first time PrepHole for 2 days >early autumn >told her to pack a a thicker jacket >on starting day it was warmer than expected, so she repacked in the car >got colder in the evening >we paused to get our fleece out >turns out she ditched every jacket and just one winter jacket with her >walked around with no shirt / pullover and only her jacket for the rest of the day
No. My wife is a princess and refuses to go out. She won't camp. She won't shit outside. She has birthed 3 children so she can do whatever she wants. I take my son's out.
>she cried the first day because there was a steep climb and it was 30°C outside + first day of her period, still managed to go through it >we set up camp near a lake, she loves it >at 11pm some basedboy and her fatty gf came near our tent, pointed their light in our direction and started speaking loudly >they set up in a hammock >gf immediately started berating the shit out of them while pointing a 1000 lumen light right in their faces while I was still half asleep >they left >she follows my advice and does pretty well with the hike and camping >doesn't mind shitting in the woods
>Go PrepHole with gf >We're bot fit and actually get along together >We enjoy a day in nature and come back home
I don't know what is it with the hate towards women lately but trolling aside it's either incels or people who lack the self steem to select a partner and just conform with the first chick that touches them in the peepee and then try to make it work and come crying because muh gf is not who I thought she was/women are inferior
>she cried the first day because there was a steep climb and it was 30°C outside + first day of her period, still managed to go through it >we set up camp near a lake, she loves it >at 11pm some basedboy and her fatty gf came near our tent, pointed their light in our direction and started speaking loudly >they set up in a hammock >gf immediately started berating the shit out of them while pointing a 1000 lumen light right in their faces while I was still half asleep >they left >she follows my advice and does pretty well with the hike and camping >doesn't mind shitting in the woods
>took gf on short hike/camp in Manistee national forest >only about a 4 mile hike to the camping spot >she carried her own bags >didn’t complain >we drank whisky and shot my 357 magnum >she never shot a gun before and really enjoyed it >at night I told her such a scary story that I had to walk with her to the bathroom >snuggled up on the chilly night and got good sleep >woke up refreshed, explored more as we hiked out
She’s my wife now btw
Visited a friend, we went for a hike. I was also in a scout type group that was mixed as a kid.
>Early summer >Go to trail. Supposed to be some dwellings carved into mountain. >She claims she hikes often and is active >Close to mid day and it's getting hot >She starts asking if I want to go back about halfway and other hints >We keep walking, can finally see it >She continues to ask if want to go back >Frick it, obviously doesn't want to go any further >Walk back. Go home
Went out with my gf to do Eagle Rock Loop once >Hey make sure you take this big heavy sleeping bag elsewise you’ll be freezing >It’s heavy and bulky, I don’t wanna >Well okay you can chance it with a lighter bag but it’s not gonna be fun >Gets down to 15F that night >Guess who was desperately shivering in the lightweight bag and trying to keep the fire warm enough for my toes not to freeze off all night
Yeah, next time she’s carrying what I tell her to. Not that I’ve gone again with her yet.
who was desperately shivering in the lightweight bag and trying to keep the fire warm enough for my toes not to freeze off all night
The future cuckold who bailed her out of the consequences of her own actions
lol did you really just come up with a fake story to "pwn" the ultralighters who live in your schizo mind?
"lightweight bag cold heavy bag warm" isn't how down works https://www.switchbacktravel.com/down-fill-insulation-explained
the girlfriend is imaginary too.
I had a fairly nice synthetic marmot for myself, and then several massive and heavy Coleman (or something, can’t remember and don’t care to find them) bags that weren’t suited for backpacking but also didn’t cost me anything.
Also colder temp rating bags are always heavier, I said nothing about ultralighters, and you are a moron and a Black person.
I have 5 or 6 different bags. I got a couple as presents, I found one at a thrift store for cheap and the others I bought over the years. I have multiple pairs of hiking boots and probably 100 different MREs in my closet. No idea why some anons think it's hard to believe that people amass multiple pieces of one gear item
My wife comes with me on like 90% of my outings. She's wasn't necessarily into backpacking / hiking / camping before we met, but she's an ecology / botany autist and so that intersects with PrepHole enough that she's motivated enough for most trips, even when there's some "type 2 fun" involved. It's pretty obvious we go PrepHole for different reasons though - she really is a little autistic and doesn't seem to get much out of epic vistas from the summit or a beautiful sunset on the lake, but she'll go nuts for some rare plant or bug she finds along the trail. The only trips she doesn't really have a lot of interest in are winter trips where we'd be going somewhere covered in snow because there's no plants / everything is dead or dormant. She also doesn't really like snowshoeing. I think that's mostly cause she's 4'11" and even buying her the smallest women's-specific snowshoes, they don't really work well on her. I've kvetched about this before on PrepHole, but it's a real challenge to find quality gear for small women.
I don't really have a ton of interesting greentext stories. I know this is probably what 99% of guys here want to hear about, but despite having a double sleeping bag (Big Agnes King Solomon), we don't really frick in the back country. On our honeymoon we hiked the Kalalau Trail and she gave me a boob job. We have a good sex life otherwise, I just think we both feel like fricking in the back country is a bit messy.
It's when something sucks in the moment, but you look back on it as a positive experience. You hear the term more in the mountaineer / alpinist community - shit like having to bivouac unexpectedly and spend a miserable night freezing your ass off, but when it's over, it's a cool story and you're glad you tried. Basically, anything that sucks but you live through with all your fingers and toes
>doesn't seem to get much out of epic vistas from the summit or a beautiful sunset on the lake
Why is this so common with women? My gf is practically blind to vistas/sunsets/wide landscapes, it's like they don't even register in her mind. She isn't stupid or anything of the sort, but she behaves so strange about it, the last time I pointed it out she was like "it's just some trees"
Maybe I'm the autist
I've posted this before but will do again in more detail as it's the only PrepHole story I have with other people that didn't end in disaster. >Be me >Regularly goes solo camping since groups suck >At the bar one night with friends and coworkers >Tell the group I'm going on a solo trip next week >Sometime later a friend of a coworker comes up to me and begs me to take her as well >We've met a few times but didn't really take to much notice >She has a cute face, very chubby but not massive, like pic related >Tell her how much walking and physical work it will be >Doesn't phase her and offers to buy supplies, food etc. >Whatever, decide to take her as she keeps pressing the issue >Wait whole week expecting her to cancel >Day of the camp, she's still up for it >I picked her up as she doesn't drive >Still completely cool with going >We park up and start walking >She carries her fair share, no issues, no complains, just good conversation >She was happy, bubbly and genuinely having a good time >I think I like her >Set up camp and got a fire going >She products a big bottle of whiskey >Am impressed she carried it >Frick yeah time to get drunk!! >We drank, talked and eventually frick each others brains out >Nothing like fricking around a camp fire under the stars >I came inside her while squeezing her huge breasts >After sex she admitted to being really hungry so I cooked some food >We hadn't eaten all day and were pretty drunk >Fricked again later that night >The next morning we fricked again, still kinda drunk >Nothing like fricking while the sun is rising with dew on the grass >Cooked some more food, slept some more then headed home
I would say that she was only interested in going PrepHole with me just to frick but we've done it alot since then and it's been a few years, though recently not so much as I made her a mother and wife.
I've posted this before but will do again in more detail as it's the only PrepHole story I have with other people that didn't end in disaster. >Be me >Regularly goes solo camping since groups suck >At the bar one night with friends and coworkers >Tell the group I'm going on a solo trip next week >Sometime later a friend of a coworker comes up to me and begs me to take her as well >We've met a few times but didn't really take to much notice >She has a cute face, very chubby but not massive, like pic related >Tell her how much walking and physical work it will be >Doesn't phase her and offers to buy supplies, food etc. >Whatever, decide to take her as she keeps pressing the issue >Wait whole week expecting her to cancel >Day of the camp, she's still up for it >I picked her up as she doesn't drive >Still completely cool with going >We park up and start walking >She carries her fair share, no issues, no complains, just good conversation >She was happy, bubbly and genuinely having a good time >I think I like her >Set up camp and got a fire going >She products a big bottle of whiskey >Am impressed she carried it >Frick yeah time to get drunk!! >We drank, talked and eventually frick each others brains out >Nothing like fricking around a camp fire under the stars >I came inside her while squeezing her huge breasts >After sex she admitted to being really hungry so I cooked some food >We hadn't eaten all day and were pretty drunk >Fricked again later that night >The next morning we fricked again, still kinda drunk >Nothing like fricking while the sun is rising with dew on the grass >Cooked some more food, slept some more then headed home
I would say that she was only interested in going PrepHole with me just to frick but we've done it alot since then and it's been a few years, though recently not so much as I made her a mother and wife.
Heh, yea, at least this guy was honest
My wife comes with me on like 90% of my outings. She's wasn't necessarily into backpacking / hiking / camping before we met, but she's an ecology / botany autist and so that intersects with PrepHole enough that she's motivated enough for most trips, even when there's some "type 2 fun" involved. It's pretty obvious we go PrepHole for different reasons though - she really is a little autistic and doesn't seem to get much out of epic vistas from the summit or a beautiful sunset on the lake, but she'll go nuts for some rare plant or bug she finds along the trail. The only trips she doesn't really have a lot of interest in are winter trips where we'd be going somewhere covered in snow because there's no plants / everything is dead or dormant. She also doesn't really like snowshoeing. I think that's mostly cause she's 4'11" and even buying her the smallest women's-specific snowshoes, they don't really work well on her. I've kvetched about this before on PrepHole, but it's a real challenge to find quality gear for small women.
I don't really have a ton of interesting greentext stories. I know this is probably what 99% of guys here want to hear about, but despite having a double sleeping bag (Big Agnes King Solomon), we don't really frick in the back country. On our honeymoon we hiked the Kalalau Trail and she gave me a boob job. We have a good sex life otherwise, I just think we both feel like fricking in the back country is a bit messy.
It's not that hard to find women who are into PrepHole shit, or at least not as hard as PrepHole seems to think it is. Finding women who are into this shit is easier than, for instance, finding a gamer chick. As long as you aren't on some camo wearing survivalist LARP. Most chicks I've met like hiking and camping and even backpacking.
But most women aren't going to suck your dick in the back country, any more than they would in a public restroom. Yea sure, there are chicks who do that shit, but not many.
>But most women aren't going to suck your dick in the back country, any more than they would in a public restroom.
That hasn't been my experience at all. Literally every time I've taken a girl I was dating or interested in camping it's ended with us fricking.
camping, or backpacking? My wife and I sometimes frick when car camping. It's only when we're on some "mission" in the backcountry, where we're usually pretty sweaty / bonked at the end of each day, with camp chores / etc to do, and generally focused on things other than sex.
I also get the sense that almost nobody ITT has gone out with an independently competent backpacker / outdoor adventure chick. It's mostly cum-brained thots they "carried along" on some casual first-time outing.
>camping, or backpacking?
Either one. Mostly I was thinking of the chicks at uni where we'd go car camping or relatively easy 1-2 night hikes. It was always "omg it's so romantic / the sky is so clear out here / you looked so hot under that waterfall - fugg me pls".
My wife's the only chick I've taken on serious backcountry trips and going PrepHole seems to be a turn on for her so unless we're seriously tired then we'll usually get up to something. >I also get the sense that almost nobody ITT has gone out with an independently competent backpacker / outdoor adventure chick. It's mostly cum-brained thots they "carried along" on some casual first-time outing.
Oh for sure. I've met two girls in my life that I'd consider reasonably competent PrepHoleists and I married one of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Something I've noticed, in this thread and others like it, is PrepHole seems to have way more married people than pretty much any other board.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When it comes to hobbies, PrepHoleing is one that will filter people who aren't your type pretty quickly
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm guessing that outdoorsmanship is, despite all the horror stories here, a more woman-friendly hobby than most other PrepHole niche hobbies (guns, politics, anime) not to mention healthier and more likely to make you attractive to the opposite sex. Or maybe I'm just tooting my own horn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, you're good. We're all 6'4" blue-eyed healthy gigachads on this board.
About the same, she put on some weight then lost it, we eat pretty healthy. She comes from a whole family of shortstack chubbers, even the men, I'm the only outlier making me the tallest. Sometimes I sit a wonder how everyone in that family managed to find someone else with the same height and build.
>Sometimes I sit a wonder how everyone in that family managed to find someone else with the same height and build.
Actually there's a lot of data that shows people tend to pair up with physically similar people. Relationships where one partner is way more attractive / thinner / fitter, etc, tend to not work out. Adjusted for hypergamy in heterosexual relationships, of course.
I've posted this before but will do again in more detail as it's the only PrepHole story I have with other people that didn't end in disaster. >Be me >Regularly goes solo camping since groups suck >At the bar one night with friends and coworkers >Tell the group I'm going on a solo trip next week >Sometime later a friend of a coworker comes up to me and begs me to take her as well >We've met a few times but didn't really take to much notice >She has a cute face, very chubby but not massive, like pic related >Tell her how much walking and physical work it will be >Doesn't phase her and offers to buy supplies, food etc. >Whatever, decide to take her as she keeps pressing the issue >Wait whole week expecting her to cancel >Day of the camp, she's still up for it >I picked her up as she doesn't drive >Still completely cool with going >We park up and start walking >She carries her fair share, no issues, no complains, just good conversation >She was happy, bubbly and genuinely having a good time >I think I like her >Set up camp and got a fire going >She products a big bottle of whiskey >Am impressed she carried it >Frick yeah time to get drunk!! >We drank, talked and eventually frick each others brains out >Nothing like fricking around a camp fire under the stars >I came inside her while squeezing her huge breasts >After sex she admitted to being really hungry so I cooked some food >We hadn't eaten all day and were pretty drunk >Fricked again later that night >The next morning we fricked again, still kinda drunk >Nothing like fricking while the sun is rising with dew on the grass >Cooked some more food, slept some more then headed home
I would say that she was only interested in going PrepHole with me just to frick but we've done it alot since then and it's been a few years, though recently not so much as I made her a mother and wife.
Post the other story anon if you haven't already. Told your story to my wife and she now wants to frick in the woods.
Amen brother, almost all of my outings involving other people, aside that one, are a fricking catastrophe so not sure what you mean by other story, maybe this?
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>Be me >Current GF begs me to take her on one of my camping trips >I go often, once every other week depending on commitments >We were going to move in together and she wanted to be more involved in my life >Whatever sure >She's pretty fit, swims a few times a week >Tell her the trail details and plan everything in advance >Day of the trip >Pick her up and drive to site >We started walking >Within about 30 minutes of walking the moaning started >”Why can't we camp here” “I'm hungry” “This isn't fun” >I didn't expect things to go completely smoothly so whatever >Push onto camping spot >A small woodland I've been visiting since I was a child >Owned by fathers friend >Completely safe >Set up camp >Moans about setting up camp, tent, making fire, food etc. >Won't let me drink my rum as scared of wolfs, bears and snakes >We don't live in that part of the world, no wolves or bears and nothing poisonous >Also controlled land by a fence and signs everywhere >She knows this >Legit no large predator I can't crush with my boots alone, I've done it >Go to sleep >Wake up to GF moaning about something stalking us >Humour her and look around with my head, hand and chest lights. >All very powerful >Nothing >Go back to sleep >Wake up to GF annoyed and wanting to go home >On the way home mutters about how my hobbies suck >Am hurt >Got home and broke up not long after
I leant from a friend that she thought my camping might have been a cover story for something else, cheating maybe? I don't know but I guess the truth was much harder than she could handle.
No one who has an anime image called "I love grabbing her tiddies" saved anywhere will ever find love, stop kidding yourself, anon, and stop lying to us
Are you not fricking your female camping buddies? It is like 100% chance of sex. It is more or less like inviting a girl to your hotel room. Knowing how to set up a mosquito net well will get you laid proper.
>Have you ever went PrepHole with a female? Greentext your experience.
God I wish.... I wish I could have a female on one of my hikes through the forest, there is so many neat things to witness and I don't have somebody to share them with. Even when I was in relationships, the girls were not the kind that liked outdoors and lots of physical activity.
>went on a few dates with girl in Seattle >she's a complete urbanite, never went camping even as a kid, never been outside the limits of a city before except in a car >convinced her to go on an overnighter with me in the Cascades >just tell her to bring a change of clothes, a water source, and decent shoes and that I'd take care of the rest >picked a pretty decent little trail I knew with about 1300 feet of gain over 5ish miles, short enough that we could turn around at the top and leave if she absolutely hated it because I had absolutely no idea how this would go >when I picked her up she was wearing sandals, skinny jeans and some cheap crummy backpack that looked like it was about to fall apart >remember thinking to myself, "this was a stupid idea" >but no, once start moving she's super excited about everything the whole time, pointing out every waterfall and big rock and cool looking tree like that basedjack meme with me going "I know! Pretty cool, huh?" cause it's all totally new to her >when we make camp she turns into a feral little bushcraft autist obsessed with the campfire, with cooking over a fire and trying to make shit out of sticks and Paracord >she even convinces me to call in sick to work so we can stay out an extra day >really happy about the trip afterwards, never complained even though her feet were all fricked up at the end
That was years ago now, we're not together any more for various reasons but still remains a really fond memory for me and I think a really special time for her, we're still friends online and I see her post PrepHole pics from time to time
Took my then gf out once, I had the skills and gear of a moronic hobo so she had a miserable time, and unfortunately I didn't have enough booze to make it fun.
She's actually interested in going PrepHole again, and I'm ten years older, wiser and richer, so it should be less miserable, but just in case I'll pack a handle of her favorite whiskey.
>go on a hike with a girl who claims to love hiking >we do two small mountains with a hike that’s supposed to take about 4 or 5 hours >before we even get to the second peak she appears unwell >ask her if she’s okay >and she’s like “I’m fine” >keep going >she starts to violently puke and cry and explain that she’s never hiked like this before and how it was manipulative to bring her on such a difficult hike >hike back in complete silence
He already replied with dumbass details that no one could've known beforehand, thinking of a "gotcha!" by saying he's married, but in reality he probably burns rice, or maybe beans, possibly curry. But ugly, regardless.
All from a 'sour grapes' complex. >see guise, according to these pathetic brainlet KHVs from 4chinz, r/mgtow, and omega male youtube, all white women are dog fricking prostitutes who can't cook and don't clean
it's worse anon. imagine being in the top 1% of women, but still suffering from such crippling insecurity that you still feel the need to shop your 9.9/10 ass.
I want you to be honest with me. Are all women into PrepHole adventures and hide it well?
My gf and probably future with is a chronically at home urban rat who has never stepped in the woods before meeting me, and then only very reluctantly.
She absolutely abhors the idea of going out, hiking, camping. I can't convince her at all but I feel like she's too attached to the comforts of the home, city, grocery store across the street.
HOW the frick do I even introduce the idea of an PrepHole adventure to her? Despite being a great girl overall, I practically day-dream and fantasize daily about the moment I break up with her and I go retreat in the woods for a long period of time. It ain't gonna happen, I'm gonna marry her, but still....
anon ALL humans are enjoy going PrepHole
nature, excersize and gettig away from the stresses of modern life makes every person feel better even people that say they hate it or have never experienced it
and urban environments make everyone feel worse even if they dont notice it
even the most disgusting city rat who has never seen the colour green and vomits at the idea of being away from their climate controlled coccoon of conveniance (car and home lol) will feel better than they ever have before after going out
if you ever meet anyone like this you should drag them kicking and screaming on an adventure and by the end theyl be thanking you
im doing this with my fat gamer fren rn, bought him a cheap mountain bike and weve been riding regularly together, he hated it and complained constantly at first but now hes the one trying to find new spots for us to ride to to get nice views to have a joint over
Start small. Find a good nature park or day hike that's nice and easy and ideally with a good rewarding view or environment. A lot of people view hiking and outdoors stuff as just effort but you can start by showing them that the experience itself is fun and that there are things you can only enjoy by stepping off the pavement. Then you can build. Find a cool stream or lake you can hike to go swimming in, a good vista where you can tote along a beer or some wine. For camping start small, find a state park so they still have the car and bath rooms and such and then maybe a state forest where it's still car camping but no amenities.
Another aspect worth noting is that some people especially now feel like they need to have the phone and be available constantly and you have to build up that ability to not care that the reception is poor/nonexistent for a day, a weekend, etc.
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I wish I had someone to go on hikes with me, I don't have any friends let along a girlfriend. I'm a 27 year old virgin and spend my days alone in my room.
I feel you anon. I have a slightly different problem where more of my friends have families and can't go on as many adventures. Do as I have done, start rolling solo.
>take gf deer hunting for first time >get handy in the woods >mosquito bites side of my wiener >quarter sized lump on it for the last 24 hours
Wanna see?
>Be me >Current GF begs me to take her on one of my camping trips >I go often, once every other week depending on commitments >We were going to move in together and she wanted to be more involved in my life >Whatever sure >She's pretty fit, swims a few times a week >Tell her the trail details and plan everything in advance >Day of the trip >Pick her up and drive to site >We started walking >Within about 30 minutes of walking the moaning started >”Why can't we camp here” “I'm hungry” “This isn't fun” >I didn't expect things to go completely smoothly so whatever >Push onto camping spot >A small woodland I've been visiting since I was a child >Owned by fathers friend >Completely safe >Set up camp >Moans about setting up camp, tent, making fire, food etc. >Won't let me drink my rum as scared of wolfs, bears and snakes >We don't live in that part of the world, no wolves or bears and nothing poisonous >Also controlled land by a fence and signs everywhere >She knows this >Legit no large predator I can't crush with my boots alone, I've done it >Go to sleep >Wake up to GF moaning about something stalking us >Humour her and look around with my head, hand and chest lights. >All very powerful >Nothing >Go back to sleep >Wake up to GF annoyed and wanting to go home >On the way home mutters about how my hobbies suck >Am hurt >Got home and broke up not long after
I leant from a friend that she thought my camping might have been a cover story for something else, cheating maybe? I don't know but I guess the truth was much harder than she could handle.
>be me >banging my coworker >always going PrepHole when I'm not with her or working >eventually she wants to tag along >take her to babbys first mountaineering route, where you go up an easy mountain and get an easy tram ride down >we start walking >she starts talking >doesn't stop the entire time >literally talks about everything under the sun >so busy talking that I have to remind her to stop and take water breaks and rest >immediately resumes talking >zero moments of silence on the entire trip, even when she is exhausted
I asked my climbing partner if this was normal for women and he said it's pretty typical.
>it's pretty typical.
I hear this alot and experienced my fair share. The difficult part is when you have very simple solutions to their problems. Just remember they want an emotional resolution to their problems, not an actual one.
Learning that, if you keep her around is up to you, there are women out there who aren't clock and dagger... but they are rare...
You don't talk when you go walking? When I go PrepHole with my friends we never stfu the entire way, short of drinking I don't think anything stimulates conversation more than walking
>I asked my climbing partner if this was normal for women and he said it's pretty typical.
It's pretty much how MF relationships work when you're a bit of a 'sperg, anon.
>gf wants to go camping >talks the whole time and I humour her >make her laugh with an observation or two but mostly in listening mode >look after her, set tent up myself while she does other shit because I don't want to get mad >have a few beers and get comfy >until my arm gets uncomfortable there's an hour or two where everything just feels alright >talk about deep stuff sometimes like how the English language has a class strata between Germanic and Latin origin vocabulary that she tolerates
I'm worried because she wants to get a cat because there's an Instagram meme about taking them camping. I know full well how that is going to go.
Yeah I grew up with cats and know there's no fricking way they enjoy being on a leash in a strange place. What I suspect happens more often than Instagram shows is cats crying the whole time and running away to find their own way back home. Also bullying the shit out of the dog to take out their stress.
My logic is she will catch on pretty quick after getting a cat that they get very distressed when you take them out of their territory.
I take my cat on long walks in the forest. Its ok. Not like a dog ofc, but it gets scared if it is in places it doesnt know and wants to hug into your shoulder.
I wish I had someone to go on hikes with me, I don't have any friends let along a girlfriend. I'm a 27 year old virgin and spend my days alone in my room.
All of your problems are because you are not doing enough burpees. Not memeing either, no matter how fricked up or what problems you have you are just do burpees.
She got me into hiking...because we were living in Taiwan and that was a common activity. Hiked practically every well known and some barely known trails all over Taiwan. Though we don't camp - she won't shut in the woods, and she won't visit China because their public bathrooms are probably third world. Back in the USA, we continue to visit national & state parks. She never complains. Because of China flu she's into prepping too.
I tried to get some of them to walk with me on some trails but they refused, don't want to get out... The most i could get was to drive in a mountain road, get them out of the car in the woods and receive a frick or blow.
Yes. All the time. With my wife, my ex, my ex before her, female friends, random girls I was fricking or wanted to frick during uni.
Hell, even my first kiss was PrepHole. My primary school girlfriend (or "girlfriend" since I was 9 and she was 10 and neither of us really knew what the word meant) had an argument with her parents and we decided to run away together. She brought her sleepover bag and a backpack of food, I brought a torch and a family tent I didn't know how to set up. There was a national park pretty much next to our street so we disappeared into the woods until the police found us a day later.
Every year like clockwork I take two kayaks up to Sydney to paddle out to Scotland Island with an ex-girlfriend from 10 years ago or she comes here to float down the Mitta river and camp overnight. There's not much to greentext aside from stinky sex shit that you try to avoid by scrubbing in the river with Solvol beforehand. I'm a dairy farmer and she's a podiatrist so we're both used to foot funk and bovine vegana stank. The best part is female conversation. Girls pay more attention to the news
>camped with a crush >she tried to get others to tag along until the very last minute but failed >didn't frick
>crush plans a hike >get my hopes up and join >she now has a bf (surprise!) who joins >she takes a "shortcut" >everyone gradually runs out of phone battery >dark falls, it starts raining >I sigh and bust out the only headlamp and paper map in the group >didn't frick
>years later, new crush >go dayhike >at the end say we should do it more often >it's been almost a year now >didn't frick
>form a relationship
These were girls I'd known for quite some time and everything I've read tells me that at some point you have to frick them if you want a relationship. If you don't frick it's not a relationship, you're just friends.
>crush >crush >crushx3
Are you perpetually 14 years old to this day man having a crush past like sophomore year of high school is gay as frick especially to call it as such
I thought it was convenient shorthand for "person who has piqued my interest and whom I would be interested in pursuing an intimate relationship with". Sorry if it activates your almonds.
bruh, re-read >2464426, you clearly did not understand anon's meaning
girls will not frick you if your solitary goal is to frick girls. girls do not frick and then start a relationship, it quite literally is the opposite way around. end of story.
>b-but I watch Chad Thunderwiener's TikToks about how he has a huge dong and a tight shirt and fricks a new girl every day and he's so cool I wish I was Chad Thunderwiener. He lives to frick and fricks all the time!
The internet is a place of lies and deception. The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>crush >crush >crushx3
Are you perpetually 14 years old to this day man having a crush past like sophomore year of high school is gay as frick especially to call it as such
I had a female friends I used to hike with. Was nice because because she never complained about anything, even when she got hurt, and always cooked. Generally would never volunteer to do it though, women who do don't become annoying as frick away from civilisation are too rare.
This thread looks like it's mostly about couples/dates, but most of the females in my family enjoy hiking and have been through-hiking the AT a week at a time.
They pull their own weight and supposedly genuinely enjoy just being in the outdoors, but they can never tell me anything specific that they like about it so I could accommodate them better when I do plan the trips. I'm kind of autistic, so I get excited about the different plant types and what they can be used for, but they seem to just enjoy the walking outside, taking pictures of scenery, and posing for their social media accounts.
Either way, 90% of our trips are: >3-5 people (4 girls + me at most) >get to the spot where we left off last time >all of us hike at different speeds >I'm the fastest, so I get to our planned shelter first >set up camp, get water/firewood etc >depending on how early it is, I might go back and check up on them >do this for a week and then get shuttled back to our car
None of them really complain, even when it gets really fricking rough. My family is just like that though, one time it had been raining 2-3 days of the trip and my cousin's foot had started falling apart, toes bloody, all toenails gone, massive blister on the back. She just cleaned it and wrapped it with the first aid kit and kept going, didn't complain at all. My family is also super competitive, so no one wants to be the one that "gives up".
Am i autistic? I also cant really identify what specifically i like about going outside. I just know when i dont do it i get a huge urge to drop everything and go innawoods. Its like an itch
No you just can't verbalize it and haven't spent the time to make your feelings more concise. It's pretty normal I think, like I love fishing, but if you ask me why exactly that is I have to go into a whole long explanation, because it isn't just one thing. If you want to be able to verbalize it well, think about it, if not, just say you like it and keep it at that.
Good thing I'm not hiking it solely to "complete" it, I just enjoy being out in the woods seeing plants and animals, and the AT is long enough that it goes through all sorts of biomes on top of getting to see all the nearby cities.
That's a pretty apt description for people who do that kind of thing on the AT. Unfortunately his story will out him when he talks to anybody that actually thru-hikes.
> Camp on island with gf (at the time) and her family > Her family all treat her like shit because she's the only one who doesn't like fishing > Gf mopes around because she used to like coming here as a kid and would get to bring a friend with and explore the woods and play games but now she usually spends most of the time sitting on the island alone > Tell gfs Dad that I'm going to hang back and keep her company while they go out fishing on afternoon excursion > Frick like animals in the open for like six hours while they're gone > Eat Walleye for dinner
Yeah I only ever go PrepHole with my gf
We've gone hiking, camping, and mountaineering together
She's more into camping, I'm more into climbing
She's good at starting fires but terrible at orientation
I'm just trying to get her into PrepHole sex now, but she refuses...
I hike with my girlfriend almost every week and I always get blown at the summit. Somehow no one else is every at the top at the same time as us which is a bit weird. We usually hike later in the day though.
Not sure if this counts >be me >anglo >grew up in rural AOB >have always loved a solo hike and camp >moved to a coastal smallish city >family man now >now take my two young lads with me fairly often just for a hike and overnight or whatever >Mrs anon: "you guys have so much fun I wish i could join in and share your interests" >leaveusthefrickalone.jpg >"well, maybe come on a little walk with us" >(Mrs anon is pretty, likes clothes, make up and doing her hair etc) >"please anon, I know I'd love it and wouldn't be in the way" >"sorry but it's important we have something together just as lads" >mentioned it a couple of times more but I diverted >3 weeks pass >Mrs: "anon, I booked us a trip. You're going to love it" >please no >"it's a campsite not far from here, they have fire pits and you get to sleep in a tent" >soundsfrickinggay.mp3 >"ok Mrs anon, sounds nice. Let's do it" >she buys all funny meme stuff. Solar powered shower and shit like that even though they have showers there. >gets all excited, quite cute actually >frick it, I'm looking forward to it >pack the car up, lads are up for it. Bring the baby too, she's only 1 >pitch the big 8 man >big pre arranged sites in a well mowed sterile field >loads of single mums with kids there >sit down and get the fire going >look to my left to the next camp along >see pic related >most depressing shit I've ever seen >Mrs anon: "it's so nice being out in the wild isn't it"
Prepare to panic worse than you've ever panicked.
For example I had bagged up breast milk but obviously needed to warm it up. I've made 1000s of fires but when it dawned on me that if I couldn't start a fire, I couldn't warm my milk and then couldn't feed my baby it became a lot more of a big deal.
Other than that it was just pretty lovely. Had him wrapped in a muslin a lot as it was quite bright. Slept with him.
Remembering this is how all humans had and babies for thousands of years up until 150yrs ago settled me down a bit when I was worried.
Glad I did it, there's some cute pictures.
I dunno why these homosexuals are so mad at you. I'd be pretty unhappy if my vacation included such a dysgenic sight. Like going to an art museum and realizing it's a modern "art" museum. Ruins the whole experience.
>take gf camping >she wakes up one morning and wants to frick >we are in the wilderness with very little toiletries >tell her she smells bad and I don’t want to >cried and makes me pack up everything alone while she waits in the car
She blew me on the way home but I haven’t camped with a chick since , frick that
What is it with these people who say they are outdoorsmen but get disgusted with a sweaty person who has been hiking all day. Former scout here man I love the smell of some sweaty pussy.
I’m not a cuck, but I’ll tell cautionary tale >be me >qt 3.14 gf who loves /out >wildandcrazyplan.exe >we put our life savings into a van to have the summer of a lifetime >I put in 4k, she puts in 1.5k >We renovate a work van just like on israelitetube >drive from Ontario to Vancouver Island, stopping to camp all across the country >pretty comfy most of the time >gf goes deep schizo into the whole, quirky hippy meme >stops shaving, no deo, shampoo is toxic, etc >we can’t shower frequently to begin with, so I’m sure you can ponder the fragrance >seen her shit inna bucket too many times to count >teehee anon, it’s natural >where has my qt, feminine gf gone? >too much time together and I’m starting to see nothing but flaws >don’t really wanna have seggs anymore because she grosses me out tbqhtbh >start arguing over stupid shit >we get to beautiful, British Columbia >stay at a work away commune farm for the “enriching experience” with other hippy dippy people >by people, I mean drugged out transients and hardcore green utopia leftists >there are many “polyamorous” types >gf tells me we should have a foursome with one of the other couples >dont really want to, but yolo, I guess >big mistake >the other couple were some unwashed crack heads with dirty, fused dreadlocks >desperately trying to forget the aroma >gf is getting railed by this guy while I get the saddest blowjob from this stick thin druggie gril >I barely even have a half chub, pushing rope into her unwashed vagoo >forcibly c00m to get it over with >buddy is still going to town >awkwardly leave their tent >gf comes back to our van >huge fight >I can’t even look at her, or who she has become >leave the next morning >bought a bus ticket back to Ontario, cut my van losses, don’t even care >she messages and calls me non-stop >ignore her calls, leave her on read >don’t tell any of our friends >just solo camped and seethed a couple more times before school started again
Hey, at least you found you weren't compatible then rather than after getting married. It's not like your trip was responsible for her degeneracy, it merely helped bring it to the surface.
My wife and I did the vanlife thing for a year and we loved it.
I'll admit I teased the frick out of her when she had us driving around remote Andean villages looking for waxing strips but that definitely sounds preferable to you and the rest of the anons in this thread who had to put up with their b***hes getting stanky.
I wanna motorboat her ass cheeks. just get my schnoz way up in there and jiggle my face back and forth while making a hummmm sound with my loose lips. then give her ass some nice firm squeezes and occasionally slap her ass cheeks like bongos. that’d be a nice way to spend the morning.
>Be on several day hikes with girl from uni >Don't think I'll ever score, but I don't have many friends and they don't hike >Walks nice and slow, perfect for my fat ass >Also stops frequently to identify flowers or something
Probably wouldn't do it if I wasn't attracted to her, which makes me friendzoned I guess. But it feels better than no female contact at all.
Had a two day hike with her, my sister and a friend. Sister and girl get along great and I'm left out. But we slept in a hotel with a sauna and I sneaked a peak at her breasts lol.
It's been a tumultuous set of years since I last told it so I'll just make it brief since i'm not certain with some of the finer details anymore.
>take daughter on camping trip with some friends >daughter was very much a tomboy >daughter goes missing partway through the day >friends are panicking >i'm panicking >because montana >drive down the rangers post several miles down the mountain >search party by dark >no luck >daughter still missing >daughter shows up next morning with decapitated critter like she wasnt just missing for the entire night
Shes mostly grown out of it by now, shes at that age where hanging out with dad is embarassing. You know its going to happen eventually, but you hope it doesn't, and when it happens its a knife to the heart.
>shes at that age where hanging out with dad is embarassing >daughter shows up next morning with decapitated critter
While regular dads worry about unwanted pregnancy and potential drug abuse by their little princess, you on the other hand should worry about serial murders.
US society is kinda gay, not gonna lie. Unless you are embarrassingly fat and she doesn't want to be seen with a disgusting slob, hanging out with parents is quite normal here.
>Wife car camps/glamps >Loves it >She have been doing is from childhood because her dad is not complete homosexual >I also went car camping as a kid >Have military background and actually prefer to hike and camp >Wife can't into my minimalist approach >Gets mad at me for not sleeping in the 40lb 3 room hotel with tent poles >We car camp >The End
Stop watching UltimateSigmaGrindset9000 incel-cope crap. Relationships necessarily must include compromises, especially when the stronger man has to think about the weaker woman and children.
Anon
>Wife car camps/glamps >Loves it >She have been doing is from childhood because her dad is not complete homosexual >I also went car camping as a kid >Have military background and actually prefer to hike and camp >Wife can't into my minimalist approach >Gets mad at me for not sleeping in the 40lb 3 room hotel with tent poles >We car camp >The End
gets to camp with his wife, which is vastly superior to being divorced and miserable because he insisted on living up to some zoomer's moronic understanding of masculinity and dragging her through some ultralight anticomfy activity that was obviously gonna drive any woman nuts.
>camping with a new gf in autumn, northern US >I've camped some but not much >she wants to put a tarp under the tent to make it more comfortable >never tried that before so I say okay >the edges of the tarp go further than the edges of the tent (you can probably see where this is going) >have a good time hiking and shooting all day >go to sleep >it rains, a lot >water begins to accumulate in the tent until it's a couple inches deep >she just climbs on top of me and goes back to sleep >I lay there for hours on my back in the water, at least she is helping me keep my body temp above hypothermia >wait until the sun comes up while she snores on top of me >try to start a fire, it's still raining, she's staying in the tent >get a little fire going with the embers from last night but between the wind and the wetness it's getting dangerously cold and the fire is not enough >she's shivering pretty hard >send her back to the car and tell her to start it and turn on the heat >she's a runner so I figure she'll jog there and warm up, which she does >I pack up camp and carry everything back >the end
We went camping together many more times, but that first time was very unpleasant. It was a good learning experience, I guess.
under the tent how would that make it more comfortable? walk me through the thought process here
There's many reasons to put a tarp under a tent but to make it more comfortable isn't one of them that I'm aware of. Most of my group of friends place a tarp so help protect against piercing and keep the tent cleaner for pack up.
In the future you can try just tucking the edges in so they don't collect water.
People should really JUST FRICKING BUY THE FRICKING "FOOTPRINT" WHICH IS SUPPLIED BY THE TENT MANUYFACTURER, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THESE TWO PURPOSES.
I go hiking/skiing/climbing/canoeing with my wife all the time but we've only gone camping a few times, it feels like camping is more of a boys' thing, you're all dirty and uncomfortable and the only way to make camping fun is to get all fricked up.
just because it isn't easy doesn't mean it isn't good advice. I used to be a social moron also. The only cure is practice. Social skills are a skill, as in they can be learned through practice, trial and error, like any other skill. Even true autismos can learn to function normally with sufficient time and effort. Reading books on social skills can only take you so far, sooner or later you've just gotta do it. You can't learn to swim from a book, though it helps, in the end you've just gotta frickin swim.
Actually kind of creep myself out that I can spot her so easily.
I don't follow her insta or any of that shit.
She's just a one of a kind.
Here she is with minimal makeup that still shows her freckles.
>take huge titty israelite princess ex gf camping with friends >shes never been camping before and is scared of drugs >has panic attack when friends start smoking weed and makes me drive her home in middle of night
>go camping with different group of friends >girl ive never met is giving me the eyes when we're around campfire >says she needs to show me something at her car >get to car and she jumps my bones >i cant get it up, pretty fricking drunk but get weird vibe from her too >she starts crying and runs off, whatever, go and get even drunker at fire >find out later she's total fricking schizo, pulled a knife on another guy during sex
>go hiking in CO with gf >long but scenic and gentle hike up mountain to lake in the crater >reach peak, names carved into every fricking tree >i remark about the carvings, she says its sweet and that its a cool permanent memento >about to go into rant about no one owning nature and how i would actually publically execute everyone of these frickers with their initials in the trees >realize shes a woman and doesnt understand honor, decide to just nod and just avoid this battle >she gets turned on by the lake and blows me
>camping with same gf and friends >realize i brought tiny pup tent instead of 6 man tent, frick lol >gf mad but i convince her we'll make it work >hang out for a bit, she gets sleepy and squeezes into tent >i stay up and drink whole bottle of jaeger by fire >ready for bed, stumble over to tent >fall down into tent, collapses with gf inside >she is (understandably) losing her shit, I cant get myself out of collapsed tent >she finally somehow unravels me and rolls me inside >i kick her all night long and steal her blanket
Surprised this thread has lasted this long, then again if I had to pick a board on this website that actually has some interaction with women it would be you guys.
I'd never camped before meeting my wife. 1 year into dating we did a backpacking trip which was my first time camping.
She was significantly more prepared than I and I nearly froze to death, but it was a blast.
We've never had sex while camping: we are usually too bushed and smelly to make it enjoyable. We are just happy to be together away from civilization. She also does most of the gear research as I am lazy as frick in that regard, and she usually makes good decisions. I usually do the cooking while PrepHole.
>organized bus tour to a mountain and then hiking all day >go with a group of friends of which I know about half >im single, havent kissed a girl in years >fun times hiking up mountains all day, challenging and exhausting though >nightfall comes >we have to return to the camp >everyone got flashlights >hiking thru rocky forest >rocks are slippery from evening dew >one of the girls finding it hard descending down >she also has no flashlight >asks me to stay next to her so she can see >keeps slipping >another girl tells her to hold me by my arm so she wouldnt fall >she holds me by my jacket sleeve >after few minutes i say "hold me by the hand, its easier for me to keep you safe that way" >hold hands down the entire hill, help her make tricky steps >feels good to take care of someone and make them safe >hike uphill for another hour >get into the bus >sit next to random girl cause only seat left >talk to her a bit >bus starts driving us back home >it's very late by now >random girl next to me falls asleep >Im trying to fall asleep too but cant >impossible to find decent sleeping position esp. since Im very tall >girl next to me sleeping like a champ >2h pass as I'm in half-coma state from the exhaustion trying to doze off >feel something on my shoulder >turn around and look >she's sleeping on my shoulder >havent had this much closeness with a girl in years >close my eyes >relax into the inertia of the bus's turns and let them slowly pull me closer to her side >the side of my head/face makes contact with top of her head >relax the weight of my head more >slowly start falling asleep >she's sleeping on my shoulder as I'm sleeping resting on her head >feels warm and nice >she wakes up for few seconds once in a while and nuzzles into my shoulder more >when I have to adjust my head I also lightly nuzzle the top of her head >friends wake me up once we've arrived >her mom jokes with me: "you might as well come home with us" >say bye to her >didnt ever got her name
seriously though I'd been on a nofap streak that I'd failed few days prior to that trip. If this had happened while I was on nofap your post would be 100% unironically real to me
I know both the feeling of years-lasting solitude and the sudden bittersweet moments like that shoulder part.
yeah man. I'd say it wasnt bittersweet, it was just sweet, the bitter part was years of solitude. those 2h sleeping with her were bliss. innocent affection. was like a gift from heavens to remind me that its possible to be close with someone and feel such things, and that even if I was out of it for years, it was just a period of time and it could change for the better at any moment.
also i know she was attracted to me, I was abnormally confident from the endorphin buzz of hiking and the small talk with her was smooth, and few other things accidentally happened in the bus that made me look like the leader. but i was too tired to even try taking it further. if there's a single way on earth to get close to someone you like really quick, it'd be in a way where you have plausible deniability because youre "asleep". I think thats kinda what happened, we both took advantage of it to cuddle up together in a way we were far from on a conscious level; we bypassed a good chunk of the mating dance that'd have to take place to get to that situation consciously. maybe her sleeping on my shoulder was accidental initially but later on I'd feel when she'd wake up for a few seconds and would just nuzzle in closer, maybe assuming that I'm asleep. Few times when that happened I'd just caress her head/face with mine a bit intentionally, if she was still awake Im assuming she was wondering if it was intentional or just my unconscious reaction while sleeping.
Her mom was also super nice to me the whole time while I couldnt fall asleep. And later when I woke up and she inmediately made that joke, I know she was looking at us while we were sleeping and that she also found it sweet. The girl also "woke up" 5 seconds after me so she was probably awake a good while.
I think this was one of those experiences that happen and you're very grateful for them and that's it. I heard from her mom she lives in another town too. Besides, even if I'm 99% positive that she was into me, it'd be weird reaching out lol, what do you even say, "hey girl I talked to for 2 minutes, it was nice sleeping on your head". The particular girl is not the point of this, I think it was a nice experience and memory to carry and move on and take the lesson that even if youre a lonely affection starved mf, intimacy is much closer than you think
I have very similar experience. Shortly put, went with friends of friends hiking, on a way back girl fall asleep next to me while on train. That was after being five years alone. I remember enjoying it quite a lot, since she was fairly cute and her hair smell nice. She also did whole lot of "from sleep" cuddling.
I remember sitting there, enjoying this little affection I did not enjoyed in years and then reminding myself that while this is extremely nice and that I am certainly touch-starved motherfricker, the potential relationship with her would also bring whole lot of shit I really don't want to deal with. So I sat there, caught in my own mind-trap, before I just settled on enjoying that nice part and being glad for it.
Thats a very lovely experience anon. "Touch starved mf" describes me well lol. This girl's hair smelled nice too.
I can relate to you not wanting to get involved into anything. Truth be told I've had opportunities during the dry years but didnt go for them cause of that, I just felt I it'd take away my time that I wanted to spend on working on myself and stuff. I wasnt happy with myself for a long time and that I wasnt attractive to the girls that I liked, so if I'd taken the opportunities it would feel dishonest and pityful to both myself and the girl. I'm aware that the years of solitude are because of my choice, I wanted to fix things about myself that were making me insecure and would ruin any relationship eventually. But also there was a fear of getting close and vulnerable that I had to admit, ie always thinking I have to become perfect until Im worthy of being with a girl, and then I wont have to reveal anything shameful. But thats not how it works, youre always human, thats why we're here for each other to support each other, no one goes into a relationship perfect. I had to learn that and accept myself more with made it easier to live. That being said to be vulnerable you do need to have a level of self esteem, felt competence and confidence, you still need to bring something to the table and improving yourself is great. But also accept yourself and learn to be vulnerable is what I learn
>it was nice sleeping on your head
I would unironically use this as opening line. Or better yet, call her out by saying something along the lines of "So you are the one who slept on my shoulder".
Truth is, if she was really into you, it doesn't really matter much what you say. She'll make it work. And vice versa.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Truth is, if she was really into you, it doesn't really matter much what you say.
NTA. Men focus too much on "saying the right thing". Nobody is gonna verbally convince a woman to like them anyway. I have no damn clue what I said to my wife when I met her. It's not important at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Truth is, if she was really into you, it doesn't really matter much what you say.
NTA. Men focus too much on "saying the right thing". Nobody is gonna verbally convince a woman to like them anyway. I have no damn clue what I said to my wife when I met her. It's not important at all.
I knew someone would quote that and say its a good opening line lol. Yeah it would be if there was literally anything established consciously between us but it was very surface leveled. It'd be very weird if I tried to bring the sleeping thing out into the spotlight, even though I know something was going on it was still too subtle and for her to go along with it she'd have to kinda "admit" very up-front that she was aware of it and enjoying it. It was what it was, too little of anything solid to go on from. If I really really wanted her I wouldn't give a shit, I'd find some way to slide in dms, but although she was cute by my taste, there were other girls on that trip I'd rather have gotten to know but didn't
I do agree though that what you say exactly isnt very important. It's what your words signal about who you are and what your underlying intent and vibe is. If you are grounded in yourself, not needy or anxious, calmly self-regulated internally, good vibe, the words you say will naturally align with that and more importantly, the way you say it with all the body language, intonation etc. will convey the underlying reality of you. Attractive inner traits will find their way into your behavior which will be signalled to the girl in so many channels, from words to inflection, intonation, body language, all of it. It's impossible to fake all of these thats why women smell your value easily. Naturally attractive men talk a certain way because of who they are; their inner world, confidence, etc naturally produce certain vibes and intents and mindsets which produce words and body language that are attractive. It's a whole stack of signals where words are just the top layer, and dudes that try to focus on the words miss the point of what even causes the right words as well as the other 95% of signals
There's also understanding women and knowing what to say at the right moment but that's a different topic and builds onto the foundation I described
I have very similar experience. Shortly put, went with friends of friends hiking, on a way back girl fall asleep next to me while on train. That was after being five years alone. I remember enjoying it quite a lot, since she was fairly cute and her hair smell nice. She also did whole lot of "from sleep" cuddling.
I remember sitting there, enjoying this little affection I did not enjoyed in years and then reminding myself that while this is extremely nice and that I am certainly touch-starved motherfricker, the potential relationship with her would also bring whole lot of shit I really don't want to deal with. So I sat there, caught in my own mind-trap, before I just settled on enjoying that nice part and being glad for it.
Neither have I before this bro. I've made out with girls but am a virgin. This was better than any of the makeouts I've had, just sweeter in a way, I guess cause it happened so innocently and out of nowhere. It was pretty beautiful.
And I wasn't supposed to go to that PrepHole trip at all, been a shut-in for a long time avoiding social stuff working on myself skills career improooving etc. It was out of my reality that it could happen, but it's just a mental block we have in our mind that makes it seem like something like that could never happen to us. If you can realise this BS mental fence is all in your head and closeness to people is just a few genuine words away, it melts this illusion of being so lonely and separate from everyone. In reality if you step out a bit among people into social situations, stuff can happen out of nowhere. It woke me up to definitely wanna get a lot more social in the near future, will try to go to more PrepHole trips with the same organization in the future etc, will literally make a list of social places I can start going to somewhat regularly.
Btw idk what your confidence/social skills level is, it can seem like I'm saying "jus b urself", just wanna say Ive been there in the worst of PrepHole-like mental headspaces and I still havent made it fully but its a lot damn better than it was, I went from being 100% shut-down in social situations to now being able to strike up a conversation with almost anyone if I really really want to, theres worse and better days but on the better ones it can be pretty great. It can take some improooving but of the legit kind, to be able to go out there and really be "just a few sentences away from making a new friend or potential partner". If you wanna hear the 1% of legit truth vs 99% of low quality self-improvement bs I had to sift thru to actually change something and improve my actual confidence and competence and self image, I'd love to share.
Thanks for the effortpost anon. My biggest issue is that I scarcely have any enthusiasm for people left, especially for anyone that I don't want to frick (aka not cute girls). I too can talk with anyone, but I fail to find people I can tune with or interest me. Sometimes, when I find them, they do not reciprocate and I end up investing with failing returns, and I get discouraged.
Back to what you were saying, more than sentences I think is the mental state/confidence/approach imo, and that's harder to change.
Btw the fact that a girl was ok sitting with you (or did you sit with her?) prompted the situation that wouldn't otherwise have happened. But yes there are moments that trascend the everyday monotony and in one of those I got my only kiss lol. It's not that it can't happen, the issue is to make it consistent
>more than sentences I think is the mental state/confidence/approach imo
Yep this is what I was trying to imply with my post if it didn't come across that well. My point was: it's more about the other 95% of communication besides the actual literal words (body language, how you carry yourself etc); but even if you realise that and then try to kinda manipulate your communication to try and be attractive, it doesn't work because 95% of your communication is subconscious and comes from subconscious behavior, which in turn comes from your inner self, who you are at your core, your true character and personality. So it's: your core self -> behavior -> communication. When you realise this you start focusing on making true change on your core self so that attractive behavior and communication naturally arise. If you try to take a conscious manipulative approach and fake that top layer of communication, girls notice easily that you're not who you're trying to pretend to be and it's an instant turnoff and shows that you're basically trying to lie about who you are to get her. This is why "jus b urself" is true but hard to grasp logically and even harder to actually embody it. Instead of "just be yourself" it should be "put in effort to change and improve your core character, personality, life etc. so that when you're just being yourself, you're actually attractive and don't have to try and fake anything which doesn't work anyway".
>that's harder to change
True. I'll tell u how I did it if you're interest
>the fact that a girl was ok sitting with you (or did you sit with her?) prompted the situation that wouldn't otherwise have happened
I sat with her but it was only seat left. Yes it's true but me deciding to go out to a social trip was not accidental, it was a conscious choice. So I DID do something that increased the chances of it happening, which is the whole point. If I did it 5x as often and then tried to talk to 5x as many girls imagine the possibilities.
i'm interested if you've got more advice. you write well and make sense
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hard to summarize this into 1 post as its a big topic but I'll try
So as explained already, one should avoid the alluring trap of trying to manipulate behavior and communication; instead focus on self transformation so you become a naturally attractive man with a proper core character, principles, values, integrity, virtue, competence, skills. This is the gist.
Imo 90% of success with girls is not by direct efforts ie approaching 10s and 100s of girls to learn how to tall to them (which pickup guys advocate with varying success. yes actual talking to girls to practice is needed too but is a much smaller part than building your core self, and will be made much easier by it.). Becoming an actual attractive man is done through the indirect route, which is working on yourself and getting to a point where you're not doing anything when talking to people yet you are being very attractive. To get women, dont focus on them, focus on yourself. The question now is, how to do this.
Internet and self help books are full of mediocre and shitty advice on this. Its often touted like some revolutionary new thing, some new method to become confident or whatnot etc.
In reality the truth about how to become a great man has been so important to mankind forever. Its no accident that religious texts and old wisdom are full of descriptions on how to be, how not to be, how the world works and how to align with it, etc. Both atheist evolutionary biologists and believers will agree that this was vital for our survival and thriving.
In short, the most on-point stuff on how to be is in old books and new books that talk about old wisdom. A lot of psychology too is on point when understood in proper context.
So where to look for good advice? Modern self help books? Nope. Spiritual/religious legacy and psychology? Yes. The latter are built on good accurate models of reality, thats why they've worked for milennia (psy. is ~150 years old but a lot of it is good and helpful.
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2 years ago
Anonymous
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Lets get to the meat of how this works. Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, older men to teach you and raise you into a man, teach you about the world and meaning etc, you'll have to seek this out yourself. Even this notion of "losing the father and going to find him" was apparently such an important and common theme to mankind that it's in stories that might be even 10,000 years old, and have survived to this day.
The process of truly changing your core self is:
1. Finding sources of the truth about what makes a great man & human in general
2. Studying it and building an understanding of that truth - this will give you your own worldview built on sound principles of reality, and will give you your value system too automatically, which is important
3. Figuring out how this truth applies to you and your life
4. Using all that knowledge to build a new way of life, i.e. a daily and weekly routine full of habits tat will get you to start changing and shifting even the deepest hardest to change aspects of yourself into a better direction
5. Sticking to it as consistently as you can, getting back up when you fall off track, making learning from your mistakes and adjusting
I could write a chapter on each step, they're all distinct and very important. But this is the gist. And its not even about women, when you start going down this path you find that the old you which was so obsessed with trying to get a girl to like you was very much rooted in insecurity and lack of inner self-validation. At that point you have a much healthier inner relationship to women and are not needy in the way you were, youre more independent, "yourself", more a man, and women sense that on a bone deep level and want to go with you wherever it is you're going. See how that works? You focus on your core self, on becoming a great man and human, and that handles almost everything else by itself
2 years ago
Anonymous
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These steps are a neverending process as long as you're alive. As you work through them, what you're basically doing is building a solid proper knowledge and value system based on good models of reality provided imo best by religious/spiritual traditions & psychology, and then adhering to this value system as much as possible especially by doing things regularly that change who you are, that transform you. It takes time and repetition, consistently, to change a human being especially on a deep level. This is how real transformation can be made, yes in short-term humans are slow to change but long term we are malleable like you wouldnt believe, we can transform even the deepest levels of ourselves with enough dedication.
As you change your deepest parts of yourself, you open up to new perception of the world you didnt have before which feeds back into that step 1. You gain a whole new understanding.
Yes what I'm claiming is that a socially shut-down KHHV could take up this path and change so much to where his own mother couldnt recognise him. It'd take consistency, patience, time and sticking to it long enough. I went a long long way from being so fricked in the head I couldnt hold a simple conversation and still be convulsing in stress hormones. And this is really how I did it, just an honest approach to figuring out whats really the truth out of all the BS and making a simple plan of action based on it and sticking to it and see minimum or no results and go all over again until I found good sources of truth and learned how to really apply it and stick to it long enough.
What this all looks like irl for me is:
- daily religious practice and prayer
- daoist meditation, stretching etc to keep me grounded and embodied and clear emotional BS
- listening to audiobooks daily to feed Step 1
- training 3x a week
- daily working towards life purpose goals I've set
Knowing who you are & where you're going = true confidence
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cont
Lets get to the meat of how this works. Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, older men to teach you and raise you into a man, teach you about the world and meaning etc, you'll have to seek this out yourself. Even this notion of "losing the father and going to find him" was apparently such an important and common theme to mankind that it's in stories that might be even 10,000 years old, and have survived to this day.
The process of truly changing your core self is:
1. Finding sources of the truth about what makes a great man & human in general
2. Studying it and building an understanding of that truth - this will give you your own worldview built on sound principles of reality, and will give you your value system too automatically, which is important
3. Figuring out how this truth applies to you and your life
4. Using all that knowledge to build a new way of life, i.e. a daily and weekly routine full of habits tat will get you to start changing and shifting even the deepest hardest to change aspects of yourself into a better direction
5. Sticking to it as consistently as you can, getting back up when you fall off track, making learning from your mistakes and adjusting
I could write a chapter on each step, they're all distinct and very important. But this is the gist. And its not even about women, when you start going down this path you find that the old you which was so obsessed with trying to get a girl to like you was very much rooted in insecurity and lack of inner self-validation. At that point you have a much healthier inner relationship to women and are not needy in the way you were, youre more independent, "yourself", more a man, and women sense that on a bone deep level and want to go with you wherever it is you're going. See how that works? You focus on your core self, on becoming a great man and human, and that handles almost everything else by itself
Based effortposter. I'm gonna add a bit to the subject. >To get women, [...] focus on yourself. >Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, [...] you'll have to seek this out yourself.
This is really important for young men to figure out as early as possible.
If any of you are interested in biology and zoology, a lot of sexual dynamics are easily understood once you understand enough of the different evolutionary pressures that have molded us into what we have respectively become. I think the based effortposter here is correct in aiming for more traditional literature for self-improvement, but modern scientific research (actual science, not The Science, and definitely not I Fricking Love Science) actually gives a ton of insights into masculine and feminine motivations in a way that is relatively easily understood by the modern (ie. materialist) mind. Avoid sociology and even anthropology though, those fields are full of feminist commies pushing their nonsensical agenda. Literally just looking at the chimp cage at the zoo gives you a better understanding of sexual dynamics than modernity. You can also deduce a lot by simply visualizing life as a hunter-gatherer, which is what we are born to be. >Finding sources of the truth
For me, this was fully acknowledging that our place is in nature, not raised above it. Thus, observing nature tells me what I need to know. I lead my household, not because I particularly wish to lord over my wife, but because there is no equality in nature, so how could there be any in us?
As always, I recommend reading the poetry and wisdom of your own actual ancestors. Child-sacrificing religions are probably great for troglodytes who live in enmity with their harsh environment, and sun-worship is great for Teutons who rotate from wet autumn to the dark of winter to flowery spring and warm summer - yet neither is a good fit for the other.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree very much, when I mentioned psychology I included (at least in my own mind) evolutionary psychology which connects a lot with biology and zoology. Any legit model of how we function is great and I've used evol. psychology a lot to understand us. Especially in modern times where every norm of how we've lived for milennia has broken down into insanity, it's important to understand the animal side of how we function but also the higher side of us oriented towards the transcendental to make sense of it all again and reintegrate ourselves internally and our families at least, then hopefully our communities, I don't dare mention society as a whole.
I have to point out that personally I'm religious & spiritual (although to me there's no real conflict between this and science). The way I see religion and spirituality is I do believe there's a transcendental force that governs reality and most religions come from people like prophets and buddhas who have gained significant experience and insight of this fundamental force and shared this deepest insight with their people, thus aligning society with this utter truth that's almost beyond words. I also believe that there were people who made up their own deities situationally, in absence of much transcendental understanding. Thus I don't subscribe to the evolutionary idea that all religions were just a function of whatever was most useful to survival. Some were but I think others touched upon something much more profound, and I believe the closest a human can reach perfection is proportional to how much they can reach/align with this fundamental force (Dao as Daoists call it), whether they recognise it as a real thing or not. In my experience - to bring it back to meeting women - it has made me centered, mentally and bodily grounded, embodied, observant, humble, peaceful, calmer in bad situations, less fearful, overall much more confident and less needy for anyone's approval
2 years ago
Anonymous
I pretty much agree with your whole post, and have had a similar experience with becoming more grounded.
Evolutionary psychology is fascinating, and none of this contradicts my religious beliefs either. I'm not so simple minded to think that all of my ancestors' songs were to be taken literally - I believe the gods represent different things within their overall "theme" depending on the context of the story. I'm Germanic, so I primarily study Germanic (pre-Semitic, obviously) texts for spiritual wisdom and forgotten truths, but I guess now I have to add Daoism to the list of things to check out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cont
Lets get to the meat of how this works. Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, older men to teach you and raise you into a man, teach you about the world and meaning etc, you'll have to seek this out yourself. Even this notion of "losing the father and going to find him" was apparently such an important and common theme to mankind that it's in stories that might be even 10,000 years old, and have survived to this day.
The process of truly changing your core self is:
1. Finding sources of the truth about what makes a great man & human in general
2. Studying it and building an understanding of that truth - this will give you your own worldview built on sound principles of reality, and will give you your value system too automatically, which is important
3. Figuring out how this truth applies to you and your life
4. Using all that knowledge to build a new way of life, i.e. a daily and weekly routine full of habits tat will get you to start changing and shifting even the deepest hardest to change aspects of yourself into a better direction
5. Sticking to it as consistently as you can, getting back up when you fall off track, making learning from your mistakes and adjusting
I could write a chapter on each step, they're all distinct and very important. But this is the gist. And its not even about women, when you start going down this path you find that the old you which was so obsessed with trying to get a girl to like you was very much rooted in insecurity and lack of inner self-validation. At that point you have a much healthier inner relationship to women and are not needy in the way you were, youre more independent, "yourself", more a man, and women sense that on a bone deep level and want to go with you wherever it is you're going. See how that works? You focus on your core self, on becoming a great man and human, and that handles almost everything else by itself
Cont
These steps are a neverending process as long as you're alive. As you work through them, what you're basically doing is building a solid proper knowledge and value system based on good models of reality provided imo best by religious/spiritual traditions & psychology, and then adhering to this value system as much as possible especially by doing things regularly that change who you are, that transform you. It takes time and repetition, consistently, to change a human being especially on a deep level. This is how real transformation can be made, yes in short-term humans are slow to change but long term we are malleable like you wouldnt believe, we can transform even the deepest levels of ourselves with enough dedication.
As you change your deepest parts of yourself, you open up to new perception of the world you didnt have before which feeds back into that step 1. You gain a whole new understanding.
Yes what I'm claiming is that a socially shut-down KHHV could take up this path and change so much to where his own mother couldnt recognise him. It'd take consistency, patience, time and sticking to it long enough. I went a long long way from being so fricked in the head I couldnt hold a simple conversation and still be convulsing in stress hormones. And this is really how I did it, just an honest approach to figuring out whats really the truth out of all the BS and making a simple plan of action based on it and sticking to it and see minimum or no results and go all over again until I found good sources of truth and learned how to really apply it and stick to it long enough.
What this all looks like irl for me is:
- daily religious practice and prayer
- daoist meditation, stretching etc to keep me grounded and embodied and clear emotional BS
- listening to audiobooks daily to feed Step 1
- training 3x a week
- daily working towards life purpose goals I've set
Knowing who you are & where you're going = true confidence
Appreciated it anon, seems based
[...]
Based effortposter. I'm gonna add a bit to the subject. >To get women, [...] focus on yourself. >Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, [...] you'll have to seek this out yourself.
This is really important for young men to figure out as early as possible.
If any of you are interested in biology and zoology, a lot of sexual dynamics are easily understood once you understand enough of the different evolutionary pressures that have molded us into what we have respectively become. I think the based effortposter here is correct in aiming for more traditional literature for self-improvement, but modern scientific research (actual science, not The Science, and definitely not I Fricking Love Science) actually gives a ton of insights into masculine and feminine motivations in a way that is relatively easily understood by the modern (ie. materialist) mind. Avoid sociology and even anthropology though, those fields are full of feminist commies pushing their nonsensical agenda. Literally just looking at the chimp cage at the zoo gives you a better understanding of sexual dynamics than modernity. You can also deduce a lot by simply visualizing life as a hunter-gatherer, which is what we are born to be. >Finding sources of the truth
For me, this was fully acknowledging that our place is in nature, not raised above it. Thus, observing nature tells me what I need to know. I lead my household, not because I particularly wish to lord over my wife, but because there is no equality in nature, so how could there be any in us?
As always, I recommend reading the poetry and wisdom of your own actual ancestors. Child-sacrificing religions are probably great for troglodytes who live in enmity with their harsh environment, and sun-worship is great for Teutons who rotate from wet autumn to the dark of winter to flowery spring and warm summer - yet neither is a good fit for the other.
Cool post as well. Screencapping everything
I always had a hint of what to do and tried daily meditation but without much motivation really. Working out is ofc one of the prime ways of getting a man out of depression and in that I've been consistent in some periods of my life.
Don't get me wrong, I will immediately start following your routine enthusiastically.
What is your stance on social life? How does it fit in your theory?
I don't mind being alone but sometimes its harsh
(Btw I'm enjoying how slow this board is and the fact that this convo is lasting days)
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm this guy
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Based effortposter. I'm gonna add a bit to the subject. >To get women, [...] focus on yourself. >Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, [...] you'll have to seek this out yourself.
This is really important for young men to figure out as early as possible.
If any of you are interested in biology and zoology, a lot of sexual dynamics are easily understood once you understand enough of the different evolutionary pressures that have molded us into what we have respectively become. I think the based effortposter here is correct in aiming for more traditional literature for self-improvement, but modern scientific research (actual science, not The Science, and definitely not I Fricking Love Science) actually gives a ton of insights into masculine and feminine motivations in a way that is relatively easily understood by the modern (ie. materialist) mind. Avoid sociology and even anthropology though, those fields are full of feminist commies pushing their nonsensical agenda. Literally just looking at the chimp cage at the zoo gives you a better understanding of sexual dynamics than modernity. You can also deduce a lot by simply visualizing life as a hunter-gatherer, which is what we are born to be. >Finding sources of the truth
For me, this was fully acknowledging that our place is in nature, not raised above it. Thus, observing nature tells me what I need to know. I lead my household, not because I particularly wish to lord over my wife, but because there is no equality in nature, so how could there be any in us?
As always, I recommend reading the poetry and wisdom of your own actual ancestors. Child-sacrificing religions are probably great for troglodytes who live in enmity with their harsh environment, and sun-worship is great for Teutons who rotate from wet autumn to the dark of winter to flowery spring and warm summer - yet neither is a good fit for the other.
I pretty much agree with your whole post, and have had a similar experience with becoming more grounded.
Evolutionary psychology is fascinating, and none of this contradicts my religious beliefs either. I'm not so simple minded to think that all of my ancestors' songs were to be taken literally - I believe the gods represent different things within their overall "theme" depending on the context of the story. I'm Germanic, so I primarily study Germanic (pre-Semitic, obviously) texts for spiritual wisdom and forgotten truths, but I guess now I have to add Daoism to the list of things to check out.
, not Dao-anon >social life
I recommend the Havamal (don't I always, kek) for guidelines on how to act around other people. Get the Crawford translation.
In short: be suspicious as hell of strangers but don't be unnecessarily hostile, treat your close friends as well as you possibly can, and repay treachery with treachery and vengeance.
The advice of Dao-anon will also make you more "attractive" to men. If you are a more put together guy, other men will gravitate towards you and want to be friends. The more squared away you are, the higher quality men will want to spend time around you. A little while ago, in a large social setting, I ended up chatting with a fighterplane test pilot because everybody else there was an effeminate sperg. We each recognized that the other was better than the mob of basedjacks, and actively sought each other out - I felt it, and he even said as much out loud. I think male friendship is extremely important, and heavily suppressed in modernity, in part due to the rampant sex addiction and degeneracy that makes normal healthy men suspicious of male attention, out of concern for having to deal with homosexualry. I served in the military, so that helped me learn to bond properly with males.
If I were to start from scratch at a young age, I'd pursue an activity (or job/career/whatever) like that to find likeminded friends - could be hunting, sailing, etc. A lot of activities will naturally filter out degenerates and morons and don't appeal to women (or cannot really be performed by women). Those are the activities you want to seek out. They are usually dangerous, painful and/or require patience.
Oh, and don't be friends with women or children. That's a completely moronic waste of time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not finding time to properly write a reply but I havent forgotten about you anon. Will write as soon as I can, I hope the thread doesnt die soon
2 years ago
Anonymous
All good you already shared a lot of valuable stuff
Actually, she wouldn't mind if something happens and her friend also knows that. And the friend is happily engaged herself. So we spend week or two in a year hiking.
Met my current gf on the AT, we were both thru hiking. Once we finished I contacted her and turns out she lives in the next town over, we've been dating since. She's a badass. probably gonna wife her
>be chunky teenager ten years ago >go on weekend camping trip with a few friends, with one of their half-sister's groups of friends, all of them from a catholic school (five in their group, four in ours) >fun trip, a lot of swimming >go to bed first night >one of friends of friend's sister crawls into my tent, a tiny skinny girl >"Not here to do anything with you. But I want your warmth." >"Ok.jpg" >curls up next to me and we fall asleep >Next morning "You don't smell and you didn't try anything, so i'll be back tonight." >entire trip we just cuddle to sleep with me as her heat buddy, never do anything sexy
Overall kinda nice being used as a piece of meat for some rich girl.
She was really nice it was just an odd exchange. I think she was one of those girls who always went to girls only schools. I should clarify we did talk and interact that day before she popped into my tent. There was a dock on the lake and I was standing on the dock while she and my boys were jumping off my shoulders (i'm 6'6") into the water when we were swimming. My one friend (not the one with the half-sister) thought for years we fricked but I kept telling him we didn't do anything.
I recently took my gf on her first camping trip, she's from the city and I grew up in a rural town, I'm also fairly inexperienced but not a complete newbie as I'd spent plenty of time on the piss with the mates by a campfire in my youth. >leave way too late from my house >campsite was packed as it was a long weekend, drive around and thankfully find a spot that wasn't a designated campsite but obviously had been used plenty >vaguely concerned because I didn't want a zealous ranger coming in the evening and giving us a move on request, wasn't an issue tho >make campfire with purchased wood that wasn't quite seasoned well enough, wasn't totally happy with fire but was enough >pass the time chatting, she's a little bored but like it's camping and dark what do you want >eat some canned stew and snackies, it's nice >have a couple of wines and smoke rollie ciggies >eventually retire for the night >using a blow up mattress but forgot to bring insulation under so the cold came up in the early morning, wasn't too bad but definitely chilly, ended up squeezing into my sleeping bag after putting some clothes on and we were comfy >got a hand job and fooled around in the morning, she pee'd a little when I ate her out lol >made some sausages and potatoes after starting a second fire, warm in the sun >packed up and did some site seeing, went home that evening instead of doing a second camp at my suggestion >overall she didn't mind it and is happy to go again
Since she didn't have any gear other than a cheap sleeping bag and I only have gear for one we had to do a bit of a shop on the cheap the day before and in hindsight it was probably a touch too cold to cheap out on sleeping gear, late spring would have been much more comfortable. Next time I'll be a bit more prepared for two and I'm sure she'll have a ripper time 🙂
>take cute "outdoorsy" weed girl on a hiking date >she brings her "travel companion" pug (30lbs) and teacup chihuahua because they're her outdoor buddies, she goes camping with them all the time! It's fine! 🙂 >she brings a literal backpack full of food, drinks, and weed for a 2 mile hike down an established trail to take some subset pictures at a place I told her about >makes me carry the bag so she can handle the dogs >0.25 miles down the trail (took about half an hour because she kept stopping to smoke weed and wrangle the dogs), the dogs have officially 100% crapped out and keep flopping into every patch of shade they see and panting heavily >she gives me the (angry) teacup chihuahua and carries the pug and keeps complaining about how heavy it is till I offer to switch just to get her to shut the frick up >she runs out of water 0.5 miles down the trail and decides it's an emergency and that we need to turn back even though there's a campsite just up ahead with water spigots (b-but it's not filtered!) >turn back and eventually get to the car after a second pot smoking session and two more rest stops >end up going back to her house >she continuously rips a bong while we watch Alaska documentaries and she talks about how much she loves the outdoors
Seriously, never take women outside. If society collapses and we are forced to return to nature, I'm convinced that most women will just straight up die and get a bunch of men killed in the process.
Yeah. A lot of the bad experiences ITT seem to come from the posters' idea that all women are potentially enjoyable, and thus worth giving a shot. Young men are just utterly useless at choosing a woman for any qualities beyond physical attractiveness and "she's paying attention to me". >t. formerly young man
Oh, friend, I didn't mean to imply that those two things were bad. They are absolutely essential. My point is that young men should add more prerequisites than just those two, and be a bit more holistically minded. Take a 9 that cooks and cleans instead of a 10 that is a lazy c**t.
Yeah. A lot of the bad experiences ITT seem to come from the posters' idea that all women are potentially enjoyable, and thus worth giving a shot. Young men are just utterly useless at choosing a woman for any qualities beyond physical attractiveness and "she's paying attention to me". >t. formerly young man
>self identifies as "outdoorsy"
What that actually means is >Likes to smoke weed and watch nature documentaries >Went for a walk in the park once
Sounds like 90% of this board. Is she, dare I say, /our/girl?
>soon after moving in with my gf she mentions Big Bend because some of her coworkers talked about it, is super excited to go >she's never been camping, explain to her that a long backpacking trip in the desert is not easy for a beginner >she says that's fine, we should practice first >borrow a tent from a friend, do an easy weekend trip at a fairly developed site >she absolutely loves it despite rain the whole time >buy some gear and do several more weekend trips >shitting in the woods, backpacking food, inclement weather, and bears don't phase her at all >go out to Big Bend and average 15 miles a day for a week in 100 degree weather >zero complaints from her and constant childlike wonder at everything >right before a visit back to my hometown she spontaneously suggested a very fun backpacking trip I was able to go on with her, my brother, and best friend >just got scuba certified with her and have planned a big hiking and scuba trip in HI
Very pleasantly surprised, my friends cautioned me against backpacking with women but it's honestly been pretty great. I moved across the country with her and left all my PrepHoleist friends (that own all the gear) behind, so happy that I'm able to do it even more now. Pic rel, us at big bend
Old gf would lik to frick on our backpacking trips. >set up camp >eat >drink, smoke >zip the sleeping bags togeyher and screw to keep warm.
She was a ranger though, so good luck
> be me > be femanon new bf has intresting hobby > he does buckskinning/fur trade/early American reenacting > come over to his house one day > bf is "braintanning" a deer hide > the deer? Shot with his smoothbore musket yesterday > guy used almost every part and piece of that animal. > genuinely impressed > takes me to a "Rendezvous" > meet super nice people who answer all of my stupid questions without hesitation > get fascinated by history of early America > learn some leather sewing techniques from some of the girls > make a tobbaco pouch and neck knife sheeth for bf > bf loves them
>invited to another Rendezvous a few weeks later > bf suprises me with a deer hide skirt with trade silver broaches pinned to it. > its from the deer he braintanned himself > still dating 3 years later
with my gf all the time
first time PrepHole for 2 days
>early autumn
>told her to pack a a thicker jacket
>on starting day it was warmer than expected, so she repacked in the car
>got colder in the evening
>we paused to get our fleece out
>turns out she ditched every jacket and just one winter jacket with her
>walked around with no shirt / pullover and only her jacket for the rest of the day
winter jackets are actually op. some of them are so good you can wear it on top of a plain t-shirt and still feel warm.
Yeah, I was just surprised on her clothing choices at this moment
but it was kinda clever
Uf pro OL3 jacket
No. My wife is a princess and refuses to go out. She won't camp. She won't shit outside. She has birthed 3 children so she can do whatever she wants. I take my son's out.
based reasonable anon. I really hope those kids are yours though
Yeah, I am atm
Doing the GR30 in France currently
>she cried the first day because there was a steep climb and it was 30°C outside + first day of her period, still managed to go through it
>we set up camp near a lake, she loves it
>at 11pm some basedboy and her fatty gf came near our tent, pointed their light in our direction and started speaking loudly
>they set up in a hammock
>gf immediately started berating the shit out of them while pointing a 1000 lumen light right in their faces while I was still half asleep
>they left
>she follows my advice and does pretty well with the hike and camping
>doesn't mind shitting in the woods
Pretty comfy
Time to wife
>doesn't mind shitting in the woods
girls don't poop anon
>Go PrepHole with gf
>We're bot fit and actually get along together
>We enjoy a day in nature and come back home
I don't know what is it with the hate towards women lately but trolling aside it's either incels or people who lack the self steem to select a partner and just conform with the first chick that touches them in the peepee and then try to make it work and come crying because muh gf is not who I thought she was/women are inferior
Case in point, this guy knows
How to find an PrepHole gf?
Also you are fortunate enough to be fit and not depressed. I seem to be unable to gain weight.
Yes, all the time. My gf unironically has better first aid and navigation skills than I do.
>took gf on short hike/camp in Manistee national forest
>only about a 4 mile hike to the camping spot
>she carried her own bags
>didn’t complain
>we drank whisky and shot my 357 magnum
>she never shot a gun before and really enjoyed it
>at night I told her such a scary story that I had to walk with her to the bathroom
>snuggled up on the chilly night and got good sleep
>woke up refreshed, explored more as we hiked out
She’s my wife now btw
tell us the scary story
one time OP was a homosexual
Just one time?
No don't anon, you know I'm scared of the dark and you'll have to walk with me to the bathroom
capable,not whiny not setting you back,congrats,a good choice a good wife
OP here. I expected some women-hating greentexts, got comfy wife stories instead. I guess I'm not incel anymore. Thanks, PrepHole.
Visited a friend, we went for a hike. I was also in a scout type group that was mixed as a kid.
>Early summer
>Go to trail. Supposed to be some dwellings carved into mountain.
>She claims she hikes often and is active
>Close to mid day and it's getting hot
>She starts asking if I want to go back about halfway and other hints
>We keep walking, can finally see it
>She continues to ask if want to go back
>Frick it, obviously doesn't want to go any further
>Walk back. Go home
All in all not a bad day.
Went out with my gf to do Eagle Rock Loop once
>Hey make sure you take this big heavy sleeping bag elsewise you’ll be freezing
>It’s heavy and bulky, I don’t wanna
>Well okay you can chance it with a lighter bag but it’s not gonna be fun
>Gets down to 15F that night
>Guess who was desperately shivering in the lightweight bag and trying to keep the fire warm enough for my toes not to freeze off all night
Yeah, next time she’s carrying what I tell her to. Not that I’ve gone again with her yet.
who was desperately shivering in the lightweight bag and trying to keep the fire warm enough for my toes not to freeze off all night
The future cuckold who bailed her out of the consequences of her own actions
lol did you really just come up with a fake story to "pwn" the ultralighters who live in your schizo mind?
"lightweight bag cold heavy bag warm" isn't how down works https://www.switchbacktravel.com/down-fill-insulation-explained
the girlfriend is imaginary too.
I'm an UL homosexual and my warmer quilts are heavier because they use more down moron
I had a fairly nice synthetic marmot for myself, and then several massive and heavy Coleman (or something, can’t remember and don’t care to find them) bags that weren’t suited for backpacking but also didn’t cost me anything.
Also colder temp rating bags are always heavier, I said nothing about ultralighters, and you are a moron and a Black person.
What the frick?? You let a WOMAN be responsible for your essential gear?
I thought you were about to say she was in her own bag and got what she deserved, but then
>For MY toes
You deserved that cold night you pushover
tent smells like unwashed vegana and cheesy feet
God, imagining that smell makes me diamonds Tbh.
cute
Does menstruation really attract bears?
This. Also not that poster. This is a very plausible story.
I have 5 or 6 different bags. I got a couple as presents, I found one at a thrift store for cheap and the others I bought over the years. I have multiple pairs of hiking boots and probably 100 different MREs in my closet. No idea why some anons think it's hard to believe that people amass multiple pieces of one gear item
My wife comes with me on like 90% of my outings. She's wasn't necessarily into backpacking / hiking / camping before we met, but she's an ecology / botany autist and so that intersects with PrepHole enough that she's motivated enough for most trips, even when there's some "type 2 fun" involved. It's pretty obvious we go PrepHole for different reasons though - she really is a little autistic and doesn't seem to get much out of epic vistas from the summit or a beautiful sunset on the lake, but she'll go nuts for some rare plant or bug she finds along the trail. The only trips she doesn't really have a lot of interest in are winter trips where we'd be going somewhere covered in snow because there's no plants / everything is dead or dormant. She also doesn't really like snowshoeing. I think that's mostly cause she's 4'11" and even buying her the smallest women's-specific snowshoes, they don't really work well on her. I've kvetched about this before on PrepHole, but it's a real challenge to find quality gear for small women.
I don't really have a ton of interesting greentext stories. I know this is probably what 99% of guys here want to hear about, but despite having a double sleeping bag (Big Agnes King Solomon), we don't really frick in the back country. On our honeymoon we hiked the Kalalau Trail and she gave me a boob job. We have a good sex life otherwise, I just think we both feel like fricking in the back country is a bit messy.
whats type 2 fun?
It's when something sucks in the moment, but you look back on it as a positive experience. You hear the term more in the mountaineer / alpinist community - shit like having to bivouac unexpectedly and spend a miserable night freezing your ass off, but when it's over, it's a cool story and you're glad you tried. Basically, anything that sucks but you live through with all your fingers and toes
ooh yeah i definetly get that
>doesn't seem to get much out of epic vistas from the summit or a beautiful sunset on the lake
Why is this so common with women? My gf is practically blind to vistas/sunsets/wide landscapes, it's like they don't even register in her mind. She isn't stupid or anything of the sort, but she behaves so strange about it, the last time I pointed it out she was like "it's just some trees"
Maybe I'm the autist
women focus on the minutia. men, the bigger picture.
Yes.
And I sexed her.
Good times.
I've posted this before but will do again in more detail as it's the only PrepHole story I have with other people that didn't end in disaster.
>Be me
>Regularly goes solo camping since groups suck
>At the bar one night with friends and coworkers
>Tell the group I'm going on a solo trip next week
>Sometime later a friend of a coworker comes up to me and begs me to take her as well
>We've met a few times but didn't really take to much notice
>She has a cute face, very chubby but not massive, like pic related
>Tell her how much walking and physical work it will be
>Doesn't phase her and offers to buy supplies, food etc.
>Whatever, decide to take her as she keeps pressing the issue
>Wait whole week expecting her to cancel
>Day of the camp, she's still up for it
>I picked her up as she doesn't drive
>Still completely cool with going
>We park up and start walking
>She carries her fair share, no issues, no complains, just good conversation
>She was happy, bubbly and genuinely having a good time
>I think I like her
>Set up camp and got a fire going
>She products a big bottle of whiskey
>Am impressed she carried it
>Frick yeah time to get drunk!!
>We drank, talked and eventually frick each others brains out
>Nothing like fricking around a camp fire under the stars
>I came inside her while squeezing her huge breasts
>After sex she admitted to being really hungry so I cooked some food
>We hadn't eaten all day and were pretty drunk
>Fricked again later that night
>The next morning we fricked again, still kinda drunk
>Nothing like fricking while the sun is rising with dew on the grass
>Cooked some more food, slept some more then headed home
I would say that she was only interested in going PrepHole with me just to frick but we've done it alot since then and it's been a few years, though recently not so much as I made her a mother and wife.
doobt
Heh, yea, at least this guy was honest
It's not that hard to find women who are into PrepHole shit, or at least not as hard as PrepHole seems to think it is. Finding women who are into this shit is easier than, for instance, finding a gamer chick. As long as you aren't on some camo wearing survivalist LARP. Most chicks I've met like hiking and camping and even backpacking.
But most women aren't going to suck your dick in the back country, any more than they would in a public restroom. Yea sure, there are chicks who do that shit, but not many.
>But most women aren't going to suck your dick in the back country, any more than they would in a public restroom.
That hasn't been my experience at all. Literally every time I've taken a girl I was dating or interested in camping it's ended with us fricking.
camping, or backpacking? My wife and I sometimes frick when car camping. It's only when we're on some "mission" in the backcountry, where we're usually pretty sweaty / bonked at the end of each day, with camp chores / etc to do, and generally focused on things other than sex.
I also get the sense that almost nobody ITT has gone out with an independently competent backpacker / outdoor adventure chick. It's mostly cum-brained thots they "carried along" on some casual first-time outing.
>camping, or backpacking?
Either one. Mostly I was thinking of the chicks at uni where we'd go car camping or relatively easy 1-2 night hikes. It was always "omg it's so romantic / the sky is so clear out here / you looked so hot under that waterfall - fugg me pls".
My wife's the only chick I've taken on serious backcountry trips and going PrepHole seems to be a turn on for her so unless we're seriously tired then we'll usually get up to something.
>I also get the sense that almost nobody ITT has gone out with an independently competent backpacker / outdoor adventure chick. It's mostly cum-brained thots they "carried along" on some casual first-time outing.
Oh for sure. I've met two girls in my life that I'd consider reasonably competent PrepHoleists and I married one of them.
Something I've noticed, in this thread and others like it, is PrepHole seems to have way more married people than pretty much any other board.
When it comes to hobbies, PrepHoleing is one that will filter people who aren't your type pretty quickly
I'm guessing that outdoorsmanship is, despite all the horror stories here, a more woman-friendly hobby than most other PrepHole niche hobbies (guns, politics, anime) not to mention healthier and more likely to make you attractive to the opposite sex. Or maybe I'm just tooting my own horn.
Nah, you're good. We're all 6'4" blue-eyed healthy gigachads on this board.
>aren't on some camo wearing survivalist LARP
>mfw has camo wearing survivalist gf
OK be honest. Is that Ruby Ridge?
THEY WONT TAK OUR TARDWIFES
Believe what you want, I do have another story with an ex that was a complete fricking train wreck.
if she was that fat before you married her and had kids, how fat is she now?
About the same, she put on some weight then lost it, we eat pretty healthy. She comes from a whole family of shortstack chubbers, even the men, I'm the only outlier making me the tallest. Sometimes I sit a wonder how everyone in that family managed to find someone else with the same height and build.
>Sometimes I sit a wonder how everyone in that family managed to find someone else with the same height and build.
Actually there's a lot of data that shows people tend to pair up with physically similar people. Relationships where one partner is way more attractive / thinner / fitter, etc, tend to not work out. Adjusted for hypergamy in heterosexual relationships, of course.
I’m jealous
That's not chubby that's fat
Fine still makes my dick hard
Post the other story anon if you haven't already. Told your story to my wife and she now wants to frick in the woods.
Amen brother, almost all of my outings involving other people, aside that one, are a fricking catastrophe so not sure what you mean by other story, maybe this?
No one who has an anime image called "I love grabbing her tiddies" saved anywhere will ever find love, stop kidding yourself, anon, and stop lying to us
>very chubby but not massive, like pic related
>>>>>>not massive, like pic related
bait
do you have a non shopped version of this? for you know, research purposes.
it seems shopped but isnt
look closely (more closely) at the left ass cheek, that was airbrushed and altered anon.
>be me
>go PrepHole with female friend
>actually not that different compared to going out with a male friend
yeah
this is why i hike alone
How many people to take with you depends on the mood i guess.
>As long as you aren't on some camo wearing survivalist LARP
frick
Are you not fricking your female camping buddies? It is like 100% chance of sex. It is more or less like inviting a girl to your hotel room. Knowing how to set up a mosquito net well will get you laid proper.
>Have you ever went PrepHole with a female? Greentext your experience.
God I wish.... I wish I could have a female on one of my hikes through the forest, there is so many neat things to witness and I don't have somebody to share them with. Even when I was in relationships, the girls were not the kind that liked outdoors and lots of physical activity.
>went on a few dates with girl in Seattle
>she's a complete urbanite, never went camping even as a kid, never been outside the limits of a city before except in a car
>convinced her to go on an overnighter with me in the Cascades
>just tell her to bring a change of clothes, a water source, and decent shoes and that I'd take care of the rest
>picked a pretty decent little trail I knew with about 1300 feet of gain over 5ish miles, short enough that we could turn around at the top and leave if she absolutely hated it because I had absolutely no idea how this would go
>when I picked her up she was wearing sandals, skinny jeans and some cheap crummy backpack that looked like it was about to fall apart
>remember thinking to myself, "this was a stupid idea"
>but no, once start moving she's super excited about everything the whole time, pointing out every waterfall and big rock and cool looking tree like that basedjack meme with me going "I know! Pretty cool, huh?" cause it's all totally new to her
>when we make camp she turns into a feral little bushcraft autist obsessed with the campfire, with cooking over a fire and trying to make shit out of sticks and Paracord
>she even convinces me to call in sick to work so we can stay out an extra day
>really happy about the trip afterwards, never complained even though her feet were all fricked up at the end
That was years ago now, we're not together any more for various reasons but still remains a really fond memory for me and I think a really special time for her, we're still friends online and I see her post PrepHole pics from time to time
Did you frick?
Heartwarming
Took my then gf out once, I had the skills and gear of a moronic hobo so she had a miserable time, and unfortunately I didn't have enough booze to make it fun.
She's actually interested in going PrepHole again, and I'm ten years older, wiser and richer, so it should be less miserable, but just in case I'll pack a handle of her favorite whiskey.
>Men have their own programming.
There are many men that aren't reactionary manchildren like you. You would know if you lurked moar IRL
>lurk moar irl
Hall of Fame tier post
>go on a hike with a girl who claims to love hiking
>we do two small mountains with a hike that’s supposed to take about 4 or 5 hours
>before we even get to the second peak she appears unwell
>ask her if she’s okay
>and she’s like “I’m fine”
>keep going
>she starts to violently puke and cry and explain that she’s never hiked like this before and how it was manipulative to bring her on such a difficult hike
>hike back in complete silence
Fricked her good that night though
Peak woman moment
>I believe
Stopped reading there. It is abundantly clear that nobody cares about your opinions; not even your wife.
NTA, moron.
He already replied with dumbass details that no one could've known beforehand, thinking of a "gotcha!" by saying he's married, but in reality he probably burns rice, or maybe beans, possibly curry. But ugly, regardless.
All from a 'sour grapes' complex.
>see guise, according to these pathetic brainlet KHVs from 4chinz, r/mgtow, and omega male youtube, all white women are dog fricking prostitutes who can't cook and don't clean
>NTA
I still don't care about your opinion, anon. Though you seem pretty salty about my comments. Remember that PrepHole isn't a hugbox.
>Have you ever went
Stay in school.
This photo is so terribly edited
imagine putting a smoothening filter on your ass, women are incredible
it's worse anon. imagine being in the top 1% of women, but still suffering from such crippling insecurity that you still feel the need to shop your 9.9/10 ass.
i NEED this
i want a bf who will take me on adventures how do i find this in bongland
I want you to be honest with me. Are all women into PrepHole adventures and hide it well?
My gf and probably future with is a chronically at home urban rat who has never stepped in the woods before meeting me, and then only very reluctantly.
She absolutely abhors the idea of going out, hiking, camping. I can't convince her at all but I feel like she's too attached to the comforts of the home, city, grocery store across the street.
HOW the frick do I even introduce the idea of an PrepHole adventure to her? Despite being a great girl overall, I practically day-dream and fantasize daily about the moment I break up with her and I go retreat in the woods for a long period of time. It ain't gonna happen, I'm gonna marry her, but still....
anon ALL humans are enjoy going PrepHole
nature, excersize and gettig away from the stresses of modern life makes every person feel better even people that say they hate it or have never experienced it
and urban environments make everyone feel worse even if they dont notice it
even the most disgusting city rat who has never seen the colour green and vomits at the idea of being away from their climate controlled coccoon of conveniance (car and home lol) will feel better than they ever have before after going out
if you ever meet anyone like this you should drag them kicking and screaming on an adventure and by the end theyl be thanking you
im doing this with my fat gamer fren rn, bought him a cheap mountain bike and weve been riding regularly together, he hated it and complained constantly at first but now hes the one trying to find new spots for us to ride to to get nice views to have a joint over
Start small. Find a good nature park or day hike that's nice and easy and ideally with a good rewarding view or environment. A lot of people view hiking and outdoors stuff as just effort but you can start by showing them that the experience itself is fun and that there are things you can only enjoy by stepping off the pavement. Then you can build. Find a cool stream or lake you can hike to go swimming in, a good vista where you can tote along a beer or some wine. For camping start small, find a state park so they still have the car and bath rooms and such and then maybe a state forest where it's still car camping but no amenities.
Another aspect worth noting is that some people especially now feel like they need to have the phone and be available constantly and you have to build up that ability to not care that the reception is poor/nonexistent for a day, a weekend, etc.
I feel you anon. I have a slightly different problem where more of my friends have families and can't go on as many adventures. Do as I have done, start rolling solo.
Are you a woman or are you a woman (boy)?
im a troony so idk
>take gf deer hunting for first time
>get handy in the woods
>mosquito bites side of my wiener
>quarter sized lump on it for the last 24 hours
Wanna see?
Yes
I dont think that's a mosquito bite. You better get tested my friend.
>autistic about plants
>goes outside
Anon, there's only one ethnicity that does either of those two things.
>no, never been out with any females
ever at anything.
https://www.gematrix.org/?word=Pazuzu+
List for you.
>Be me
>Current GF begs me to take her on one of my camping trips
>I go often, once every other week depending on commitments
>We were going to move in together and she wanted to be more involved in my life
>Whatever sure
>She's pretty fit, swims a few times a week
>Tell her the trail details and plan everything in advance
>Day of the trip
>Pick her up and drive to site
>We started walking
>Within about 30 minutes of walking the moaning started
>”Why can't we camp here” “I'm hungry” “This isn't fun”
>I didn't expect things to go completely smoothly so whatever
>Push onto camping spot
>A small woodland I've been visiting since I was a child
>Owned by fathers friend
>Completely safe
>Set up camp
>Moans about setting up camp, tent, making fire, food etc.
>Won't let me drink my rum as scared of wolfs, bears and snakes
>We don't live in that part of the world, no wolves or bears and nothing poisonous
>Also controlled land by a fence and signs everywhere
>She knows this
>Legit no large predator I can't crush with my boots alone, I've done it
>Go to sleep
>Wake up to GF moaning about something stalking us
>Humour her and look around with my head, hand and chest lights.
>All very powerful
>Nothing
>Go back to sleep
>Wake up to GF annoyed and wanting to go home
>On the way home mutters about how my hobbies suck
>Am hurt
>Got home and broke up not long after
I leant from a friend that she thought my camping might have been a cover story for something else, cheating maybe? I don't know but I guess the truth was much harder than she could handle.
>be me
>banging my coworker
>always going PrepHole when I'm not with her or working
>eventually she wants to tag along
>take her to babbys first mountaineering route, where you go up an easy mountain and get an easy tram ride down
>we start walking
>she starts talking
>doesn't stop the entire time
>literally talks about everything under the sun
>so busy talking that I have to remind her to stop and take water breaks and rest
>immediately resumes talking
>zero moments of silence on the entire trip, even when she is exhausted
I asked my climbing partner if this was normal for women and he said it's pretty typical.
why is it typical though?
>it's pretty typical.
I hear this alot and experienced my fair share. The difficult part is when you have very simple solutions to their problems. Just remember they want an emotional resolution to their problems, not an actual one.
Learning that, if you keep her around is up to you, there are women out there who aren't clock and dagger... but they are rare...
What does emotional resolution mean.
Give example.
They want you to make them feel better about their decision, not tell them what to do (i assume)
Anal rape
You don't talk when you go walking? When I go PrepHole with my friends we never stfu the entire way, short of drinking I don't think anything stimulates conversation more than walking
>I asked my climbing partner if this was normal for women and he said it's pretty typical.
It's pretty much how MF relationships work when you're a bit of a 'sperg, anon.
>gf wants to go camping
>talks the whole time and I humour her
>make her laugh with an observation or two but mostly in listening mode
>look after her, set tent up myself while she does other shit because I don't want to get mad
>have a few beers and get comfy
>until my arm gets uncomfortable there's an hour or two where everything just feels alright
>talk about deep stuff sometimes like how the English language has a class strata between Germanic and Latin origin vocabulary that she tolerates
I'm worried because she wants to get a cat because there's an Instagram meme about taking them camping. I know full well how that is going to go.
Nothing wrong with owning a cat but the idea of taking it camping is a pretty long shot.
Yeah I grew up with cats and know there's no fricking way they enjoy being on a leash in a strange place. What I suspect happens more often than Instagram shows is cats crying the whole time and running away to find their own way back home. Also bullying the shit out of the dog to take out their stress.
My logic is she will catch on pretty quick after getting a cat that they get very distressed when you take them out of their territory.
I take my cat on long walks in the forest. Its ok. Not like a dog ofc, but it gets scared if it is in places it doesnt know and wants to hug into your shoulder.
>a bit
Ya got the full blown 'tism, son.
>deep stuff
Bro that's just an intelligent conversation
To him, it was deep.
>pic
I'd put my penis in her veganas if you know what I mean
>veganas
Which one? I'm partial to the back of the knee.
ye i did heres my greentext
>raped her
Terrible, and her butt, rain, tuna canoe reeks after a day. Hike alone.
that smell makes my pp hard
I wish I had someone to go on hikes with me, I don't have any friends let along a girlfriend. I'm a 27 year old virgin and spend my days alone in my room.
All of your problems are because you are not doing enough burpees. Not memeing either, no matter how fricked up or what problems you have you are just do burpees.
She got me into hiking...because we were living in Taiwan and that was a common activity. Hiked practically every well known and some barely known trails all over Taiwan. Though we don't camp - she won't shut in the woods, and she won't visit China because their public bathrooms are probably third world. Back in the USA, we continue to visit national & state parks. She never complains. Because of China flu she's into prepping too.
I tried to get some of them to walk with me on some trails but they refused, don't want to get out... The most i could get was to drive in a mountain road, get them out of the car in the woods and receive a frick or blow.
Yes. All the time. With my wife, my ex, my ex before her, female friends, random girls I was fricking or wanted to frick during uni.
Hell, even my first kiss was PrepHole. My primary school girlfriend (or "girlfriend" since I was 9 and she was 10 and neither of us really knew what the word meant) had an argument with her parents and we decided to run away together. She brought her sleepover bag and a backpack of food, I brought a torch and a family tent I didn't know how to set up. There was a national park pretty much next to our street so we disappeared into the woods until the police found us a day later.
Every year like clockwork I take two kayaks up to Sydney to paddle out to Scotland Island with an ex-girlfriend from 10 years ago or she comes here to float down the Mitta river and camp overnight. There's not much to greentext aside from stinky sex shit that you try to avoid by scrubbing in the river with Solvol beforehand. I'm a dairy farmer and she's a podiatrist so we're both used to foot funk and bovine vegana stank. The best part is female conversation. Girls pay more attention to the news
>still regularly fricking your ex girlfriend from ten years ago
that's weird but i have to admit i did the same thing for five years, it just happened whenever we were both single
>He is an adult male and still cares enough about how other things than himself smell
>camped with a crush
>she tried to get others to tag along until the very last minute but failed
>didn't frick
>crush plans a hike
>get my hopes up and join
>she now has a bf (surprise!) who joins
>she takes a "shortcut"
>everyone gradually runs out of phone battery
>dark falls, it starts raining
>I sigh and bust out the only headlamp and paper map in the group
>didn't frick
>years later, new crush
>go dayhike
>at the end say we should do it more often
>it's been almost a year now
>didn't frick
the exact issue is that ur only goal is fricking try finding somone u actually wanna go hiking with and form a relationship dumbass
A woman's mouth is not for the exiting of words but for the entrance of a man's penis.
>form a relationship
These were girls I'd known for quite some time and everything I've read tells me that at some point you have to frick them if you want a relationship. If you don't frick it's not a relationship, you're just friends.
I thought it was convenient shorthand for "person who has piqued my interest and whom I would be interested in pursuing an intimate relationship with". Sorry if it activates your almonds.
bruh, re-read >2464426, you clearly did not understand anon's meaning
girls will not frick you if your solitary goal is to frick girls. girls do not frick and then start a relationship, it quite literally is the opposite way around. end of story.
>b-but I watch Chad Thunderwiener's TikToks about how he has a huge dong and a tight shirt and fricks a new girl every day and he's so cool I wish I was Chad Thunderwiener. He lives to frick and fricks all the time!
The internet is a place of lies and deception. The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
most of the sex stories itt involve men fricking women they are not dating
>crush
>crush
>crushx3
Are you perpetually 14 years old to this day man having a crush past like sophomore year of high school is gay as frick especially to call it as such
I had a female friends I used to hike with. Was nice because because she never complained about anything, even when she got hurt, and always cooked. Generally would never volunteer to do it though, women who do don't become annoying as frick away from civilisation are too rare.
I go into nature to get away from women actually, I see a woman and my days gets ruined instantly.
This thread looks like it's mostly about couples/dates, but most of the females in my family enjoy hiking and have been through-hiking the AT a week at a time.
They pull their own weight and supposedly genuinely enjoy just being in the outdoors, but they can never tell me anything specific that they like about it so I could accommodate them better when I do plan the trips. I'm kind of autistic, so I get excited about the different plant types and what they can be used for, but they seem to just enjoy the walking outside, taking pictures of scenery, and posing for their social media accounts.
Either way, 90% of our trips are:
>3-5 people (4 girls + me at most)
>get to the spot where we left off last time
>all of us hike at different speeds
>I'm the fastest, so I get to our planned shelter first
>set up camp, get water/firewood etc
>depending on how early it is, I might go back and check up on them
>do this for a week and then get shuttled back to our car
None of them really complain, even when it gets really fricking rough. My family is just like that though, one time it had been raining 2-3 days of the trip and my cousin's foot had started falling apart, toes bloody, all toenails gone, massive blister on the back. She just cleaned it and wrapped it with the first aid kit and kept going, didn't complain at all. My family is also super competitive, so no one wants to be the one that "gives up".
Am i autistic? I also cant really identify what specifically i like about going outside. I just know when i dont do it i get a huge urge to drop everything and go innawoods. Its like an itch
No you just can't verbalize it and haven't spent the time to make your feelings more concise. It's pretty normal I think, like I love fishing, but if you ask me why exactly that is I have to go into a whole long explanation, because it isn't just one thing. If you want to be able to verbalize it well, think about it, if not, just say you like it and keep it at that.
This is the gayest way to hike the AT, and you better not tell people you've "completed" it when you get to the end.
trips of moronation. imagine telling people how to enjoy hiking a trail (especially one that has towns within a couple miles of it at all times.
Good thing I'm not hiking it solely to "complete" it, I just enjoy being out in the woods seeing plants and animals, and the AT is long enough that it goes through all sorts of biomes on top of getting to see all the nearby cities.
cum guzzling homosexual
That's a pretty apt description for people who do that kind of thing on the AT. Unfortunately his story will out him when he talks to anybody that actually thru-hikes.
Ugh…. tfw no qt Asian gf to go hunting and fishing with……
Nah, I'm a loser, and I have angling to do that woman could obstruct.
> Camp on island with gf (at the time) and her family
> Her family all treat her like shit because she's the only one who doesn't like fishing
> Gf mopes around because she used to like coming here as a kid and would get to bring a friend with and explore the woods and play games but now she usually spends most of the time sitting on the island alone
> Tell gfs Dad that I'm going to hang back and keep her company while they go out fishing on afternoon excursion
> Frick like animals in the open for like six hours while they're gone
> Eat Walleye for dinner
>angling to do that woman could obstruct
Catching fish, presumably
mfw i visit PrepHole for the first time ever and realize i've never went PrepHole with a girl...
Yeah I only ever go PrepHole with my gf
We've gone hiking, camping, and mountaineering together
She's more into camping, I'm more into climbing
She's good at starting fires but terrible at orientation
I'm just trying to get her into PrepHole sex now, but she refuses...
I hike with my girlfriend almost every week and I always get blown at the summit. Somehow no one else is every at the top at the same time as us which is a bit weird. We usually hike later in the day though.
I'm at the top, but I know you like to get blown at the top, so I make sure to get out of sight before you reach it.
Not sure if this counts
>be me
>anglo
>grew up in rural AOB
>have always loved a solo hike and camp
>moved to a coastal smallish city
>family man now
>now take my two young lads with me fairly often just for a hike and overnight or whatever
>Mrs anon: "you guys have so much fun I wish i could join in and share your interests"
>leaveusthefrickalone.jpg
>"well, maybe come on a little walk with us"
>(Mrs anon is pretty, likes clothes, make up and doing her hair etc)
>"please anon, I know I'd love it and wouldn't be in the way"
>"sorry but it's important we have something together just as lads"
>mentioned it a couple of times more but I diverted
>3 weeks pass
>Mrs: "anon, I booked us a trip. You're going to love it"
>please no
>"it's a campsite not far from here, they have fire pits and you get to sleep in a tent"
>soundsfrickinggay.mp3
>"ok Mrs anon, sounds nice. Let's do it"
>she buys all funny meme stuff. Solar powered shower and shit like that even though they have showers there.
>gets all excited, quite cute actually
>frick it, I'm looking forward to it
>pack the car up, lads are up for it. Bring the baby too, she's only 1
>pitch the big 8 man
>big pre arranged sites in a well mowed sterile field
>loads of single mums with kids there
>sit down and get the fire going
>look to my left to the next camp along
>see pic related
>most depressing shit I've ever seen
>Mrs anon: "it's so nice being out in the wild isn't it"
British women truly are something else, their idea of a wilderness is a street with unkempt bushes
What kind of unkempt bushes are we talking about?
those that you can put on the side of a street
and what about a good street and not some red light district?
God forbid someone else should enjoy themselves if you don't find them physically attractive
How is she enjoying herself?
Took one of my babies for a 4 day camp when he was 3wks old
>pic related
Megabased. Any tips?
Prepare to panic worse than you've ever panicked.
For example I had bagged up breast milk but obviously needed to warm it up. I've made 1000s of fires but when it dawned on me that if I couldn't start a fire, I couldn't warm my milk and then couldn't feed my baby it became a lot more of a big deal.
Other than that it was just pretty lovely. Had him wrapped in a muslin a lot as it was quite bright. Slept with him.
Remembering this is how all humans had and babies for thousands of years up until 150yrs ago settled me down a bit when I was worried.
Glad I did it, there's some cute pictures.
>stress
Kek. I believe you. Why could you not make a fire? Legal reasons?
>tradition
I'm with you, I'm the anon who hikes with furs and canvas bags.
if that's how you sit normally please fix your posture, this is painful to view. if it's just a weird moment to be photographed, carry on
Kys
I dunno why these homosexuals are so mad at you. I'd be pretty unhappy if my vacation included such a dysgenic sight. Like going to an art museum and realizing it's a modern "art" museum. Ruins the whole experience.
there is no excuse for being fat in the modern age, with so much information about healthy eating is available online for free as well as gyms.
>Bring the baby too, she's only 1
lol this was your mistake
>take gf camping
>she wakes up one morning and wants to frick
>we are in the wilderness with very little toiletries
>tell her she smells bad and I don’t want to
>cried and makes me pack up everything alone while she waits in the car
She blew me on the way home but I haven’t camped with a chick since , frick that
Shes right and youre gay
Dubs of truth. She has to be so unhealthy for her yoni to not smell like heaven, more likely is there is too many PrepHoleers with serious gay genes.
>yoni
Tbh anyone that calls it this has never touched a woman.
What is it with these people who say they are outdoorsmen but get disgusted with a sweaty person who has been hiking all day. Former scout here man I love the smell of some sweaty pussy.
Are you gay?
He just has a feminine penis.
>inb4 cuck van anon shows up to shit all over this thread
I’m not a cuck, but I’ll tell cautionary tale
>be me
>qt 3.14 gf who loves /out
>wildandcrazyplan.exe
>we put our life savings into a van to have the summer of a lifetime
>I put in 4k, she puts in 1.5k
>We renovate a work van just like on israelitetube
>drive from Ontario to Vancouver Island, stopping to camp all across the country
>pretty comfy most of the time
>gf goes deep schizo into the whole, quirky hippy meme
>stops shaving, no deo, shampoo is toxic, etc
>we can’t shower frequently to begin with, so I’m sure you can ponder the fragrance
>seen her shit inna bucket too many times to count
>teehee anon, it’s natural
>where has my qt, feminine gf gone?
>too much time together and I’m starting to see nothing but flaws
>don’t really wanna have seggs anymore because she grosses me out tbqhtbh
>start arguing over stupid shit
>we get to beautiful, British Columbia
>stay at a work away commune farm for the “enriching experience” with other hippy dippy people
>by people, I mean drugged out transients and hardcore green utopia leftists
>there are many “polyamorous” types
>gf tells me we should have a foursome with one of the other couples
>dont really want to, but yolo, I guess
>big mistake
>the other couple were some unwashed crack heads with dirty, fused dreadlocks
>desperately trying to forget the aroma
>gf is getting railed by this guy while I get the saddest blowjob from this stick thin druggie gril
>I barely even have a half chub, pushing rope into her unwashed vagoo
>forcibly c00m to get it over with
>buddy is still going to town
>awkwardly leave their tent
>gf comes back to our van
>huge fight
>I can’t even look at her, or who she has become
>leave the next morning
>bought a bus ticket back to Ontario, cut my van losses, don’t even care
>she messages and calls me non-stop
>ignore her calls, leave her on read
>don’t tell any of our friends
>just solo camped and seethed a couple more times before school started again
Brudda, I replied last time.
Seconded. As soon as she’s gone stanky, she doesn’t respect you. She’ll frick someone else in short order.
Rotten pussy smell is putrid and will always evoke a feeling when you reflect.
Hey, at least you found you weren't compatible then rather than after getting married. It's not like your trip was responsible for her degeneracy, it merely helped bring it to the surface.
My wife and I did the vanlife thing for a year and we loved it.
I'll admit I teased the frick out of her when she had us driving around remote Andean villages looking for waxing strips but that definitely sounds preferable to you and the rest of the anons in this thread who had to put up with their b***hes getting stanky.
i'd buy you a beer or two, anon
You're a cuck, ain't ya.
>Leaf gets cucked
Yep, I knew this was going to be the punchline as soon as I saw "Ontario to Vancouver".
Should've Brain Laundried her ass
oof anon that must've hurt. I can't imagine being cucked like tht
I wanna motorboat her ass cheeks. just get my schnoz way up in there and jiggle my face back and forth while making a hummmm sound with my loose lips. then give her ass some nice firm squeezes and occasionally slap her ass cheeks like bongos. that’d be a nice way to spend the morning.
>Be on several day hikes with girl from uni
>Don't think I'll ever score, but I don't have many friends and they don't hike
>Walks nice and slow, perfect for my fat ass
>Also stops frequently to identify flowers or something
Probably wouldn't do it if I wasn't attracted to her, which makes me friendzoned I guess. But it feels better than no female contact at all.
hey man, never count out meeting a friend through her. keeping contacts is almost always a net positive
Had a two day hike with her, my sister and a friend. Sister and girl get along great and I'm left out. But we slept in a hotel with a sauna and I sneaked a peak at her breasts lol.
anon-kun are you done with your "batoning" or whatever iam cold also do me vegan salat iam done with nature so bad *her phone rings*
It's been a tumultuous set of years since I last told it so I'll just make it brief since i'm not certain with some of the finer details anymore.
>take daughter on camping trip with some friends
>daughter was very much a tomboy
>daughter goes missing partway through the day
>friends are panicking
>i'm panicking
>because montana
>drive down the rangers post several miles down the mountain
>search party by dark
>no luck
>daughter still missing
>daughter shows up next morning with decapitated critter like she wasnt just missing for the entire night
Shes mostly grown out of it by now, shes at that age where hanging out with dad is embarassing. You know its going to happen eventually, but you hope it doesn't, and when it happens its a knife to the heart.
shows up next morning with decapitated critter like she wasnt just missing for the entire night
Wut?
>shes at that age where hanging out with dad is embarassing
>daughter shows up next morning with decapitated critter
While regular dads worry about unwanted pregnancy and potential drug abuse by their little princess, you on the other hand should worry about serial murders.
US society is kinda gay, not gonna lie. Unless you are embarrassingly fat and she doesn't want to be seen with a disgusting slob, hanging out with parents is quite normal here.
>go PrepHole with gf
>no problems
The end. Many such cases
>Wife car camps/glamps
>Loves it
>She have been doing is from childhood because her dad is not complete homosexual
>I also went car camping as a kid
>Have military background and actually prefer to hike and camp
>Wife can't into my minimalist approach
>Gets mad at me for not sleeping in the 40lb 3 room hotel with tent poles
>We car camp
>The End
It's pretty obvious who wears the pants in your "relationship".
Stop watching UltimateSigmaGrindset9000 incel-cope crap. Relationships necessarily must include compromises, especially when the stronger man has to think about the weaker woman and children.
Anon
gets to camp with his wife, which is vastly superior to being divorced and miserable because he insisted on living up to some zoomer's moronic understanding of masculinity and dragging her through some ultralight anticomfy activity that was obviously gonna drive any woman nuts.
>camping with a new gf in autumn, northern US
>I've camped some but not much
>she wants to put a tarp under the tent to make it more comfortable
>never tried that before so I say okay
>the edges of the tarp go further than the edges of the tent (you can probably see where this is going)
>have a good time hiking and shooting all day
>go to sleep
>it rains, a lot
>water begins to accumulate in the tent until it's a couple inches deep
>she just climbs on top of me and goes back to sleep
>I lay there for hours on my back in the water, at least she is helping me keep my body temp above hypothermia
>wait until the sun comes up while she snores on top of me
>try to start a fire, it's still raining, she's staying in the tent
>get a little fire going with the embers from last night but between the wind and the wetness it's getting dangerously cold and the fire is not enough
>she's shivering pretty hard
>send her back to the car and tell her to start it and turn on the heat
>she's a runner so I figure she'll jog there and warm up, which she does
>I pack up camp and carry everything back
>the end
We went camping together many more times, but that first time was very unpleasant. It was a good learning experience, I guess.
under the tent how would that make it more comfortable? walk me through the thought process here
>walk me through
Woman-brain. Not that guy, but I promise you this is as good of an explanation as you're gonna get.
There's many reasons to put a tarp under a tent but to make it more comfortable isn't one of them that I'm aware of. Most of my group of friends place a tarp so help protect against piercing and keep the tent cleaner for pack up.
In the future you can try just tucking the edges in so they don't collect water.
People should really JUST FRICKING BUY THE FRICKING "FOOTPRINT" WHICH IS SUPPLIED BY THE TENT MANUYFACTURER, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THESE TWO PURPOSES.
God damn do it yourselfers.
>water begins to accumulate in the tent until it's a couple inches deep
>she just climbs on top of me and goes back to sleep
LMFAO
begins to accumulate in the tent until it's a couple inches deep
>>she just climbs on top of me and goes back to sleep
I go hiking/skiing/climbing/canoeing with my wife all the time but we've only gone camping a few times, it feels like camping is more of a boys' thing, you're all dirty and uncomfortable and the only way to make camping fun is to get all fricked up.
>Have hot wife with hot friends
>havin sex
>intense
Highly recommend
I'M SO FRICKING LONELY AND HORNY WHY CAN I NOT GET AN PrepHole GF
>go to meetup.com or similar
>join a hiking group
>endure the awkwardness of the first meeting or two
>talk to girls
>???
>profit
Telling this to a board full of autistics is like telling a group of schizos to just ignore the voices
just because it isn't easy doesn't mean it isn't good advice. I used to be a social moron also. The only cure is practice. Social skills are a skill, as in they can be learned through practice, trial and error, like any other skill. Even true autismos can learn to function normally with sufficient time and effort. Reading books on social skills can only take you so far, sooner or later you've just gotta do it. You can't learn to swim from a book, though it helps, in the end you've just gotta frickin swim.
Meetup is only used buy old hags here
$20 says that's Sara Jean Underwood.
got damn she is fine af. also from my cursory search, you are correct. ass in the same shorts from other shots with her id
Actually kind of creep myself out that I can spot her so easily.
I don't follow her insta or any of that shit.
She's just a one of a kind.
Here she is with minimal makeup that still shows her freckles.
>take huge titty israelite princess ex gf camping with friends
>shes never been camping before and is scared of drugs
>has panic attack when friends start smoking weed and makes me drive her home in middle of night
>go camping with different group of friends
>girl ive never met is giving me the eyes when we're around campfire
>says she needs to show me something at her car
>get to car and she jumps my bones
>i cant get it up, pretty fricking drunk but get weird vibe from her too
>she starts crying and runs off, whatever, go and get even drunker at fire
>find out later she's total fricking schizo, pulled a knife on another guy during sex
>go hiking in CO with gf
>long but scenic and gentle hike up mountain to lake in the crater
>reach peak, names carved into every fricking tree
>i remark about the carvings, she says its sweet and that its a cool permanent memento
>about to go into rant about no one owning nature and how i would actually publically execute everyone of these frickers with their initials in the trees
>realize shes a woman and doesnt understand honor, decide to just nod and just avoid this battle
>she gets turned on by the lake and blows me
>camping with same gf and friends
>realize i brought tiny pup tent instead of 6 man tent, frick lol
>gf mad but i convince her we'll make it work
>hang out for a bit, she gets sleepy and squeezes into tent
>i stay up and drink whole bottle of jaeger by fire
>ready for bed, stumble over to tent
>fall down into tent, collapses with gf inside
>she is (understandably) losing her shit, I cant get myself out of collapsed tent
>she finally somehow unravels me and rolls me inside
>i kick her all night long and steal her blanket
you sound like a fun lad. Godspeed, king.
I was hiking with two girls, in the tent all three of us started laughing.
One girl goes "mzungu, paki" another girl laughs, and says "like you want a gay donkey".
I didn't even know what they were talking about until we see this donkey that is sitting in the field.
The donkey looks confused and you can tell he is gay as he keeps looking around while urinating.
In February, I was hiking in the Smokey Mountains with my parents.
There was the girls again, hiking and looking around with their cameras.
My dad goes "where did you girls get your gaiters" and the girl replied that they were given them from a guy on the side of the road.
They take pictures and she sends them to the guy and he emails her and asks where she got them, she replies "Canada" and he says "where?".
"Mussawe, nzuri, ufungwa" (Canada).
You can imagine the confusion.
homie, wtf are you talking about rn? did you have a stroke?
Just run it through Google translate, anon. His story makes sense if you can understand what the girls were actually saying.
Oh is it a language? My bad. The gay donkey shit still dont make sense tho
Small price to pay for getting Back to Normal™
>covid schizo outta nowhere
no god why. cant you shit up one of the other 3 threads?
>The donkey looks confused and you can tell he is gay as he keeps looking around while urinating.
Fricking lol
friendly reminder that nowadays more than 90% of posts on PrepHole are AI generated
Yeah she fricking complained the entire time, like non-stop, eventually I told her go back to the car and wait and we ended up having a big row
>jannies don't like the Black person word
Tell stories on when you got lots of milkies on the woods haha
No. They go rancid really quickly
Surprised this thread has lasted this long, then again if I had to pick a board on this website that actually has some interaction with women it would be you guys.
>going PrepHole with a femoid
>not a cute sheltered beta who will rely on you for survival
I love Binta. best kitty
I'd never camped before meeting my wife. 1 year into dating we did a backpacking trip which was my first time camping.
She was significantly more prepared than I and I nearly froze to death, but it was a blast.
We've never had sex while camping: we are usually too bushed and smelly to make it enjoyable. We are just happy to be together away from civilization. She also does most of the gear research as I am lazy as frick in that regard, and she usually makes good decisions. I usually do the cooking while PrepHole.
You sound like the wife in that situation.
100% true
She's also autistic.
weak bait
I would say I had a great time. Went out for a weekend and nine months later we came back with our son.
>organized bus tour to a mountain and then hiking all day
>go with a group of friends of which I know about half
>im single, havent kissed a girl in years
>fun times hiking up mountains all day, challenging and exhausting though
>nightfall comes
>we have to return to the camp
>everyone got flashlights
>hiking thru rocky forest
>rocks are slippery from evening dew
>one of the girls finding it hard descending down
>she also has no flashlight
>asks me to stay next to her so she can see
>keeps slipping
>another girl tells her to hold me by my arm so she wouldnt fall
>she holds me by my jacket sleeve
>after few minutes i say "hold me by the hand, its easier for me to keep you safe that way"
>hold hands down the entire hill, help her make tricky steps
>feels good to take care of someone and make them safe
>hike uphill for another hour
>get into the bus
>sit next to random girl cause only seat left
>talk to her a bit
>bus starts driving us back home
>it's very late by now
>random girl next to me falls asleep
>Im trying to fall asleep too but cant
>impossible to find decent sleeping position esp. since Im very tall
>girl next to me sleeping like a champ
>2h pass as I'm in half-coma state from the exhaustion trying to doze off
>feel something on my shoulder
>turn around and look
>she's sleeping on my shoulder
>havent had this much closeness with a girl in years
>close my eyes
>relax into the inertia of the bus's turns and let them slowly pull me closer to her side
>the side of my head/face makes contact with top of her head
>relax the weight of my head more
>slowly start falling asleep
>she's sleeping on my shoulder as I'm sleeping resting on her head
>feels warm and nice
>she wakes up for few seconds once in a while and nuzzles into my shoulder more
>when I have to adjust my head I also lightly nuzzle the top of her head
>friends wake me up once we've arrived
>her mom jokes with me: "you might as well come home with us"
>say bye to her
>didnt ever got her name
I'm sorry you were tempted by that harlot, anon. That must have been traumatising.
y-you too
seriously though I'd been on a nofap streak that I'd failed few days prior to that trip. If this had happened while I was on nofap your post would be 100% unironically real to me
yeah man. I'd say it wasnt bittersweet, it was just sweet, the bitter part was years of solitude. those 2h sleeping with her were bliss. innocent affection. was like a gift from heavens to remind me that its possible to be close with someone and feel such things, and that even if I was out of it for years, it was just a period of time and it could change for the better at any moment.
also i know she was attracted to me, I was abnormally confident from the endorphin buzz of hiking and the small talk with her was smooth, and few other things accidentally happened in the bus that made me look like the leader. but i was too tired to even try taking it further. if there's a single way on earth to get close to someone you like really quick, it'd be in a way where you have plausible deniability because youre "asleep". I think thats kinda what happened, we both took advantage of it to cuddle up together in a way we were far from on a conscious level; we bypassed a good chunk of the mating dance that'd have to take place to get to that situation consciously. maybe her sleeping on my shoulder was accidental initially but later on I'd feel when she'd wake up for a few seconds and would just nuzzle in closer, maybe assuming that I'm asleep. Few times when that happened I'd just caress her head/face with mine a bit intentionally, if she was still awake Im assuming she was wondering if it was intentional or just my unconscious reaction while sleeping.
Her mom was also super nice to me the whole time while I couldnt fall asleep. And later when I woke up and she inmediately made that joke, I know she was looking at us while we were sleeping and that she also found it sweet. The girl also "woke up" 5 seconds after me so she was probably awake a good while.
Why dont you just ask a friend you did know on the trip to get the name?
I think this was one of those experiences that happen and you're very grateful for them and that's it. I heard from her mom she lives in another town too. Besides, even if I'm 99% positive that she was into me, it'd be weird reaching out lol, what do you even say, "hey girl I talked to for 2 minutes, it was nice sleeping on your head". The particular girl is not the point of this, I think it was a nice experience and memory to carry and move on and take the lesson that even if youre a lonely affection starved mf, intimacy is much closer than you think
Thats a very lovely experience anon. "Touch starved mf" describes me well lol. This girl's hair smelled nice too.
I can relate to you not wanting to get involved into anything. Truth be told I've had opportunities during the dry years but didnt go for them cause of that, I just felt I it'd take away my time that I wanted to spend on working on myself and stuff. I wasnt happy with myself for a long time and that I wasnt attractive to the girls that I liked, so if I'd taken the opportunities it would feel dishonest and pityful to both myself and the girl. I'm aware that the years of solitude are because of my choice, I wanted to fix things about myself that were making me insecure and would ruin any relationship eventually. But also there was a fear of getting close and vulnerable that I had to admit, ie always thinking I have to become perfect until Im worthy of being with a girl, and then I wont have to reveal anything shameful. But thats not how it works, youre always human, thats why we're here for each other to support each other, no one goes into a relationship perfect. I had to learn that and accept myself more with made it easier to live. That being said to be vulnerable you do need to have a level of self esteem, felt competence and confidence, you still need to bring something to the table and improving yourself is great. But also accept yourself and learn to be vulnerable is what I learn
>it was nice sleeping on your head
I would unironically use this as opening line. Or better yet, call her out by saying something along the lines of "So you are the one who slept on my shoulder".
Truth is, if she was really into you, it doesn't really matter much what you say. She'll make it work. And vice versa.
>Truth is, if she was really into you, it doesn't really matter much what you say.
NTA. Men focus too much on "saying the right thing". Nobody is gonna verbally convince a woman to like them anyway. I have no damn clue what I said to my wife when I met her. It's not important at all.
I knew someone would quote that and say its a good opening line lol. Yeah it would be if there was literally anything established consciously between us but it was very surface leveled. It'd be very weird if I tried to bring the sleeping thing out into the spotlight, even though I know something was going on it was still too subtle and for her to go along with it she'd have to kinda "admit" very up-front that she was aware of it and enjoying it. It was what it was, too little of anything solid to go on from. If I really really wanted her I wouldn't give a shit, I'd find some way to slide in dms, but although she was cute by my taste, there were other girls on that trip I'd rather have gotten to know but didn't
I do agree though that what you say exactly isnt very important. It's what your words signal about who you are and what your underlying intent and vibe is. If you are grounded in yourself, not needy or anxious, calmly self-regulated internally, good vibe, the words you say will naturally align with that and more importantly, the way you say it with all the body language, intonation etc. will convey the underlying reality of you. Attractive inner traits will find their way into your behavior which will be signalled to the girl in so many channels, from words to inflection, intonation, body language, all of it. It's impossible to fake all of these thats why women smell your value easily. Naturally attractive men talk a certain way because of who they are; their inner world, confidence, etc naturally produce certain vibes and intents and mindsets which produce words and body language that are attractive. It's a whole stack of signals where words are just the top layer, and dudes that try to focus on the words miss the point of what even causes the right words as well as the other 95% of signals
There's also understanding women and knowing what to say at the right moment but that's a different topic and builds onto the foundation I described
I have very similar experience. Shortly put, went with friends of friends hiking, on a way back girl fall asleep next to me while on train. That was after being five years alone. I remember enjoying it quite a lot, since she was fairly cute and her hair smell nice. She also did whole lot of "from sleep" cuddling.
I remember sitting there, enjoying this little affection I did not enjoyed in years and then reminding myself that while this is extremely nice and that I am certainly touch-starved motherfricker, the potential relationship with her would also bring whole lot of shit I really don't want to deal with. So I sat there, caught in my own mind-trap, before I just settled on enjoying that nice part and being glad for it.
I know both the feeling of years-lasting solitude and the sudden bittersweet moments like that shoulder part.
>>she wakes up for few seconds once in a while and nuzzles into my shoulder more
AAAAAAAAAAAA ive never had that and never will. lord have mercy on me
Neither have I before this bro. I've made out with girls but am a virgin. This was better than any of the makeouts I've had, just sweeter in a way, I guess cause it happened so innocently and out of nowhere. It was pretty beautiful.
And I wasn't supposed to go to that PrepHole trip at all, been a shut-in for a long time avoiding social stuff working on myself skills career improooving etc. It was out of my reality that it could happen, but it's just a mental block we have in our mind that makes it seem like something like that could never happen to us. If you can realise this BS mental fence is all in your head and closeness to people is just a few genuine words away, it melts this illusion of being so lonely and separate from everyone. In reality if you step out a bit among people into social situations, stuff can happen out of nowhere. It woke me up to definitely wanna get a lot more social in the near future, will try to go to more PrepHole trips with the same organization in the future etc, will literally make a list of social places I can start going to somewhat regularly.
Btw idk what your confidence/social skills level is, it can seem like I'm saying "jus b urself", just wanna say Ive been there in the worst of PrepHole-like mental headspaces and I still havent made it fully but its a lot damn better than it was, I went from being 100% shut-down in social situations to now being able to strike up a conversation with almost anyone if I really really want to, theres worse and better days but on the better ones it can be pretty great. It can take some improooving but of the legit kind, to be able to go out there and really be "just a few sentences away from making a new friend or potential partner". If you wanna hear the 1% of legit truth vs 99% of low quality self-improvement bs I had to sift thru to actually change something and improve my actual confidence and competence and self image, I'd love to share.
Juat remember its all in your head. It CAN happen
Thanks for the effortpost anon. My biggest issue is that I scarcely have any enthusiasm for people left, especially for anyone that I don't want to frick (aka not cute girls). I too can talk with anyone, but I fail to find people I can tune with or interest me. Sometimes, when I find them, they do not reciprocate and I end up investing with failing returns, and I get discouraged.
Back to what you were saying, more than sentences I think is the mental state/confidence/approach imo, and that's harder to change.
Btw the fact that a girl was ok sitting with you (or did you sit with her?) prompted the situation that wouldn't otherwise have happened. But yes there are moments that trascend the everyday monotony and in one of those I got my only kiss lol. It's not that it can't happen, the issue is to make it consistent
>more than sentences I think is the mental state/confidence/approach imo
Yep this is what I was trying to imply with my post if it didn't come across that well. My point was: it's more about the other 95% of communication besides the actual literal words (body language, how you carry yourself etc); but even if you realise that and then try to kinda manipulate your communication to try and be attractive, it doesn't work because 95% of your communication is subconscious and comes from subconscious behavior, which in turn comes from your inner self, who you are at your core, your true character and personality. So it's: your core self -> behavior -> communication. When you realise this you start focusing on making true change on your core self so that attractive behavior and communication naturally arise. If you try to take a conscious manipulative approach and fake that top layer of communication, girls notice easily that you're not who you're trying to pretend to be and it's an instant turnoff and shows that you're basically trying to lie about who you are to get her. This is why "jus b urself" is true but hard to grasp logically and even harder to actually embody it. Instead of "just be yourself" it should be "put in effort to change and improve your core character, personality, life etc. so that when you're just being yourself, you're actually attractive and don't have to try and fake anything which doesn't work anyway".
>that's harder to change
True. I'll tell u how I did it if you're interest
>the fact that a girl was ok sitting with you (or did you sit with her?) prompted the situation that wouldn't otherwise have happened
I sat with her but it was only seat left. Yes it's true but me deciding to go out to a social trip was not accidental, it was a conscious choice. So I DID do something that increased the chances of it happening, which is the whole point. If I did it 5x as often and then tried to talk to 5x as many girls imagine the possibilities.
i'm interested if you've got more advice. you write well and make sense
Hard to summarize this into 1 post as its a big topic but I'll try
So as explained already, one should avoid the alluring trap of trying to manipulate behavior and communication; instead focus on self transformation so you become a naturally attractive man with a proper core character, principles, values, integrity, virtue, competence, skills. This is the gist.
Imo 90% of success with girls is not by direct efforts ie approaching 10s and 100s of girls to learn how to tall to them (which pickup guys advocate with varying success. yes actual talking to girls to practice is needed too but is a much smaller part than building your core self, and will be made much easier by it.). Becoming an actual attractive man is done through the indirect route, which is working on yourself and getting to a point where you're not doing anything when talking to people yet you are being very attractive. To get women, dont focus on them, focus on yourself. The question now is, how to do this.
Internet and self help books are full of mediocre and shitty advice on this. Its often touted like some revolutionary new thing, some new method to become confident or whatnot etc.
In reality the truth about how to become a great man has been so important to mankind forever. Its no accident that religious texts and old wisdom are full of descriptions on how to be, how not to be, how the world works and how to align with it, etc. Both atheist evolutionary biologists and believers will agree that this was vital for our survival and thriving.
In short, the most on-point stuff on how to be is in old books and new books that talk about old wisdom. A lot of psychology too is on point when understood in proper context.
So where to look for good advice? Modern self help books? Nope. Spiritual/religious legacy and psychology? Yes. The latter are built on good accurate models of reality, thats why they've worked for milennia (psy. is ~150 years old but a lot of it is good and helpful.
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Lets get to the meat of how this works. Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, older men to teach you and raise you into a man, teach you about the world and meaning etc, you'll have to seek this out yourself. Even this notion of "losing the father and going to find him" was apparently such an important and common theme to mankind that it's in stories that might be even 10,000 years old, and have survived to this day.
The process of truly changing your core self is:
1. Finding sources of the truth about what makes a great man & human in general
2. Studying it and building an understanding of that truth - this will give you your own worldview built on sound principles of reality, and will give you your value system too automatically, which is important
3. Figuring out how this truth applies to you and your life
4. Using all that knowledge to build a new way of life, i.e. a daily and weekly routine full of habits tat will get you to start changing and shifting even the deepest hardest to change aspects of yourself into a better direction
5. Sticking to it as consistently as you can, getting back up when you fall off track, making learning from your mistakes and adjusting
I could write a chapter on each step, they're all distinct and very important. But this is the gist. And its not even about women, when you start going down this path you find that the old you which was so obsessed with trying to get a girl to like you was very much rooted in insecurity and lack of inner self-validation. At that point you have a much healthier inner relationship to women and are not needy in the way you were, youre more independent, "yourself", more a man, and women sense that on a bone deep level and want to go with you wherever it is you're going. See how that works? You focus on your core self, on becoming a great man and human, and that handles almost everything else by itself
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These steps are a neverending process as long as you're alive. As you work through them, what you're basically doing is building a solid proper knowledge and value system based on good models of reality provided imo best by religious/spiritual traditions & psychology, and then adhering to this value system as much as possible especially by doing things regularly that change who you are, that transform you. It takes time and repetition, consistently, to change a human being especially on a deep level. This is how real transformation can be made, yes in short-term humans are slow to change but long term we are malleable like you wouldnt believe, we can transform even the deepest levels of ourselves with enough dedication.
As you change your deepest parts of yourself, you open up to new perception of the world you didnt have before which feeds back into that step 1. You gain a whole new understanding.
Yes what I'm claiming is that a socially shut-down KHHV could take up this path and change so much to where his own mother couldnt recognise him. It'd take consistency, patience, time and sticking to it long enough. I went a long long way from being so fricked in the head I couldnt hold a simple conversation and still be convulsing in stress hormones. And this is really how I did it, just an honest approach to figuring out whats really the truth out of all the BS and making a simple plan of action based on it and sticking to it and see minimum or no results and go all over again until I found good sources of truth and learned how to really apply it and stick to it long enough.
What this all looks like irl for me is:
- daily religious practice and prayer
- daoist meditation, stretching etc to keep me grounded and embodied and clear emotional BS
- listening to audiobooks daily to feed Step 1
- training 3x a week
- daily working towards life purpose goals I've set
Knowing who you are & where you're going = true confidence
Based effortposter. I'm gonna add a bit to the subject.
>To get women, [...] focus on yourself.
>Since you live in modern society which doesnt give a shit about you and has no inbuilt cultural tradition left to guide you, [...] you'll have to seek this out yourself.
This is really important for young men to figure out as early as possible.
If any of you are interested in biology and zoology, a lot of sexual dynamics are easily understood once you understand enough of the different evolutionary pressures that have molded us into what we have respectively become. I think the based effortposter here is correct in aiming for more traditional literature for self-improvement, but modern scientific research (actual science, not The Science, and definitely not I Fricking Love Science) actually gives a ton of insights into masculine and feminine motivations in a way that is relatively easily understood by the modern (ie. materialist) mind. Avoid sociology and even anthropology though, those fields are full of feminist commies pushing their nonsensical agenda. Literally just looking at the chimp cage at the zoo gives you a better understanding of sexual dynamics than modernity. You can also deduce a lot by simply visualizing life as a hunter-gatherer, which is what we are born to be.
>Finding sources of the truth
For me, this was fully acknowledging that our place is in nature, not raised above it. Thus, observing nature tells me what I need to know. I lead my household, not because I particularly wish to lord over my wife, but because there is no equality in nature, so how could there be any in us?
As always, I recommend reading the poetry and wisdom of your own actual ancestors. Child-sacrificing religions are probably great for troglodytes who live in enmity with their harsh environment, and sun-worship is great for Teutons who rotate from wet autumn to the dark of winter to flowery spring and warm summer - yet neither is a good fit for the other.
I agree very much, when I mentioned psychology I included (at least in my own mind) evolutionary psychology which connects a lot with biology and zoology. Any legit model of how we function is great and I've used evol. psychology a lot to understand us. Especially in modern times where every norm of how we've lived for milennia has broken down into insanity, it's important to understand the animal side of how we function but also the higher side of us oriented towards the transcendental to make sense of it all again and reintegrate ourselves internally and our families at least, then hopefully our communities, I don't dare mention society as a whole.
I have to point out that personally I'm religious & spiritual (although to me there's no real conflict between this and science). The way I see religion and spirituality is I do believe there's a transcendental force that governs reality and most religions come from people like prophets and buddhas who have gained significant experience and insight of this fundamental force and shared this deepest insight with their people, thus aligning society with this utter truth that's almost beyond words. I also believe that there were people who made up their own deities situationally, in absence of much transcendental understanding. Thus I don't subscribe to the evolutionary idea that all religions were just a function of whatever was most useful to survival. Some were but I think others touched upon something much more profound, and I believe the closest a human can reach perfection is proportional to how much they can reach/align with this fundamental force (Dao as Daoists call it), whether they recognise it as a real thing or not. In my experience - to bring it back to meeting women - it has made me centered, mentally and bodily grounded, embodied, observant, humble, peaceful, calmer in bad situations, less fearful, overall much more confident and less needy for anyone's approval
I pretty much agree with your whole post, and have had a similar experience with becoming more grounded.
Evolutionary psychology is fascinating, and none of this contradicts my religious beliefs either. I'm not so simple minded to think that all of my ancestors' songs were to be taken literally - I believe the gods represent different things within their overall "theme" depending on the context of the story. I'm Germanic, so I primarily study Germanic (pre-Semitic, obviously) texts for spiritual wisdom and forgotten truths, but I guess now I have to add Daoism to the list of things to check out.
Appreciated it anon, seems based
Cool post as well. Screencapping everything
I always had a hint of what to do and tried daily meditation but without much motivation really. Working out is ofc one of the prime ways of getting a man out of depression and in that I've been consistent in some periods of my life.
Don't get me wrong, I will immediately start following your routine enthusiastically.
What is your stance on social life? How does it fit in your theory?
I don't mind being alone but sometimes its harsh
(Btw I'm enjoying how slow this board is and the fact that this convo is lasting days)
I'm this guy
, not Dao-anon
>social life
I recommend the Havamal (don't I always, kek) for guidelines on how to act around other people. Get the Crawford translation.
In short: be suspicious as hell of strangers but don't be unnecessarily hostile, treat your close friends as well as you possibly can, and repay treachery with treachery and vengeance.
The advice of Dao-anon will also make you more "attractive" to men. If you are a more put together guy, other men will gravitate towards you and want to be friends. The more squared away you are, the higher quality men will want to spend time around you. A little while ago, in a large social setting, I ended up chatting with a fighterplane test pilot because everybody else there was an effeminate sperg. We each recognized that the other was better than the mob of basedjacks, and actively sought each other out - I felt it, and he even said as much out loud. I think male friendship is extremely important, and heavily suppressed in modernity, in part due to the rampant sex addiction and degeneracy that makes normal healthy men suspicious of male attention, out of concern for having to deal with homosexualry. I served in the military, so that helped me learn to bond properly with males.
If I were to start from scratch at a young age, I'd pursue an activity (or job/career/whatever) like that to find likeminded friends - could be hunting, sailing, etc. A lot of activities will naturally filter out degenerates and morons and don't appeal to women (or cannot really be performed by women). Those are the activities you want to seek out. They are usually dangerous, painful and/or require patience.
Oh, and don't be friends with women or children. That's a completely moronic waste of time.
Not finding time to properly write a reply but I havent forgotten about you anon. Will write as soon as I can, I hope the thread doesnt die soon
All good you already shared a lot of valuable stuff
My regular hiking partner is my wifes friend. Female and over ten years younger than me.
And your wife doesn't doubt you or her one bit?
Actually, she wouldn't mind if something happens and her friend also knows that. And the friend is happily engaged herself. So we spend week or two in a year hiking.
Met my current gf on the AT, we were both thru hiking. Once we finished I contacted her and turns out she lives in the next town over, we've been dating since. She's a badass. probably gonna wife her
Why would you want to marry a girl that was probably railed twenty times on the AT?
I hiked with her for most of the trail, ~1800 miles of it. We understand each other well.
She jumped into my sleeping bag, farted, jumped out, and left my life completely.
i forget which greek tragedy this story was based on.
I think it's a country song.
I think it's unavailable that I'm going to die alone
I keep clicking back into this thread because of that perfect ASS
>be chunky teenager ten years ago
>go on weekend camping trip with a few friends, with one of their half-sister's groups of friends, all of them from a catholic school (five in their group, four in ours)
>fun trip, a lot of swimming
>go to bed first night
>one of friends of friend's sister crawls into my tent, a tiny skinny girl
>"Not here to do anything with you. But I want your warmth."
>"Ok.jpg"
>curls up next to me and we fall asleep
>Next morning "You don't smell and you didn't try anything, so i'll be back tonight."
>entire trip we just cuddle to sleep with me as her heat buddy, never do anything sexy
Overall kinda nice being used as a piece of meat for some rich girl.
this is a cute story too bad it didn't go anywhere
She was really nice it was just an odd exchange. I think she was one of those girls who always went to girls only schools. I should clarify we did talk and interact that day before she popped into my tent. There was a dock on the lake and I was standing on the dock while she and my boys were jumping off my shoulders (i'm 6'6") into the water when we were swimming. My one friend (not the one with the half-sister) thought for years we fricked but I kept telling him we didn't do anything.
>i'm 6'6"
Legend!
>t. puny 6'3" manlet
I recently took my gf on her first camping trip, she's from the city and I grew up in a rural town, I'm also fairly inexperienced but not a complete newbie as I'd spent plenty of time on the piss with the mates by a campfire in my youth.
>leave way too late from my house
>campsite was packed as it was a long weekend, drive around and thankfully find a spot that wasn't a designated campsite but obviously had been used plenty
>vaguely concerned because I didn't want a zealous ranger coming in the evening and giving us a move on request, wasn't an issue tho
>make campfire with purchased wood that wasn't quite seasoned well enough, wasn't totally happy with fire but was enough
>pass the time chatting, she's a little bored but like it's camping and dark what do you want
>eat some canned stew and snackies, it's nice
>have a couple of wines and smoke rollie ciggies
>eventually retire for the night
>using a blow up mattress but forgot to bring insulation under so the cold came up in the early morning, wasn't too bad but definitely chilly, ended up squeezing into my sleeping bag after putting some clothes on and we were comfy
>got a hand job and fooled around in the morning, she pee'd a little when I ate her out lol
>made some sausages and potatoes after starting a second fire, warm in the sun
>packed up and did some site seeing, went home that evening instead of doing a second camp at my suggestion
>overall she didn't mind it and is happy to go again
Since she didn't have any gear other than a cheap sleeping bag and I only have gear for one we had to do a bit of a shop on the cheap the day before and in hindsight it was probably a touch too cold to cheap out on sleeping gear, late spring would have been much more comfortable. Next time I'll be a bit more prepared for two and I'm sure she'll have a ripper time 🙂
>take cute "outdoorsy" weed girl on a hiking date
>she brings her "travel companion" pug (30lbs) and teacup chihuahua because they're her outdoor buddies, she goes camping with them all the time! It's fine! 🙂
>she brings a literal backpack full of food, drinks, and weed for a 2 mile hike down an established trail to take some subset pictures at a place I told her about
>makes me carry the bag so she can handle the dogs
>0.25 miles down the trail (took about half an hour because she kept stopping to smoke weed and wrangle the dogs), the dogs have officially 100% crapped out and keep flopping into every patch of shade they see and panting heavily
>she gives me the (angry) teacup chihuahua and carries the pug and keeps complaining about how heavy it is till I offer to switch just to get her to shut the frick up
>she runs out of water 0.5 miles down the trail and decides it's an emergency and that we need to turn back even though there's a campsite just up ahead with water spigots (b-but it's not filtered!)
>turn back and eventually get to the car after a second pot smoking session and two more rest stops
>end up going back to her house
>she continuously rips a bong while we watch Alaska documentaries and she talks about how much she loves the outdoors
Seriously, never take women outside. If society collapses and we are forced to return to nature, I'm convinced that most women will just straight up die and get a bunch of men killed in the process.
Kek. You're not wrong, but maybe you could also avoid women you would describe as "weed girls".
Yeah that sounds gross. I don't understand why he would even try to go PrepHole with a girl that's like that.
Yeah. A lot of the bad experiences ITT seem to come from the posters' idea that all women are potentially enjoyable, and thus worth giving a shot. Young men are just utterly useless at choosing a woman for any qualities beyond physical attractiveness and "she's paying attention to me".
>t. formerly young man
>Young men are just utterly useless at choosing a woman for any qualities beyond physical attractiveness and "she's paying attention to me".
so true
Damn that's quite true. At the same time, I cannot stomach a non pretty woman for more than 5 mins to "know her better"
And idk how satisfied I'd be
Oh, friend, I didn't mean to imply that those two things were bad. They are absolutely essential. My point is that young men should add more prerequisites than just those two, and be a bit more holistically minded. Take a 9 that cooks and cleans instead of a 10 that is a lazy c**t.
Or even spend time with them at all. She better be super hot anon
>self identifies as "outdoorsy"
What that actually means is
>Likes to smoke weed and watch nature documentaries
>Went for a walk in the park once
Sounds like 90% of this board. Is she, dare I say, /our/girl?
>soon after moving in with my gf she mentions Big Bend because some of her coworkers talked about it, is super excited to go
>she's never been camping, explain to her that a long backpacking trip in the desert is not easy for a beginner
>she says that's fine, we should practice first
>borrow a tent from a friend, do an easy weekend trip at a fairly developed site
>she absolutely loves it despite rain the whole time
>buy some gear and do several more weekend trips
>shitting in the woods, backpacking food, inclement weather, and bears don't phase her at all
>go out to Big Bend and average 15 miles a day for a week in 100 degree weather
>zero complaints from her and constant childlike wonder at everything
>right before a visit back to my hometown she spontaneously suggested a very fun backpacking trip I was able to go on with her, my brother, and best friend
>just got scuba certified with her and have planned a big hiking and scuba trip in HI
Very pleasantly surprised, my friends cautioned me against backpacking with women but it's honestly been pretty great. I moved across the country with her and left all my PrepHoleist friends (that own all the gear) behind, so happy that I'm able to do it even more now. Pic rel, us at big bend
Boil the rice, _________
???
how the frick can you tell she's asian from that pic?
I’m very familiar with jet black hair, mongolian built women
Fry some chicken, peanuts and broccoli to go on top
Good going anon
Big win and you look good together
Sometimes you just gotta roll those dice
Old gf would lik to frick on our backpacking trips.
>set up camp
>eat
>drink, smoke
>zip the sleeping bags togeyher and screw to keep warm.
She was a ranger though, so good luck
I know it smell crazy in there.
If you are gay and autistic, maybe
Got the opposite side of the fence story.
> be me
> be femanon new bf has intresting hobby
> he does buckskinning/fur trade/early American reenacting
> come over to his house one day
> bf is "braintanning" a deer hide
> the deer? Shot with his smoothbore musket yesterday
> guy used almost every part and piece of that animal.
> genuinely impressed
> takes me to a "Rendezvous"
> meet super nice people who answer all of my stupid questions without hesitation
> get fascinated by history of early America
> learn some leather sewing techniques from some of the girls
> make a tobbaco pouch and neck knife sheeth for bf
> bf loves them
>invited to another Rendezvous a few weeks later
> bf suprises me with a deer hide skirt with trade silver broaches pinned to it.
> its from the deer he braintanned himself
> still dating 3 years later
pick related bf's camp site.
This based boards hasn't even replied to the foid larp bait above, I'm so proud. Anywhere else it would have 10 replies already