Having watched a lot of police shootout bodycam footage I can with full confidence say that the heel type magazine release should be the standard for ...

Having watched a lot of police shootout bodycam footage I can with full confidence say that the heel type magazine release should be the standard for most service pistols.

The detriment of the additional second it takes to swap mags is heavily outweighed by the detriment of magazines being dropped left right and center in actual stressful shootout situations. Think about it, magazines often drop at the worst possible time, right when you are trying to return fire, gripping the gun tightly because your life depends on it and accidentally depressing the magazine release, whereas reloading can be done in cover. Carrying lots of extra mags also seems advisable as it seems that half of those will be dropped to the ground when fumbling with reloads.

>just train more
If that were a feasible option don't you think it would have already happened? There's a budget to consider and covering for human inadequacy with technological design is a tale as old as time.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    paddle mag release exists but gay retard boomers told walther "HAY CAN I GIT A BUTTON MAG RELEASE INSTEAD" with the PPQ

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thankfully the USP never got fucked over by a button mag release

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Truly a bloody sin. Walthers have a good reputation, but not offering the paddle on their newest sexiness has closed my wallet to them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Walther
        >Good reputation
        I dont know many people who think this airsoft company has a good rep

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Walthers are the most cloned handguns ever made, even more than beretta.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you must not know anyone that's into competition shooting
          my old boss who was a previous National USPSA champ says great things about q5 match despite shooting mostly atlas and cz pistols

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I rarely see mags dropped in shooting cams, I see more often the slide jams and has to be racked, or an officer fumbling with the re rack on subsequent mags.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It happens super often. Gotta friend who is local PD he goes over every shooting he can it is insanely common having watched dozens of these videos with him and he says he has watched hundreds and it is consistent. We watched one where a cop went through all 4 mags because he ejected 3 of them prematurely. The Vp9 would fix all these issues

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah ive watched shitloads of these also and only maybe two videos did i see the guy ejecting accidentally, although both times it happened repeatedly

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are garbage and aren't used for a reason.
    Also more likely to drop a mag under recoil.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally post an account of this happening even once.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really that uncommon for people who they get shot in a shootout, it's usually their support hand. Fuck trying to do motor skills like that under stress. You're a gay.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not really that uncommon for people who they get shot in a shootout, it's usually their support hand. Fuck trying to do motor skills like that under stress. You're a gay.
      This sentence is utterly incoherent

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one is forcing you to ditch heel releases. There are actually dozens of models and improvements in bullet technology can carry older less effective rounds.
    You just wanna bitch because you are mentally a woman.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No modern high capacity 9mm handgun has heel release so yes I would say that """someone""" is forcing me ditch heel releases you fucking retard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder why they don't....
        It could be because heel releases are shit, and no consumers want them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and consumers are shit eating retards who want to emulate their favorite keanu reeves or call of duty or whatever with super fast tactical pistol reloads and end up fucking themselves in the ass by accidentally dropping the magazine from their bedside gun when confronting an assailant breaking and entering.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or you know consumers are military and leo. Do you think HK gives a fuck what Bubba wanted when they made the mk23

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you think HK gives a fuck what Bubba wanted when they made the mk23
              They cared about the wishes of the equally retarded but better funded SOCOM and ended up with an absolutely retarded pistol that nobody other than larpers and video game characters uses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's okay to admit you just suck anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >absolutely retarded pistol
                arguably the best combat pistol of all time
                >only larpers use it
                this point is spot on, as far as k fags go there is way better pistols for the money

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bullet improvement can carry older rounds
        I like how you ignore that part. You also seems unwilling to hand load rounds for an older weapon so once again who is forcing you?
        Lots of these seem like an iss-YOU not an iss-US

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Or ya know paddle mag release retard like on German handguns from H&k and Walther.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you've never tried to carry a pistol with a heel release. nothing quite as exciting as hearing your magazine eject onto the floor on its feed lips because the heel release bumped something as you sat down.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wut?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has there been any documented cases of a paddle mag being hit in a stressful situation like a button mag?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beretta had the right idea.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      truths

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm fucking amazed at how few people actually realize this. I don't want the button that makes my gun effectively useless to be right underneath where my fucking thumb indexes.
    >but your thumb should never be anywhere but there if you have a proper grip and train and-
    No, shut the fuck up. Shit happens to everyone and when it comes to guns "shit happening" is something that I want to avoid at all costs. Heel or paddle release solves a real issue and no amount of mall ninja mental gymnastics will change my mind.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Never dicked around with a heel release but paddles seem to me like the best compromise, still very easy to quickly reload with practice but very difficult to accidentally release. With modern handgun capacities I think caring about reload speed at all is pure mall ninja shit though, unless you’re a police officer getting into extended shootouts or something

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unless you’re a police officer getting into extended shootouts or something
        I question how much of a difference it even makes here. I think the real places it makes a difference are just shooting competitions and video games. I'm aware of a couple cases where a police officer was killed when reloading (the Newhall incident and the death of Scott Gadell in 1986), but they both involved the officer reloading a revolver with loose ammunition which will take many times longer than any other option, and both cases lead to the respective departments beginning to issue speed loaders.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think this may be the most retarded thread here. Heel release is shit and doesn't work in the modern world. Paddle release is shit too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't work in the modern world.
      That's weird, the cosmic event that made every single heel release inoperable after 1990 didn't effect any of my guns. Tough luck, anon.

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