a lot of guns will do the job, but i never been deer hunting so I cant say. If you want to know what I have, I bought an 1896 swedish mauser. It scratches my milsurp itch and while it is ungainly by modern standards, it fires 6.5x55 and has iron sights and I can shoot a reasonable group at 100m while supported. I also have a type 81 and an sks which both have irons too. Albiet the type 81 irons are kinda garbo for precision shooting.

              Erm im not saying buy a milsurp for deer shooting, thats kinda stupid. Just buy a modern deer gun, almost every bolt action made by major manufacturers are good. If you dont want a bolt gun, you can get a lever gun, however the ammo is a bit pricy here even for .30-30. If you are an absolute israelite on money its best to buy a used savage bolt action. For scopes well I never been deer hunting but I always prefer a modern scope that has a BDC in the reticle.

              op here, been lurking and apparnetly canada is FLOODED with chinese SKS and they are apparently good guns, maybe that'd be my second gun. there's apparently 200k sks owners in canada and even the liberals are too scared to ban it because thats 200k votes. what do you think of the Chinese SKS? ammmo doesn't seem too bad either.. i am in southern ontario too.

              and yeah I saw that the local ranges all have max distances of 200 yards.. that seems disappointingly low for having fun learning marksmanship.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Years back I went from shooting .22lr from a manual action rifle straight to an SKS and an AR in a couple range trips which was a lot nicer than going from .22LR to .30-06, .30-30, or 12ga or something like that. Whether you get a semi auto like a 10/22 or a bolt action .22LR it'll be fun to shoot and a good way to learn shooting while not spending $$$$ learning to make your groups look more like groups and not like some guy shot a box of buckshot at the target. The SKS shoots very smoothly for lack of better description and it has rather light recoil. Love mine. Just wish ammo weren't so fricked for it in the US. I think Canadians can still get Chinese ammo at a decent price so consider yourselves lucky. IDK if you guys still get like new/refurb SKS imports but I think Canada was until pretty recently if they aren't still.

                IMO you should get a .22 of some kind (I like my 10/22 but I know you guys have some silly mag capacity laws) and then an SKS. Not a great rifle to try and put a scope on if want a scope but other than that it's a nice rifle no matter what it looks like on the outside; mine's pretty much silver and it's still accurate and reliable lol.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I started with 5.56mm when I was 15, .22 is so easy to shoot it gets boring and you can get bad habits that are amplified with bigger cartridges

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a savage A22, you wont want a bolt as a first gun. The A22 also has 25rd mags available.
    For an optic, a cheap scope or red dot such as a simmons or sig/holosun respectively
    Buy a few different types of ammo and seen what gets the best groups in your gun
    Dunno what province you are but here in southern ontario its only bench shooting. Bench shooting is good to test your gun and get comfortable with it.
    For deer hunting a lot of guns will do the job, but i never been deer hunting so I cant say. If you want to know what I have, I bought an 1896 swedish mauser. It scratches my milsurp itch and while it is ungainly by modern standards, it fires 6.5x55 and has iron sights and I can shoot a reasonable group at 100m while supported. I also have a type 81 and an sks which both have irons too. Albiet the type 81 irons are kinda garbo for precision shooting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Erm im not saying buy a milsurp for deer shooting, thats kinda stupid. Just buy a modern deer gun, almost every bolt action made by major manufacturers are good. If you dont want a bolt gun, you can get a lever gun, however the ammo is a bit pricy here even for .30-30. If you are an absolute israelite on money its best to buy a used savage bolt action. For scopes well I never been deer hunting but I always prefer a modern scope that has a BDC in the reticle.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. Get a Savage 110 in .308. .22 is cheap but the learning stage required to get to the level to hunt deer is so short the .22 is a waste of time unless you want to start on squirrels. The 110 series has the adjustable trigger, stock, and comb system so you can get a remarkably good fit for the price. Throw a vortex scope on top and you have imo the ideal budget hunting rifle.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Next winter
    Are you waiting for your PAL? No reason not to go get a gun now. Even just having a .22lr autoloader at home would be good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes i need to get my PAL. I've got a project ill be incredibly busy with this summer so thats why i say next winter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        L. Im pretty sure most courses are filled up until fall. By the time you actually get your pal at this rate, it will be NEXT spring.

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        op here, been lurking and apparnetly canada is FLOODED with chinese SKS and they are apparently good guns, maybe that'd be my second gun. there's apparently 200k sks owners in canada and even the liberals are too scared to ban it because thats 200k votes. what do you think of the Chinese SKS? ammmo doesn't seem too bad either.. i am in southern ontario too.

        and yeah I saw that the local ranges all have max distances of 200 yards.. that seems disappointingly low for having fun learning marksmanship.

        If you're buying an SKS make sure you see pictures of it, preferably hold it in person, before you decide to buy it. The prices will be even worse by the time you get your pal so good luck bub. The liberals don't give a shit about votes or whatever else, a gun ban will go through *if* it goes through and thats that really. If you think voting Con will magically fix everything, Erm.. It won't really.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah shit. i just looked and frick it. I put myself on a waitlist for a course in september.

          Thanks anon(s) time for sleep

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i didn't realize it took so long for the gov to give out the licenses after the course. FRICK. thanks, ill submit it ASAP.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i didn't realize it took so long for the gov to give out the licenses after the course
            It depends on the province. If you're in Quebec they'll probably make you wait a year just to piss you off. If you're in the prairie provinces it'll probably take a month-ish

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Another question.. if I'm left handed but right eye dominant, should I learn to shoot right handed+right eyed?
    Absolutely. I'm the inverse of you. It's not hard to learn how to shoot with your other hand.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hellow newfren, try asking here.

    [...]

    Also cool it with the reddit spacing, you stand out WAY to much.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ive been on PrepHole almost since it was opened. go look up old screencaps of PrepHole

      "reddit spacing" is actually an oldgay thing

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TL;DR, get a Tikka/Sako and Spuhr rings for your optic or just get a model with iron's if you don't need/want a scope.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >My research brought me to the CZ 457 .22 LR... seems logical no?
    good choice, enjoy check gunblue490s shooting course on you youtube

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if I'm left handed but right eye dominant, should I learn to shoot right handed+right eyed?
    as a fellow wronghand, i say yeah unless it makes your head hurt. Shooting lefthanded is a pain in the ass and i switched to right some time ago. After some practice it feel natural, at least for me.

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