its heat charge, you need to aim it properly
in real attack video above its aimed at gap under merk bustle rack
in training video below its facing away from merk ammo storage
how would setting it on a tank and firing another rocket at it do anything at all? wouldn't make the fired rocket less effective? Isn't there a safety on these? would it actually set off if impacted by a rocket? I am just failing to understand the entire concept, It just looks like they basically wasted a rocket
no shit asshole, but he still fired another rocket at it. Get off the goddamn internet and go outside, calling people retards for no good reason is indicative of a mental illness
These look like butchered rpg tandem warheads with the impact Fuze replaced with a grenade fuse. Long pole is the standoff, which is why he called you a retard.
Retard here, but if it's just sitting there with nothing holding it, wouldn't the jet accelerate the charge backwards and greatly diminish the weapons penetrating power?
The charge detonates so fast and in all directions it's still going to launch and deform the copper cone
also that image is wrong but it's the same principle
>-t. jidf squid ink
what are you seething about, retard?
its either what I said or even worse and facing away from merk completely in actual real combat video
Depends on if the shovel grip part forms the tube that was the shaped charge warhead or the fuze end. Either could be the case, the fuze at the nose is the standard config but that requires routing cables to the rear as the charge must be detonated from the back, they may have instead preferred to omit this in manufacturing to simplify things. They could, however, be using standard charges and just have made the nose cap removable, with the shovel grip being screwed onto where the propellant is usually screwed on. I'm leaning towards it being angled wrong in use though. If you look at PG-7VR charges the initial charge is set at the very end of the nose for good reason. A charge like this is either not a tandem charge or is poorly designed since the initial charge would be too close to the primary charge and damage it. Given they copied the PG-7VR and likely have Iranian support making such a poorly designed charge seems unlikely to me.
Can somebody explain the shaped charge to me? I get it’s a hollow cone that forces a plasma jet into a pinpoint followed by a slug. How does the hollow cone force it into a pinpoint though? Does the tip of the cone take the brunt of the explosion, melting it and create a path of least resistance?
Cone with explosive around it. Explosion hits the tip of the cone first and pushes it in. As the blast moves down the cone it pushes it inside out like a sock. Final shape is a very thin cone (closer to a lance) moving at Mach fuck.
Not a plasma, it's a superplastic jet. The cone is forced together by the explosives and its liner material gets squirted out, think squeezing your hands around some gel, it has nowhere to go except out through the gaps, in this case it's forward, and a stream of it gets squeezed out at very high velocity. This then kinetically defeats the armor.
Imagine a sphere of force exploding uniformly in all directions. Now imagine a long thin cone with the opening on the surface of the sphere and the base at the center.
How do you think the expanding force will act on the cone?
The side forces will squeeze it shut and the rest will squirt it out of the ball. The vectors will add up to go fast enough to enter the hydrodynamic regime. Imagine an asteroid splattering on a planet. Both are solid, but for daily-life purposes you can model them like a liquid.
the rear of their mock merkava looks to be on a door hinge with a knob/handle on the right. the orientation of the round in the demonstration video was probably just the only way they could keep it propped up.
the actual merkava has an access hatch that swings down. the demonstration clip isn't an actual piece of instruction, just a piece of propaganda. if accuracy mattered at all, they wouldn't have a fake merkava touted as real "captured" hardware in the first place.
Multi-billion dollar military consistently outclassed by urban guerrillas using things made out of scrap metal and fertilizer.
Did you know how much each iron dome missile costs? at least 100,000. Each time they fire one of those scrap rockets made virtually for free by a guy in a tunnel somewhere 100,000 dollars of american money are launched to keep it from potentially hitting an israeli's car. That's just if you only count the actual cost of the missiles too, the battery and personnel are additional costs. How long would it take you to work for 100,000 dollars? how much american labor goes into the tax money for every single one of those?
>Did you know how much each iron dome missile costs? at least 100,000
See here, this is the reason why all these third world countries are such shitholes, this retard is literally mocking a system designed to prevent civilians from dying.
Most tax revenue does not come from labor or the working class.
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Everyone point and laugh at the economically illiterate brown poorfag. $100k is .03 cents per American citizen. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you value human life so little, considering how worthless your own lives are and how quickly and retardedly you throw them away.
I now realize the only economical solution is for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza. And as an American taxpayer, this would mean more money in my pocket.
Wait, so it's true that each iron dome missile costs 100 thousand? I thought it was a palestinian cope so I didn't even bother to check if it was true, israelites are so lucky to have american paypigs ready to bankroll them lmao
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pay up goyim, another bottle rocket was just launched at your overlords. That'll be another million dollars more printed this year.
Everyone point and laugh at the economically illiterate brown poorfag. $100k is .03 cents per American citizen. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you value human life so little, considering how worthless your own lives are and how quickly and retardedly you throw them away.
I now realize the only economical solution is for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza. And as an American taxpayer, this would mean more money in my pocket.
It's funny, Palestinians don't seem to understand that the iron dome is really protecting THEM.
Without the iron dome, the thousands of rockets fired by hamas would have radicalized the Israel into a truly genocidal fervor. And no, 10k bombs == 9k civilian casualties is not a genocide. It's restraint.
The US dropped 1.5k tons of bombs on Tokyo during the largest single air raid, killing 100k civilians. At 250kg a bomb, that's about 6000 bombs, 20 dead per bomb.
Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Cope all you want, Israel is still fighting with one hand behind its back.
>Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Which is about the same number of civilians as Russia has killed since February 2022. In a single month. Literally sub-Russian tier brutality.
The US dropped 1.5k tons of bombs on Tokyo during the largest single air raid, killing 100k civilians. At 250kg a bomb, that's about 6000 bombs, 20 dead per bomb.
Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Cope all you want, Israel is still fighting with one hand behind its back.
For [citations] have two, the latter directly from the Ukrainian government up until August this year.
https://archive .ph/dwya6
https://archive .ph/qBHYp
What a stupid comparison. You guys really aren't the high IQ super-minds you claim to be huh? also
>Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Which is about the same number of civilians as Russia has killed since February 2022. In a single month. Literally sub-Russian tier brutality.
And you don’t seem to understand that they are already facing a genocide anyway, a slow encroaching death until there’s no palestine anymore. Just like what happened to the american natives, except the israelites won’t even let the last piece of overcrowded reservation survive.
They had their chance when the British tried to give them all the major pop centers in the 40s. But they decided they'd rather try and genocide the israelites and lost.
>Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Which is about the same number of civilians as Russia has killed since February 2022. In a single month. Literally sub-Russian tier brutality.
The war in Russia isn't comparable, because the Ukrainian forces are actually trying to defend their civilians, whereas Hamas uses them as shields. Knowing that, 1 civilian collateral per bomb is surgical.
There has never ever been a Palestine as a separate country.
The closest they got was the two state solution that ended up with the arabs chimping out instead of accepting it.
Before that it was a part of a much larger British protectorate, before that the ottoman empire and so on right back to the age of the Romans.
If you want to talk history the israelites were previously called Palestinian israelites with the Palestine/Israeli split a creation of the 50s. So the two state solution was itself a pretty artificial construct.
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Wait, so it's true that each iron dome missile costs 100 thousand? I thought it was a palestinian cope so I didn't even bother to check if it was true, israelites are so lucky to have american paypigs ready to bankroll them lmao
$100,000 isn't actually thatuch money.
If you buy 10,000 missiles, then that only turns out to something like 1 billion dollars, which across the entire population of the United States is about $3 per person.
Arguments over the cost of weapons is just third worlders being ass mad that they have to cope with homemade RPGs and drones
>brownoids ran out of launchers and resort to slamming rockets into tanks by hand?
Apparently it's a modified warhead designed specifically for this purpose. There's some caps of a training video floating around.
Multi-billion dollar military consistently outclassed by urban guerrillas using things made out of scrap metal and fertilizer.
Did you know how much each iron dome missile costs? at least 100,000. Each time they fire one of those scrap rockets made virtually for free by a guy in a tunnel somewhere 100,000 dollars of american money are launched to keep it from potentially hitting an israeli's car. That's just if you only count the actual cost of the missiles too, the battery and personnel are additional costs. How long would it take you to work for 100,000 dollars? how much american labor goes into the tax money for every single one of those?
I don't get it
Putting the warhead on top of the tank not aimed at anything in particular will not damage the tank significantly
so? they are sand people, isn't that expected?
its heat charge, you need to aim it properly
in real attack video above its aimed at gap under merk bustle rack
in training video below its facing away from merk ammo storage
how would setting it on a tank and firing another rocket at it do anything at all? wouldn't make the fired rocket less effective? Isn't there a safety on these? would it actually set off if impacted by a rocket? I am just failing to understand the entire concept, It just looks like they basically wasted a rocket
it's set off by pulling the pin you fucking retard
>They use a different charge for drone drops. Pic related.
or they could be using multiple types
no shit asshole, but he still fired another rocket at it. Get off the goddamn internet and go outside, calling people retards for no good reason is indicative of a mental illness
>put on mine
>looks like it did no damage
>why would he fire another rocket?
retard
ww2 german panzerknacker magnetic grenade but in way more retarded form
They fired at the second tank, after the first bomb exploded
ah, ok. Yeah I guess I can't tell at all what's going on in these videos then.
>-t. jidf squid ink
They use a different charge for drone drops. Pic related.
>mfw big dong flying cicadas
guess why we don't see many videos of these
What's the shovel-handle looking part? A magnetic standoff probe?
the bottom one is the bad one btw
stabilization fin for drone dropping
So, from the point of view of that Hamas guy in pic 1, what side of the charge has to be pointed a the tank, the left or the right side?
Left, it would be a pretty poor weapon if you had to realign it after you pulled the pin.
Looks like the pin is at the back and the large empty cone is for standoff distance.
retard the pin is the standoff distance
never saw a shaped charge?
These look like butchered rpg tandem warheads with the impact Fuze replaced with a grenade fuse. Long pole is the standoff, which is why he called you a retard.
Retard here, but if it's just sitting there with nothing holding it, wouldn't the jet accelerate the charge backwards and greatly diminish the weapons penetrating power?
The charge detonates so fast and in all directions it's still going to launch and deform the copper cone
also that image is wrong but it's the same principle
looks like it's a modified
so the pit might be the back of it
and the tube is covering the front
pin
>-t. jidf squid ink
what are you seething about, retard?
its either what I said or even worse and facing away from merk completely in actual real combat video
Depends on if the shovel grip part forms the tube that was the shaped charge warhead or the fuze end. Either could be the case, the fuze at the nose is the standard config but that requires routing cables to the rear as the charge must be detonated from the back, they may have instead preferred to omit this in manufacturing to simplify things. They could, however, be using standard charges and just have made the nose cap removable, with the shovel grip being screwed onto where the propellant is usually screwed on. I'm leaning towards it being angled wrong in use though. If you look at PG-7VR charges the initial charge is set at the very end of the nose for good reason. A charge like this is either not a tandem charge or is poorly designed since the initial charge would be too close to the primary charge and damage it. Given they copied the PG-7VR and likely have Iranian support making such a poorly designed charge seems unlikely to me.
Can somebody explain the shaped charge to me? I get it’s a hollow cone that forces a plasma jet into a pinpoint followed by a slug. How does the hollow cone force it into a pinpoint though? Does the tip of the cone take the brunt of the explosion, melting it and create a path of least resistance?
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Cone with explosive around it. Explosion hits the tip of the cone first and pushes it in. As the blast moves down the cone it pushes it inside out like a sock. Final shape is a very thin cone (closer to a lance) moving at Mach fuck.
Not a plasma, it's a superplastic jet. The cone is forced together by the explosives and its liner material gets squirted out, think squeezing your hands around some gel, it has nowhere to go except out through the gaps, in this case it's forward, and a stream of it gets squeezed out at very high velocity. This then kinetically defeats the armor.
Imagine a sphere of force exploding uniformly in all directions. Now imagine a long thin cone with the opening on the surface of the sphere and the base at the center.
How do you think the expanding force will act on the cone?
The side forces will squeeze it shut and the rest will squirt it out of the ball. The vectors will add up to go fast enough to enter the hydrodynamic regime. Imagine an asteroid splattering on a planet. Both are solid, but for daily-life purposes you can model them like a liquid.
the rear of their mock merkava looks to be on a door hinge with a knob/handle on the right. the orientation of the round in the demonstration video was probably just the only way they could keep it propped up.
the actual merkava has an access hatch that swings down. the demonstration clip isn't an actual piece of instruction, just a piece of propaganda. if accuracy mattered at all, they wouldn't have a fake merkava touted as real "captured" hardware in the first place.
Multi-billion dollar military consistently outclassed by urban guerrillas using things made out of scrap metal and fertilizer.
Did you know how much each iron dome missile costs? at least 100,000. Each time they fire one of those scrap rockets made virtually for free by a guy in a tunnel somewhere 100,000 dollars of american money are launched to keep it from potentially hitting an israeli's car. That's just if you only count the actual cost of the missiles too, the battery and personnel are additional costs. How long would it take you to work for 100,000 dollars? how much american labor goes into the tax money for every single one of those?
>Did you know how much each iron dome missile costs? at least 100,000
See here, this is the reason why all these third world countries are such shitholes, this retard is literally mocking a system designed to prevent civilians from dying.
They can't comprehend first world nations having actual money.
pay up goyim, another bottle rocket was just launched at your overlords. That'll be another million dollars more printed this year.
Wait, so it's true that each iron dome missile costs 100 thousand? I thought it was a palestinian cope so I didn't even bother to check if it was true, israelites are so lucky to have american paypigs ready to bankroll them lmao
Most tax revenue does not come from labor or the working class.
Everyone point and laugh at the economically illiterate brown poorfag. $100k is .03 cents per American citizen. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you value human life so little, considering how worthless your own lives are and how quickly and retardedly you throw them away.
>$100k is .03 cents per American citizen.
It's even less than that when you start to factor in where much of the government revenue comes from.
I now realize the only economical solution is for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza. And as an American taxpayer, this would mean more money in my pocket.
It's funny, Palestinians don't seem to understand that the iron dome is really protecting THEM.
Without the iron dome, the thousands of rockets fired by hamas would have radicalized the Israel into a truly genocidal fervor. And no, 10k bombs == 9k civilian casualties is not a genocide. It's restraint.
lol insane israeli post
The US dropped 1.5k tons of bombs on Tokyo during the largest single air raid, killing 100k civilians. At 250kg a bomb, that's about 6000 bombs, 20 dead per bomb.
Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Cope all you want, Israel is still fighting with one hand behind its back.
>Israels bombing campaign has dropped 10k bombs and killed 9k (hamas's number). Less than 1 per bomb.
Which is about the same number of civilians as Russia has killed since February 2022. In a single month. Literally sub-Russian tier brutality.
For [citations] have two, the latter directly from the Ukrainian government up until August this year.
https://archive .ph/dwya6
https://archive .ph/qBHYp
What a stupid comparison. You guys really aren't the high IQ super-minds you claim to be huh? also
And you don’t seem to understand that they are already facing a genocide anyway, a slow encroaching death until there’s no palestine anymore. Just like what happened to the american natives, except the israelites won’t even let the last piece of overcrowded reservation survive.
Palis are multiplying like rabbits - from 1 million in 1949 to 8 million now - that's actually opposite to genocide
They had their chance when the British tried to give them all the major pop centers in the 40s. But they decided they'd rather try and genocide the israelites and lost.
The war in Russia isn't comparable, because the Ukrainian forces are actually trying to defend their civilians, whereas Hamas uses them as shields. Knowing that, 1 civilian collateral per bomb is surgical.
There has never ever been a Palestine as a separate country.
The closest they got was the two state solution that ended up with the arabs chimping out instead of accepting it.
Before that it was a part of a much larger British protectorate, before that the ottoman empire and so on right back to the age of the Romans.
If you want to talk history the israelites were previously called Palestinian israelites with the Palestine/Israeli split a creation of the 50s. So the two state solution was itself a pretty artificial construct.
$100,000 isn't actually thatuch money.
If you buy 10,000 missiles, then that only turns out to something like 1 billion dollars, which across the entire population of the United States is about $3 per person.
Arguments over the cost of weapons is just third worlders being ass mad that they have to cope with homemade RPGs and drones
Bottom pic is a training video
I have no idea what's going on in this pic
brownoids ran out of launchers and resort to slamming rockets into tanks by hand?
>brownoids ran out of launchers and resort to slamming rockets into tanks by hand?
Apparently it's a modified warhead designed specifically for this purpose. There's some caps of a training video floating around.
check
were still fighting a culture war over this webm?
It's a Maoist struggle session
Money is fungible.