>have to spend over 1k to get a tent and a sleeping bag if I want to go backpacking
and that's only because I already have all the other gear, if I didn't have any it could easily be thousands of dollars just to see some trees, what the fuck?
>have to spend over 1k to get a tent and a sleeping bag if I want to go backpacking
No you can see the trees for free. If you paid for it you got swindled. Sleep on the dirt, deer do it all the time and they're fit as fuck.
Imagine thinking you can sleep on dirt
You can rent most backpacking gear from REI.
It's worth it to spent some money on a decent pack and boots. Everything else is case by case.
No it isn’t.
You don't *need* to spend more than $20 on a shelter.
it really fucking sucks they got rid of seasonal garage sales at rei. i bought a lot of my tents, sleeping bags etc for 1/5-1/10th the price by waiting out in line for those after christmas every year.
if you live in an american urban coastal city you can buy backpacking tents from homeless people for like $50-100 they get given them for charity then sell them for crack money.
you can still find lightly used tents for 50% price on reddit, that's what i do these days.
silnylon tarps with attachment points are like $80-100 now and you need a bug net or bivy this time of year and the sleeping pad + bag is the most expensive part of the shelter anyways.
i looked into it recently, no cheaper than a lanshan or used smd tent or used xmid.
Where is it this expensive bro, you can get decent stuff for wayyyy less.
bro
https://www.rei.com/product/164193/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2-tent
>wants to go backpacking
>gets a huge tent for no fucking reason
retard
https://www.rei.com/product/168433/rei-co-op-passage-2-tent-with-footprint
Not him but thanks this is better than the one I found earlier
Hmm thanks, anon, I'll buy this one for my first 15 mile hiking trip. What kind of sleeping bag would you recommend for summer? something not that hot considering I sleep better when I'm cold. Thank you. I already have pretty high end gear and I'm ready to go. I'm just stuck on the tent and sleeping bag combination, there's so many choices I don't know which one I should pick.
REI sells a combo with the Passage 2
Just search "Backpacking combo" and it'll pop up
It comes with a passage 2, sleeping bag, sleeping pad
What temps? For very hot deserts, walmart and other generic stores sell a simple down blanket that does really well. For medium-hot, just get a thin synthetic quilt with a shell fabric of 10-15D at most. Anything below 60ºF at night you'll want to consider buying a high end down bag or quilt like a 30ºF Enlightened Equipment quilt and sticking your legs out at night. A quilt like this is an investment piece which will last you a decade of heavy use or more, and you can pair one with a synthetic over-quilt for a really versatile combo to use in winter.
Please heed my advice, it's the same advice anyone who's been hiking for many years will give you, don't waste money on car-camping, gimmicky, milsurp or overengineered useless shit unless you want to buy everything twice when you inevitably realise you want to go lighter and more compact.
https://www.rei.com/c/mens-sleeping-bags?ir=category%3Amens-sleeping-bags&sort=min-price&r=c%3Btemperature-rating-f%3A40+and+above
check this link I set some filters to sort for low price and higher temp ratings, just stay away from the cringey wearable ones
Thank, anon. I've decided to go with the REI backpacking bundle.
I plan on doing as many peaks as possible on the Adirondacks next month. So temperatures between 40f-60f?
Do I really need an expensive sleeping bag and tent for those temperatures? the reason why I don't want to spend so much on those 2 things is because I'm mostly interested in winter hiking, and eventually get into mountaineering, I'm just trying to learn the basics of staying alive in the woods with this set up.
depends on if the mountain weather can shift suddenly. My mountains can have a perfect forecast and then boom, the odd freak sub-freezing night in summer.
and yes, put your money in a good sleeping bag. Insulation is the one place where you can't really skimp, as the cheaper ones degrade and lose loft quickly and weigh too much/ pack too big. Get a good down one and you'll have it for a decade or more with proper care, and combine it with a synthetic outer bag for a god-tier winter system used by many mountaineers and distance trekkers (the outer bag absorbs your body's vapour which condenses inside the synthetic insulation without collapsing the inner down bag).
Tents come and go and you'll probably sell yours and try many different ones before settling on your ideal combination (this is common practice, hence the number of second hand gear swap forums). You won't know til you try. However, a sleeping bag is a buy-once-cry-once affair. There's little difference between the brands, only varying levels of quality and craftsmanship. Oh, and the difference between a quilt or a bag (I prefer a bag for everything but high summer).
If you're serious about the hobby don't waste money on a shit bag, splash out on a quality bag and go cheap everywhere else. It's what all the lifestyle dirtbags who live on catfood and ramen and thrifted clothes and hike half the year will tell you too.
Are you guys talking about winter, or summer? I wouldn't mind spending a couple grand on a tent/bag set up for winter, but as I've said, I'm just looking for something not that expensive and with decent quality for this summer in the Adirondacks. I'll get this
https://www.rei.com/product/168432/rei-co-op-backpacking-bundle?sku=1684320001
This will only be used during this summer until I get used to camping, and once I have a little more knowledge I can upgrade to something better. I do plan on getting a good high end set up for winter though, just don't want to blow a grand on gear for summer because I don't find summer camping that interesting.
talking about shoulder seasons for a 30ºF bag and winter with a supplemental over-quilt
>link
yeah, looks like a decent deal actually, just don't seethe when you want to upgrade individual elements once you get a feel for what's out there. backpackinglight.com and especially their podcast is an excellent resource to really master your skillset and gear once you're a bit more experienced. Oh, and don't expect that tent to survive serious winds.
important advice: don't rely on that airmat. especially as a n00b you're inevitably going to pop it on an invisible thorn or sharp rock, have a terrible sleepless night and maybe decide you hate camping. Bring a thin foam pad to put underneath it, something like a gossamer gear thinlight or a car windscreen insulation pad cut to size which will protect it. also, add a few dots of silicone to the bottom of the air pad if it's slipping around, it'll grip the floor and stop you sliding off so easily. If you don't sleep well on air mats, try a few combinations of layers of foam mats (I like a 6mm eva foam pad over a Z-lite, very comfy and don't need to inflate anything, just chuck it on the ground and snuggle down).
>have a terrible sleepless night
Thst is what camping is all about though.
t. Slept zero hours tonight because some fucking vent in the cabin I was staying was letting in mosquitos + midnight sun + scared of shitting myself after diarrhoea earlier in the day.
I had both a great day and a great working though
30F quilt or bag is good to much lower temperatures when paired with a thick belay jacket (an essential in winter with at least 200g of down or synthetic insulation), and with a synthetic over-quilt (as i explained an important and robust system for winter moisture management) it's gonna serve you for a very wide range of temperatures
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i have owned many tents including your Big Agnes copper spur, and sold all but this cheap chinese pyramid. I love it. it's really simple and easy to set up and weighs 320g. Very cheap and more wind-shedding and strong that the ones you looked at in a storm. Pair it with a suitable inner (either a bivy like the EE Recon or Borah bivy, a net like the s2s Nano Single, or a pyramid inner from aliexpress) and make your own carbon pegs with 3 or 4mm diameter carbon rod and 2x 3mm star washers like the pic related (and buy a single titanium vargo nail to hammer pilot holes in dense soil). If you want to customise it further, swap the guy lines for 1.5mm dyneema or woven polyester cord. Then find a suitable stick or use a medium-sturdiness trekking pole (no flimsy carbon running poles).
then you'll have totally maxxed out the tent game, there's very very few ways you could get a (minor at best) lighter, cheaper, roomier, fabric/seam quality and stormworthy tent than this combination. This should weigh 600g with inner tent and pegs.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32792126989.html? spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.3.4f6f3f90PWe0al&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.267768.0&scm_id=1007.40000.267768.0&scm-url=1007.40000.267768.0&pvid=62e5febf-23b1-4718-b5e5-2272ce3b8429&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.267768.0,pvid:62e5febf-23b1-4718-b5e5-2272ce3b8429,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238109%23244&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2263748875771%22%2C%22sceneId%22%3A%2230050%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21GBP%21%2141.96%21%21%21%21%21%40211b442116581151055483351e230a%2163748875771%21rec
2nded, if just solo the 1 person version of this is much better, its more like a 1.5p tent and not cramped like other 1p tents.
Ive used this one for winter (-3C not that cold) and for summer, it works well and its easy to setup. Only complaint is the non zipper side has bad wind protection while the zipper side is fine.
>ultralight
There’s your problem. Are you doing the PCT or AT or something? No? Then why do Ultralight?
>bringing the inside outside
>not bringing the outside inside
Go get a tent, a sleeping bag and an air mattress from walmart or kmart or some shit
Probably $100 at most
>this weeb making 20 threads a day about his first backpacking trip he's gonna take
Its kinda cute
Only spend $1000 on a tent and backpack if you're carrying them 1000 miles, and maybe not even then. If you're just going five miles into the woods to get away from people, some ancient used 7 lb pack ($50) and a 5 lb tent ($100) will be just fine. You're probably carrying a case of beer, too.
>Shelter and pack
chinese pyramid tent: $50
polycro groundsheet: $10
diy carbon stakes: $10
30ºF down bag from a good brand: $100-200 (cheaper used)
generic simple backpack with extras snipped off: $30
thrifted fanny pack: $2
>Clothes:
froggs toggs ultralite jacket: $15
tyvek rain kilt: $2
thrift store cap, fleece, shirt, troos: $20
dollar store fleece gloves, sunnies, sun-gloves: $?
walmart fleece pants: $3
walmart nylon socks: $2
DIY rain gloves made from old rain jacket or tyvek: free
uniqlo or second hand puffy: $20-40
trail runners: $20-60
>cooking, misc and first aid
imusa aluminium grease pot and foil windshield: $3
popcan stove: free
plastic spoon: free
alcohol fuel: $2
j-cloth: free
lighter: free
duct tape: $1 (you'll only need a small amount)
ibuprofen and immodium pills: $2
needle and thread: free
>Navigation/electrical
nitecore NU25 headtorch: $15-25
anker power bank for phone: $15
simple compass: $2-10
done, a kit that will take you to just about any corner of the globe in lightweight style. this exact kit list has served me for 4000 miles in 8 countries so far. I bought a lot of expensive fancy gear at the beginning but most of it was over-engineered, over-marketed and needlessly heavy.
>saved
Thank you anon, I will research all of this and buy what I need. I love you.
Got it, thank you.
btw the uniqlo puffies are from the same supplier as all the puffies on aliexpress. completely identical side by side down to the details. they're like $15-20 on there.
also where the hell do you live where a box of immodium isn't $10? jealous. every single little thing in my medical kit is a $10 nickel and dime moron.
USA must be a magical country if a 3$ pair of pants is good for anything at all, especially hiking
Fleece pants bro, they're usually sold in a set. Not exactly made for hiking but they won't disintegrate.
Cuddle duds is the brand.
no surprise that an anime poster is a clinical retard
Lunar Solo: $250 (or X-Mid for $220 if you don’t mind waiting)
Jack R Better 40° down quilt: $180
Honestly OP, you’re not trolling very well. Must be actually retarded.
>tent
Take the hammock pill, anon.
>>have to spend over 1k to get a tent and a sleeping bag
in what, zimbabwe dollars? a 1 person tent, a tarp, and bag costs like $60 USD combined if that.
i think anon is talking about backpacking gear, not "for the kids in the backyard" grade gear.
https://tetonsports.com/products/backpackers-bundle
Whine whine whine. Who is this miserable whineposter
>tent
you can get a tarp, or a tyvek for 10 bucks
>sleeping bag
just bring a quilt or extra jacket so you dont get too chilly at night
Just make a nest.
>Another one of these
Just don't molest any children you see
Start playing golf, I'm around the trees every time I play.....
Kys City fag. They are very expensive and anyone telling you to make a tarp shelter or buy a hammock is a fed. The woods will kill you unless you have a 2k tent that has WiFi.
>>have to spend over 1k to get a tent and a sleeping bag
stopped reading
the fuck is wrong with this board?
buy surplus mah dude
Shitty bait.