Have we reached peak guns?

Temporary noguns moron here, just curious about the state of the industry cause it seems like improvements in firearms have at least somewhat plateaued in the last 50 years or so. Basically, I'm wondering what developments, if any are likely the next fundamental innovations for firearms. I feel like declaring firearms have been nearly perfected is shortsighted, even if the next major innovation takes a few centuries to arrive. Also if you have a rough guestimate of how far in the future you expect it to come about please share.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get your FFL03 license and search “curios and relics”, defined as guns 50 years or older. Pretty cool items floating around, but would you carry them? Bring them to the range? Use them to defend your home, children or prostitute wife? Absolutely not.

    They will continue to get more effective, safe and functional. I also can’t wait to see what ammunition does.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reductionist post.

      https://i.imgur.com/TZPnr0X.jpg

      Temporary noguns moron here, just curious about the state of the industry cause it seems like improvements in firearms have at least somewhat plateaued in the last 50 years or so. Basically, I'm wondering what developments, if any are likely the next fundamental innovations for firearms. I feel like declaring firearms have been nearly perfected is shortsighted, even if the next major innovation takes a few centuries to arrive. Also if you have a rough guestimate of how far in the future you expect it to come about please share.

      Anon there's always innovation, it just comes in waves. Prime example of crazy innovation is the Alien pistol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why don’t you explain your stupid ass ridiculous frickshit comment you stupid homosexual FUUUUUCK

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Reductionist post

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Alien is an incremental improvement. None of its technologies are novel.

        there have been a lot of innovations in the last 50 years but none of them have been massive improvements just kind of like how airplanes haven't really changed much in 50 years.

        you can say that revolvers have been perfected but they're making bottom bore revolvers now which is a new thing

        you can get nicer guns than you've ever been able to get for ridiculously cheap these days as long as you don't pay extra for marketing tax

        >making bottom bore revolvers now which is a new thing
        They were making Matebas in the 1980s.

        IMHO the main area where we are seeing, and will continue to see, major improvements is with optics. NV and thermals will continue to improve, become more compact. Aimbot scopes will be a thing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the main area where we are seeing, and will continue to see, major improvements is with optics
          and ammunition, those both have serious room for improvement

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, agreed 100% about the ammo.

            the industry has deeply stagnated for nearly 100 years, thanks to regulations making new development of substantial combat improvements more or less universally illegal. The aspirations of the OICW project, for example, depended on having a civilian population fricking with the guns to come up with something better- but that didn't happen, because the ammunition itself required a 200 dollar tax stamp- each.

            The next substantial gun developments will almost certainly be illegal and disruptive of conventional politics, simply because that is who is acting to upgrade beyond the norm.

            also when you talk about politics and the disruption of them, do you know that the captcha's take longer to generate?

            As if this place is a cloistered echo chamber of locally-hosted fodder on a per-server geographical basis too.

            Regulations are bullshit and certainly hurt R&D but a big factor is simply that it's all been tried already. From the later part of the 1800s up through the first few decades of the 1900's people tried pretty much everything. A lot of it is not well known today--not because people never tried, but because they idea was tested and flopped years ago.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >From the later part of the 1800s up through the first few decades of the 1900's people tried pretty much everything
              That's why .32 ACP handguns are my favorite. Since it was a relatively new concept, a lot of the shit we take for granted that every gun today has was patented and unusable (I think Browning held the patent on slides), so designs were goofy and had all sorts of weird shit going on. Basically, every gun company was Kel Tec from 1900 to 1935. Funny thing is, the Ruby pistol was one of the best pistols out there, because Spaniards just ignored patent laws and took a Colt 1903 and made it better (higher mag capacity, striker fired instead of concealed hammer, beefier springs, more compact).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Alien is an incremental improvement. None of its technologies are novel.

        [...]
        >making bottom bore revolvers now which is a new thing
        They were making Matebas in the 1980s.

        IMHO the main area where we are seeing, and will continue to see, major improvements is with optics. NV and thermals will continue to improve, become more compact. Aimbot scopes will be a thing.

        Was reading the list of "innovations" the Alien pistol made and the whole thime I was thinking, "This is just an FN M1900 with a red dot"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Listen here dont call my prostitute wife that

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    LSAT/Textron NGSW was basically perfect and peak 2000s tech. It was essentially Stoner's vision for the future. Fudds and neo-fudds in power and no real competition in the infantry small arms department means little innovation and whatever's developed is never adopted or refined.
    >few centuries to arrive
    No telling what it look like.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >might look like*

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Coil guns

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    we are at peak (almost) everything.
    things basically just get more needlessly complex with more needless features

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there have been a lot of innovations in the last 50 years but none of them have been massive improvements just kind of like how airplanes haven't really changed much in 50 years.

    you can say that revolvers have been perfected but they're making bottom bore revolvers now which is a new thing

    you can get nicer guns than you've ever been able to get for ridiculously cheap these days as long as you don't pay extra for marketing tax

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the industry has deeply stagnated for nearly 100 years, thanks to regulations making new development of substantial combat improvements more or less universally illegal. The aspirations of the OICW project, for example, depended on having a civilian population fricking with the guns to come up with something better- but that didn't happen, because the ammunition itself required a 200 dollar tax stamp- each.

    The next substantial gun developments will almost certainly be illegal and disruptive of conventional politics, simply because that is who is acting to upgrade beyond the norm.

    also when you talk about politics and the disruption of them, do you know that the captcha's take longer to generate?

    As if this place is a cloistered echo chamber of locally-hosted fodder on a per-server geographical basis too.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we have not reached peak guns until we finally go full ham on digital guns.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    YOU WILL ALL DIE OF PEAK GUNS IN 2020

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >high pressure
    >polymer or hybrid or stub cases
    >VLD-EPR bullets
    All proven viable with the technology of the 2000s and 2010s. They simply haven't been fielded because millennials haven't gotten control of the procurement bureaus yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure .357 Magnum is going to be obsolete within a decade; .38 Specials are getting so good now that the .357 is irrelevant

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks "obsolete" and "irrelevant" are fancy, two-dollar words
          What are you, moronic or something?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, but you clearly are

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Short-sighted
    >A few centuries
    Whatever... They've been more or less the same for the last 100 years and I'm expecting they're going to be until I'm dead unless we come up with something fundamentally different like magnets or lasers. k/ has this conversation at least once every 6 weeks with nothing really worth mentioning. As others mentioned people with time in the hobby and/or related professions are expecting better optics, night vision, drones/rc aircraft, armor, etc. As far as the rifle goes it's pretty much all figured out and most of recent research seems to be going to simplifying design and using polymer anywhere we can get away with it.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Perhaps the firearm action itself has been the perfected. But in the past 50 years we have seen a massive improvement in accessories (optics, slings, grips, lights, nvg, etc) and modifications to firearm bodies (mlok furniture, pic rail, etc). Compare an original M16A1 to a modern M4 for example. The latter is much more usable and represents a notable improvement for the user even if internally the two firearms aren't that different.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah pretty much, only so many ways you can improve firing a metal projectile into someones skull at supersonic speeds.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We haven't peaked until we have ar style rail guns and high power laser or hpem pulse fire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >lasers and railguns
      At what point does it stop being a gun? Like, you wouldn't call a crossbow a gun. Would a laser rifle be a gun?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Firearm? No. Would you want to call it a a "laser emitter" or "rail cannon"? Didn't think so. It's better than calling it a laser """rifle""" or "energy weapon".

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We still need to add every gun to the internet of things, and somehow integrate them with the cloud. Maybe by putting a small camera mounted axially on the side that saves footage 10 seconds before and after every pull of the trigger, uploads it to the cloud, and then sends it on to your nearest ATF office so that the officers there can review your gun usage to see if its legit or not.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How about we just log everyone's entire life from birth to death?

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