Yes. Once, like 20 years ago. I backtracked to the last place I knew where I was and realized I'd crossed a road that wasn't on the map. I was just learning land navigation. Haven't been lost since. I Exclusively use paper mapsq, even driving.
One time I walked like 50m off the trail to take a shit and couldn't find it again when I spun around, luckily there was a stream there so I just shat in there for a couple of days and people at the town tracked me back by the floating bits
Just once on the AT, I walked probably 10 yards off trail before realizing hmmm this isn’t right. Heard of people walking whole days in the wrong direction lol.
No, but where I live it's pretty much a low shrubby wasteland. I got lost in those low shrubs though, it's like a fricking maze, you get in a weird spot and it's pricks everywhere you turn, you have no idea how you got inside. It's like a fishtrap
I thru hiked the at and got went the wrong way twice and nearly got lost once
First time: >somewhere in tn/nc >at is constantly changing as new land is aquirred leading to old trails or dirt roads crisscrossing it, usually there are logs piled up on the wrong way and its usually well marked but not always >take the wrong way on accident >hike probably 2 miles >dead ends into a neighborhood street >pull out phone >have reception, find trail >end up taking a shortcut back through dense woods which was a mistake but i got committed
Second: >somewhere in maine >same deal, took the wrong trail >followed it for probably 2-3 miles before it got extremely overgrown and i knew it was wrong >no reception >walk back >meet another guy who also took the wrong way on the way back >5 miles in the yellow blaze bank
Nearly getting lost: >somewhere in nh/maine >dense forest >late >go off trail about 100 steps like i always do to set up camp for the night >wake up next morning pack up >walk back to where I think the trail is >cant find it >walked far too long for this to be right direction, completely turned around >pull out phone, no reception >end up deciding to walk in an ever increasing spiral and hope to find the trail >manage to find it after about 30 minutes
This was actually pretty scary, I can see how people get turned around and lost forever. My plan of I didnt find the trail when I did was to go south using the sun as a guide because I knew I would hit a road I had crossed eventually and follow that until I had reception to figure out where I was
There are a lot of degrees to being lost. Ive never been super lost, but I’ve been turned around a few times.
>following a well worn trail >only has markers at junctions, but super easy to follow >trail is supposed to torn right then cross a stream >it just sort of fades off into the woods >turn back to find the trail >get to it, doesn’t turn anywhere >map must be wrong
I went back years later with a small group and we absolutely confirmed that yes, the maps (USGS, FS, and the AllTrails app someone was using) were all wrong. There is a marker where you cross the stream, but the maps show it crossing in another spot, putting you in the wrong side of another stream.
Another time >camp just off trail, maybe 50’ >start walking to it just after breakfast the next morning, just to stretch my legs >can’t find it >like, at all >I had camped very close to a short dirt road that connected to a gravel road that I’d crossed the day before >place a very long stick up against a tree just so I can regain my sanity >take the dirt road back to the gravel road, then the gravel road back to the trail, making a big circle >stick is gone
Closest thing I have to an /x/ story. Sorry it’s not more compelling.
You know if you upload maps to your phone then you don’t need cell reception to view your location in them.
Yes, the paper maps we had (USGS and FS) are both wrong. I never said I navigate with a phone, and just told that Anon that he could. That’s especially true for the AT, which is pretty well established and 100% trail hiking.
It doesn’t matter if you’re using a phone, a compass, or just dead reckoning. The maps show the trail we were on crossing a stream in the wrong place, which puts you on the wrong side of another stream.
Take your meds and check your shitty attitude. You’re what’s wrong with the board.
Braziel Creek Trail in the Sipsey Wilderness. The maps show it crossing the creek east of the creek junction with Bordon Creek. It crosses west of the junction (there’s a small marker near the water), however the trail doesn’t turn toward the creek. It fades off into the woods.
1 year ago
Anonymous
There is only one section where the trail goes more than 100 feet from the river and the all of the turns and twists have multiple backstop and handrail features. Getting lost on this trail is the equivalent to not hitting any pins in a game of bumper bowling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ive never been super lost, but I’ve been turned around a few times. >HOW DID YOU GET LOST?!?!?!?!
Anon, I…
Are you trying to prove a map is correct by simply looking at it? Step back and think about that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I never said the map was correct, you barely literate moronic, I said anons navigation skills are very clearly garbage.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>follows an incorrect map >it’s his navigation skills
Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't know how to navigate >Blames the map because the river moved
It's amazing how far you will go to blame everything but yourself. I've seen rivers move in less than 6th months, that's why people who aren't moronic don't use them for reference under for anything under 100 meters. Keep making excuses, you're obviously one of those city gays that thinks they know how to innawoods but obviously doesn't.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's a standard topo map but it doesn't have standard topo elevation markings and I didn't post the key so you can look up the map sheet
your map is trash and you're moronic
>doesn't have standard topo elevation markings
Define the above for the class.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The thick contour lines are always labeled so you tan calculate the thin contour line interval. It is also standard that the thick to thin interval lines are four thins than a thick...and the thick lines are labeled. Your map is garbage and you're moronic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>being this autistic about contour lines >it matters in a place where the landscape is always +/-40ft >the thick contour lines are marked actually
I'm thinking you'd get lost walking your dog. Thanks for the laugh, anon. Now stop dicking up the thread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't know anything about basic cartography or navigation, so have an 8th grade insult
Priceless. Go back to reddld, you clearly have no interest in learning from your obvious intellectual superiors.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>intellectual superior >can't even see that the topo lines have elevation marked >Derailed the thread to display his incompetent trolling for everyone to get a chuckle
pffft even
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the river moved
Holy shit, dude.
1 year ago
Anonymous
sooo, rivers don't move? >popcorn
1 year ago
Anonymous
You have no earthly idea where the trail or creek are. What’s more likely: the trail was a simple misprint, or you’re just a homosexual?
I never said the map was correct, you barely literate moronic, I said anons navigation skills are very clearly garbage.
>I never said the map was correct
You said there’s no point where the trail is more than 100’ from the creek. You’ve never been there (“muh handrails”), so yeah, you’re just looking at a map.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you’re just looking at a map.
All he's ever done, and he can't even do it right lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, seriously. The trail I’m talking about isn’t even on maps from 2003. The oldest Topo map with the trail on it is from 2018. It’s Bee Branch, AL in the USGS library. When I was out there last was in 2021. So I guess the river shifted so much in 3 years that it completely devoured a trail somehow.
nu/out just gets dumber and dumber.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I blame the map >but but the river moved >nevermind that if I knew how to navigate this wouldn't have been a problem >...new PrepHole push
lol
Priceless
fricking priceless
1 year ago
Anonymous
What, exactly, wouldn’t have been a problem? How lost do you think I was? I even said I wasn’t lost, just turned around.
What do you think i did when I realized the trail isn’t where the map said I should be? What would you have done? Triangulated using non-existent mountains? Or maybe some landmarks that you can’t see because the landscape is basically a jungle? I know you wouldn’t use dead reckoning based on a river crossing, since “rivers move.”
Anyone claiming they’ve never been slightly confused as to where they are doesn’t have much experience. It happens; trails sort of fade off into the woods, or get overgrown and connect to game trails, or turn into washouts. You’d know this if you actually went hiking. “Muh navigation skills” is a massive giveaway that you’re larping, bruh. No one stops immediately when the trail is slightly less easy to follow. You press on because you’ll find where it picks up again. You know how we know that’s the case almost every time? It’s what we’ve experienced. Sometimes you don’t find it after 15 or 20 minutes, so you stop and figure it out. That’s exactly what happened both times in Alabama. The people who hike know exactly what im talking about.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I didn't read any of this. I already know you're absolutely moronic.
https://i.imgur.com/U7cBCUH.jpg
>everyone is the same person!
If you where schizophrenic, wouldn you know it, or would you just think everyone else is crazy?
>gets intellectually destroyed >screen caps posts instead of linking them.
I am not going to bother commenting but absolutely expect you to continue. Your shit is recycled hot garbage but that never stops you.
go on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I’m not reading that >I won
Oh ok >link the posts!
You fricking idiot. You linked two posts that you claim are the same person. The idea behind the screen caps (two of them) is to show that it’s two different people. See how one post in the screen caps has a (You) behind it while the other does not? How new are you? >I’m not going to bother commenting
So I guess I “won” and my stories about getting slightly turned around have been validated as true. You still don’t ave a story to share, because you don’t have a lot of experience. Like I said, it eventually happens to everyone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The trail didn't move, the river did. You're following a valley along a river. The valley also didn't move.
Getting lost is a problem you have. Stop protecting your inadequacy onto other people. I've hiked allover the world and I don't get turned around because I know the trees from the forest. Read Turnbull, even deep forest dwellers in the Congo don't make excuses and are never lost because they can't see past the trees.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't worry bro, I live in that area and I know the maps aren't accurate. It's also a really popular area for locals, so we make our own trails through the same area to make it even more confusing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>samegayging
1 year ago
Anonymous
>quotes one post >”this is the same person”
moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lol
that's not the post quoted
You have no earthly idea where the trail or creek are. What’s more likely: the trail was a simple misprint, or you’re just a homosexual?
[...] >I never said the map was correct
You said there’s no point where the trail is more than 100’ from the creek. You’ve never been there (“muh handrails”), so yeah, you’re just looking at a map.
>you’re just looking at a map.
All he's ever done, and he can't even do it right lol
lie more you turbomoron
obviously you can't win on telling the truth
1 year ago
Anonymous
>everyone is the same person!
If you where schizophrenic, wouldn you know it, or would you just think everyone else is crazy?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you have no idea where the trail was.
he literally posted the trail in this thread and i looked it up.
I said there is only one point where the trail is over 100 feet from the river...so already your reading comprehension is shit. You also, very obviously, have no idea what a navigation handrail or backstop are or you wouldn't be sperging such moronation.
>intellectual superior >can't even see that the topo lines have elevation marked >Derailed the thread to display his incompetent trolling for everyone to get a chuckle
pffft even
>The topo lines are non standard
you're moronic if that isn't obvious
I already explained why, but you'll ignore it I'm sure
continue. You're oblivious to how much you embarras yourself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/ZEztWZF.jpg
>quotes one post >”this is the same person”
moron.
gets caught samegayging
>samegayging
gets called out for it
>I’m not reading that >I won
Oh ok >link the posts!
You fricking idiot. You linked two posts that you claim are the same person. The idea behind the screen caps (two of them) is to show that it’s two different people. See how one post in the screen caps has a (You) behind it while the other does not? How new are you? >I’m not going to bother commenting
So I guess I “won” and my stories about getting slightly turned around have been validated as true. You still don’t ave a story to share, because you don’t have a lot of experience. Like I said, it eventually happens to everyone.
lies about it and pretends it didn't happen
fricking priceless
1 year ago
Anonymous
I’m not even sure what to say. You I so hated that
You have no earthly idea where the trail or creek are. What’s more likely: the trail was a simple misprint, or you’re just a homosexual?
[...] >I never said the map was correct
You said there’s no point where the trail is more than 100’ from the creek. You’ve never been there (“muh handrails”), so yeah, you’re just looking at a map.
and
>you’re just looking at a map.
All he's ever done, and he can't even do it right lol
. I posted a screenshot proving that we aren’t and explained why. The screenshot you provided just shows that people were replying to your posts.
The trail didn't move, the river did. You're following a valley along a river. The valley also didn't move.
Getting lost is a problem you have. Stop protecting your inadequacy onto other people. I've hiked allover the world and I don't get turned around because I know the trees from the forest. Read Turnbull, even deep forest dwellers in the Congo don't make excuses and are never lost because they can't see past the trees.
>I’ve been all over the world and I’ve never gotten turned around
Oh ok
1 year ago
Anonymous
you're a pathological liar
If any part of the story is true than you got lost on a training wheels trail
Wait lol you are showing "proof" of samegayging with a screenshot from the samegay's perspective showing the (you)s despite that image not being present outside of your post....
How much time did you just waste on that?
What were you thinking that would accomplish?
rofl even
Yeah, his screenshot shows replies to his own posts. He’s saying that’s proof of me samegayging. He’s either a double moron or… no, there’s no other explanation.
Also: >rivers moving is much more likely than a simple misprint or the trail being redirected
Definitely a double moron.
>my image shows me responding to 2509512(you) which it shows in the image I posted
pathological
liar
next lie in
3
2
..
1 year ago
Anonymous
The irony is the image they posted very clearly lists a you for 2509512 (samegayging) so at this point they're gaslighting like bignose.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Very curious how you got the “unedited version” of someone else’s (You)’s.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>516 in the first image shows a (you) for 512 >Magically that (you) disappears in the second image
The first one he posted was correct, the second one posted was an edit. They both can't be true...
1 year ago
Anonymous
There are four screenshots of posts. The first two both show (You)’s behind 512 (me) and not 516. The third image is some absolute dumbass who doesn’t understand the simple concept of how PrepHole works.
The fourth shows (You’s) behind 512 and 516… but no one would be able to take that screenshot except for the person who was being quoted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Responds to 512 with 516 >516 shows a (you) for 512
everything else is you lying
Which we both know you will continue to do. You don't have an intellectual leg to stand on at any level. You suck at land navigation and you continue to lie about very obviously responding to yourself.
You fricked up. The other irony is you're probably phone posting and PC posting and you think that images on fricking PrepHole...The hub of image editing... mean anything at all.
This whole tangent of you're samegayging moronation is a distraction from the fact that you're totally garbage at basic navigation.
what a mega cope!
1 year ago
Anonymous
There’s not a single image of 516 with a (You). >you’re using two different devices!
Then the only explanation for your supposed screenshot in
https://i.imgur.com/CjW93LN.png
[...]
is… what, exactly? >it proves you’re the same person
Again, the only person who sees a (You) is the person who’s being replied to. If 512 and 516 were both me, you wouldn’t be able to take a screen shot showing (You)’s.
It’s pretty sad that you went through such lengths, Anon.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lol
lamo
you lie like water falls from the sky >516 shows a 512(you) >noooooo that's not what that means
priceless
continue
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, 516 shows a 512 (You). Of course it does; 516 is someone replying to my post (512). I took a screenshot
That same screenshot doesn’t show 516 (You) because 516 is a different person.
Why is that confusing? How new are you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wait lol you are showing "proof" of samegayging with a screenshot from the samegay's perspective showing the (you)s despite that image not being present outside of your post....
How much time did you just waste on that?
What were you thinking that would accomplish?
rofl even
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, his screenshot shows replies to his own posts. He’s saying that’s proof of me samegayging. He’s either a double moron or… no, there’s no other explanation.
Also: >rivers moving is much more likely than a simple misprint or the trail being redirected
Definitely a double moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's the "double moron" anon
1 year ago
Anonymous
The irony is the image they posted very clearly lists a you for 2509512 (samegayging) so at this point they're gaslighting like bignose.
1 year ago
Anonymous
516 was a response to 512. Someone responded to 516 with >samegayging. I posted a screenshot showing that 512 and 516 are different people.
There’s no way you don’t understand that. You can’t possibly be that moronic. It’s not hard to follow.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lol!
lamo!!! >triples down on lying
As expected.
You got problems dude--least of which is your total lack of direction.
Continue though, lamo.
also, you assumed they made the trek before offline maps were prevalant so you're also pretty young.
Regardless, tell me the trail....if it actually happened which I'm sceptical.
I’m 41, and no, I did t assume that. It’s fricking insane to me that I can say we were using two paper maps and one guy had AllTrails on the group trip, while I had a paper map when I was solo years before, and everyone defers their argument to electronic devices and apps.
>Complains about low board quality >continues to fill up half the thread with posts about samegayging >literally schitsoposts
Your lack of self awareness is truly staggering.
>Rivers don't move over time! >I don't need to check my position with distant points >frick using a compass >I couldn't find a road 50' away
...I think I see a pattern here.
>walk back to where I think the trail is >can't find it
This is a very basic use case for your compass. When you leave the trail, you set your bearing in the direction you're going to walk and stay on that bearing until you make camp. Now when you break camp, you know the exact direction to get back to the trail. You zoomers need to understand that your phone/GPS isn't magic. It's just one of many tools.
One time I went up the wrong side of the mountain and nearly died. I did zero preparation or research beforehand and decided to wing it one morning after breaking camp.
Occasionally does but I catch myself early on.
Most accident I've read is people became complacent especially on previously travelled route and kept going on and on, doesn't double check stuff until they can't recover
BACK IN THE 90s: >be hiking in outback Queensland >friend leading the trail >Trail seems to be getting rough >Friend is pressing ahead confidently so. cool we must be good. >Eventually deadends, >Friend goes "Oh yeah i wasn't sure about this trail like ages ago" >He brought a map of the area but no compass >Figured it would just be trails >All my boy scout useless facts kick in >Holy shit i can make a compass one second. >sewing kit for needle >clip on sunglasses for magnet >leaf to float it in a cup of water. >Compare nearby mountains on map >Find rough location and get a heading >Find river we were meant to be near >Find much better, well marked path.
THESE DAYS: >Have smartphone, >Screenshot any hiking trails or maps in the area >Bring spare batteries >Don't assume friend knows what he's doing
No, I've never been lost. Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, summer camp, JROTC (JROTC programs differ wildly; this was a good one), and the fact that I grew up hiking, fishing, and hunting saw to that.
Anyone can learn to use a map and compass in a few days, and be proficient within a few weeks/months. My only concern is that so many people have been relying on GPS for so many years now that their ability to map their environment in their heads is underdeveloped.
The stories in this thread are a great example of why I'm always telling people not to even leave clear sight of an established trail without knowing how to navigate, old-school. For all you know, some capacitor will pop in your mobile phone and it just goes dark. What then?
Got lost in the Blue Mountains, it was getting dark so I followed the one path back and then found a big radiotower I definitely didn't pass before. It was endless bush if I chose the wrong direction so just set up next to it for the night and went directly towards the nearest town the next day through the bush. It was winter so wasn't too worried about snakes.
Yeah, hiking in northern Michigan w map n compass.
Every time basically there's some access road or other that's not marked or marked totally inaccurately that throws me off.
It'd be fine if reading terrain was easy, but its a fairly flat, fully forested with poor vis, mess of undulating pots and knobs and unmarked ponds/marshes that's nightmare mode for orienteering.
Half the time I just beeline a general direction since I know generally where I'm going and would rather bushwhack than backtrack, which is sufficient since its not super wilderness and you'll hit something within a mile or two. Half the time I'm tired and just cheat with GPS.
I've never been lost more than about 300m is how I'd put it, reading those maps is challenging sometimes, so not like "lost" lost. Not sure how I'd get proper lost with a map n compass even in Michigan, never mind a backup phone. Maybe I'll find out some day..
Last example picrel
Walking along well worn hiking trail about knifepoint, headed N.
Landscape is endless knobs n pots, forested heavily, maybe 50ft vis places, 250ft at best others. Not Appalachian thick, so some vis.
I want to turn east at the access road and then south where it hits the other access road before the pond/lake.
Figuring out scale and distance is a weak point of mine in these conditions. The map is about 1.5km in width in photo.
Walking along that trail I come upon a saddle, down ENE of it is a marshy pond feature. I walk down out of pure autistic need to check it out. Neat. I walk back up, definitely the same trail. I take a compass reading, the trail continues at a 325 bearing give or take.
Continue on trail a few minutes as it curves around to a NE bearing, and come across a two-rut access road. Walk down it eastish and it goes along the north side of that same marshy pond thing I was just at, with clearcuts along its north edge.
Follow along it for a bit and... It just dies out after the marsh.
I look south past the marsh and see a hill. I walk up it and look east for that large pondlake. Eventually strike E/SE bushwhack and reach a pond. Figure its the "head" and track a SSE course to see if I can find the "body".
After a couple hundred feet I am just in the middle of dense woods getting mobbed by mosquitoes and clearly not where I thought I was.
Where am I, anon?
>no map key >an obvious shit map with no elevation markings >WhERe Am I
your on PrepHole very clearly demonstrating you don't know how to select a usable map or even if you did how to understand the key features on any map.
>no map key
Map key is not pictured, it is on the maps though (it's a tiled map system, one of them has it, I have since started adding them to all submaps for ease of use). >no elevation markings
Literally blind. > shit map
It's a standard topo map, plus sat imagery.
Troll along. I bet you don't even own a map. Road atlases don't count.
>It's a standard topo map but it doesn't have standard topo elevation markings and I didn't post the key so you can look up the map sheet
your map is trash and you're moronic
Not really lost but it's easy as frick to get turned around when you're hunting a new spot and someone does there best to relate directions on how to get to your stand and then you get more and more uncertain as you stumble around in the dark trying to find the fricking stand. Always works out tho.
I didnt really get lost, but due to a forestfire a few months prior a trail i needed to find a way down a 300m cliff was no longer existant, so i had to hike out the way i came, wich took until multible hours after darkness. Not a very pleasant experience.
when i was 8 and got separated from my father in a new place some 600km away from home
we were gathering cloudberries and i just happened to find a trail of them that lead me so far away my shouts could not reach him
i dug few rocks out from the swamp and hit them against each other until he found me, back then i was afraid of bears too so it was real relief to see my angry dad shaking his fist in the distance
Im always amazed at how few people understand this simple trick. I remember hiking in a group of 4 and we split up in two two men teams to look at two different trails, to figure out which was the right one. 10 min later the other group started wistling loudly. The guy that was with me looked at me completely dumbfoundet, he couldnt figure out that the others couldnt find their way back to us and wanted us to come to them.
something else i also learned during that trip was not to shake dead trees no matter how fun it is because it will suddenly break and fall on you
never kicked or shook a tree like that again
Im always amazed at how few people understand this simple trick. I remember hiking in a group of 4 and we split up in two two men teams to look at two different trails, to figure out which was the right one. 10 min later the other group started wistling loudly. The guy that was with me looked at me completely dumbfoundet, he couldnt figure out that the others couldnt find their way back to us and wanted us to come to them.
>whistling
in this day of mobile phones whistling is an underrated art in more ways than one, me and my friends used to whistle each other just to see if we were at home
also with this one simple trick one could find his friends in the forest if needed
>this day of mobile phones whistling is an underrated art in more ways than one, me and my friends used to whistle each other just to see if we were at home
Dad always used the same 3 note whistle when I was growing up so we could easily find family members inawoods or even heavy crowds
My dad could whistle so loud that people would cover their ears, which he learned it because he was a band director and he could fricking overpower their instruments with a whistle during marching to get them to stop or call them to attention.
Do we not have jannies in this place or what?
Guy is an omega tier troll that's completely sidetracked discussion so he can strut about his superior intellect. I don't know who would do that unironically, but I doubt he is capable of the multilevel thinking required for irony.
It does happen a lot to me, especially if I am lost in my thoughts. I will start walking and only after a while will I notice that I am lost. Usually when that happens, I just find a familiar landmark and turn around and retrace my steps. It's kind of embarrassing how many times this has happened, but I learned my lesson and now I try to stay more aware of where I am walking,
I think getting lost is something everyone has gone through. We've all walked into unfamiliar territory without someone to show us the way. There's something about the uncertainty of the unknown that can be frightening but also liberating. To be free from the constraints of a map or a guidebook is to be truly free - to be able to go wherever you want.
One time I coomed and passed out right after. Woke up in the dark unable to find my way back. Thankfully I had my Garmin inReach Mini with me so I could call for help.
I once wanted to go to a park in my city and ended up outside of the city in the completely opposite site. I picked a different way to go back and after a while of wandering around in the general direction of my district I eventually found myself in a familiar place and came home. I made 3-4 attempts in total before getting to the park eventually but this one was the silliest.
I often allow myself to get lost for a challenge though I usually cheat after a while by checking my phone or asking a stranger, so it doesn't count. I missed several meetings this way.
Another time I was going to meet at a football field in a different park. I knew the park was next to a football stadium and I got to the stadium but couldn't find the park. Since I asked for the football field specifically strangers couldn't help me. They either directed me back to the stadium or another football field right next to it. I went to a tiny bit of forest between the stadium and the park I was looking for and there were people practicing bow shooting. I got this brilliant idea to approach them from the direction they were shooting at, so I interrupted them quite a bit. They gave me the right directions but I still managed to get lost in the forest. By the time I found my way to the park the meeting was over. In my defense, the park was in a basin surrounded by rocks and then a high fence and the forest, so I couldn't see it even though I was right next to it the whole time.
>Posts an obvious post about not knowing shit about navigation >spends 10 posts seething about samegayging after getting caught samegayging >moods, mods!
Simply amazing.
>edits a screenshot and puts (You)’s behind different posts >claims “this is the original” >any such original would only be viewable by the person who posted it
Schizophrenic indeed
>quotes one post >”this is the same person”
moron.
<--lets ignore this post
I'm laughing so hard at you
you just can't help yourself but to lie and lie and lie
it's amazing actually
continue.
Tell us more about how you got lost on a trial a 9 year old girlscout could navigate without a map while you're at it.
your dedication to lying is truly epic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It’s already been addressed.
If 512 and 516 were the same people, they would both have (You)’s behind the post link. Are you denying that? Or are you going to point to “the unedited version” that you still haven’t explained?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon is correct
516 is a self response to 512 or it wouldn't have a (you) in the post image.
Who gives a shit if you are samegayging or not your post quality is garbage. You are the thing you claim to hate.
Yes. Once, like 20 years ago. I backtracked to the last place I knew where I was and realized I'd crossed a road that wasn't on the map. I was just learning land navigation. Haven't been lost since. I Exclusively use paper mapsq, even driving.
No I never got lost, because I’m not a friggin IDIOT! Only times I’ve been lost was in the city before smartphones were a thing
This. I don't know how it's possible to get lost unless you're a total moron, especially if you have a phone signal.
yea but i 360d and walked out
yes
alltrails, you point the phone at where the trail is, and walk
>I never actually know where I am but my phone does so whats the dif amirite
yeah, the phone does the work and un-losts me
problem?
One time I walked like 50m off the trail to take a shit and couldn't find it again when I spun around, luckily there was a stream there so I just shat in there for a couple of days and people at the town tracked me back by the floating bits
Just once on the AT, I walked probably 10 yards off trail before realizing hmmm this isn’t right. Heard of people walking whole days in the wrong direction lol.
No, but where I live it's pretty much a low shrubby wasteland. I got lost in those low shrubs though, it's like a fricking maze, you get in a weird spot and it's pricks everywhere you turn, you have no idea how you got inside. It's like a fishtrap
I thru hiked the at and got went the wrong way twice and nearly got lost once
First time:
>somewhere in tn/nc
>at is constantly changing as new land is aquirred leading to old trails or dirt roads crisscrossing it, usually there are logs piled up on the wrong way and its usually well marked but not always
>take the wrong way on accident
>hike probably 2 miles
>dead ends into a neighborhood street
>pull out phone
>have reception, find trail
>end up taking a shortcut back through dense woods which was a mistake but i got committed
Second:
>somewhere in maine
>same deal, took the wrong trail
>followed it for probably 2-3 miles before it got extremely overgrown and i knew it was wrong
>no reception
>walk back
>meet another guy who also took the wrong way on the way back
>5 miles in the yellow blaze bank
Nearly getting lost:
>somewhere in nh/maine
>dense forest
>late
>go off trail about 100 steps like i always do to set up camp for the night
>wake up next morning pack up
>walk back to where I think the trail is
>cant find it
>walked far too long for this to be right direction, completely turned around
>pull out phone, no reception
>end up deciding to walk in an ever increasing spiral and hope to find the trail
>manage to find it after about 30 minutes
This was actually pretty scary, I can see how people get turned around and lost forever. My plan of I didnt find the trail when I did was to go south using the sun as a guide because I knew I would hit a road I had crossed eventually and follow that until I had reception to figure out where I was
There are a lot of degrees to being lost. Ive never been super lost, but I’ve been turned around a few times.
>following a well worn trail
>only has markers at junctions, but super easy to follow
>trail is supposed to torn right then cross a stream
>it just sort of fades off into the woods
>turn back to find the trail
>get to it, doesn’t turn anywhere
>map must be wrong
I went back years later with a small group and we absolutely confirmed that yes, the maps (USGS, FS, and the AllTrails app someone was using) were all wrong. There is a marker where you cross the stream, but the maps show it crossing in another spot, putting you in the wrong side of another stream.
Another time
>camp just off trail, maybe 50’
>start walking to it just after breakfast the next morning, just to stretch my legs
>can’t find it
>like, at all
>I had camped very close to a short dirt road that connected to a gravel road that I’d crossed the day before
>place a very long stick up against a tree just so I can regain my sanity
>take the dirt road back to the gravel road, then the gravel road back to the trail, making a big circle
>stick is gone
Closest thing I have to an /x/ story. Sorry it’s not more compelling.
You know if you upload maps to your phone then you don’t need cell reception to view your location in them.
>I use a cellphone to navigate
>I'm off by 50 to to 100 feet so it must be the map data
jfc
Yes, the paper maps we had (USGS and FS) are both wrong. I never said I navigate with a phone, and just told that Anon that he could. That’s especially true for the AT, which is pretty well established and 100% trail hiking.
It doesn’t matter if you’re using a phone, a compass, or just dead reckoning. The maps show the trail we were on crossing a stream in the wrong place, which puts you on the wrong side of another stream.
Take your meds and check your shitty attitude. You’re what’s wrong with the board.
Post the trail
>take your meds
ask me how I know you're a pathological liar.
Braziel Creek Trail in the Sipsey Wilderness. The maps show it crossing the creek east of the creek junction with Bordon Creek. It crosses west of the junction (there’s a small marker near the water), however the trail doesn’t turn toward the creek. It fades off into the woods.
There is only one section where the trail goes more than 100 feet from the river and the all of the turns and twists have multiple backstop and handrail features. Getting lost on this trail is the equivalent to not hitting any pins in a game of bumper bowling.
>Ive never been super lost, but I’ve been turned around a few times.
>HOW DID YOU GET LOST?!?!?!?!
Anon, I…
Are you trying to prove a map is correct by simply looking at it? Step back and think about that.
I never said the map was correct, you barely literate moronic, I said anons navigation skills are very clearly garbage.
>follows an incorrect map
>it’s his navigation skills
Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up
>Doesn't know how to navigate
>Blames the map because the river moved
It's amazing how far you will go to blame everything but yourself. I've seen rivers move in less than 6th months, that's why people who aren't moronic don't use them for reference under for anything under 100 meters. Keep making excuses, you're obviously one of those city gays that thinks they know how to innawoods but obviously doesn't.
>doesn't have standard topo elevation markings
Define the above for the class.
The thick contour lines are always labeled so you tan calculate the thin contour line interval. It is also standard that the thick to thin interval lines are four thins than a thick...and the thick lines are labeled. Your map is garbage and you're moronic.
>being this autistic about contour lines
>it matters in a place where the landscape is always +/-40ft
>the thick contour lines are marked actually
I'm thinking you'd get lost walking your dog. Thanks for the laugh, anon. Now stop dicking up the thread.
>I don't know anything about basic cartography or navigation, so have an 8th grade insult
Priceless. Go back to reddld, you clearly have no interest in learning from your obvious intellectual superiors.
>intellectual superior
>can't even see that the topo lines have elevation marked
>Derailed the thread to display his incompetent trolling for everyone to get a chuckle
pffft even
>the river moved
Holy shit, dude.
sooo, rivers don't move?
>popcorn
You have no earthly idea where the trail or creek are. What’s more likely: the trail was a simple misprint, or you’re just a homosexual?
>I never said the map was correct
You said there’s no point where the trail is more than 100’ from the creek. You’ve never been there (“muh handrails”), so yeah, you’re just looking at a map.
>you’re just looking at a map.
All he's ever done, and he can't even do it right lol
Yeah, seriously. The trail I’m talking about isn’t even on maps from 2003. The oldest Topo map with the trail on it is from 2018. It’s Bee Branch, AL in the USGS library. When I was out there last was in 2021. So I guess the river shifted so much in 3 years that it completely devoured a trail somehow.
nu/out just gets dumber and dumber.
>I blame the map
>but but the river moved
>nevermind that if I knew how to navigate this wouldn't have been a problem
>...new PrepHole push
lol
Priceless
fricking priceless
What, exactly, wouldn’t have been a problem? How lost do you think I was? I even said I wasn’t lost, just turned around.
What do you think i did when I realized the trail isn’t where the map said I should be? What would you have done? Triangulated using non-existent mountains? Or maybe some landmarks that you can’t see because the landscape is basically a jungle? I know you wouldn’t use dead reckoning based on a river crossing, since “rivers move.”
Anyone claiming they’ve never been slightly confused as to where they are doesn’t have much experience. It happens; trails sort of fade off into the woods, or get overgrown and connect to game trails, or turn into washouts. You’d know this if you actually went hiking. “Muh navigation skills” is a massive giveaway that you’re larping, bruh. No one stops immediately when the trail is slightly less easy to follow. You press on because you’ll find where it picks up again. You know how we know that’s the case almost every time? It’s what we’ve experienced. Sometimes you don’t find it after 15 or 20 minutes, so you stop and figure it out. That’s exactly what happened both times in Alabama. The people who hike know exactly what im talking about.
I didn't read any of this. I already know you're absolutely moronic.
>gets intellectually destroyed
>screen caps posts instead of linking them.
I am not going to bother commenting but absolutely expect you to continue. Your shit is recycled hot garbage but that never stops you.
go on.
>I’m not reading that
>I won
Oh ok
>link the posts!
You fricking idiot. You linked two posts that you claim are the same person. The idea behind the screen caps (two of them) is to show that it’s two different people. See how one post in the screen caps has a (You) behind it while the other does not? How new are you?
>I’m not going to bother commenting
So I guess I “won” and my stories about getting slightly turned around have been validated as true. You still don’t ave a story to share, because you don’t have a lot of experience. Like I said, it eventually happens to everyone.
The trail didn't move, the river did. You're following a valley along a river. The valley also didn't move.
Getting lost is a problem you have. Stop protecting your inadequacy onto other people. I've hiked allover the world and I don't get turned around because I know the trees from the forest. Read Turnbull, even deep forest dwellers in the Congo don't make excuses and are never lost because they can't see past the trees.
Don't worry bro, I live in that area and I know the maps aren't accurate. It's also a really popular area for locals, so we make our own trails through the same area to make it even more confusing.
>samegayging
>quotes one post
>”this is the same person”
moron.
lol
that's not the post quoted
lie more you turbomoron
obviously you can't win on telling the truth
>everyone is the same person!
If you where schizophrenic, wouldn you know it, or would you just think everyone else is crazy?
>you have no idea where the trail was.
he literally posted the trail in this thread and i looked it up.
I said there is only one point where the trail is over 100 feet from the river...so already your reading comprehension is shit. You also, very obviously, have no idea what a navigation handrail or backstop are or you wouldn't be sperging such moronation.
>The topo lines are non standard
you're moronic if that isn't obvious
I already explained why, but you'll ignore it I'm sure
continue. You're oblivious to how much you embarras yourself.
gets caught samegayging
gets called out for it
lies about it and pretends it didn't happen
fricking priceless
I’m not even sure what to say. You I so hated that
and
. I posted a screenshot proving that we aren’t and explained why. The screenshot you provided just shows that people were replying to your posts.
>I’ve been all over the world and I’ve never gotten turned around
Oh ok
you're a pathological liar
If any part of the story is true than you got lost on a training wheels trail
>my image shows me responding to 2509512(you) which it shows in the image I posted
pathological
liar
next lie in
3
2
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Very curious how you got the “unedited version” of someone else’s (You)’s.
>516 in the first image shows a (you) for 512
>Magically that (you) disappears in the second image
The first one he posted was correct, the second one posted was an edit. They both can't be true...
There are four screenshots of posts. The first two both show (You)’s behind 512 (me) and not 516. The third image is some absolute dumbass who doesn’t understand the simple concept of how PrepHole works.
The fourth shows (You’s) behind 512 and 516… but no one would be able to take that screenshot except for the person who was being quoted.
>Responds to 512 with 516
>516 shows a (you) for 512
everything else is you lying
Which we both know you will continue to do. You don't have an intellectual leg to stand on at any level. You suck at land navigation and you continue to lie about very obviously responding to yourself.
You fricked up. The other irony is you're probably phone posting and PC posting and you think that images on fricking PrepHole...The hub of image editing... mean anything at all.
This whole tangent of you're samegayging moronation is a distraction from the fact that you're totally garbage at basic navigation.
what a mega cope!
There’s not a single image of 516 with a (You).
>you’re using two different devices!
Then the only explanation for your supposed screenshot in
is… what, exactly?
>it proves you’re the same person
Again, the only person who sees a (You) is the person who’s being replied to. If 512 and 516 were both me, you wouldn’t be able to take a screen shot showing (You)’s.
It’s pretty sad that you went through such lengths, Anon.
lol
lamo
you lie like water falls from the sky
>516 shows a 512(you)
>noooooo that's not what that means
priceless
continue
Yes, 516 shows a 512 (You). Of course it does; 516 is someone replying to my post (512). I took a screenshot
That same screenshot doesn’t show 516 (You) because 516 is a different person.
Why is that confusing? How new are you?
Wait lol you are showing "proof" of samegayging with a screenshot from the samegay's perspective showing the (you)s despite that image not being present outside of your post....
How much time did you just waste on that?
What were you thinking that would accomplish?
rofl even
Yeah, his screenshot shows replies to his own posts. He’s saying that’s proof of me samegayging. He’s either a double moron or… no, there’s no other explanation.
Also:
>rivers moving is much more likely than a simple misprint or the trail being redirected
Definitely a double moron.
>it's the "double moron" anon
The irony is the image they posted very clearly lists a you for 2509512 (samegayging) so at this point they're gaslighting like bignose.
516 was a response to 512. Someone responded to 516 with >samegayging. I posted a screenshot showing that 512 and 516 are different people.
There’s no way you don’t understand that. You can’t possibly be that moronic. It’s not hard to follow.
Lol!
lamo!!!
>triples down on lying
As expected.
You got problems dude--least of which is your total lack of direction.
Continue though, lamo.
>ask me how I know you're a pathological liar
frickin called it
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also, you assumed they made the trek before offline maps were prevalant so you're also pretty young.
Regardless, tell me the trail....if it actually happened which I'm sceptical.
I’m 41, and no, I did t assume that. It’s fricking insane to me that I can say we were using two paper maps and one guy had AllTrails on the group trip, while I had a paper map when I was solo years before, and everyone defers their argument to electronic devices and apps.
>Complains about low board quality
>continues to fill up half the thread with posts about samegayging
>literally schitsoposts
Your lack of self awareness is truly staggering.
>Rivers don't move over time!
>I don't need to check my position with distant points
>frick using a compass
>I couldn't find a road 50' away
...I think I see a pattern here.
Yeah, that guy should feel bad for being a braindead moronic
>walk back to where I think the trail is
>can't find it
This is a very basic use case for your compass. When you leave the trail, you set your bearing in the direction you're going to walk and stay on that bearing until you make camp. Now when you break camp, you know the exact direction to get back to the trail. You zoomers need to understand that your phone/GPS isn't magic. It's just one of many tools.
One time I went up the wrong side of the mountain and nearly died. I did zero preparation or research beforehand and decided to wing it one morning after breaking camp.
Occasionally does but I catch myself early on.
Most accident I've read is people became complacent especially on previously travelled route and kept going on and on, doesn't double check stuff until they can't recover
>Have you ever got turnt around and lost your way? How did you get back?
Yeah I got lost and ran out of water. I backtracked and found my way
BACK IN THE 90s:
>be hiking in outback Queensland
>friend leading the trail
>Trail seems to be getting rough
>Friend is pressing ahead confidently so. cool we must be good.
>Eventually deadends,
>Friend goes "Oh yeah i wasn't sure about this trail like ages ago"
>He brought a map of the area but no compass
>Figured it would just be trails
>All my boy scout useless facts kick in
>Holy shit i can make a compass one second.
>sewing kit for needle
>clip on sunglasses for magnet
>leaf to float it in a cup of water.
>Compare nearby mountains on map
>Find rough location and get a heading
>Find river we were meant to be near
>Find much better, well marked path.
THESE DAYS:
>Have smartphone,
>Screenshot any hiking trails or maps in the area
>Bring spare batteries
>Don't assume friend knows what he's doing
i got lost in athens once. very confusing city
I saw 3 UFO in athens as a kid while playing in a field
No, I've never been lost. Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, summer camp, JROTC (JROTC programs differ wildly; this was a good one), and the fact that I grew up hiking, fishing, and hunting saw to that.
Anyone can learn to use a map and compass in a few days, and be proficient within a few weeks/months. My only concern is that so many people have been relying on GPS for so many years now that their ability to map their environment in their heads is underdeveloped.
The stories in this thread are a great example of why I'm always telling people not to even leave clear sight of an established trail without knowing how to navigate, old-school. For all you know, some capacitor will pop in your mobile phone and it just goes dark. What then?
Got lost in the Blue Mountains, it was getting dark so I followed the one path back and then found a big radiotower I definitely didn't pass before. It was endless bush if I chose the wrong direction so just set up next to it for the night and went directly towards the nearest town the next day through the bush. It was winter so wasn't too worried about snakes.
Yeah, hiking in northern Michigan w map n compass.
Every time basically there's some access road or other that's not marked or marked totally inaccurately that throws me off.
It'd be fine if reading terrain was easy, but its a fairly flat, fully forested with poor vis, mess of undulating pots and knobs and unmarked ponds/marshes that's nightmare mode for orienteering.
Half the time I just beeline a general direction since I know generally where I'm going and would rather bushwhack than backtrack, which is sufficient since its not super wilderness and you'll hit something within a mile or two. Half the time I'm tired and just cheat with GPS.
I've never been lost more than about 300m is how I'd put it, reading those maps is challenging sometimes, so not like "lost" lost. Not sure how I'd get proper lost with a map n compass even in Michigan, never mind a backup phone. Maybe I'll find out some day..
Last example picrel
Walking along well worn hiking trail about knifepoint, headed N.
Landscape is endless knobs n pots, forested heavily, maybe 50ft vis places, 250ft at best others. Not Appalachian thick, so some vis.
I want to turn east at the access road and then south where it hits the other access road before the pond/lake.
Figuring out scale and distance is a weak point of mine in these conditions. The map is about 1.5km in width in photo.
Walking along that trail I come upon a saddle, down ENE of it is a marshy pond feature. I walk down out of pure autistic need to check it out. Neat. I walk back up, definitely the same trail. I take a compass reading, the trail continues at a 325 bearing give or take.
Continue on trail a few minutes as it curves around to a NE bearing, and come across a two-rut access road. Walk down it eastish and it goes along the north side of that same marshy pond thing I was just at, with clearcuts along its north edge.
Follow along it for a bit and... It just dies out after the marsh.
I look south past the marsh and see a hill. I walk up it and look east for that large pondlake. Eventually strike E/SE bushwhack and reach a pond. Figure its the "head" and track a SSE course to see if I can find the "body".
After a couple hundred feet I am just in the middle of dense woods getting mobbed by mosquitoes and clearly not where I thought I was.
Where am I, anon?
>no map key
>an obvious shit map with no elevation markings
>WhERe Am I
your on PrepHole very clearly demonstrating you don't know how to select a usable map or even if you did how to understand the key features on any map.
>no map key
Map key is not pictured, it is on the maps though (it's a tiled map system, one of them has it, I have since started adding them to all submaps for ease of use).
>no elevation markings
Literally blind.
> shit map
It's a standard topo map, plus sat imagery.
Troll along. I bet you don't even own a map. Road atlases don't count.
>It's a standard topo map but it doesn't have standard topo elevation markings and I didn't post the key so you can look up the map sheet
your map is trash and you're moronic
Not really lost but it's easy as frick to get turned around when you're hunting a new spot and someone does there best to relate directions on how to get to your stand and then you get more and more uncertain as you stumble around in the dark trying to find the fricking stand. Always works out tho.
This has litchrally never happened to me because my mother always read me this book when I was little
I didnt really get lost, but due to a forestfire a few months prior a trail i needed to find a way down a 300m cliff was no longer existant, so i had to hike out the way i came, wich took until multible hours after darkness. Not a very pleasant experience.
when i was 8 and got separated from my father in a new place some 600km away from home
we were gathering cloudberries and i just happened to find a trail of them that lead me so far away my shouts could not reach him
i dug few rocks out from the swamp and hit them against each other until he found me, back then i was afraid of bears too so it was real relief to see my angry dad shaking his fist in the distance
Smart kidanon
Im always amazed at how few people understand this simple trick. I remember hiking in a group of 4 and we split up in two two men teams to look at two different trails, to figure out which was the right one. 10 min later the other group started wistling loudly. The guy that was with me looked at me completely dumbfoundet, he couldnt figure out that the others couldnt find their way back to us and wanted us to come to them.
something else i also learned during that trip was not to shake dead trees no matter how fun it is because it will suddenly break and fall on you
never kicked or shook a tree like that again
>whistling
in this day of mobile phones whistling is an underrated art in more ways than one, me and my friends used to whistle each other just to see if we were at home
also with this one simple trick one could find his friends in the forest if needed
>this day of mobile phones whistling is an underrated art in more ways than one, me and my friends used to whistle each other just to see if we were at home
Dad always used the same 3 note whistle when I was growing up so we could easily find family members inawoods or even heavy crowds
My dad could whistle so loud that people would cover their ears, which he learned it because he was a band director and he could fricking overpower their instruments with a whistle during marching to get them to stop or call them to attention.
That was clever of you. What did your dad say when he found you?
he was angry he had to walk all that way, he was way over 50 years old back then
Everyone calm down. You have just officially met "You're lying" Anon. You'll be seeing a lot of him here.
Do we not have jannies in this place or what?
Guy is an omega tier troll that's completely sidetracked discussion so he can strut about his superior intellect. I don't know who would do that unironically, but I doubt he is capable of the multilevel thinking required for irony.
Once. I thought I knew were I was going, but then I came upon the body of dead backpacker, and realized that I'd been walking in circles.
What happened to the body?
It does happen a lot to me, especially if I am lost in my thoughts. I will start walking and only after a while will I notice that I am lost. Usually when that happens, I just find a familiar landmark and turn around and retrace my steps. It's kind of embarrassing how many times this has happened, but I learned my lesson and now I try to stay more aware of where I am walking,
I think getting lost is something everyone has gone through. We've all walked into unfamiliar territory without someone to show us the way. There's something about the uncertainty of the unknown that can be frightening but also liberating. To be free from the constraints of a map or a guidebook is to be truly free - to be able to go wherever you want.
One time I coomed and passed out right after. Woke up in the dark unable to find my way back. Thankfully I had my Garmin inReach Mini with me so I could call for help.
this happened to me but I was at home and my mom found me passed out laptop on stomach dick in hand
I once wanted to go to a park in my city and ended up outside of the city in the completely opposite site. I picked a different way to go back and after a while of wandering around in the general direction of my district I eventually found myself in a familiar place and came home. I made 3-4 attempts in total before getting to the park eventually but this one was the silliest.
I often allow myself to get lost for a challenge though I usually cheat after a while by checking my phone or asking a stranger, so it doesn't count. I missed several meetings this way.
Another time I was going to meet at a football field in a different park. I knew the park was next to a football stadium and I got to the stadium but couldn't find the park. Since I asked for the football field specifically strangers couldn't help me. They either directed me back to the stadium or another football field right next to it. I went to a tiny bit of forest between the stadium and the park I was looking for and there were people practicing bow shooting. I got this brilliant idea to approach them from the direction they were shooting at, so I interrupted them quite a bit. They gave me the right directions but I still managed to get lost in the forest. By the time I found my way to the park the meeting was over. In my defense, the park was in a basin surrounded by rocks and then a high fence and the forest, so I couldn't see it even though I was right next to it the whole time.
Its sad that this was and could have been a good and useful thread, except jannies can't do their one job and let a schizotroll take over.
>Posts an obvious post about not knowing shit about navigation
>spends 10 posts seething about samegayging after getting caught samegayging
>moods, mods!
Simply amazing.
>edits a screenshot and puts (You)’s behind different posts
>claims “this is the original”
>any such original would only be viewable by the person who posted it
Schizophrenic indeed
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lamo
that's literally from the original
ahahhaha
>pathological liar continues to obviously lie
Yes. It’s exactly as I said.
512 (You)
516… no you.
You left out the part showing it’s two different people. And you still haven’t explained your access to “the original.”
>this is the unedited version
>I have no explanation as to why I’m seeing these (You)’s on posts that aren’t mine
Are you ok?
>Another lie
<--lets ignore this post
I'm laughing so hard at you
you just can't help yourself but to lie and lie and lie
it's amazing actually
continue.
Tell us more about how you got lost on a trial a 9 year old girlscout could navigate without a map while you're at it.
your dedication to lying is truly epic.
It’s already been addressed.
If 512 and 516 were the same people, they would both have (You)’s behind the post link. Are you denying that? Or are you going to point to “the unedited version” that you still haven’t explained?
Anon is correct
516 is a self response to 512 or it wouldn't have a (you) in the post image.
Who gives a shit if you are samegayging or not your post quality is garbage. You are the thing you claim to hate.