Heavy Tanks

As penetration technology improves, could we see a resurgence of the heavy tank concept to adjust?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We already have tanks that is reaching 70 tons and with bigger, longer guns compared to older tanks

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >bigger guns
      Modern tank cannons are weaker than us M58 or soviet M62 used in heavy tanks. We have to wait for next generation tanks (130,140,152mm)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        no they aren't. they have like 2x the velocity while being marginally smaller.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          yes they are. they have like 2x the mass while being marginally slower.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            1000 vs 1700 m/s is a lot slower.
            Twice the mass doesn't make up for the lack of speed.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              no, that is too fast

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >they have like 2x the velocity

          Have you seen an 120mm M58 tank gun and it's shell?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bigger shells are slower Anon

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Smaller shells are weaker Anon

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Your T29 is as heavy as Abrams Sep3.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    EFPs from 30 years ago could punch through a meter of RHA
    adding more armor is useless at this point

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >As penetration technology improves
    this is the reason we dont have heavy tanks

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the Monroe effect.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    An increase in penetration might paradoxically lead to lighter tanks

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    OP didst thou mean arour technology improving?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    MBTs are already heavy tanks.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      72 mahmia was the first modern heavy tank

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's possible. Though in the modern case, it'd be less about adding more and more armor and instead it'd be adding more and more sophisticated APS and light SHORAD for taking out drones. It would still result in a very heavy vehicle though.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No. Active protection systems will get better. Tanks will get lighter.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would think the lighter tanks start making a more effective/economic sense
    >better reactives over composite armour
    >higher power-weight ratios, lower ground pressure
    >anti-mine protection
    >much big-think about ammo storage
    >improved visual and spatial awareness
    There is still a need for direct fire support and some armour on the battlefield, but there might be some rethinks about how that is allocated over places like the engine decks, its thermal signature and much less focus on the heavier guns when ATGM's are getting better and more reliable with a very long range. Keep something in there like a large autocannon as well as a heavy machinegun.

    Provided you avoid going full moron like 'air drop capable' and 'amphibious' you can probably fit quite a lot into 30-40t of vehicle without compromising too much

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    current tanks are result of armouring only front sufficiently - hence long and narrow - future tanks will be more resilient to side and top top attacks - and that will probably mean some interesting designs after century of "tank is a tank" meta

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Tanks are already a mobility nightmare, they are a b***h to move around, many bridges can't carry the weight, they get stuck fairly easily. They'd be improved by making them lighter, not heavier.

    >but but super high tech armor
    ain't shit compared to an EFP.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      APS is the logical next step. I can envision next-gen tanks giving up on anti-APFSDS armor in exchange for better all-around armor because fewer tanks will reach APFSDS combat anyway.

      EFPs ain't shit compared to basic HEAT. They have pen of about 50% to 1x their diameter compared to 10-12x diameter for a first world HEAT charge. EFP is basically only for hitting lightly armored vehicles or trying to shoot from outside APS range.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No. Look at warships. Armor was abandoned in favor of speed, stealth, sensors and long range missilles. This is where tanks are going. Near future tanks would be Bradley-like.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Modern warheads have utterly overmatched armor in addition to top-attack delivery having completely junked the armored fighting vehicle as a concept, not even talking about mines mass air-released mines. It’s unironically over.

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