I'm sure at some point in the last thousand years someone in china or Okinawa beat someone to death with a short bit of crooked wood. It would be weird if something like that never happened.
Lots of different people will tell you lots of different things about what the "Tonfa" is supposed to resemble, a Crutch, a Lever, various bits of tools, but I've come to the conclusion that it, like the majority of "strange" martial arts weapons, was meant to prepare you to fight with basically whatever you had lying around, i.e. that there would be enough "crossover" between the weird martial arts weapons you'd used and anything you happened to be able to lay your hands on in an emergency that you could still protect yourself (or ambush someone).
In other words, they trained people to fight with this kind of thing so that if you were unarmed (or trying to appear unarmed) and all you could get your hands on was a crutch or a table leg or whatever, you'd be able to surprise your opponent because it's "similar enough".
So you take a guy and you train him to fight with a dozen weapons that are all "similar enough" to all sorts of things he'll find lying around: shovels, sticks, knives of any size, various pots and handles off of shit, wheels, rope, whatever. Point is, those hypothetical dozen weapons actually cover a huge variety of shit he might be able to grab in a hurry.
unfathomably based and kobudo-pilled
https://i.imgur.com/D5LBcay.jpg
Have these things ever been used in actual combat? They don't look very practical.
this
https://i.imgur.com/dgFYRsU.jpg
Underrated post.
Also most of those more exotic-looking things were originally exactly that: Farming tools and other houshold items that were repurposed as ad hoc weapons. It was less about "trying to avoid suHispanicion of the land lord" but more like "We are dirt poor farmers and this is all we kinda have, so roll with it.".
Pictured: Japanese millstone and it's turning handle.
nothing is very practical when you've been systemically disarmed, it's a fucking stick with a handle on it, but it still kicks ass
i think out of all the japanese meme weapons theyre the least silly. it lets you jab and block and is pretty simply to figure out.
a lot of those "meme weapons" were coincidentally developed independently by other cultures half the planet away (slungshots and maces for example) but I'm sure that's probably because they don't work, just like how atl-atl are found in archaeological digs literally everywhere on the planet
that's my autistic ass, though occasionally I prefer the classics instead of the easily disassembled and hidden version, they're the jap equivalent of a sap/celtic slammer but with the added versatility of flexible weapons, are readily constructed, concealed, carried, and are deadly.
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Back in the 70s/80s when kung fu movies and general oriental exoticism was at its peak popularity, tons of people bought meme martial arts weapons like nunchucks and tonfas and beat the shit out of each other. They definitely work.
my old man used to carry nunchucks in a briefcase when he was driving a cab in Manhattan back in the 70's, only had to pull 'em out once when a fare didn't wanna' pay and started acting threatening, after which the man ran across the road and furiously started pulling on tree branches so he could get a stick before finally giving up and walking away dejectedly as the neighborhood kids laughed at him - always makes me smile to think about
"Actual combat" cops carried them for years. Worked pretty well against Rodney King from what I remember.
Yes they were used by cops as the PR-24, decades of use beating ppls ass with them.
It was a trick when nightsticks were banned, these were supposed to be "humane" lol
completely viable
https://i.imgur.com/l4R9DsY.jpg
>Have these things ever been used in actual combat? They don't look very practical.
Police use them calling them "nightsticks" and you can beat the ever living hell out of someone with them. They are meant to give you a huge advantage against an unarmed oponent, not allow you to fight on the battlefield against soldiers with proper weapons.
Police use them more as compliance batons, rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd.
>rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd
They're excellent police batons. A Tonfa is literally a police baton with a side handle for even more versatility and ease of use. I don't know what more you're expecting from it.
PR24 is a meme. A straight baton is perfectly fine for the vast majority of duties. In Rodney King they were doing it wrong.
I'm sure at some point in the last thousand years someone in china or Okinawa beat someone to death with a short bit of crooked wood. It would be weird if something like that never happened.
Lots of different people will tell you lots of different things about what the "Tonfa" is supposed to resemble, a Crutch, a Lever, various bits of tools, but I've come to the conclusion that it, like the majority of "strange" martial arts weapons, was meant to prepare you to fight with basically whatever you had lying around, i.e. that there would be enough "crossover" between the weird martial arts weapons you'd used and anything you happened to be able to lay your hands on in an emergency that you could still protect yourself (or ambush someone).
In other words, they trained people to fight with this kind of thing so that if you were unarmed (or trying to appear unarmed) and all you could get your hands on was a crutch or a table leg or whatever, you'd be able to surprise your opponent because it's "similar enough".
So you take a guy and you train him to fight with a dozen weapons that are all "similar enough" to all sorts of things he'll find lying around: shovels, sticks, knives of any size, various pots and handles off of shit, wheels, rope, whatever. Point is, those hypothetical dozen weapons actually cover a huge variety of shit he might be able to grab in a hurry.
Underrated post.
Also most of those more exotic-looking things were originally exactly that: Farming tools and other houshold items that were repurposed as ad hoc weapons. It was less about "trying to avoid suHispanicion of the land lord" but more like "We are dirt poor farmers and this is all we kinda have, so roll with it.".
Pictured: Japanese millstone and it's turning handle.
I'm sure for slant peasants there were times in the past when the greater concealability of two sticks tied together was worthwhile as opposed to one big stick.
i think out of all the japanese meme weapons theyre the least silly. it lets you jab and block and is pretty simply to figure out.
https://i.imgur.com/5xFa2dJ.png
kek
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nothing is very practical when you've been systemically disarmed, it's a fucking stick with a handle on it, but it still kicks ass
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a lot of those "meme weapons" were coincidentally developed independently by other cultures half the planet away (slungshots and maces for example) but I'm sure that's probably because they don't work, just like how atl-atl are found in archaeological digs literally everywhere on the planet
Back in the 70s/80s when kung fu movies and general oriental exoticism was at its peak popularity, tons of people bought meme martial arts weapons like nunchucks and tonfas and beat the shit out of each other. They definitely work.
i hit a gypsy over the knee with an aluminium bar nunchuk, he made a weird frog sound and i ran away cause i dont wanna go to jail. You don't have to be some sort of Bruce Lee, you just gotta swing it at someone and hit a boney part like knee, elbow, pelvis or cranium.
>the side handle is cosmetic
It's a logical addition to the police baton, silly
https://i.imgur.com/D5LBcay.jpg
Have these things ever been used in actual combat? They don't look very practical.
>They don't look very practical
If you take a police baton (which is an ordinary stick) and optimise it a step further, you get the tonfa.
Your picture shows exactly the primary purpose of the side handle, to make a defensive stance much more difficult to break by an opponent who isn't armed with anything more than a stick or more likely their bare hands. Suddenly your bare hands are augmented with this stick, which makes blocking as easy as raising your arm.
Offensively - You fellas like brass knuckles, right? The tonfa operates on the same principle, but for one's whole forearm. It's really quite intuitive.
Personally I still prefer Western singlestick. But that doesn't mean the tonfa is still quite effective.
This anon got it right. Also makes downward strikes of any kind really nasty, blocking actually doable, and gives your jabs a lot of extra reach and concentrates the force to make throwing punches brainless. People itt need to compare these kinds of weapons to being completely unarmed, not real actual purpose built murder sticks.
Capcha: Y0JSTD
I was always under the impression that they were a kind of oriental brass knuckle
The long part covers the specific parts of your arms that you use to block strikes and the short part extends just far enough forward to hit someone instead of your fists when you throw a punch
Yes they were used by cops as the PR-24, decades of use beating ppls ass with them.
It was a trick when nightsticks were banned, these were supposed to be "humane" lol
completely viable
None of you have staked your life on using a wooden object shape to deter or break someone who's goal is to ruin your day.
A stick is a lever. A lever depends upon multiplying force until the material breaking point. A tongfa is an adequate but conservative such lever. Hockey sticks are much better at beating ass as a muscle force multiplier if you're used to using one. It would look stupid as fuck but be very effective if riot cops all carried hockey sticks. Given very little training you can use a hockey stick to literally pick someone's pocket, they are just that deft.
>Have these things ever been used in actual combat? They don't look very practical.
Police use them calling them "nightsticks" and you can beat the ever living hell out of someone with them. They are meant to give you a huge advantage against an unarmed oponent, not allow you to fight on the battlefield against soldiers with proper weapons.
Police use them more as compliance batons, rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd.
>rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd
They're excellent police batons. A Tonfa is literally a police baton with a side handle for even more versatility and ease of use. I don't know what more you're expecting from it.
The tonfa drills and kata seem to be about stances, using two at a time, and using elbow strikes like OP image. I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons.
Kata are abstract bullshit typically so far removed from any real world combat scenario that they're kind of useless (you have to "translate" the idealized forms into real techniques) but they give a bunch of students something to do forever. Ergo, police are likely using them in the best most realistic manner.
>I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons
Because police use them as easier-to-use batons and are issued one only anyway, whereas those martial arts dudes are trying to squeeze every inch of usability out of the tonfa
They're not both drilling with the same objectives in mind
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PR24 is a meme. A straight baton is perfectly fine for the vast majority of duties. In Rodney King they were doing it wrong.
You'll find that a tonfa makes standard baton drill easier AND produces more options
>They're not both drilling with the same objectives in mind
Cops aren't drilling at all, it's a sadistic pain compliance weapon that looks funny to sedate the onlookers.
It just goes WHACK! WHACK! WHACK! WACK! WACK!
When it comes down to it everything police use that is "less lethal" is a sadistic pain compliance weapon.
It is quite literally their job to force you to comply with the law, and to arrest those who do not by any means and pain is one of the most effective means.
The baton is the most efficient and versatile weapon available to a policeman. Especially the wooden ones since you can just flick your wrist and smash a bottle. Can you do that with the plastic nu-PR24 or a stendo baton?
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Anonymous
>Can you do that with the plastic
Are you complaining about form factor or materials?
>I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons.
you'be never seen police at all, you are 12 years old.
go to bed, Timmy, adults are talking
>They are meant to give you a huge advantage against an unarmed oponent, not allow you to fight on the battlefield against soldiers with proper weapons.
Actually literally designed to give a peasant the ability to defeat a trained samurai. Tonfa are rice grinding instruments.
Nunchaku are rice flails. Sai are for carrying hay bails. Bo staffs are literally that Asian water carrying trope. They're all farming instruments that were weaponized. Then all that kata or dancing was to teach their use in secret in systems that anyone could learn, and some could master.
Samurai shows up to rape your daughter, draws his sword knowing peasant sword and martial training is forbidden by the emperor, and is immediately knocked on his ass then throttled to death. As has been the Ryukyu way for centuries.
It's actually a pretty solid concept. >outside of forearms somewhat work as shields >punching deals considerable damage by focusing it to a point >flip around and you have a straight club
Adjust the concept and this shit is downright terrifying. >fix a spike to the short end >slightly widen and curve long end
Now it's an actual shield with a spear tip.
In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone.
Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
All this shit only serves the ends of enforcing low stakes authoritarian abuse.
Back alley beatings by overgrown highschoolers.
>In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone. >Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
Dumb fuck. they need multiple tools for multiple scenarios. When police only have firearms they have a binary answer: shoot or not shoot. If a crowd gets ansy they can only shoot.
>Boston massacre >Kent State
Both examples where soldiers had fire-arms and nothing else to control a crowd, and had to resort to firing to calm the crowd. Both resulted in low amount of actual deaths, but the outrages from them was extremely politically costly. If they had ran in with riot gear, beat them down, literally NO ONE would remember those two incidents.
massacre
The redcoats were not equipped properly at all. Not only were they not given clubs for a mere civil disturbance, they also were not given helmets. >>Kent State
They only wore helmets at Kent State, no vests. Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland was even worse because the paratroopers only had vests, no helmets because they wore berets instead.
>In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone. >Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
Dumb fuck. they need multiple tools for multiple scenarios. When police only have firearms they have a binary answer: shoot or not shoot. If a crowd gets ansy they can only shoot.
>Boston massacre >Kent State
Both examples where soldiers had fire-arms and nothing else to control a crowd, and had to resort to firing to calm the crowd. Both resulted in low amount of actual deaths, but the outrages from them was extremely politically costly. If they had ran in with riot gear, beat them down, literally NO ONE would remember those two incidents.
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massacre >The redcoats were not equipped properly at all.
all they had to do was leave an innocent Black man alone and the whole thing would have been forgotten. This country was founded on defending Black people from tyranny. >Kent state
lmao you are clueless that was rich trust fund babies shooting working class men and women for the crime of attending higher education. crowd control my ass, you bootlicking gay
The options are fire, or do nothing and possibly let the crowd overwhelm you. Did you see the Turkish coup? A bunch of soldiers were given orders to hold various bridges, but they had no idea what was going on. Then angry violent crowds gathered, and started attacking, and a few soldiers got lynched because they didn't want to fire into the crowd.
>Boston Massacre
They could've simply charged and beat the crowd with clubs. Even better if they wore helmets and breastplates as proto riot gear. >Kent State
Probably only happened because some reporter shot a gun for some reason and the Guardsmen instantly turned around and fired because they thought it was a sniper. It would explain why some people in higher-floor buildings got shot.
>And personally, I was standing there saying, they're not going to shoot, they can't do that. If they are going to shoot, it's going to be blank.[37] >Butler said that as the guardsmen formed in a kneeling position and pointed their rifles, "Everybody laughed, because, c'mon, you're not going to shoot us."
Epitome of fuck around, find out
They're so fucking retarded. A real eye opening moment was actually reading up more on the 60's and 70's hippie and protests movements rather than let the boomers tell their own stories. The story they tell is very self-congradulatory and is filled with tons of omissions. Nixon won landslide elections, was a very smart, capable guy and not the insane crazy person they portrayed him ass. The Vietnam was was a clusterfuck but more morally justifiable - and more akin to a Vietamese Civil War than anything. And hippies and students were idiots who deserved everything they got and then some.
Also hippies then and now are some of the most vile people ever. No wonder Manson fit in.
> The Vietnam was was a clusterfuck but more morally justifiable - and more akin to a Vietamese Civil War than anything.
It had become essentially a civil war, but there was still zero reason for American lives to be lost getting involved in an internal Vietnamese conflict. Intervening in that war made no sense, was a complete waste of life and money, and there’s no way to justify it aside from ad hoc excuses about the spread of communism (which never materialized because communists always eat each other, just look at the Sino-Soviet split or the Vietnamese and Chinese conflicts). And yeah Nixon received too much blame for it and Johnson too little.
>It had become essentially a civil war, but there was still zero reason for American lives to be lost getting involved in an internal Vietnamese conflict.
USA doesn't exist on mars, it exists in the world and they have interests. Namely that China and USSR suck, and they want allies against them. Vietnam is ideal as a bulwark against China. Irony - USA has ties to Vietnam, and the Vietamese economy is growing as well. They'd be best pals if it weren't that Vietnam is still officially communist, with a politburo without democracy. In practice, Vietnam would have everything it has now but better had the South won. They're wasting time on communism memes.
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Anonymous
Ok Kissinger still a complete waste. It’s like people now explaining how we need to send billions to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or Ukraine. I am sick and tired of it and I feel that’s a patriotic opinion to hold, not a hippie one. We only started playing games on the world stage after WW2 after all. We can return to looking after our own interests first, rather than looking after those of NATO/UN/Britain/France/etc. and sending our men to die for their causes. South Vietnam was also an infamously corrupt state, and I don’t know if it really would have proven any better than what we ended up with. Maybe after enough aid we could’ve turned it into another South Korea, but knowing the Vietnamese and their tendency towards corruption I doubt it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes I John Smith from Ohio Pradesh agree and I will be writing my Governor and Chief Minister and the American National Congress to stop sending our men to die for European nations
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They'd be best pals if it weren't that Vietnam is still officially communist
Vietnam wouldn't have been communist if the US had sided with them from the get-go instead of propping up France's desires to remain a colonial power.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retarded meme. Ho Chi Minh was a commie long before muh Woodrow Wilson.
This is like saying "don't bother intervening in the Ukraine war, Russians will always eat each other in the end". NO, you have to intervene, because in the process of eating each other, they will destroy too much of the world.
Pull up a map of everywhere that has had Russian/Chinese-backed revolutions, uprisings or coups. Imagine all of them allied against NATO and/or turned into Cambodia-tier shitholes. One, it's a horrific loss of life and destruction of global resources; two, they might actually reach a critical mass and decide "fuck it, we should attack NATO"... and they might just win.
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Anonymous
You’re absolutely ridiculous and I hope you start WW3 and have a nice day globohomo piece of shit > Imagine all of them allied against NATO and/or turned into Cambodia-tier shitholes
Yeah “Imagine” they ally because it will never happen in a million and a half years.
All Okinawan weapons are fantastic in lore and use. The tonfa is exceptional at suppression. Which is why it's in use today at scale in policing. I always wanted to beat the shit out of someone with an fisherman's oar or eku. Just because it looks like it'd be a lot of fun if you were really well trained. It's like the polearm of bow staffs.
Just about every weapon coming out of Asia is some goofy bullshit. These are the same cultures who created numerous bullshido martial arts with zero practical use in fighting and students pretend their geriatric teacher has a magic field around him. It's all mythology. If you want to know which weapons have real use you need to look to Europe where wars have been just about interrupted.
put the chair back together, retard
kek
unfathomably based and kobudo-pilled
this
nothing is very practical when you've been systemically disarmed, it's a fucking stick with a handle on it, but it still kicks ass
a lot of those "meme weapons" were coincidentally developed independently by other cultures half the planet away (slungshots and maces for example) but I'm sure that's probably because they don't work, just like how atl-atl are found in archaeological digs literally everywhere on the planet
I recognize you. You're the guy that always posts the locking nuts on a string.
that's my autistic ass, though occasionally I prefer the classics instead of the easily disassembled and hidden version, they're the jap equivalent of a sap/celtic slammer but with the added versatility of flexible weapons, are readily constructed, concealed, carried, and are deadly.
my old man used to carry nunchucks in a briefcase when he was driving a cab in Manhattan back in the 70's, only had to pull 'em out once when a fare didn't wanna' pay and started acting threatening, after which the man ran across the road and furiously started pulling on tree branches so he could get a stick before finally giving up and walking away dejectedly as the neighborhood kids laughed at him - always makes me smile to think about
Pretty sure cops used to beat people with them. Haven't seen them in a while so they've probably been phased out.
PR24 is a meme. A straight baton is perfectly fine for the vast majority of duties. In Rodney King they were doing it wrong.
I'm sure at some point in the last thousand years someone in china or Okinawa beat someone to death with a short bit of crooked wood. It would be weird if something like that never happened.
Lots of different people will tell you lots of different things about what the "Tonfa" is supposed to resemble, a Crutch, a Lever, various bits of tools, but I've come to the conclusion that it, like the majority of "strange" martial arts weapons, was meant to prepare you to fight with basically whatever you had lying around, i.e. that there would be enough "crossover" between the weird martial arts weapons you'd used and anything you happened to be able to lay your hands on in an emergency that you could still protect yourself (or ambush someone).
In other words, they trained people to fight with this kind of thing so that if you were unarmed (or trying to appear unarmed) and all you could get your hands on was a crutch or a table leg or whatever, you'd be able to surprise your opponent because it's "similar enough".
So you take a guy and you train him to fight with a dozen weapons that are all "similar enough" to all sorts of things he'll find lying around: shovels, sticks, knives of any size, various pots and handles off of shit, wheels, rope, whatever. Point is, those hypothetical dozen weapons actually cover a huge variety of shit he might be able to grab in a hurry.
Underrated post.
Also most of those more exotic-looking things were originally exactly that: Farming tools and other houshold items that were repurposed as ad hoc weapons. It was less about "trying to avoid suHispanicion of the land lord" but more like "We are dirt poor farmers and this is all we kinda have, so roll with it.".
Pictured: Japanese millstone and it's turning handle.
thats pretty fucking fancy for a mill stone
agreed
they're for theatrics like nunchuks and three sectioned staff
I'm sure for slant peasants there were times in the past when the greater concealability of two sticks tied together was worthwhile as opposed to one big stick.
Shut the fuck up, Shad.
Back in the 70s/80s when kung fu movies and general oriental exoticism was at its peak popularity, tons of people bought meme martial arts weapons like nunchucks and tonfas and beat the shit out of each other. They definitely work.
i hit a gypsy over the knee with an aluminium bar nunchuk, he made a weird frog sound and i ran away cause i dont wanna go to jail. You don't have to be some sort of Bruce Lee, you just gotta swing it at someone and hit a boney part like knee, elbow, pelvis or cranium.
Romanian Jandarmerie uses them actively.
Publicly acceptable beating stick, the side handle is cosmetic.
>the side handle is cosmetic
It's a logical addition to the police baton, silly
>They don't look very practical
If you take a police baton (which is an ordinary stick) and optimise it a step further, you get the tonfa.
Your picture shows exactly the primary purpose of the side handle, to make a defensive stance much more difficult to break by an opponent who isn't armed with anything more than a stick or more likely their bare hands. Suddenly your bare hands are augmented with this stick, which makes blocking as easy as raising your arm.
Offensively - You fellas like brass knuckles, right? The tonfa operates on the same principle, but for one's whole forearm. It's really quite intuitive.
Personally I still prefer Western singlestick. But that doesn't mean the tonfa is still quite effective.
They're cope weapons for cultures that forbid the owning or carrying of weapons.
i think out of all the japanese meme weapons theyre the least silly. it lets you jab and block and is pretty simply to figure out.
This anon got it right. Also makes downward strikes of any kind really nasty, blocking actually doable, and gives your jabs a lot of extra reach and concentrates the force to make throwing punches brainless. People itt need to compare these kinds of weapons to being completely unarmed, not real actual purpose built murder sticks.
Capcha: Y0JSTD
probably not great for blocking, but just looking at the design, it seems like a pretty decent 'non-lethal' weapon.
hold it by the small handle to extend and add much more pain to your jab. hold it like a regular club for the extremely recalcitrant Black.
I was always under the impression that they were a kind of oriental brass knuckle
The long part covers the specific parts of your arms that you use to block strikes and the short part extends just far enough forward to hit someone instead of your fists when you throw a punch
Correct
"Actual combat" cops carried them for years. Worked pretty well against Rodney King from what I remember.
Yes they were used by cops as the PR-24, decades of use beating ppls ass with them.
It was a trick when nightsticks were banned, these were supposed to be "humane" lol
completely viable
Now they use collapsable batons.
Yie Ar Kung-Fu
all cop beatsticks are purely for ass beating purposes
None of you have staked your life on using a wooden object shape to deter or break someone who's goal is to ruin your day.
A stick is a lever. A lever depends upon multiplying force until the material breaking point. A tongfa is an adequate but conservative such lever. Hockey sticks are much better at beating ass as a muscle force multiplier if you're used to using one. It would look stupid as fuck but be very effective if riot cops all carried hockey sticks. Given very little training you can use a hockey stick to literally pick someone's pocket, they are just that deft.
>a bigger stick is more powerful than a smaller stick
No shit
>Have these things ever been used in actual combat? They don't look very practical.
Police use them calling them "nightsticks" and you can beat the ever living hell out of someone with them. They are meant to give you a huge advantage against an unarmed oponent, not allow you to fight on the battlefield against soldiers with proper weapons.
Police use them more as compliance batons, rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd.
compliance = unconsciousness
>rather than how tonfa are intended to be usd
They're excellent police batons. A Tonfa is literally a police baton with a side handle for even more versatility and ease of use. I don't know what more you're expecting from it.
The tonfa drills and kata seem to be about stances, using two at a time, and using elbow strikes like OP image. I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons.
Kata are abstract bullshit typically so far removed from any real world combat scenario that they're kind of useless (you have to "translate" the idealized forms into real techniques) but they give a bunch of students something to do forever. Ergo, police are likely using them in the best most realistic manner.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8Q9j6sjwOMo
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>I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons
Because police use them as easier-to-use batons and are issued one only anyway, whereas those martial arts dudes are trying to squeeze every inch of usability out of the tonfa
They're not both drilling with the same objectives in mind
You'll find that a tonfa makes standard baton drill easier AND produces more options
>They're not both drilling with the same objectives in mind
Cops aren't drilling at all, it's a sadistic pain compliance weapon that looks funny to sedate the onlookers.
It just goes WHACK! WHACK! WHACK! WACK! WACK!
When it comes down to it everything police use that is "less lethal" is a sadistic pain compliance weapon.
It is quite literally their job to force you to comply with the law, and to arrest those who do not by any means and pain is one of the most effective means.
>is a sadistic pain compliance weapon.
based.
The baton is the most efficient and versatile weapon available to a policeman. Especially the wooden ones since you can just flick your wrist and smash a bottle. Can you do that with the plastic nu-PR24 or a stendo baton?
>Can you do that with the plastic
Are you complaining about form factor or materials?
>I've never seen police use them like that, and instead as batons.
you'be never seen police at all, you are 12 years old.
go to bed, Timmy, adults are talking
What is this stance called again?
Looks like offset bow stance.
>They are meant to give you a huge advantage against an unarmed oponent, not allow you to fight on the battlefield against soldiers with proper weapons.
Actually literally designed to give a peasant the ability to defeat a trained samurai. Tonfa are rice grinding instruments.
Nunchaku are rice flails. Sai are for carrying hay bails. Bo staffs are literally that Asian water carrying trope. They're all farming instruments that were weaponized. Then all that kata or dancing was to teach their use in secret in systems that anyone could learn, and some could master.
Samurai shows up to rape your daughter, draws his sword knowing peasant sword and martial training is forbidden by the emperor, and is immediately knocked on his ass then throttled to death. As has been the Ryukyu way for centuries.
It's actually a pretty solid concept.
>outside of forearms somewhat work as shields
>punching deals considerable damage by focusing it to a point
>flip around and you have a straight club
Adjust the concept and this shit is downright terrifying.
>fix a spike to the short end
>slightly widen and curve long end
Now it's an actual shield with a spear tip.
In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone.
Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
All this shit only serves the ends of enforcing low stakes authoritarian abuse.
Back alley beatings by overgrown highschoolers.
>In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone.
>Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
Dumb fuck. they need multiple tools for multiple scenarios. When police only have firearms they have a binary answer: shoot or not shoot. If a crowd gets ansy they can only shoot.
>Boston massacre
>Kent State
Both examples where soldiers had fire-arms and nothing else to control a crowd, and had to resort to firing to calm the crowd. Both resulted in low amount of actual deaths, but the outrages from them was extremely politically costly. If they had ran in with riot gear, beat them down, literally NO ONE would remember those two incidents.
massacre
The redcoats were not equipped properly at all. Not only were they not given clubs for a mere civil disturbance, they also were not given helmets.
>>Kent State
They only wore helmets at Kent State, no vests. Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland was even worse because the paratroopers only had vests, no helmets because they wore berets instead.
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>In any high risk scenario the cops would just shoot someone.
>Iv'e seen people argue it's stupid for cops to rely on even riot gear instead of guns because why risk it.
Dumb fuck. they need multiple tools for multiple scenarios. When police only have firearms they have a binary answer: shoot or not shoot. If a crowd gets ansy they can only shoot.
>Boston massacre
>Kent State
Both examples where soldiers had fire-arms and nothing else to control a crowd, and had to resort to firing to calm the crowd. Both resulted in low amount of actual deaths, but the outrages from them was extremely politically costly. If they had ran in with riot gear, beat them down, literally NO ONE would remember those two incidents.
massacre
>The redcoats were not equipped properly at all.
all they had to do was leave an innocent Black man alone and the whole thing would have been forgotten. This country was founded on defending Black people from tyranny.
>Kent state
lmao you are clueless that was rich trust fund babies shooting working class men and women for the crime of attending higher education. crowd control my ass, you bootlicking gay
>had to resort to firing to calm the crowd
they just had to
The options are fire, or do nothing and possibly let the crowd overwhelm you. Did you see the Turkish coup? A bunch of soldiers were given orders to hold various bridges, but they had no idea what was going on. Then angry violent crowds gathered, and started attacking, and a few soldiers got lynched because they didn't want to fire into the crowd.
How would you do it?
>Boston Massacre
They could've simply charged and beat the crowd with clubs. Even better if they wore helmets and breastplates as proto riot gear.
>Kent State
Probably only happened because some reporter shot a gun for some reason and the Guardsmen instantly turned around and fired because they thought it was a sniper. It would explain why some people in higher-floor buildings got shot.
WASTE THE MOTHERFUCKERS
>And personally, I was standing there saying, they're not going to shoot, they can't do that. If they are going to shoot, it's going to be blank.[37]
>Butler said that as the guardsmen formed in a kneeling position and pointed their rifles, "Everybody laughed, because, c'mon, you're not going to shoot us."
Epitome of fuck around, find out
>Epitome of fuck around, find out
They're so fucking retarded. A real eye opening moment was actually reading up more on the 60's and 70's hippie and protests movements rather than let the boomers tell their own stories. The story they tell is very self-congradulatory and is filled with tons of omissions. Nixon won landslide elections, was a very smart, capable guy and not the insane crazy person they portrayed him ass. The Vietnam was was a clusterfuck but more morally justifiable - and more akin to a Vietamese Civil War than anything. And hippies and students were idiots who deserved everything they got and then some.
Also hippies then and now are some of the most vile people ever. No wonder Manson fit in.
> The Vietnam was was a clusterfuck but more morally justifiable - and more akin to a Vietamese Civil War than anything.
It had become essentially a civil war, but there was still zero reason for American lives to be lost getting involved in an internal Vietnamese conflict. Intervening in that war made no sense, was a complete waste of life and money, and there’s no way to justify it aside from ad hoc excuses about the spread of communism (which never materialized because communists always eat each other, just look at the Sino-Soviet split or the Vietnamese and Chinese conflicts). And yeah Nixon received too much blame for it and Johnson too little.
>It had become essentially a civil war, but there was still zero reason for American lives to be lost getting involved in an internal Vietnamese conflict.
USA doesn't exist on mars, it exists in the world and they have interests. Namely that China and USSR suck, and they want allies against them. Vietnam is ideal as a bulwark against China. Irony - USA has ties to Vietnam, and the Vietamese economy is growing as well. They'd be best pals if it weren't that Vietnam is still officially communist, with a politburo without democracy. In practice, Vietnam would have everything it has now but better had the South won. They're wasting time on communism memes.
Ok Kissinger still a complete waste. It’s like people now explaining how we need to send billions to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or Ukraine. I am sick and tired of it and I feel that’s a patriotic opinion to hold, not a hippie one. We only started playing games on the world stage after WW2 after all. We can return to looking after our own interests first, rather than looking after those of NATO/UN/Britain/France/etc. and sending our men to die for their causes. South Vietnam was also an infamously corrupt state, and I don’t know if it really would have proven any better than what we ended up with. Maybe after enough aid we could’ve turned it into another South Korea, but knowing the Vietnamese and their tendency towards corruption I doubt it.
Yes I John Smith from Ohio Pradesh agree and I will be writing my Governor and Chief Minister and the American National Congress to stop sending our men to die for European nations
>They'd be best pals if it weren't that Vietnam is still officially communist
Vietnam wouldn't have been communist if the US had sided with them from the get-go instead of propping up France's desires to remain a colonial power.
Retarded meme. Ho Chi Minh was a commie long before muh Woodrow Wilson.
This is like saying "don't bother intervening in the Ukraine war, Russians will always eat each other in the end". NO, you have to intervene, because in the process of eating each other, they will destroy too much of the world.
Pull up a map of everywhere that has had Russian/Chinese-backed revolutions, uprisings or coups. Imagine all of them allied against NATO and/or turned into Cambodia-tier shitholes. One, it's a horrific loss of life and destruction of global resources; two, they might actually reach a critical mass and decide "fuck it, we should attack NATO"... and they might just win.
You’re absolutely ridiculous and I hope you start WW3 and have a nice day globohomo piece of shit
> Imagine all of them allied against NATO and/or turned into Cambodia-tier shitholes
Yeah “Imagine” they ally because it will never happen in a million and a half years.
>it will never happen
>what is the Warsaw Pact
The protesters where 100% right, the Vietnam war was evil, the cops where evil, the crowd achieved their goals in the end. Eat shit.
>shit opinion
>can't spell
Always
Oh, so you're a grammar Nazi too now?
Proudly.
They weren't cops lmao
same shit nerd, just a bunch of untrained losers.
Wind!
The neat thing about the tonfa is that it's a beat stick you can use to parry with in a way that's instinctually natural to humans.
Cops use them my man they are called Nightsticks/Batons.
All Okinawan weapons are fantastic in lore and use. The tonfa is exceptional at suppression. Which is why it's in use today at scale in policing. I always wanted to beat the shit out of someone with an fisherman's oar or eku. Just because it looks like it'd be a lot of fun if you were really well trained. It's like the polearm of bow staffs.
Just about every weapon coming out of Asia is some goofy bullshit. These are the same cultures who created numerous bullshido martial arts with zero practical use in fighting and students pretend their geriatric teacher has a magic field around him. It's all mythology. If you want to know which weapons have real use you need to look to Europe where wars have been just about interrupted.